Comments on: So What’s Our Plan? http://dimemag.com/2007/07/whats-the-plan/ Dime is your daily source for NBA News, NBA Trades, NBA Rumors, NBA Videos and Sneakers Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:57:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Austin Burton http://dimemag.com/2007/07/whats-the-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-4520 Austin Burton Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:01:19 +0000 http://dimemag.com/2007/07/02/whats-the-plan/#comment-4520 Let's see ... Al Thornton played 4 years of college. Thaddeus Young played one year. But of course you pass on Thornton because he's 23 and is closer to hitting his "ceiling," while Thad has more room to grow. I don't get that logic. In the three years that it takes Thaddeus to "learn the game," you could have gotten three quality years out of Thornton. Let’s see … Al Thornton played 4 years of college. Thaddeus Young played one year. But of course you pass on Thornton because he’s 23 and is closer to hitting his “ceiling,” while Thad has more room to grow. I don’t get that logic. In the three years that it takes Thaddeus to “learn the game,” you could have gotten three quality years out of Thornton.

]]> By: djKianoosh http://dimemag.com/2007/07/whats-the-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-4517 djKianoosh Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:29:19 +0000 http://dimemag.com/2007/07/02/whats-the-plan/#comment-4517 Iguodala might turn out to be a #1, but you're right, even he is a #2. Can Carney be a #3? How about Young? This is what the coach thinks of the Sixers lotter pick, according to the philly papers: --- Cheeks does not expect Young to dominate from the start. "He's only 19 - so young - and intangibles will come," Cheeks said. "At this point, he is trying to learn the game." --- Excuse me? He is trying to learn the game?!? The intangibles will come?! when, exactly? Aren't lottery picks supposed to be studs? Shouldn't they already have the intangibles? I'm tired of drafting guys who are learning the game. Dalembert is still learning the game. Can't we just get someone who already knows the game? Let's try that for a while and see how it turns out... Still, trades are what got the team into this hole. But trades won't get them out. They just need to let the old salaries come off the books and keep this core together long enough so they learn how to play with each other (I guess while they're learning how to play the game which they should have already learned... uhm, yeah..) Iguodala might turn out to be a #1, but you’re right, even he is a #2. Can Carney be a #3? How about Young? This is what the coach thinks of the Sixers lotter pick, according to the philly papers:
— Cheeks does not expect Young to dominate from the start.
“He’s only 19 – so young – and intangibles will come,” Cheeks said. “At this point, he is trying to learn the game.” —

Excuse me? He is trying to learn the game?!? The intangibles will come?! when, exactly? Aren’t lottery picks supposed to be studs? Shouldn’t they already have the intangibles? I’m tired of drafting guys who are learning the game. Dalembert is still learning the game. Can’t we just get someone who already knows the game? Let’s try that for a while and see how it turns out…

Still, trades are what got the team into this hole. But trades won’t get them out. They just need to let the old salaries come off the books and keep this core together long enough so they learn how to play with each other (I guess while they’re learning how to play the game which they should have already learned… uhm, yeah..)

]]> By: Cass http://dimemag.com/2007/07/whats-the-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-4500 Cass Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:10:24 +0000 http://dimemag.com/2007/07/02/whats-the-plan/#comment-4500 djKianoosh - you're totally right - we're still paying for Larry Brown the first time around (remember the contract he gave Greg Buckner???). you're also right that Iguodala was the only homerun pick we've made in recent memory, and I can't help but think he just fell into our laps in that draft. i'd hesitate to label him a star though. he'd probably be best as a 2nd or 3rd option don't you think? how do we get that star to Philly? i think we have to hope for some sign-and-trade magic to get a young star in a Sixers uni that we can build around. djKianoosh –

you’re totally right – we’re still paying for Larry Brown the first time around (remember the contract he gave Greg Buckner???).

you’re also right that Iguodala was the only homerun pick we’ve made in recent memory, and I can’t help but think he just fell into our laps in that draft. i’d hesitate to label him a star though. he’d probably be best as a 2nd or 3rd option don’t you think?

how do we get that star to Philly? i think we have to hope for some sign-and-trade magic to get a young star in a Sixers uni that we can build around.

