The H.O.F. Watch - Ray Allen
Photo. Bootsy HollerEvery day for the next few weeks we’re gonna take one active NBA star with at least arguable Hall of Fame credentials and break down his chances of getting into the Springfield, Mass., hoops mecca. We’re looking at not just past accomplishments, but also how a player’s career realistically projects for the future. For a full explanation of the process, click here. Today’s candidate: Ray Allen.
RAY ALLEN (12th year, Celtics/Sonics/Bucks)
21.5 pts, 4.6 rebs, 3.9 asts, 1.3 stls per game
Why: If he isn’t the best pure shooter the game’s ever seen, he’s at least in the class photo. Ray has dropped 1,920 treys in his career, which is good for second all-time to Reggie Miller (2,560). And with four more good seasons, Ray could catch up to Reggie in that category. Ray’s 88.8 percent career clip at the free throw line is also in the Top 10 all-time. While his age (32) and health say he’s on the decline, the seven-time All-Star has actually posted career-highs in scoring average in the last two seasons, including a career-best 26.4 ppg last year. His job is to get buckets, but Ray’s rebounding, assist and steals numbers are good for a two-guard; at his peak he was a solid 24-5-5 guy who could get a couple steals a night as well. A championship or at least a Finals appearance in Boston would put the capper on what looks like a solid H.O.F. resume.
Why not: Not getting past the first round is one thing (read: T-Mac), but what about not even making the playoffs? In his 11 seasons, Ray’s teams have only been to the playoffs four times. In his five-year run with the Sonics, he only saw the postseason once. Even if he makes a deep run and wins a ‘chip with Boston, Ray has still never been the marquee guy on a championship-caliber team (the ‘01 Bucks would have gotten cracked in the Finals against the Lakers). As great as Ray has been, was he ever one of the three or four best players at his position in the League? Kobe, T-Mac, Wade, Vince Carter and Iverson have at one time or another all stood above Ray in the shooting-guard ranks.
Our call: IN
The H.O.F. Watch archives
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10/10 - Chris Webber
10/9 - Paul Pierce
10/5 - Jermaine O’Neal
10/4 - Gary Payton
10/3 - Tracy McGrady
October 12th, 2007 at 11:59 am
chris says:
Ummm…when has VC ever stood above Ray Allen in the shooting-guard ranks? VC’s career has been all downhill since he won the dunk contest.
October 12th, 2007 at 12:06 pm
Austin Burton says:
I’d say Vince getting All-Star starting nods every year (and Ray never starting) showed that at least the fans thought he was better than Ray.
October 12th, 2007 at 12:11 pm
Austin Burton says:
Also, the year that both Vince and Ray lost to A.I.’s Sixers in the playoffs, Vince averaged 27.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 3.9 apg, 1.5 spg, 1.1 bpg. Ray averaged 22 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 4.6 apg, 1.5 spg, 0.2 bpg. You could easily say Vince was better.
October 12th, 2007 at 12:19 pm
Triple Threat says:
Finally, a player to actually debate about, no disrespect to CB4, but he’s not HOF material right now.And yesterday, majority of the topic was about how big of a market T-dot was compared to other larger cities in the US.
On the other hand, Ray Allen, owner of the one of the best jump shots in the world, was part of small market teams his entire career, which could have played a role in him being inducted into the HOF. Playing in small cities such as, Milwaukee, Seattle, and now Boston, could hurt Ray Allens chances of making the HOF. I think if Allen was part of a larger Market in the start of his Career he would have been pimped out a bit more, maybe not the Extent of a player like Allen Iverson, but enought to get more respect from the media in the states and around the world.
With that being sain, much as I like Ray Allen’s game and the way shoots the ball, he will have a hard time getting in. As menetioned in the “Why not” section, it’s because he has A.I. Kobe, Wade, to compet with.
However, If was part of the HOF selection group, Ray Allen is in. The man can flat out shoot the ball, everyone can shoot the ball, but no better than Ray Allen.
