Smack / Dec 21, 2007 / 7:09 am

Ride of Chucky

By Dime Magazine

Apparently George Karl has this thing where he doesn’t go to his go-to guys in clutch situations. In overtime and double-OT against the Rockets last night, Karl regularly ran plays for everyone but Carmelo Anthony (37 pts) and Allen Iverson (36 pts) when Denver needed a bucket. On the final play, down one with 4.5 seconds left in the second overtime, the inbounds went to Anthony Carter, who did like Chauncey Billups against the C’s the other night and worked Bonzi Wells with a pump-fake before hitting a 15-footer with 0.8 remaining that proved to be the game-winner … A couple of possessions earlier, down by one point, the Nuggets ran a two-man game with Ed Najera and Chucky Atkins — A.I. and Carmelo never even touched the ball — which led to Atkins hitting a pull-up jumper. And it looked like Najera had the green light to create his own shot against Yao, but he had nothing and gave it up to Atkins. The two All-Stars were decoys the whole time … One play that wasn’t designed for a role player came with the scored tied late in the first overtime. Iverson airballed a jumper and the ball went back out to Chucky (playing his first game of the year), who bricked a three with a few too many seconds left on the shot clock. On the ensuing timeout, no one on the Denver bench sat within two seats of Chucky. Coming out of the timeout, he was replaced by Carter … Karl did give Iverson the rock for the last shot of the first overtime, but A.I. missed a jumper. Overall, though, it seemed like when it mattered most, Iverson and especially Carmelo were out of the picture offensively. Although partial credit has to go to guys like Shane Battier for denying them the ball … Meanwhile, with T-Mac (knee) out of action, Rick Adelman continually put the ball in Yao’s hands in crunch-time. In the first OT it didn’t work, as Yao had the ball poked away by Marcus Camby (18 rebs, 6 blks, 2 pts) with the shot clock running down and Skip ended up trying a left-handed version of Corey Maggette’s half-court heave from last weekend. In the second overtime, Yao (26 pts, 19 rebs) had Najera posted up, but despite having something like a 10-inch height advantage, went away from the basket. He got bailed out by a foul call on his fadeaway jumper, though, and stuck both free throws (”Nothing but the bottom of the floor,” said Doug Collins) to set up Carter’s game-winner … We’ve gotten on Yao for his conditioning before, but we have to give him credit for last night: 51 minutes in the Rocky Mountain air being harrassed by the Defensive Player of the Year is no small task … The NBA’s most intriguing 1-on-1 rivalry played out another chapter yesterday when Kobe showed up in LeBron’s building. On paper, we would have taken the Lakers beforehand: Whether or not Kobe’s groin injury slowed him down (he had 32 against the Clips and 21 against Chicago while playing hurt), Andrew Bynum, Lamar Odom and Sasha Vujacic have all been playing well, as opposed to Cleveland’s usual ‘Bron-and-Phony one-man show; the supporting cast looked truly awful against the Knicks the other day. But this time The Others did enough, and the Cavs got the win … LeBron (33 pts, 10 rebs, 5 asts) and Kobe (21 pts, 5 rebs, 5 asts) guarded each other in the critical moments, and ‘Bron kept Mamba in check on his end. Kobe had a couple looks while being defended by LeBron that could have tied it or gave L.A. the lead, but missed, and the rest of the Lakers couldn’t make a shot when they had to late in the fourth … Anderson Varejao played like he wanted to earn the money he held out for, putting up 11 points and 15 boards. A few handfuls of games like that and maybe the Cleveland fans will start to like him again … OK, Rashard, get it in! They payin’ you enough … And down in Miami, what was shaping up to be the Nap-Inducing Game of the Night (Heat vs. Nets) ended up being entertaining down the stretch. With 10 seconds left in the fourth, Vince (31 pts) knocked down a three to put Jersey up by two. On Miami’s possession, Udonis Haslem got it around the elbow, bobbled it for a sec, then hit a jumper over J-Kidd to tie it at the buzzer. In the overtime, the Nets grabbed the lead via their usually-sorry front line (Josh Boone and Malik Allen this time) and held on … D-Wade has got to be frustrated with this team; how long before he makes some noise publicly? He put up 41 points, 5 boards, 6 dimes, 3 steals and 3 blocks yesterday — really not much else he could have done — and all for nothing. Everyone talks about LeBron, but keep an eye on Flash possibly bouncing for another team when the opportunity presents itself, because the situation in South Beach isn’t looking good for the near future. And of course the recent loss of Alonzo Mourning doesn’t help matters … Kidd got the hard two-thirds of a triple-double (11 rebs, 10 asts), but managed just 5 points … We’re out like Camby and Kidd’s buckets …

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96 Responses to “Ride of Chucky”

  1. December 21st, 2007 at 7:23 am

    Str8baller says:

    FIRST BITCHEZZZZZZZZZZZ

  2. December 21st, 2007 at 7:47 am

    Str8baller says:

    I can’t help it - I’m just so GAY

  3. December 21st, 2007 at 7:56 am

    smity says:

    i wish for his sake yao woud have gotten mad at his teamates earlier in his career. then he would have been swayed the opinions of all his haters (lookin at you bron) and along with all the people that are high on him one second then frustrated with him the next (lookin at me smity…wait a minute…) but i hope he keeps it up. i didnt watch all of the lakers game last night but lamar looked like he couldnt be stopped. He looked like he’s accepted the fact that he’s the second best on that team and that he can get his easily to help the team win…so that was good to see…you all hear that? i think i hear some bulls coming…

  4. December 21st, 2007 at 8:00 am

    Str8baller says:

    Str8baller #2… stop hatin and get your own name. That’s gay. punk ass. if you don’t have shit else to do, go get a life.

  5. December 21st, 2007 at 8:03 am

    Str8baller says:

    I guess you said it - GET A LIFE gayballer

  6. December 21st, 2007 at 8:04 am

    YOUNGFED says:

    I’m kinda confused now, could it be Yao just might be better than Howard? Yao is really trying to prove he is more atheletic than most may think. He’s been putting a show with T-mac down. The kid may be the truth. After he did just get the best out of the Yao vs. Howard match-up. Also it looks like Wade is back forget flash theres a new superman in Miami. I might have to redo my NBA top 5 list. Here we go.

    1.) Kobe
    2.) Lebron
    3.) Duncan
    4.) Garnett
    5.) Wade/Iverson (they both have been killin’)

    I’m out like the haters soon will be. (LOL)

  7. December 21st, 2007 at 8:04 am

    JC says:

    George Karl dodged a real bullet since Chucky hit that shot. I mean, I thought the benefit of having multiple all-stars was that in clutch situations, teams wouldn’t be able to simply clamp down on the key guy (Lebron). You can’t double Melo and AI, so one of them should still get the ball.

    D-Wade would look great in a Bulls jersey…

  8. December 21st, 2007 at 8:10 am

    Str8baller says:

    you wish I was gay so that way I’d be the 2nd gay dude on this website, right bitch? but no… not gay. far from it.. so from now on… FAKE STR8BALLER… you have the right to say first everyday, because you’re truly the FIRST AND ONLY homo here.

