Comments on: H.O.F. Watch – Grant Hill

By: hb

hb — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 07:42:08 +0000

Lou Spliff says: “And on a less sarcastic note, is college career factored into HOF?”

Bron42 says:”question for most of youthen. if you have an amazing college career ala jayson williams, and then suck when your a pro, does your college career alone get you in? cuz then wouldn’t penny and a few other guys be in too? ”

Do you guys ever heard a guy name Bob Houbergs? five less-than-stellar NBA seasons. avaraged less than 10 ppg, never be an All-Star, never selected to All NBA Team. And he’s an HOF (inducted as player on 1992).

Meanwhile, we got Max Zaslofky (4 straight All BAA/NBA FIRST Team), Larry Foust (8 time all-Stars), Dennis Johnson (3 NBA Championships + 1980 Finals MVP), Adrian Dantley, Bernard King, Spencer Haywood, and Artis Gilmore still OUT of Hall Of Fame.

Even try to think why?

By: Ian

Ian — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 07:18:05 +0000

btw

dag u made a good point about the bron “One star suffering alongside weak teammates is more impressive than a star among stars,” which to me is the other way around is more impressive to be good among stars than alone.

By: Ian

Ian — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 07:12:41 +0000

dagwaller u idiot
someone said that im a post im just saying what u posted

again so u can read
SOMEONE ELSE SAID THAT
my point was that jr has the numbers hill does not

By: dagwaller

dagwaller — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 22:29:48 +0000

Ian, I don’t understand – you’re saying that griffey’s the grant hill of baseball when Grant doesn’t have anything close to the HOF resume in terms of pre-injury numbers that Griffey does? Don’t be stupid.

By: Ian

Ian — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 08:09:10 +0000

when was kemp considered the best pf in the league????????? i missed that season

didnt that thing go from malone to duncan and is still there

and the griffey is the grant hill of baseball please dont be stupid griffey has HOF numbers and some hrs to spare
hill needs a ring

By: dagwaller

dagwaller — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 00:23:55 +0000

Main gist of that post pointed at Dime, not Bron

By: dagwaller

dagwaller — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 23:40:52 +0000

I like Hill, but I really think that his injuries are going to keep him out. There are a lot of players throughout the modern (i.e., Hall of Fame) era of sport that have been brilliant for the first few years of their career, only to be cut down by injuries. These players are fun to talk about, but unless their amateur careers were out of this world (Walton), they’re just fun to speculate upon (like this article). Hill is closer to Penny and, outside of his sport, Bo Jackson, than he is to Ken Griffey or Walton.

First, consider that Bill Walton won two chips, one of which in a starring role. Grant Hill was great in college, but Walton is considered one of the best ever. Furthermore, Walton was the NBA MVP and a Finals MVP – do your homework before you start comparing the two players.

Also, Griffey played a lot longer before he got injured, making possible the huge CAREER numbers he’s made.

In other words, before Walton and Griffey got injured, they made a huge mark on their sport. Their numbers and careers were already well established before they got hurt. Penny, Bo and Grant were all great BEFORE they got injured, but what they could have been is just speculation.

BTW, Bron, Dirk out, but Grant in…hm. Hm. On the strength of Grant’s first few years? Plus college? Let’s put Grant’s college and Dirk’s international careers aside. Unless you’re gonna stick by your, “One star suffering alongside weak teammates is more impressive than a star among stars,” argument. In which case Dirk would win in their pre-NBA careers, because Grant went to one of the best bball colleges around, being surrounded by future NBAers, while Dirk was teamed with…well, if you can name another German NBAer playing at the same time as Dirk, I’ll be impressed.

Meanwhile, their NBA careers aren’t even close. Grant has been to how many Finals? How many conference finals? Has won how many league MVPs?

Numbers for the first 4 years of their career:
GH: 21 pts, 8 rb, 6.5 as, .7 bl, 1.6 st 4 playoff years
DN: 18.7 pts, 7.7 rb, 2 as, 1 bl, .9 st 2 playoff years

Comparable. The last 4 years?

GH: 16.4 pts, 4.6 rb, 2.9 as, .4 bl, 1.15 st 1 playoff
DN: 24.77 pts, 9.1 rb, 3 as, 1.2 bl, 1 st 4 playoffs

That’s not even counting the SEASON Hill missed due to injury. Some (Bron) would say that missing so much time to injury would MAKE YOU SOFT, and apparently, that hurts your HOF candidacy.

In the playoffs, Dirk’s worst playoff series (last year) was still only a few ppg worse than Grant’s best. Dirk choking still important to you, Bron? Later

By: Sacto J

Sacto J — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:47:05 +0000

Hill is not a player I would build a franchise around, though he would be in my top 2 picks after my franchise player. The guy is solid, but I agree the production has not been there, all excuses aside. If he contributes heavily this year and the suns win a chip, he plays another year or two and continues to contribute, then without a doubt….

By: Drew

Drew — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:16:39 +0000

Hes in and Dirk is out?!?!?!?!?!

By: Dan

Dan — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:10:20 +0000

I’d say out, but Bill Walton is really a fair comparison. Dominated in college and early pro career, then got really injured for a long time, but hung around anyways. If Walton’s in, then I think Hill has a fair argument (although Walton led the Blazers to a title and got another ring with the Celts later). On the other hand, I still think there are better players, less celebrated perhaps, who aren’t in the hof (i.e. Sidney Moncrief).