October 12th, 2007 at 12:20 pm
Mike says:
Finally, a candidate that’s worth discussing about.
I think whether he makes it or not depends entirely on his next few years with Boston.
If the team makes deep runs in the playoffs and contend for a title, it can give him that chance to shine in the playoffs, which has been avoiding him all his career.
If the C’s end up winning a title and Allen hits some Horry-like big shots along the way, then I say he has a strong case to get to the Hall.
And I think its the same for KG as well.
These next couple of seasons will define their legacy and how they’re going to be remembered.
If Boston wins a title, KG can crack the top-10 all time discussion..
October 12th, 2007 at 12:23 pm
Triple Threat says:
I meant to say, No One Better than Ray Allen.
October 12th, 2007 at 12:33 pm
Triple Threat says:
wow I should check my spelling and sentences before I submit my comment.
October 12th, 2007 at 12:34 pm
Tom Toronto says:
Ray Allen is an absolute must for the HOF. His stats aren’t crazy high, but second all time in threes and top 10 all time in FT% says it all I think. In addition to that, he’s got to be one of the classiest, most respectable guys in the association today. I agree that his lack of rings or even conference titles hurt him, but I think character goes a very long way when people are considered for the Naismith Memorial. Even if Mr. Shuttlesworth was a big douchebag, they would still have to give him a serious look. Of all the candidates thus far, I think Ray Allen is the most certain to be IN.
October 12th, 2007 at 12:54 pm
nong mu says:
if the celtics have some deep playoff run in the next couple of years or a chip.Ray should be in ,plus image as a nice dude help too (ask dumars).
October 12th, 2007 at 1:09 pm
fiyaman says:
im gonna say OUT.. Ray is a one -dimensional player (3pt). granted he was very good at it I still dont think 1-dem plyrs should be in unless they prove they can lead a team, he hasnt do so(like DR said he was never the top-dog for championship team) also his stats dont stand out as much.. whats was his highest scoring game? how many double doubles has he had? how playoff games has he won? the only thing he is known for is shooting 3s( 2b honest anyone that shoots 10 threes a game should make at least 5) and he doesn even have that record.. If he’s in so is John Paxson, Craig Ehlo, Steve Kerr, Dell Curry, Dale Ellis, etc…
Dont even compare him to Reggie Miller..Miller has made a name for himself and deserve HOF…
If u dont already know Im a Knicks fans.. so other than MJ .. Miller is next on list of most Hated..
October 12th, 2007 at 1:11 pm
fiyaman says:
oops.. everyone dropped down 1.. Isiah is #1 on that list
October 12th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
Lucky Lester says:
Austin, I usually enjoy your take, but I have to say you gave up a turnover this time around. You gave me 5 more points a game in a playoff series for Vince Carter and some more “fan” votes for All Star games as a a reason Vince could be considered better than Ray. Please. Lets get this straight right now. Vince was the only thing shooting on the Toronto team, Ray was rocking with Sam and Big Dog. Shots aren’t easy to come by in that group. I’d be interested to see how many more shots per game Vince put up. Anyway, the kicker is the all star starting votes. When’s the last time you looked at a starting lineup in the All-Star game and said, “Yep, that’s who should be starting. Those are the guys that have had the “best” first half of the season.” Right.
I don’t thin Vince is getting enough credit on this site. He’s a good player, but I’d give Ray the nod over Vince for shooting guards because he’s actually a shooting guard. Vince will always be the more popular of the two, and how could he not be? HIs dunk contest put posters on the walls of many a house-hold, and the guy went to Carolina. People love those Tar Heels. But popularity aside, Ray is clutch and there are games where he’s unstoppable.
He’s been on a tough Sonics team over the past few years, but he’s legit.
Anyway, no offense Austin, but next time you’re going to give stats talking about why one guy is better than the next, you should probably leave out All Star Votes and PPG averaged in a similar playoff series.