]]> By: djKianoosh http://dimemag.com/2007/07/whats-the-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-4498 djKianoosh Mon, 02 Jul 2007 18:43:14 +0000 http://dimemag.com/2007/07/02/whats-the-plan/#comment-4498 I still think we're paying for the deals that Larry Brown and Billy King made with the 2000-1 team. Not just trades upon trades which got us deeper and deeper into this mess, but also all those huge contracts we kept giving out over those years. It's a shame that team had to go up against that monster Lakers squad. Any other year and those Sixers would have won the championship. ahhh, living in the past.. back to this year.. I have little to no faith in these selections. Let's be real. The only pick in the past few years that they made right was Iguodala. The other guys are just dreaming. Look at all the top teams in the League. They all have a trio of star players and a bunch of other role players. What do we have? 1 star player and a few role players. Where are the other stars? Do we have to wait for another contract year to get another star? I still think we’re paying for the deals that Larry Brown and Billy King made with the 2000-1 team. Not just trades upon trades which got us deeper and deeper into this mess, but also all those huge contracts we kept giving out over those years. It’s a shame that team had to go up against that monster Lakers squad. Any other year and those Sixers would have won the championship. ahhh, living in the past.. back to this year..

I have little to no faith in these selections. Let’s be real. The only pick in the past few years that they made right was Iguodala. The other guys are just dreaming. Look at all the top teams in the League. They all have a trio of star players and a bunch of other role players. What do we have? 1 star player and a few role players. Where are the other stars?

Do we have to wait for another contract year to get another star?

]]> By: kudabeen http://dimemag.com/2007/07/whats-the-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-4495 kudabeen Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:32:46 +0000 http://dimemag.com/2007/07/02/whats-the-plan/#comment-4495 On a side note... Rodney Carney is like that guy on the court with all the athletism in the world and some skill, but will never go hard (i.e. dunk in traffic and drive to the basket) for fear of getting injuried and lossing his Track or Soccer Scholarship... Rodney you are in the league. Make a choice imapact player or that guy who has all the tools but will never be winner (ala Vince Carter). I guess in the end they rather preserve there bodies and collect NBA money for 10-15 yrs than risk injury. Sensible and Smart financially, but still pu$$% in my book. Why not aspire to Be great! Do it wile yu have chance, don't go chasing Chips when you game is all but washed up, to preserve your sense of accomplishment. I respect a Barkley way more than a Gary Payton. Yes Payton held his own and one of the best to ever do it, but how much more success would he have had if he worked on his game early on?? Never was able to hit open shots/FT consistently to really open up his full game. Use your tools young Sixers... Just follow Andre Iguadola's lead. He wants to be great...He wants to be that guy. On a side note… Rodney Carney is like that guy on the court with all the athletism in the world and some skill, but will never go hard (i.e. dunk in traffic and drive to the basket) for fear of getting injuried and lossing his Track or Soccer Scholarship… Rodney you are in the league. Make a choice imapact player or that guy who has all the tools but will never be winner (ala Vince Carter).

I guess in the end they rather preserve there bodies and collect NBA money for 10-15 yrs than risk injury. Sensible and Smart financially, but still pu$$% in my book. Why not aspire to Be great! Do it wile yu have chance, don’t go chasing Chips when you game is all but washed up, to preserve your sense of accomplishment. I respect a Barkley way more than a Gary Payton. Yes Payton held his own and one of the best to ever do it, but how much more success would he have had if he worked on his game early on?? Never was able to hit open shots/FT consistently to really open up his full game.

Use your tools young Sixers… Just follow Andre Iguadola’s lead. He wants to be great…He wants to be that guy.

]]> By: kudabeen http://dimemag.com/2007/07/whats-the-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-4494 kudabeen Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:05:26 +0000 http://dimemag.com/2007/07/02/whats-the-plan/#comment-4494 Dalembert isn't our biggest problem. The problem is we simply refuse to bring in winners. I watch the Bulls, Bobcats take these guys who have won and knows what it means to put in a winning effort consistently, then I look at the Sixers and see hard working talented young men, but none of them have that winning pedigree. We don't have a Hard Hat guy in the Mark Jackson mold (not his body though). We lack a Heart Beat! For years this has been our probelm. We expected Allen to carry the team on all fronts. He is gone, now what. I love Iguadola. I think he will be an All-star this year. I like Thad. I think he will be able to score double digits this year given PT. Rodney Carney, where is he, what parts of his game is he working on. Same goes for Willie, Steven Hunter and Louis Williams. I don't even think Williams knows how to go about winning PT after what 3 years. He is getting beat out of minutes by Kevin Ollie after 3 years. That says a lot about him. If we get Yi or Noah and solid backup PG I'd be totally ellated. It's hard watching the Bobcats, Toronto, Orlando, Celtics, Bucks, Knicks and now Atlanta go after it and Vets and Winners to try to win, whenthe sixers are too anxious to be seen as genius, that they forget the reason why Collangello, Jerry West, Spurs Trio, Dumars, Paxson, Riley, etc are cosidered geniuses is because there teams are in the playoffs or contending. This happens because they get vets and Young Winners on their team. We just get these projects and good hard working Role Players and get sold this dream that they are going to blossom into game changers... Still waiting on Willie Green, Dalembert - Hughes come and gone, Speedy Claxton come and gone. Not to mention bad contracts and hasty buyouts disabling any meaningful trades happening. This season I'm looking forward to watching Andre take it to another level, Thad and Carney run the lanes, Wille step up and be that solid player on both ends for a full healthy season, Kyle show a bit more of his all around offensive moves, that don't involve more than 2 dribbles, Dalembert make a run at All-star reserve by default (JO hurt or traded, Shaq hurt, Emeka hurt...etc, but Zach Randolph and Al jefferson may snatch that spot even if Sam averages 12 12 and 3 his year), and I look forward seeing what will come of Louis Williams the Iverson Impersonator. Record Anyone? I think we are a 40-44 win team right now, I'm being very optimistic in Thinking Andre I. will grow into a All-star.  Don't wake me people... Dalembert isn’t our biggest problem. The problem is we simply refuse to bring in winners. I watch the Bulls, Bobcats take these guys who have won and knows what it means to put in a winning effort consistently, then I look at the Sixers and see hard working talented young men, but none of them have that winning pedigree. We don’t have a Hard Hat guy in the Mark Jackson mold (not his body though). We lack a Heart Beat! For years this has been our probelm. We expected Allen to carry the team on all fronts. He is gone, now what.