  9. December 21st, 2007 at 8:17 am

    Str8baller says:

    and another thing FAKE STR8BALLER, I haven’t had more than two guys at once in years - so therefore I am Un-Gay. punk ass

  10. December 21st, 2007 at 8:20 am

    sick of it says:

    Lets keep this site about basketball fellas. Basketball. If you wanna talk about something, talk about chicks. This gay thing is startin to creep me up a bit.

  11. December 21st, 2007 at 8:23 am

    YOUNGFED says:

    Both of yall acting like Broadz grow the Fuq-Up and then STFU (x2)!!!

  12. December 21st, 2007 at 8:30 am

    Sick Of It says:

    Right on Youngfed.

    Stupid Question: You do you think can bench more? Bron, Ron-Ron or Corey Magette?

    I’d put my money on Magette, but you never know. Fools were talking bout Micheal Dickerson benchin 400 back in da day, so you never know

  13. December 21st, 2007 at 8:37 am

    Celts Fan says:

    This might be a blessing in disguise for Miami though. What happens if they get a top 3 pick and can add Beasley, Rose, or OJ Mayo? That’s the kind of addition (assuming these guys are quality rotation guys from the jump and keep improving to what they should become) that keeps DWade down in Miami, extends Shaq’s usefulness, and puts them right back in the title picture pretty quickly if those guys hit the ground running and playing really well (and, while they’re young, there’s no reason to think they couldn’t, and even if it takes a few years to, that’s still time to keep DWade and have a really, really good nucleus to build around for the post-Shaq portion of Wade’s career.)

  14. December 21st, 2007 at 8:39 am

    Celts Fan says:

    I’d probably guess Artest can bench the most. He and LeBron are HUGE but I’m guessing Artest has been doing it longer since he’s been in the L since LeBron started HS, so he’s putting up more now, though I’m guessing that if you compare the max either of them EVER do, LeBron will top him within 5 years.

  15. December 21st, 2007 at 8:40 am

    Sick Of It says:

    Celts Fan, you prob right, but Magette is a beast. he lost some weight now but his first 3 years in the L, he had the body of a football player. Y’all remember Julius Peppers out of UNC? That was a beast too.

  16. December 21st, 2007 at 8:50 am

    control says:

    Another person to add to the bench press conversation: Earl Boykins. Guy can bench 350lbs apparently, which has to be the best body weight to bench weight ratio in the NBA. Of the 3 that you mentioned, I’d give the nod to Crazy Artest…retard strength can no be underestimated.

  17. December 21st, 2007 at 8:50 am

    control says:

    Another person to add to the bench press conversation: Earl Boykins. Guy can bench 350lbs apparently, which has to be the best body weight to bench weight ratio in the NBA. Of the 3 that you mentioned, I’d give the nod to Crazy Artest…retard strength can not be underestimated.

  18. December 21st, 2007 at 8:53 am

    Celts Fan says:

    Oh ya, Magette is a beast, but he’s not in the level of beast as LeBron and Artest. And of course we remember Julius Peppers, but that’s not really fair, the guy’s an all-pro, probably HOF Defensive End that played some ball after the season. Of course he was/is a beast!

  19. December 21st, 2007 at 8:56 am

    Celts Fan says:

    I’d bet Peppers’ bench is at least 100 pounds higher than Artest’s and LeBron’s.

  20. December 21st, 2007 at 8:59 am

    Celts Fan says:

    haha retard strength. good one control. I’ve heard that about little Earl too. Definitely explains how he’s able to do what he does.

  21. December 21st, 2007 at 9:11 am

    YOUNGFED says:

    You guys are all forgeting about the strongest man in Basketball ever Shaq-Deisel. Thats my pick.

    Lets do another list. Top 5 shooting gaurds ever.

    1.) Kobe (you can hate me now)
    2.)Mike J (I know i’ma get killed for putting him 2nd)
    3.)Magic (because he plays every D&mn position)
    4.)Lebron
    5.)Wade/AI/Allen (they’re all pretty even)

  22. December 21st, 2007 at 9:13 am

    YOUNGFED says:

    Oh I forgot, Control you know Bron is the strongest.

  23. December 21st, 2007 at 9:43 am

    João says:

    My Miami Heat need to do this : Trade J-WIll, R.DAVIS, SMUSH, M. BLOUNT for young prospects and picks, than trade SHAQ for Keith Van Horn 15 million contract, tank this year (they are already doing) get a top 3 pick, and start to rebuild around WADE, DORREL, HASLEN, COOK. Why for Dallas ? Cuban has money and it is crazy, and that team is just complete with 3 pt. shooters ,,, Why for Miami ? They get rid of Shaq contract and build for the future. Why for Shaq ? He gets a chance of get another chip … Do it Riley !!!

    Oh, and I go with Artest, boxing training, he must be good at bench press

  24. December 21st, 2007 at 9:47 am

    JodysOldMan says:

    artest is the new charles oakley, because he ain’t afraid to slap anybody for no reason at all

  25. December 21st, 2007 at 9:48 am

    Celts Fan says:

    YOUNGFED, you’re officially out of your mind. I’ll ignore the MJ slight, because there’s no need to even bother making a case for that. It’s already been proven and Kobe’s case is CLOSED.

    LeBron’s a 3, Magic’s a 1 (sorry, but if you’re making that list, guys need to be categorized correctly, you can’t just put Magic on every top 5 list cuz he played everything) and DWade hasn’t done nearly enough to make that list (yet), Ray’s not good enough (amazing player, not a top 5 2guard ever) and I don’t think AI is either, though he’s CLEARLY got a better case than the other 2 guys you have grouped w/ him at #5. Also, where’s Reggie Miller?

    Dime, is there any way you can just bar this clown from ever posting again? He’s got the GOAT as #2 at his own position, and 2 non SG’s on the list.

  26. December 21st, 2007 at 9:57 am

    YOUNGFED says:

    Alright Celts you got a point I’ll save Bron for my all-time Small fwd list.
    But your wrong about magic he plays everything some he can be placed anywhere.

    Also Kobe in my opinion is better than MJ in every way except the clutch. I know everyone thinks he was this great leader but he played on good teams and usally had atleast 4 really good players and 1 star (Pippen). Kobes the Best ever (Great Defender and Offense=Greatness)

    So here’s my revision.
    1.)Kobe
    2.)MJ
    3.MAGIC!!!!!!
    4.)Reggie Miller
    5.)Wade/Allen/AI

  27. December 21st, 2007 at 10:05 am

    YOUNGFED says:

    Celts
    By the way MAGIC MAKES EVERY ALLTIME LIST AT ANY D&MN POSITION!!@!!!

  28. December 21st, 2007 at 10:11 am

    Celts Fan says:

    haha I’ll give you that Magic’s GREAT (the only non center you can even argue as better than MJ, a losing argument, but you can at least make an attempt w/ him) and versatile as hell, but he played the point, not the 2 (not hating on Magic, the man was phenomenal, he just was a 1, not a 2)

    Also, last I checked, Kobe hasn’t elevated LA to shit w/out Shaq and MJ has 2 DPOY’s, so his D was just as good as Kobe’s. I’m not arguing Kobe’s on the list, but he’s not on the top of it. And ya, MJ had good players and other stars, but Kobe’s only rings came w/ other good players and with another star (Shaq) who was better than Pippen.