October 12th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
girlybballluver says:
Honestly I can’t call it. Unfortunately I haven’t really seen Ray play. I know he can shoot, everyone knows that. But I don’t really know any other aspect of his game. I do agree though that having the second best 3 point shooting record, and top 10 FT percentage, are worth serious recognition and respect. Maybe I’ll get more of a chance to see him play this upcoming season.
P.S. I don’t think he has a shot at catching up to Reggie for the record.
October 12th, 2007 at 1:25 pm
Juanito says:
If Webber is out, Allen is definitely OUT as well. Nice shooter, draws the double team, mediocre actor…
But the telling story is his success (or lack thereof) in the postseason. I suppose if Boston makes a big push and wins a ’ship or 2 before Ray Ray retires, then probably IN, contingent upon how much of a role he plays…
October 12th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
JA says:
IN, no question.
Reasons:
-> Great career stats for a true SG (AI, Wade, Kobe, and T-Mac all have PG aspects to their games, so it’s tough to compare them).
-> Classiest guy in the L (interactions w/ Bruce Bowen aside).
-> He was Jesus Shuttlesworth (he balled w/ Denzel!)
Also, while I agree that playoff success can help someone with fringe stats get into the Hall (ex Robert Parish: 14.5ppg, 9.1rbg, 1.4apg, 0.76spg, 1.47bpg), the exclusion of playoff success should not necessarily keep a player out.
October 12th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
william says:
fiyaman, since when Ray become a one-dimensional player?
He entered the dunk contest once (CMIIW), he played part time PG position when he first came to Seattle, he averaged almost 6 assists and 5+ rebounds in Seattle,showing considerable rebounding and playmaking skill as well. Ray Allen could not be 6′5″, he isn’t much taller than a PG, but for him to rebound that well for his size and body type, that shows considerable athletic skill and knowhow. Just because all you see is the 3pt shooting highlights, it doesn’t mean that’s all he did.
he just gave Utah 54 points earlier this year. For a player who is never expected to post 10 assist or 10 rebounds, he did 18 double doubles for his career, 2 triple doubles, favors favorably against player with his body type (Richard Hamilton etc).
Saying Ray Allen 1 dimensional is like saying Dominique is one dimensional because all he did is dunk, Iverson one dimensional because all he does are crossovers.
October 12th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
Lucky Lester says:
I couldn’t agree more. Even though single players can drive hoops teams to post-season success - not winning Chips shouldn’t count against someone. If Ray would have played on that Celtics team with Parish, I’m sure he would have a Chip or two. Same deal if he ran with the Bulls, or hit threes for the Lakers. Dude played for Milwaukee and Seattle. Give a guy a break.
October 12th, 2007 at 1:57 pm
fiyaman says:
pt taken william
October 12th, 2007 at 1:59 pm
Austin Burton says:
Lester, my original point was that Vince was considered to be better than Ray, not necessarily that he actually was better. Personally I’m going to have a bias toward Ray because he played in Seattle, but I remember that when Vince was at his peak, the majority of basketball fans would have placed him ahead of Ray. When it comes to the HOF voters and they have to consider Ray’s place in history, Vince will be a memorable two-guard from that era who a lot of people consider to have been the better player. And when those voters look at stats and awards, they look at things like All-Star appearances (and starts) and scoring average.
October 12th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
fiyaman says:
i guess I’m more like girlybballluver I only seen him play a few times and all he does is shoot 3s , in highlights all they show r 3s.. but those stats u mentioned are good stats..
still I say OUT.. if he was all that good everyone would know about those stats.. he hasnt done anything to single himself from eveyone else.. 3s alone shouldnt get u to the Hall
October 12th, 2007 at 2:01 pm
fiyaman says:
has Ray every won the 3pt contest?
October 12th, 2007 at 2:15 pm
JA says:
Ray took the contest in 2001, and I think I remember him coming close a couple of other times.
