Comments on: H.O.F. Watch – Amare Stoudemire

By: TheFallen

TheFallen — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:46:42 +0000

Amare is in? Okay well I guess the MVP’s he has justifies that… wait no MVP’s? That’s okay because he still has those championship rings… no? Really? Well then theres always his stats (purely offensive, because he’s garbage on defense)… you know which he has accumulated playing with some pretty solid point guards over his career, a terrific team (Amare, Nash, and Marion are as good as any trio save Boston, even then the case can be made), and a coach who praises the style of ball that allows him about a thousand more shots a game than the average star on a team.

Get real. Get consistent. With every one of these ridiculous “IN’s” your slapping the players that didn’t make your list right in the face (I think Dirk’s name has been mentioned more times than really needs justification at this point). It’s fine if you think in the end Amare is going to have a solid career (he’s gonna need more than 20-10 though, hell Z-Bo and Jermaine put up those numbers too). But he hasn’t done a damn thing yet to make me think he’s worthy of the hall. I’d put D12 ahead of him even, at least he’s the leader of his team.

By: Sacto J

Sacto J — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:53:16 +0000

Someone mentioned Brand and Dirkface, I thought we were talking about Amare. Amare has a very legitiamate chance to be an HOFer. He will need to produce wthout Nash (not that he hasn’t already,) and it wouldn’t hurt if he won a chip. To do what he did at the same age as when Kemp was just starting in the league is crazy, and FYI, Kemp wasn’t just a dunker. The man changed games with his defense, both as a weak side shot blocker and man on man (total recall ~ I watched Kemp swat a shot, and then swat it again away from the other team and into the 5th row, all while still in the air. Leapers!) Amare has many years left even if the knee will never be 100% again. They call him STAT for a reason, and dude lives up to that nick regularly. The only other C I would take before Amare would be Tim Duncan, and he’s certainly in. Give him 5 more years, and there’ll be no question…….

By: Chris

Chris — Fri, 23 Nov 2007 23:10:37 +0000

Bron42: the nash argument is only part of my point, you make it seem like that’s my only case. yes they compliment each other very well, without amare or marion, nash cant put up that much assists.

but lets face it, amare is an athletic/explosive player. he’s young and already got knee problems. once that goes away, his offense will be more limited than it is now(his defense is even worse).

oh and your response:

“The fact that he crumbs and hasn’t really proven that he is an elite, well rounded, take over the big game type, win it by myself if it have to player is why dirk is out”

kinda applies to amare too dont you think? at least dirk has an mvp and made it to the finals, choke or not.

By: dagwaller

dagwaller — Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:51:39 +0000

Why are we talking about Dirk and Nash again? Jesus. I love both of those guys, but they don’t have anything to do with this conversation. Also, I’m sure that whoever did the write-ups for this feature realizes that a lot, if not most, of the readers/posters think that Dirk deserves to be in “if that guy is in”, but I don’t see anyone going back and changing it on our say so.

Anyway, Amare isn’t going to make it. Obviously, if he keeps doing what he’s doing now, he’ll make it, just like any young superstar. Nash concerns aside, though, Amare is only good because of his athleticism. He’s added a decent jump shot since his “younger years”, but as has already been pointed out, he hasn’t shown any interest in defense or any kind of post moves. Most other young guys that lean on their athleticism still have a chance at the HOF based on that athleticism (and the career that it enables), but since he’s already gotten injured, I can’t see him getting any BETTER in that department. Certainly not to HOF status.

Perennial all-star? Yes. All-NBA teamer? Probably a couple more times at least. But HOF? Based on 5 great years, followed by what will probably be a decline? I don’t think so. I hope he does, though, because I love watching him and the Suns play…

By: Ian

Ian — Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:11:37 +0000

celts comon man give brand nash and marion and all phoenix does is improve at least dfensively

amare killed timmy by design btw

By: Celts Fan

Celts Fan — Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:52:49 +0000

I think Dirk’s in when all’s said and done (I like the Mavs to get a ring sometime w/in the next few years to solidify Dirk’s place, and if they choke and don’t get there and it’s on Dirk AGAIN – yes, the ’06 Finals is on his shoulders, if you’re a 90% ft shooter and miss 2 in the last minutes of close games, it falls on you, not the bike he beat up – then I’d probably still say yes, but it’d be much closer) but Amare’s numbers project out better and longer. When Amare first came into the league, he was basically Dwight Howard without the D or boards (as in, his range consisted of dunks and… dunks) but he absolutely killed Timmy (best player in the NBA in my opinion, btw, Kobe’s the only other guy you can argue) in the playoffs a few years ago (37ppg in that series if I remember right.) When he got hurt, he developed that 15 foot jumper which makes him deadly now. I don’t think Phoenix will ever win a ring (that style doesn’t hold up in the playoffs and their awesome ownership group keeps giving away draft picks, something that should lead to an all-out boycott of the team when you do that w/ a legit title contender!) but if he can stay healthy and play another 10-12 years, how do you keep him out? Ya, he needs to get better on D and could put out a little more effort on the boards, but dude’s a beast.

And any of you saying Elton Brand is in over Amare, give it a break. His teams always suck. He’s nice and all, but someone’s gonna put up numbers on every team. The true test of how good a player is is can he take said team, put them on his back, and go somewhere. Elton hasn’t done that. Sorry, but he’s out til he gets his team somewhere in May, not just put up numbers in December…

By: DOC

DOC — Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:58:38 +0000

give me dirk over amare for now but the dudes a beast and he might get in one day if he keeps his stats up.

By: Ian

Ian — Thu, 22 Nov 2007 21:53:59 +0000

bron
doesnt matter what u put about dirk
hes ahead of amare for the hall
and dime puts out for dirk and in for amare ?? please brand is a better player than amare and u say he dominant did u see him turn around the clippers

btw who is the leader of the mavs?

By: karan

karan — Thu, 22 Nov 2007 08:55:26 +0000

stockton made malone better.
so does that mean malone is out?

By: skywarp

skywarp — Thu, 22 Nov 2007 07:10:25 +0000

nash does make amare beter bat so what?.. that doesnt mean he doesnt have skill nash jus add a litlle more weapon for amare to utilize… but amare also helps nash also it gives nash another weapon to use to.. so its no 1 sided deal so it shouldnt ba use against him?… HOF is not who is better some times its just a popularity vote so 4 people saying brand is better than amare maybe he is but amare is more popular.. and thats a FACT so AMARE is IN!