  29. December 21st, 2007 at 10:13 am

    Bron42 says:

    smity: i dont hate yao, i just said hes not the elite dominant center people say he is. Hes good but your not building a franchise on his back. Even the dime guys said it, they tried to ride him in the overtimes and it wasn’t happening. and him bitchin out his teammates wouldnt have swayed my opinion at all lol.

    youngfed: the rockets are still losing, and the dude isn’t athetic. I said it before (although fag fanboys are gonna comment like i’ve never said it) hes in better condition now but hes not still an amazing athlete or even a really good one. plus the dwight howard game was more of a draw since neither one put up some godly 30+ 15+ stats completely outshining the other AND dwight won. Also,ya, lebron isn’t the strongest out of those 3. Hes been around the same size since his senior year and he wasn’t even liftin much then, go back and look up his predraft numbers. He wasn’t durant but he wasn’t kevin willis either lol. Pound for pound earl boykins benchin 300 is the strongest. And were not even gonna go into the kobe over MJ comment.

  30. December 21st, 2007 at 10:28 am

    Bron42 says:

    kerr? randy brown? ron harper? bj armstrong? bill wennington? luc longlely? paxon? jud buechler? since when did they count as really good players? he had pippen and eventually rodman. Maybe kukoc if you add him but lets not make it like MJ was on some star studded team. they might be smarter than the guys kobe has now but not more talented.

  31. December 21st, 2007 at 10:29 am

    Bron42 says:

    left out horance grant

  32. December 21st, 2007 at 10:31 am

    SWAT says:

    Not athletic Bron…Dude has put up 4 consecutive double double games and played back to back games of over 40+ mins. What is your def of athletic? Even before Camby went down YAO was beating him up and down the court, and his Camby’s final numbers were something like 20 boards with 2 pts. Why don’t people rip this cat? 2 pts…that seems very unathletic, plus a handful of those boards came in the ot. But on a another note if felt good to see my boys with some fight in them, FINALLY!
    And real talk fellas what’s with all the homo references today. Those 2 cats up top started us on the wrong foot.

  33. December 21st, 2007 at 10:52 am

    YOUNGFED says:

    Bron Horace grant kukoc, were pretty much stars at that time. and paxson and bj andddd harper were pretty d&mn good. Also i don’t understand why people don’t think Kobe and MJ isn’t debatable. let me demonstrate.
    Athletics- Kobe
    Defense- Kobe
    Offense - even (maybe Kobe he’s got a better 3ball)
    Passing - even
    Rebounding - Kobe
    Leadership - MJ (I guess)
    IQ- MJ
    So please stop acting like Kobe can’t be the best ever (CELTS!!!).

    Also thank you swat for someone finally reconizing that Yao is atheletic as hell for a center.

  34. December 21st, 2007 at 10:54 am

    Celts Fan says:

    Swat, people don’t rip Camby because he plays his role perfectly. He doesn’t need to score (though you’re still expecting in the neighborhood of 6-10 pts., not 2.) He’s a defensive stopper (DPOY) whose job is to protect the rim and grab any boards he can, which he does very well. Also, people aren’t trying to proclaim him as a franchise center, so the attention isn’t on him. He’s a great piece, but he’s just that, a piece.

    and don’t front on Bill Wennington Bron. dude had that nice turnaround J that had a ton of range. He could knock that down from up to like 8 feet! He was Dirk before Dirk was Dirk. If he was from Germany instead of here, he’d be in the Hall.

  35. December 21st, 2007 at 11:01 am

    Celts Fan says:

    YOUNGFED - to be the best ever, you need to put a team on your back and over-achieve. The Bulls were without a legit low-post threat and had 2 3peats on MJ’s desire to win and buying into the same system that Kobe seems to be rejecting (ball movement, good passing, patience.) MJ has 6 rings, Kobe has 3, all as the 2nd best player on the team, the best being a better player than anyone Jordan ever played with.

    Let’s look at your list again:

    Athletics- Even (MJ before he broke his leg, tied even after)
    Defense- MJ (everyone says Kobe doesn’t defend as hard in the NBA as he did in Vegas last summer, MJ did.)
    Offense - about even, maybe a slight edge to Kobe for the 3ball
    Passing - MJ (even? come on, Kobe HATES passing!)
    Rebounding - MJ
    Leadership - MJ (NO QUESTION)
    IQ- MJ (if Kobe had a good one, he’d realize passing to teammates and not being a dick in the locker room and alienating your teammates is a bad idea)

    you left off the biggest ones though
    Winning: MJ

    Kobe CAN’T be the GOAT until he carries this Lakers team to multiple rings. I don’t know how you can even argue that.

  36. December 21st, 2007 at 11:08 am

    bron42 aka global-4A-Reason says:

    Swat:do you know the difference between being athletic and having endurance? cuz theres a huge difference. Yao will NEVER be a great athletic. Hes not fast, not a high jumper (those 2 are pretty much the definition of being athletic, check a football combine). He can always improve his conditioning but that doesn’t suddenly make him athletic. It means he increased his endurance. Dwight, amare,shaq, david robinson, young zo, hakeem, hell even chris andersen were athletic for centers. You suddenly makin it up the court doesn’t make him “athletic as hell”. And why would i rip camby? no on proclaims him to be some offensive god and its not like hes averaging 2 points. so hes doin what hes supposed to.

    Youngfed: Kobe isn’t a better athlete than jordan. not to mention jordan was DPOY a few times too. kobe on his own excels as a scorer and will give you about 5 boards along the way. plus he rarely raises peoples game until this year. kobe is still a beast but jordan is jordan. plus horace was close to done by the time toni started to shine.

    celts: you got me on the wennington comment lol thats like kapono sayin he’d be a number one pick if he was german.

  37. December 21st, 2007 at 11:10 am

    Myrie says:

    ANYONE WANT TO PLAY A TOSS-UP? A “WHO WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE” EDITION?

  38. December 21st, 2007 at 11:11 am

    Data says:

    Celts Fan
    Bill is from Canada. So i think your HOF argument/joke is void.

  39. December 21st, 2007 at 11:18 am

    YOUNGFED says:

    I see I’ma have to qoute stats now. One-on-One I think kobe would get mj. Thats all.

    Celts Kobe is a great passer they just don’t make shots.
    Kobe is on the All-defensive team almost every year.
    I’m just glad yall see it is debatable in the future the truth will be revealed.

    P.s Yall need to check out that chain Rick Ross got in the other article. IT’S UCKING FUGLY!!!. But it is creative. Let me know what yall think.

  40. December 21st, 2007 at 11:28 am

    SWAT says:

    Camby plays his role yes, dpoy and all that jazz but many people have jumped on Yao for being just a scorer. Wouldn’t that be the same as Camby playing his role, strictly defense. And that’s pretending that Yao doesn’t defend at all. Plus everyone rips Yao when he has an off night in scoring but dude damn near avgs 20 and 10, Camby is no where near that. So the point I’m making is that why is it that Yao gets so heavily scrutinized?