October 12th, 2007 at 2:23 pm
Taliban says:
fiyaman…
Let’s repeat that again, “he hasn’t done anything to single himself from everyone else…3s alone shouldn’t get u to the Hall.”
Obviously I disagree, and here’s why:
- Yes, Ray is a great 3point shooter, averaging 2.4 3’s made per game. There are three seasons (’01-02 with the Bucks, ‘05-06 with the Sonics and ‘06-07 again in Seattle) in which he averaged 3 or more 3’s per game. When he hit 3.4 three’s per game in ‘05-06, he averaged 25.1 ppg. So on average he scored 10.2 points per game from downtown. That means that 60% of his points came from somewhere else. He does far more than shoot three’s.
- Second, I want to get back to where someone said that he’s not in the same conversation as Reggie Miller. The only way that argument holds water is if you’re referring to making clutch, game-winning shots. On a nightly basis, Ray put up more points per game (21.5 to 18.2) and Ray is a more accurate 3-point shooter by .002.
HOF!!!
October 12th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
Lucky Lester says:
Nice numbers taliban, and honestly, although he hasn’t done it on a big stage, Ray is a clutch shooter. Anyway, I don’t think he’s a lock for the HOF, but I’d vote him in.
October 12th, 2007 at 2:55 pm
frenchy says:
maybe he’ll get some pity votes cuz the HOF felt he was robbed by the academy when he was snubbed for best actor nod from his ground breaking performance in ‘He Got Game’
October 12th, 2007 at 2:56 pm
D-Lite says:
Good arguments I’d say yes Character puts him over the top, notwithstanding the good numbers. Don’t let the Smooth hype fool you, Most of the guys in this series were marketed above their on court ability. Ray Ray IN!
October 12th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
Struan Smith says:
i would have rather watched the 01 bucks play the lakers
sam i am, ray ray, and big dog would at least be fun to watch. That year they each put up over 20 a game. Top scoring 3some in the league that year.
October 12th, 2007 at 3:41 pm
rohin says:
jesus shuttlesworth … i rest my case … he is in
October 12th, 2007 at 3:48 pm
flyp says:
Unfortunately, fiyaman is a perfect example of what could happen to Ray Allen. If the voters only remember him for the clips shown of him during highlight reels, or the most eye-popping stats, all they’re gonna see are the 3’s. He doesn’t double/triple dip very often, but which SG’s do? Small-market teams = low exposure.
Hope it doesn’t happen that way. Hope Allen gets the nod.
October 12th, 2007 at 5:54 pm
doc says:
Ray-ray will get in if he keeps his production up. He is the definition of smooth on the court, he got a crazy handle to go with that j I remember seeing him cross plenty before sticking the j or going to dunk it so quick the other team didn’t put they hands up yet. That all star votes argument is bullshit because thats fans stuffing the boxes its a popularity contest.Magic had aids didnt play and started, Grant Hill was a starter like 3 years after he already fell off by the fans. Amare cant get a starting nod because all the chinese keep starting Yao slow ass.Tmac is always out the month before the all star game and thats his comeback game so its bullshit.
October 12th, 2007 at 6:04 pm
Jah says:
Right now, at THIS moment — I think Ray Allen is a strong “maybe.”
The 3-point accuracy and statistics alone are enough to make that call.
However, in a few more years — after he’s been the recipient of many a “kick-out” from KG and he tops Reggie Miller’s record — then a definitive “YES.”
October 12th, 2007 at 7:20 pm
b-rad says:
Based on his career in Milwaukee/Seattle, he’s out. He has 3 years to prove that he can be an important player on a top-tier team with Boston. If he can do that, he’s in…maybe. 5 years after Ray Allen retires, is anyone really going to remember him as a GREAT player, or just a good player?
October 12th, 2007 at 8:41 pm
bb says:
OUT!!! Part of being a HOF player is being a winner and leader. Hasn’t done either of those.
October 12th, 2007 at 8:46 pm
b-rad says:
If we’re going to start giving out spots based on one particular skill, in this case 3 point shooting, and not the overall contribution to their team/league, does this mean that Mark Eaton is also a strong contender to make the HOF?