I love Iguadola. I think he will be an All-star this year. I like Thad. I think he will be able to score double digits this year given PT. Rodney Carney, where is he, what parts of his game is he working on. Same goes for Willie, Steven Hunter and Louis Williams. I don’t even think Williams knows how to go about winning PT after what 3 years. He is getting beat out of minutes by Kevin Ollie after 3 years. That says a lot about him. If we get Yi or Noah and solid backup PG I’d be totally ellated.

It’s hard watching the Bobcats, Toronto, Orlando, Celtics, Bucks, Knicks and now Atlanta go after it and Vets and Winners to try to win, whenthe sixers are too anxious to be seen as genius, that they forget the reason why Collangello, Jerry West, Spurs Trio, Dumars, Paxson, Riley, etc are cosidered geniuses is because there teams are in the playoffs or contending. This happens because they get vets and Young Winners on their team. We just get these projects and good hard working Role Players and get sold this dream that they are going to blossom into game changers… Still waiting on Willie Green, Dalembert – Hughes come and gone, Speedy Claxton come and gone. Not to mention bad contracts and hasty buyouts disabling any meaningful trades happening.

This season I’m looking forward to watching Andre take it to another level, Thad and Carney run the lanes, Wille step up and be that solid player on both ends for a full healthy season, Kyle show a bit more of his all around offensive moves, that don’t involve more than 2 dribbles, Dalembert make a run at All-star reserve by default (JO hurt or traded, Shaq hurt, Emeka hurt…etc, but Zach Randolph and Al jefferson may snatch that spot even if Sam averages 12 12 and 3 his year), and I look forward seeing what will come of Louis Williams the Iverson Impersonator.

Record Anyone? I think we are a 40-44 win team right now, I’m being very optimistic in Thinking Andre I. will grow into a All-star.  Don’t wake me people…

]]> By: Cass http://dimemag.com/2007/07/whats-the-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-4492 Cass Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:18:03 +0000 http://dimemag.com/2007/07/02/whats-the-plan/#comment-4492 Thanks Ice Cream Man ... haven't heard from you in a while. Thanks Ice Cream Man … haven’t heard from you in a while.

]]> By: Smith http://dimemag.com/2007/07/whats-the-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-4491 Smith Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:03:24 +0000 http://dimemag.com/2007/07/02/whats-the-plan/#comment-4491 Billy King and Pat Cassidy hav a lot in common. Overpaid, lacking the skills and knowledge to do their current job and neither could actually play the game. Billy King and Pat Cassidy hav a lot in common.

Overpaid, lacking the skills and knowledge to do their current job and neither could actually play the game.

]]> By: BOnAciertheLAW http://dimemag.com/2007/07/whats-the-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-4490 BOnAciertheLAW Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:00:38 +0000 http://dimemag.com/2007/07/02/whats-the-plan/#comment-4490 That's an informed opinion... If you take the AI trade and look at all the pieces, the deal looks a lot worse post-draft then it did before the selections were made. I am pretty much apathetic about every move they made... Moving up would have been the best bet. Oh wellz That’s an informed opinion… If you take the AI trade and look at all the pieces, the deal looks a lot worse post-draft then it did before the selections were made. I am pretty much apathetic about every move they made… Moving up would have been the best bet. Oh wellz

]]> By: Luke http://dimemag.com/2007/07/whats-the-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-4487 Luke Mon, 02 Jul 2007 15:29:33 +0000 http://dimemag.com/2007/07/02/whats-the-plan/#comment-4487 Fire billy king!! Fire billy king!!

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