  41. December 21st, 2007 at 11:32 am

    Sho-Nuff says:

    Would the Rockets rather have Battier now or Rudy Gay?

    With T-Mac down I would think Rudy Gay.

  42. December 21st, 2007 at 11:55 am

    Myrie says:

    ATTN ALL: QUICK TOSS-UP. WHO WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE CONSIDERING 100% HEALTHY?…

    Tayshaun Prince or Lamar Odom?
    Chris Bosh or Zach Randolph?
    Tyson Chandler or Chris Kaman?
    Paul Milsap or Jason Maxiell?
    Andrei Kirilenko or Ron Artest?
    Rashard Lewis or Antwain Jamison?
    Eddie Jones or Michael Finley?
    Michael Redd or Vince Carter?
    Shawn Marion or Josh Smith?
    Corey Maggette or Gerald Wallace?
    Andre Iguodala or Richard Jefferson?
    Luol Deng or Caron Butler?
    Jameer Nelson or Raymond Felton?
    Larry Hughes or Jamal Crawford?
    Ben Gordon or Kevin Martin?
    Baron Davis or Gilbert Arenas?
    Chauncey Billups or Tony Parker?
    Mike Bibby or Stepon Marbury?
    Derek Fisher or Sam Cassell?
    Al Jefferon or Andruw Bynum?

  43. December 21st, 2007 at 11:59 am

    isotope says:

    I’ll say it again, Yao controls the game more because he makes opposing teams double or triple team him. Stats dont say that, unless the shooters make their shots. Dwight, Camby, or whatever center dont command double teams like Yao does. Imagine his numbers if he always played one on one. Crazy.

    I kinda see Magic’s point about Yao and TMac not being able to play together but I think it’s more the coach that makes a difference. I dont think Adelman knows what he’s doing. And whats that about Yao only affects on column on the stat sheet???? Thats just dumb.

  44. December 21st, 2007 at 12:13 pm

    YOUNGFED says:

    Alright Myrie Here ya go
    Prince
    Zach
    Chandler (this 1 was hard)
    Maxiell
    Artest
    Lewis
    Finley (easy choice)
    Carter (easy choice)
    Smith (I can hear the hate)
    Maggette
    Igoudala
    Deng
    Felton
    Hughes
    Gordon (Hard choice)
    Davis (I like Davis more but arenas is probably better)
    Billups
    Marbury (easy)
    Cassell (easy)
    Jefferson (easy)

  45. December 21st, 2007 at 12:30 pm

    control says:

    Wow, I have just read some of the crazyiest posts ever.

    Youngfed, you are an absolute retard, you have completely lowered the quaility of this website, and probably even the quaility of the internet itself with your posts. Kobe over MJ? Are you serious? Zach Randolph over Chris Bosh?!?!?! (didn’t even read all of your most recent post, just noticed that blasphamy). If you were a GM in the nba, you would make Isiah or McHale look like a damn genius. You have something broken in your head, or you make your posts as retarded as you can just so you can get the reactions to it…providing you with excellent jerking material. I’m guessing that it’s the second option, and that you really are getting off on this, you do it becaues it’s cheaper than paying a hooker $500/hour to step on your flacid and unused penis and shit on your chest.
    BTW, Magic is an amazing one of a kind player, but he wouldn’t be on the top 5 of all time center list.

    Anyone saying Marcus Camby should be getting more points isn’t looking at his teammates. The guy has ZERO plays run for him, and even if he did, it’s not like AI would give him the ball. He gets alot of rebounds because AI jacks up so many shots, and he’s lucky that he even gets 10 points a game (all on offensive rebounds).

    Man, Zach Randolph over Chris Bosh…that still pisses me off…you must think it’s a fucking doughnut eating contest…god damn that is retarded.

  46. December 21st, 2007 at 12:31 pm

    i Fux aka Etheraldinho aka Farouq Obama says:

    Do ya’ll watch games or just skim through ‘em. Lebron didnt lock Kobe up, they matched up on each other exactly twice during the game. So chill with the Bron locking Kobe up talk. Andrew Bynum Baby! dude looks a little like Moses Malone out there…… Get it in and Listen to GhOSTFACE….*grips up*

  47. December 21st, 2007 at 12:33 pm

    i Fux aka Etheraldinho aka Farouq Obama says:

    Please Chris Bosh, that dude is overrated like a mothafucka’ …when is the last time he grabbed 12 rebounds in a game or 10 for that matter

  48. December 21st, 2007 at 12:34 pm

    i Fux aka Etheraldinho aka Farouq Obama says:

    You dont know Yao(c) Weezy

  49. December 21st, 2007 at 12:36 pm

    i Fux aka Etheraldinho aka Farouq Obama says:

    I have never in the history of basketballdum have I seen anyone go to the line more than Dwayne Wade, sheesh that dude lives at the line. By No mean is this a complement(sp?)

  50. December 21st, 2007 at 12:36 pm

    Myrie says:

    Youngfed–
    I gotta step my game up. Too many were too easy for you. They were supposed to be more challenging.

    But you chose Maggette over Wallace and his defense?
    And you took Deng over Caron Butler?….Really? Caron gets boards and puts up triple dips. I thought Bibby/Marbury would not have been so easy. Both are highly overrated.

  51. December 21st, 2007 at 12:39 pm

    YOUNGFED says:

    1st OFF Control YALL MUTH&#CKERS GONE STOP WITH THE NAME CALLING!!!.
    It’s my opinion chris bosh ain’t really better than Zach too me. Also I’ve said what I have to say about the Kobe issue. If you disagree with my opinion cool but you didn’t make this website SO HOW THE FUQ YOU GONE TRY AND POLICE IT CHUMP AZZ LAME!!!
    I’m not even gone respond to the hooker comment cause that only demonstrates your lameness.

    PS A REAL MAN CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE BUT IF YOU WANNA TALK SH** CAN DO IT ALL DAY.

    Or atleast till I leave work after that its time to BAAALLLL!!!

    PS. YOU A B@@#H

  52. December 21st, 2007 at 12:49 pm

    YOUNGFED says:

    Marbury is not overrated but maggette and wallace was close. and Deng and Butler was tough

  53. December 21st, 2007 at 1:23 pm

    SWAT says:

    Man it’s the holidays and yall boys are grumpy as hell.
    My picks-
    Prince
    Bosh
    Kaman
    Maxiell
    Artest-even tho dude is crazy but he’s from QB so it’s ok.
    Lewis
    Finley
    Redd
    Marion
    Wallace
    Jefferson
    Butler
    Felton
    Crawford
    Gordon
    Arenas
    Billups
    Bibby
    Cassell
    Bynum
    Peace mofo’s!

  54. December 21st, 2007 at 1:28 pm

    YOUNGFED says:

    You’re right SWAT Merry Christmas to everyone except CONTROL LAME AZZ!!!!(LOL).