October 13th, 2007 at 10:04 am
Russ says:
as posted numerous times earlier in the page….ray’s game is well beyond ‘one particular skill’. you do not average 26 a game on ‘one particular skill’, nor do you average nearly 20ppg when you are on the same team and sam cassell and glenn robinson in their primes while only possessing ‘one particular skill’.
please know more about what you are talking about besides what you see on sportcenter…it makes you look foolish.
October 13th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
Bryan says:
He’s only 640 off from reggie, 160 threes in 4 years will tie him…definitley acheivable since he had 165, 269, and 209 in his lst 3 seasons
October 13th, 2007 at 8:35 pm
bb says:
Russ, do you remember the Showtime Lakers? Byron Scott avg close to 20+ a game while on a championship team with Magic, Worthy and Kareem. Does that mean Scott should be in the HOF too?
October 13th, 2007 at 10:49 pm
bb says:
to add he actually avg. 21.7 one year and than 19.6 the next on championship teams. I guess he should be in the HoF as well.
October 14th, 2007 at 2:42 am
Triple Threat says:
No BB, Byron Scott shouldn’t get the nod because he rolled with Magic and Kareem. Johnson made Scott look pretty damn good for a few years. If Ray Allen had a chance to play with players like Magic Johnson early in his career, he would have past Reggie Miller for the most 3 pointers made.
October 14th, 2007 at 12:38 pm
Al says:
No question Ray is in.
Wasnt Ray the leader of the Bucks wen they bumped T-mac in the first round(remember him bangin it on T-Macs head late in one of those games)? Wasnt Ray the leader of the Sonics When they had that tough series (and 50+ win season) against the Spurs a few years ago? Who said he didnt get out the first round like Tmac? And in no way is he “just a 3 point shooter.”
October 14th, 2007 at 12:40 pm
Al says:
Cant put Wade in the same era as Ray
October 15th, 2007 at 11:48 am
2 Easy says:
OOOO Dime good job a worthy candidate. Ray Allen aka Jesus Shuttlesworth. Now throughout this series Ive come to the realization that not just bein a great player gets u into the hall, its how ur perceived and Ray Allen is perceived as one of the classiest dudes to ever play, Bruce Bowen incident aside (That dude could make Gahndi throw a punch) That being said I agree that Vince and other 2 guards have overshadowed him but the one thing some of them lack that I believe he has is consistency. Jesus has consistently been productive year in year out and with the upcomin title run on everyones mind he may just be a lock in the years to come. My call IN mainly cause I dont believe u could have a HOF without Ray forgettable/overlooked as he may be. But this raises a good question, does that mean Vince is good enough for the Hall? Numbers wise he’s not far from Ray, and hes has some post season sucess. Hmmm I think his “not tryin” years will hurt him but iunno
October 15th, 2007 at 3:39 pm
Russ says:
BB,
Magic, Kareem, and Worthy also happen to be 3 HOF’s and top 50 players of all time. Glenn Robinson and Sam Cassell are not. It’s easier to get open looks with better players around you, provided those guys aren’t looking to chuck shots all over the place. Luckily they played in karls system and there were enough balls to go around. Worthy and Magic weren’t gunners like Sam and Big Dogg. Sam is more of a scoring guard, while magic is top 3 all time in assists I believe.
And maybe byron is a bit underrated after being overshadowed by all time greats like he was. I’m not saying all of fame, but dude could play ball.
October 15th, 2007 at 6:15 pm
Russ says:
BB,
In addition, Byron’s 21.6 the year in question was a career year, he never saw another season of 20ppg before or after that. In fact, his scoring average went DOWN every year after that for the rest of his career…while ray’s has essentially gone UP every year after those years of playing with sam i am and big dog. So doing it for ONE season isn’t really that impressive. Kareems career was also about over at that point, as he only average 14ppg that same year in question. I’ll be honest and not remember if kareem still got double teamed, but that certaintly helps a jumpshooter in terms of getting open shots. Magic’s 12.6 apg didn’t hurt either i’m sure. Not to mention that the 80’s were a high scoring era and teams haven’t really seen scoring totals like that since.