  55. December 21st, 2007 at 1:30 pm

    kowtz says:

    Yeah… respect… IF people want to say their opinion, no matter how absurd it may be to you, disagree in a gentleman’s manner…

    I still say Mamba over Jordan…

    Hmmm… Let’s see… IN MY OPINION:

    Athletics- Slight Kobe… he was more athletic early on… Highschool? DAMN!

    Defense- I’d have to say KB… no matter if he defends better in other leagues or tournaments…

    Offense - Definitely KB24… 81 over 63… ;)

    Passing - Even (even? come on, Kobe HATES passing? wasn’t that Jordan’s issue on the early 80’s, before Jordan Rules were made up? Remeber the last game in PHO-LAL a couple of years back? where he was criticized for being too selfish by passing the ball too much?)

    Rebounding - MJ

    Leadership - MJ (NO QUESTION)AGREE! PERIOD!

    IQ- MJ (if Kobe had a good one, he’d realize passing to teammates and not being a dick in the locker room and alienating your teammates is a bad idea)

    TEAMMATES - JORDAN, by a faaaar margin…

    Odom/walton vs. pippen - scotti even if you put Odom and walton together…

    Kwame Brown vs. Rodman/Horace Grant - you think this is debatable???????????????

    Andrew Bynum vs. Luc Longly/Bill Cartwright - pretty even… as how Bynum plays today…

    Fisher/Farmar vs. BJ Armstrong / Ron Harper - did everybody else just forgot how Ron Harper was the Michael Jordan of the clippers??????

    Vladimir Radmanovich vs. Toni Kukoc - no question…

    Pick of a biased Laker Fan - of course K B24…

  56. December 21st, 2007 at 1:37 pm

    K-Dizzle says:

    Youngfed, what’s with the screaming?
    and yeah, Marbury is overrated and Deng over Caron is a little twisted. Never would a real GM take Steph and Zach over Bibby and Bosh knowin what we know.
    Chris Bosh doesn’t get 12 rebounds…..and?……
    I don’t wanna agree with bron but Yao really ain’t athletic. He works hard, but that’s not athleticism. You want an athlete, check out D-Howard.
    and I know it’s been said, but I gotta say it again, Magic is not a 2 or a 3 or a 4 or a center. Best point guard of all time Period
    Revised 2 guard list:
    1) MJ - stop being crazy, I love my Lakers and Kobe but he’s not here
    2) Oscar Robertson - check the stats please, just cuz Kobe is now don’t mean he’s alltime
    3) Kobe
    that’s real

  57. December 21st, 2007 at 1:39 pm

    YOUNGFED says:

    You made some good points but Kowt Kobe can pass really good he just doesn’t really believe in his teamates as you just demonstrated why.

  58. December 21st, 2007 at 1:41 pm

    K-Dizzle says:

    kowtz

    MJ’s 63 - playoffs -versus the champion Boston Celtics
    on the road

    Kobe’s 81 - midseason - Raptors - at home

  59. December 21st, 2007 at 1:47 pm

    Myrie says:

    Jordan’s regular season scoring high was 69pts vs the Cavs

  60. December 21st, 2007 at 1:56 pm

    bron42 aka global-4A-Reason says:

    it really sucks when you make one comment, go do something and when you come back theres 58 lol

    Swat like i said, people don’t rip up camby, cuz no one proclamins camby as a great anything. He is a role player specialist so if he slack in other areas than its expected. You all say yao is the best this best that, which hes not so it leaves a opening for the comments. If you said yao is a speciailist or role player than i’d be like “ok, than hes good at those” but to say hes the best center, he has too many flaws to really wear that crown just yet. Camby has NEVER been considered a great center so we have no reason to really point out hes not.

    Ha me and k-dizzle just agree’d i’m printin that shit out. Yao improved his overall conditioning but hes not a great athlete. thats like comparing a kenyan distance runner to a elite sprinter. which one is more athletic. its all about muscle fibers and that stuff. And we’ve actually agreed on stuff a few times, your just too fussy to accept manu is about the same as kukoc was…a good fit but will never be “dat dude” lol

    Kowtz: kobe was more athletic in high school but as a pro jordan has him beat by miles…the difference in vert alone says that. jordan in his prime was supposedly a 46, meanwhile kobe his rookie year in the dunk contest was 38.

  61. December 21st, 2007 at 2:08 pm

    Celts Fan says:

    Kowtz, you can’t leave Shaq and those title team guys off that list. I can list the ‘85 Bulls against the Dynasty Lakers and it’s clearly LA. That doesn’t make it right.

  62. December 21st, 2007 at 2:08 pm

    Celts Fan says:

    and there’s no argument here. MJ is considered the GOAT by everyone in the NBA, who definitely know more about it than we do. Even Kobe would probably say MJ was better.

  63. December 21st, 2007 at 2:18 pm

    girlybballluver says:

    MYRIE here are my picks.

    Tayshaun Prince or Lamar Odom? PRINCE
    Chris Bosh or Zach Randolph? BOSH
    Tyson Chandler or Chris Kaman? CHANDLER
    Paul Milsap or Jason Maxiell? i dunno milsap i guess
    Andrei Kirilenko or Ron Artest? ARTEST
    Rashard Lewis or Antwain Jamison? JAMISON
    Eddie Jones or Michael Finley? FINLEY
    Michael Redd or Vince Carter? REDD
    Shawn Marion or Josh Smith? MARION
    Corey Maggette or Gerald Wallace? WALLACE
    Andre Iguodala or Richard Jefferson? JEFFERSON
    Luol Deng or Caron Butler? BUTLER (how underrated is he?)
    Jameer Nelson or Raymond Felton? i guess felton
    Larry Hughes or Jamal Crawford? CRAWFORD
    Ben Gordon or Kevin Martin? MARTIN
    Baron Davis or Gilbert Arenas? BARON
    Chauncey Billups or Tony Parker? PARKER
    Mike Bibby or Stepon Marbury? MARBURY
    Derek Fisher or Sam Cassell? CASSELL
    Al Jefferon or Andruw Bynum? BYNUM

  64. December 21st, 2007 at 2:32 pm

    girlybballluver says:

    My poor boo (Wade)…how much more can one mad do?

    JC…ya know Wade is from Ilinois. But I like him in Miami.
    That organization just needs to get it together.

  65. December 21st, 2007 at 2:37 pm

    girlybballluver says:

    Youngfed: Deng over Butler? Absurd!!!

  66. December 21st, 2007 at 2:48 pm

    Celts Fan says:

    I could see that. The thing about most of those comparisons is that it depends on team need. If you’re the Bulls, you take Big Al over Bynum cuz Big Al has a GREAT low post game, but if you’re a team that needs interior defense and a man that can dunk and has some low post work, but not nearly as refined as Al’s you take Bynum. A lot of those guys have seperate skill sets that are more of a “who’s a better fit for what you already have?”

  67. December 21st, 2007 at 3:16 pm

    Myrie says:

    Girlybballluver –
    Michael Redd over Vince Carter? Hmmm. Really?
    Kevin Martin over Ben Gordon? Don’t you think Gordon is a little more proven that Martin?
    And Tony Parker over Billups. Interesting.