October 16th, 2007 at 12:17 pm
Ian says:
fiyaman
im with u ray is out
even if he passes reggie hes still a maybe
and for the guy who compared them please reggie is in for sure he didnt win a title but he was always in the conference finals
the one constant with the bulls knick sixers magic pistons finals appearances was reggie in the conference finals
oh btw lets not forget the greatest 3pt clutch shooter EVER
when has ray allen been better than carter ????
allen like tmac like kg still maybe
October 16th, 2007 at 1:05 pm
Kudabeen says:
Just want to add that Ray has hit plenty of pivotal shots and has put daggers in the hearts of fans with his play. The difference with Him and Reggie is Ray never had the chance to do it against Jordan’s Bulls or the Knicks. Those are about the biggest stages for any player to shine on. Ask yourself, why do we remember Stacey King? Would John Starks be revered as much if he played in Milwaukee or Seattle, because he sure as hell wasn’t better than Ray Allen?
Ray has the total package offensively and he’s not a punk on D. He doesn’t lock anyone down, but he is accountable. I’ve watched him chase and harass Iverson and abuse him on the other end. Ray is a competitor, but I think we forget that because of where he has played. How many could be game winners go unaccounted for because Big Dogg couldn’t stop his man. Just think about Ray in the series vs the Sixers, Hornets. Think about Ray in that game after Vince was talking trash and Ray played against Utah and He was headhunting. He tried three different times to dunk on Utah’s whole team. Ray isn’t afraid to speak his mind and then go on the court and man up (i.e His Kobe “beef”, Vince “beef”, etc.) Did Reggie have Rays Athleticism and Ball handling? No. Reggie is more one dimensional than Ray, granted that one dimension as utterly ridiculous.
I just look at the player and not his teams. Ray did elevate his teams. That Sonic’s team didn’t have any business getting to the playoffs, but he got them there. If you remember Ray played well in the playoffs in 05 32ppg 5apg 4.6rpg and 2spg in the first round. Reshard and crew fell back (with the exception of Jerome James playing $$ ball and Flip Murray having making sparks). Spurs beat them on the way to the finals. Ray had a busted ankle in the Spurs series and Bruce Bown on him. That was a great run for the sonics and Ray dragged them there. They were a 3 seed that year 04-05! Over the Mavs, Houston, Denver, Sac-town and Memphis who all had arguably more talent. Check it out. Ray was a beast getting them there. No one had the Sonics being that good winning 52 games.
http://www.nba.com/playoffs2005/series_seasac.html
My point Ray is a competitor and an HOF baller, not just a HOF shooter. Handles, Athleticism, Tenacity, Professionalism, all bundled with a Elite shooting stroke. Crazy. In for sure…
October 17th, 2007 at 3:21 am
Knickhopeful says:
Agree with you Kudabeen, but don hate on John Starks. We was once a good player and would have the highlights because of his streaky shooting regardless of where he played (but that’s about it).
October 18th, 2007 at 6:46 am
Dan says:
Lifelong Bucks fanatic. I’d love to see Ray get in the HOF, and believe he will someday, as he will retire as the all-time 3pg leader, but in comparison to Sidney Moncrief, who is still being denied the HOF, he can’t hold his jockstrap as an all-around player. Sidney was legitimately one of the best 5-7 players in the world for a stretch of seasons and still can’t get in.
October 18th, 2007 at 3:11 pm
scott says:
Ray’s definately in. He has made the second most treys ever, and he still has plenty of time to break reggie’s record. A few comments are comparing him to Vince and the playoffs that they both played the sixers, but don’t forget his playoff run with seattle. He carried the team on his back and completely embarrassed the kings, along with pushing the spurs further than any other team in the playoffs could, despite number 2 scorer rashard lewis being out with an injury for the series. the suns couldn’t come close to matching the spurs the following round despite their numerous talents. Even without a championship I’d say he’s a shoe in. you can have #1 or #2 trey shooter ever out of H.O.F.