  68. December 21st, 2007 at 3:20 pm

    Myrie says:

    K-Dizzle (56)—
    On a side note, when I was a student at St. Johns University, I had a professor who played in the NBA. bench guy; not even close to a star. He played with the Sixers and Bucks. Back in the ’70s.

    …To your point, he said the greatest player he ever seen and/or competed against was……..Oscar Robertson.

  69. December 21st, 2007 at 3:25 pm

    Austin Burton says:

    OK, I got some time to kill:

    Tayshaun over Odom
    Zach over Bosh (personal bias, I know)
    Chandler over Kaman
    Millsap over Maxiell
    AK over Artest (as much as I like Artest, he’s poison to his team’s offense sometimes)
    Rashard over Jamison (Raw is less of a gunner)
    Finley over Eddie Jones (Fin can still get up)
    Redd over Vince
    Matrix over Josh Smith
    Wallace over Maggette (better all-around player)
    Iguodala over Jefferson (can RJ play without Kidd?)
    Caron over Deng
    Jameer over Felton (he’s tougher)
    Crawford over Hughes
    Martin over Gordon (more consistent)
    Baron over Gilbert
    Parker over Billups
    Steph over Bibby
    Cassell over Fisher
    Bynum over Al Jefferson (upside)

  70. December 21st, 2007 at 3:28 pm

    RiceEater says:

    I dont understand the hate smack writers have for YAO? It takes him playing 45 and 50 minutes on back to back games for you to give him some credit? you fuk wads cant last 10 minutes on the courts without coughing your lungs out…Everyone talking about dwight this dwight that…in there head to head match up Yao scores only two points less than him and yet grabs 5 more boards him (dwight is supposedly king of rebounds) and match him block for block. Then he comes to Denever and takes out kenyone martin on a and 1 then gets camby and that mexican guy to foul out while putting up 25 and 19. See a guy like camby only has to play D and grab boards and yet he still had less boards than YAO… and yet you here calling dwight a beast?…so if dwight is a beast then YAO is a beast master. You guys need to look past the fact that he is chinese you racist pricks and start giving the credit that he deserves.

  71. December 21st, 2007 at 3:47 pm

    ChickenEater says:

    I’ll take Dwight for the same reasons you take your man Yao.

    “That Mexican guy”? OK Dan Issel…

  72. December 21st, 2007 at 3:55 pm

    What is this!? says:

    “control” said
    “Anyone saying Marcus Camby should be getting more points isn’t looking at his teammates. The guy has ZERO plays run for him, and even if he did, it’s not like AI would give him the ball. He gets alot of rebounds because AI jacks up so many shots, and he’s lucky that he even gets 10 points a game (all on offensive rebounds)”.

    ^^ Dude, Iverson has been shooting over 50% from the field this past month and his shot selection has been better then ever, so how exactly is he jacking up shots? As far as sharing the ball goes, Iverson averages the most assists on the team, so you have no point. Iverson is’nt a point gaurd, he’s a shooting gaurd, so how is it his job to set up plays for Camby? Shouldn’t you be asking Coach Karl about that? Unfortounatly Carmelo is the one jacking up shot after shot and only going 2 for 17 in the first half. I’ll give him credit for coming back in the second half, but he is going to cost his team games if he keeps shooting them out of the game. Thank god A.I was there to clean his shit up. Melo is a good player, but he has a lot of maturing to do.

  73. December 21st, 2007 at 4:00 pm

    bron42 aka global-4A-Reason says:

    peoples arguments are so pointless sometimes…did he really just call dime fuckwads and racist lol

  74. December 21st, 2007 at 4:16 pm

    control says:

    What is this!?, AI has been hitting this year (46%), but the guy is jacking 18 shots a game. Melo has been jacking like 19.5 or something (at 41%). That’s almost 40 shots a game for two players, it’s not like Camby is being flooded with chances to score which was my point. Because Melo and AI are there, and they are the well established scorers on the team, Camby is stuck just playing in role, which isn’t to be an established scorer. If Camby was a 2nd or 3rd option, I think the guy could do 15ppg at 50-55fg% easy.

    Youngfed, sorry I touched on a softspot. I wasn’t calling you any names, I was just saying that, judging by your posts, you seem to be mentally disabled in some way, or hinting that you might be a sadomasochist. No name calling or anything, and you might not be a retarded sadomasochist…but I’m just calling your posts as I see them.

  75. December 21st, 2007 at 5:49 pm

    dagwaller says:

    Austin - good list except for Kaman and Chandler (Chandler’s very limited), and also picking Cassell over Fisher. Cassell hasn’t been effective since two years ago, Fisher was good last year. Neither are good now…

    Not a good time to be a Yao/Dirk/Nash hater:

    Yao, two nights in a row of being a well conditioned, hard, ATHLETE. Putting up similar board numbers as the two defensive centers he played against, similar points to DH, less BA than Dwight (he must suck! He got blocked!), good block numbers, meanwhile he’s the only player better than “good” on his team right now. T-Mac? Combined like 5 for 30 in the last two halves he’s played…which weren’t the second half either time. In other words, T-Mac’s just missing time now. Very clutch/leaderlike. Plus, did you see the points the C/PF position put up vs Yao last night? Talk about AFFECTING THE GAME.

    Dirk? Who wants well rounded? Leading scorer in the game the last two games, 50 percent shooting, 15-16 from the line, 20 boards total, 3apg, a couple blocks…

    Then there’s Nash. Vs. the Mavs the other night, 9/15, 2/3 from three, 21 pts, 18 a, 3 boards. Too bad Amare couldn’t contain ERICK DAMPIER, the offensive juggernaut. Damp had ZERO BA, was 4-4 and had 10 boards. Amare had as many BA as Devin Harris (a Center that gets blocked! He must suck!). At least he put up a few blocks, but I’m still saying that while Amare may be young, so is Tyson Chandler…who would score more if he had Nash passing the ball to him in that system, PLUS they would have some D…

    Anyone else think that the Rockets should trade one of their PGs to the Cavs for a big man?

  76. December 21st, 2007 at 6:38 pm

    Bron42 says:

    2 of your 3 guys lost lol. I love when people take comments completely out of context for their own good, shame its you whose doin it dag.

    yao had 2 games where he showed conditioning, your right, that should automatticaly erase everyones bad thoughts of him. Plus you make a sarcastic comment about the blocks, Me personally, I dont point out when other 7′0 foots block yao, I comment when guys smaller than him push his shot or dunk on him. big difference. On top of that your takin shots at tmac for bein hurt and shuttin it down, meanwhile i didn’t make one comment about yao not bein clutch and leaderlike last year when he got hurt. and its the nuggets? what nuggets center/pf really do anything?

    The dirk argument is probably your weakest but i’ll give you credit cuz he has started scoring again and his team has won recently.

    Nash i’m not gonna touch since its one game and its kinda pointless to really hype about that, specially when he lost..

    I thought scola was supposed to be the rockets savior at big man? plus there arent really any good bigs on the trading block right now, specially with the cavs..who, cedric simmons?

  77. December 21st, 2007 at 8:11 pm

    Johann says:

    Wade would look good in the Bulls uniform.

  78. December 21st, 2007 at 11:41 pm

    Ian says:

    youngfed
    i think jordan is better but i do give u kobe is a better athlete and contrary to what many think the kobe jordan thing is debatable
    but jordan like celts fan said is the best noncenter ever (wilt is my 1 alltime) and maybeeeee magic.

    the list

    Tayshaun Prince or Lamar Odom? PRINCE
    Chris Bosh or Zach Randolph? BOSH
    Tyson Chandler or Chris Kaman? CHANDLER
    Paul Milsap or Jason Maxiell? PAUL
    Andrei Kirilenko or Ron Artest? KIRILENKO
    Rashard Lewis or Antwain Jamison? JAMISON
    Eddie Jones or Michael Finley? FINLEY
    Michael Redd or Vince Carter? CARTER
    Shawn Marion or Josh Smith? MARION
    Corey Maggette or Gerald Wallace? WALLACE
    Andre Iguodala or Richard Jefferson? ANDRE
    Luol Deng or Caron Butler? BUTLER BY FARRRRR
    Jameer Nelson or Raymond Felton? FELTON
    Larry Hughes or Jamal Crawford? NEITHER
    Ben Gordon or Kevin Martin? MARTIN
    Baron Davis or Gilbert Arenas? BARON
    Chauncey Billups or Tony Parker? PARKER
    Mike Bibby or Stepon Marbury? BIBBY
    Derek Fisher or Sam Cassell? CASSELL
    Al Jefferon or Andruw Bynum? AL

  79. December 22nd, 2007 at 12:41 am

    dagwaller says:

    Bron, points being:

    Dirk is more well rounded than given credit for.

    Yao is better conditioned than given credit for, and can affect games on the defensive end. He belongs among the game’s elite centers. Furthermore, he’s capable of leading good teams by himself just as much as T-Mac is - it’s just that this team isn’t a good team. I just get tired of people saying that T-Mac is the leader of the team when he spends every other game on the bench or in the crowd. Also, see the articles posted a few days ago about how he’s bitching out on Houston.

    Yao vs. Camby/K-Mart/Najera (etc.) is a perfect foil for Amare vs. Dampier. You’re right - the Nuggets don’t have a good frontcourt. But the Mavs don’t have a good center, either, and Damp STILL did a good job on Amare, on both ends of the court. Meanwhile, Yao shut down the guys he had to. He AFFECTED THE GAME, which I seem to recall was a criticism of his…

    Nash is indispensable to the Suns success - Amare is not.

    The last couple games just gave credence to pretty much everything I’ve been saying. I’m not saying that two games apiece should change people’s minds - I’m saying that there are those that have CLOSED minds to what I’ve been saying, and there’s plenty of evidence to support it.

    I’m not going to go at the fact that two of the guys lost - first of all, when you have a head-to-head game, one of the guys is going to lose. Second of all, when Yao plays by himself against a division leader, I don’t really bust on him too bad.

    Oh yea, and I finally thought about the “slowest player in the League” title that some had given to Yao. How about: Eddy Curry, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Jamal Magloire, Shaq, Brad Miller, Brendan Haywood, Jerome James…

    I’ve never been very impressed by Scola. I thought I’d give him til the end of the first quarter of the season to “get used to” his new team/League, but it’s getting farther on. With regards to the trade, I just figured Cleveland is a team that NEEDS a good pg (although Booby is doing ok), and they have a headache at the 4, with Gooden and Varejao. Either of those would probably just be similar to what Houston already has, though - good point. I just see a glut of guards on Houston, and they can’t exactly play all of them. Don’t really know what they were thinking when they signed them all…

  80. December 22nd, 2007 at 1:20 am

    Ian says:

    dag
    everything u said about yao tmac nash and dirk is true

  81. December 22nd, 2007 at 6:18 am

    Kevin says:

    D-Wade still got it…but his numbers are dropping

    http://www.squidoo.com/DwyaneWade

  82. December 22nd, 2007 at 1:47 pm

    Bron42 aka Global-4A-Reason says:

    nah i hear you dag, thats why i didn’t really argue much. I would still argue about those guys you named outrunning yao simply because everyone outside of big z and maybe shaq now can jump high than yao, and training teaches you, the height of ur vertical usually dictates how fast you are since their the same muscles, but its really a pointless question.

    dirk doesn’t really count cuz hes not consistant plus you cant hype his good game against the suns (who play no defense) specially when we both kno hes been pretty average most of the year.

    again with the nash topic, yes nash is indespensible to run the team supposedly but based on age and style of play amare has a much better chance of winning a ring at some point than nash.

  83. December 22nd, 2007 at 1:54 pm

    Bron42 aka Global-4A-Reason says:

    also on the tmac point, i’ll be the first person to admit at this point in his career (wat should be his prime) he get injured way to much. And its actually pretty crazy cuz i’ve seen him train in the offseason with my own eyes and the stuff is intense so who knows.

    the reason i say he is more of a leader than yao is: tmac has been on bad teams by himself and still gotten them to a respectable level (minus the 21 win team). for the most part hes proven that, if the games on the line you want the ball in his hands. Yao is a top center right now but i dont consider him elite or think we’ll be among the greats. He just doesn’t seem to have that extra gear to just overwelm opponents and get what he wants. Its not so much speed, or strength or things like that its when shaq was in his prime, you knew the ball was goin to him and there was pretty much nothing you could do, same with hakeem and anyother great center. yao isn’t there yet and hes not really young anymore so its kinda doubtful that he’ll get there. its like comparing kobe and lebron. as good as lebron is, he doesn’t have the killer instinct guys like jordan and kobe have. Tmac had that for a moment but now i dunno whats up with him since hes built like wet paper. so as much as people bitch about me hatin yao, i dont hate him, i see his good side and his bad, i just dont see him as “elite” or “all time great” hes top 5 in a league where tyson chandler is top 10

  84. December 22nd, 2007 at 2:11 pm

    dagwaller says:

    I see what you mean with regards to athleticism, but I guess my only thing about that is that there are lots of ways to be athletic. Hard to compare different kinds - like you said, a marathoner or a sprinter - who’s more athletic?

    Dirk has DEFINITELY regressed this season, by a good bit. Howard is probably the better player right now. I just think that Dirk’s ceiling is higher in general, and that he’s been a lot better rounded than given credit for. I seem to recall a lot of the “tall white shooter” talk…

    I think that Amare is great, don’t get me wrong. I just think that Marion is great, too, and that they do similar things well. Except that Marion is a PF/SF, which means that his hustle means more than a C doing it. Just like you say a lot of the time, you want a C to do what a C does, and Amare just doesn’t do that as well. If you have an entire team running, that’s good. But if you could sacrifice ONE player running, it would be the C, and that’s why I think that a good young DEFENSIVE C would be perfect for this team. And think about it - if you’re the Lakers or the Hornets, don’t you make that (center) trade? Pretty much anyone but the Magic would do it, I think, and most of the teams would probably throw some sweetener in there, too. Or maybe they’d take Marcus Banks or Sean Marks…

    I don’t really understand how one guy can get injured so much, either. It’s a shame, really, because even though I don’t think that the Rockets could go to the Finals as presently constituted, I do like T-Mac’s game a lot.