November 4th, 2007 at 12:44 am
billy says:
i agree this is a good to debate,
it is hard to decide, the way the shoot the ball is a standard, it is textbook. ray allen + killer instinct = reggie miller.
if he can get a ring in boston, i would vote in
November 13th, 2007 at 9:17 pm
Nick says:
How can people say he is one dimensional? If any of you would watch him, you would see what a good ball handler he is and how he is arguably the best SG in the game because of his efficiency. Also, when he wants to drive, he is very good. He is on a pace to shatter Reggie Miller’s 3point record. Ray is one of the smoothest players in the game, and should be a lock for the HOF.
November 27th, 2007 at 6:11 pm
steve says:
The guy that said Ray allen is one-dimensional has definitely never seen him play the game.
January 14th, 2008 at 1:56 am
Bizil says:
Ray Allen and the Hall of Fame? If definetly merits debate. Off of individual stats alone he deserves some consideration. He’s averaged over twenty points for his career and as stated earlier should replace Reggie as the all time three pointer leader. He’s in the top ten all time in FT% as well. He doesn’t have a ring yet but he has a great 5-7 window to win a title in Boston. However in my mind Ray after Larry Bird is the most complete pure shooter the game has ever seen. Ray can run the point, can slash to the rack, and gets pretty good rebound numbers given his size. Ray also stands out in the golden era of two guards. Kobe, AI, T-Mac, Vince, Wade, Pierce, and Ray Allen are all HOF caliber. The only two locks out of that group that are 1st ballot are Kobe and AI. Wade needs more years, and the rest just need a ring and to pad the stats to get in.
February 19th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Simon says:
It’s the competition factor. Ray’s one of my favorites to watch, plays the game right, hard, and smooth. His release is a basketball pleasure. And he’s shown that he will hit big shots, which has been true for Boston all year. He may end up with the 3s record, which would help a lot.
But you can’t put every all-star in the HOF. And Kobe and AI are IN, and Pierce and KG are IN, and I think Ray may get caught up on the fringe of too many greats. Kinda like Grant Hill. He’s one of the very-very-goods, but maybe not an all-time great.
May 10th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Luke says:
If Ray Allen is one dimensional what the hell is reggie miller
check the stats, Ray Allen devours reggie in every category
May 11th, 2008 at 4:33 am
svigi says:
Man, how can people say that Ray is one dimensional? Do they know anything about basketball or just like to write bullsh..?
June 18th, 2008 at 10:04 am
mryangxiao says:
Ray won the title today. So any more question about his in?
June 21st, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Alex says:
Hopefully people had a chance to see Ray in the finals. He was brilliant (aside from a mediocre game 5 when his kid was in the hospital). Paul Pierce may have been the MVP, but Ray-Ray was a close second. In addition to setting and tying some 3pter records, Ray made several patented drives to the hoop. I loved that driving lefty lay-up
at the end of Game 4! Let’s face it: just like Jesus S., “He Got Game”, so he is gong to the Hall of Fame’
June 24th, 2008 at 12:26 am
baller23 says:
smoothest jumpshot since the basketball was invented. should have been finals mvp he was most consistent. hes clutch as hell too. always plays with heart definitely in
January 17th, 2009 at 7:31 am
lamoni says:
I WOULDNT SAY SMOOTHEST jumpshot, since bball was invented you cant forget about Reggie Miller
but anyway Ray Allen is not HOF material yet hes legendary no doubt but hes not that great
April 21st, 2009 at 2:38 am
DJL says:
is this a joke… come on, how could anyone possibly leave out Ray Ray, the guy withthe prettiest shot in the league? Definite hall of famer!