    I see what you mean about T-Mac vs. Yao, and to a degree I agree with you. It’s just that there really aren’t that many “all time great” centers. If your main point is that he’s not as good as SOME make him out to be, as in “he’s not an all time great”, I’d agree with you. Then again, how many all time greats are there? I’d say that he’s the best to play in the last five, six, or seven years outside of Shaq and now Dwight Howard. Amare probably is at the same level, give/take the year he was out and being somewhat limited in an all-around game.

    Maybe a weak era, but an era in which he’s doing well in regardless.

  85. December 22nd, 2007 at 3:30 pm

    Bron42 aka Global-4A-Reason says:

    ya but you also gotta remember, from high school to now, amare has never been a center..hes a center right now just cuz their style of play so i wouldn’t expect him to have a centers game. but ya i agree.

    I still say dirk is a tall white shooter lol but thats just my idea of him. just like the kid from the raptors, when his shot isn’t falling, i don’t see them bringin much else to the table, specially dirk who gets taken out his game easily. I mean its not like if dirk’s offensive game is off hes gonna switch up and focus on defense and just help the team, which i have seen guys like tmac, kobe and even lebron do at times.

    about yao, as someone who plays and trained basketball players, its alway funny to me. the pg and the center are some of the weakest overall spots in the league right now, yet they seem to stay weak. You would think centers in college would focus alot more realizing how lame the crop their in is and that what way they stand out more. like roy hibbert (who busted his ass to get where he is) is still only a black big Z at best when he goes pro. I mean think about back in the day when u had, ewing,shaq,zo,hakeem,david robinson etc.. all battling..now for the last 3-4 years theres maybe 3 centers in the league who are above the rest. everyone else is pf converted to a center or big waste of space centers like david harrison from the pacers or chris mihm

  86. December 22nd, 2007 at 3:31 pm

    Bron42 aka Global-4A-Reason says:

    and by football and nba standards. they consider 40 yard dash and vertical leap as the ultimate way to decide if someone is athletic so the marathon runner would lose in that case lol.

  87. December 22nd, 2007 at 4:11 pm

    dagwaller says:

    Def see what you mean about Amare. But that team NEEDS a center to win, in my opinion.

    Yea, Dirk’s game is mainly still offense. But he can get his in a lot of ways (3s, working midrange, or getting FTs), plus his defense is underrated is my main point. His rpg numbers plus blocks aren’t what a lot of people might think.

    I guess the PG/C crop is always thin because a.) PG is supposed to be the highest skill/bball IQ position in the game, so while there are a ton of guys that can shoot/jump out of the gym/bruise in the paint, there aren’t that many that know how to attack a zone. And b.) let’s face it, there just aren’t that many people 7 feet tall to go around, ha.

    As far as athletics go, let me just say that the 40 yard dash is a terrible, terrible way to measure. 40 yards? Even in football, how many 40 yard plays are there? Whose idea was that? In basketball, unless the court is 40 yards…what’s the point? Plus you definitely run a lot more than 40 yards during the game, so you need to have endurance, and you rarely run as far as 40 yards at a time, so quickness (short cuts and runs as far as 20 yards) is more important. I mean, going back to the 40, that’s not even an event in track and field. The shortest that they go is 60m, so who invented the 40, and why?

    Also, jumping muscles and sprinting muscles are NOT the same. Similar, but not the same.

    Yea, it’s a weak era, but we’re still more or less coming off of a very strong era as you said, so it makes it SEEM even weaker.

  88. December 22nd, 2007 at 9:52 pm

    bron42 aka Global-4A-Reason says:

    almost every D1 team has a guy 6′11 or bigger. One of my clients plays D1 and is 7′2 but likes to drift around the 3point line. i think thats more the issue than the fact there aren’t many tall people.

    well the 40 yard dash is dumb in general. first of all your timed in shorts and a t shirt meanwhile in a game you have pads on…plus in both basketball and football, how often are you running full speed in a straight line? but everyone knows that and its still a rule. a bad 40 yard dash at the combine alone can drop you a few rounds.

    and jumping muscles and sprinting muscles ARE the same for the most part, about 98%. your posterior chain (core,lower back, glutes, hams) do the majority of the work in both cases.thats why the best exercises for increasing both are things like squats, deadlifts, lunges etc..your hamstrings alone produce about 40% of your power in jumping (more if your a one leg jumper)and anyone who has ever ran before knows how quick you feel a long stride in your hamstrings. Its also a difference between white and red muscle fibers. So if you have alot of strong fast twitch muscles in those areas chances are your fast and can jump. your not gonna see many guys running a 4.4 and then having a 28 in vert. it just doesnt work that way. this is one argument your not gonna win since its my job and i could post article after article lol

  89. December 23rd, 2007 at 1:53 am

    girllybballluver says:

    MYRIE: Michael Redd over Vince Carter? Hmmm. Really?
    Kevin Martin over Ben Gordon? Don’t you think Gordon is a little more proven that Martin?
    And Tony Parker over Billups. Interesting.

    I HATE Vince Carter, and always have…I would’ve chosen anyone over him.

    Gordon can give you 5 pts just as easily as 30 on any given night. Consistency is key here.

    Personal bias here. I love Parker!! I never really liked Billups’ game. Besides I’m convinced that he and Cassell are aliens.

  90. December 23rd, 2007 at 1:59 am

    girllybballluver says:

    I just read Austin’s choices and he made the same picks. Good night!

  91. December 23rd, 2007 at 3:59 am

    dagwaller says:

    No offense Bron, but as a former sprinter/long/high/triple jumper/hurdler, I know a little bit about this, too. It’s the same reason why there haven’t been a ton of quintuple medalists in the Olympics - similar, but not the same, sorry dude. Obviously it’s the same muscles doing the work, but just because you’re good at one doesn’t mean you’re good at the other. Feel free to check Olympic records - I’m pretty sure you won’t find any quintuple medalists, and rarely will you find any double medalists.

  92. December 23rd, 2007 at 4:14 am

    bron42 aka Global-4A-Reason says:

    I dont know “alttle” about this, I know ALOT lol. Not only am i former all state in football,basketball and track with a D1 college scholarship, I have a degree in it and train pro players and trust me its the same muscles lol. Just because that, doesnt mean your gonna be equally good though. I was just saying your not gonna find many really fast guys who cant jump. does a 4.4 yard dash automatically mean a 40+ inch vert? no, but chances are if your that explosive, your going to be able to jump since its hip dominant.same the other way around, your not gonna find many slow unexplosive guys jumping super high. your hamstrings flex the leg backwards and aid in pulling it forward propelling your body forward (running or jumping). So obviously the stronger your hamstrings are (explosive strength, not asolute strength) the fast your body is propelled forward. Why do you think so many WRs and CBs are fast AND can jump. same with basketball players, theres not many slow guys with crazy hops. again, you arent usually equally good but your not terrible in one and amazing in the other. explosive strength tranlates over to both since theres only a few major leg muscles (hams,quads,calves,low back) so anything involving leg strength would involve those same muscles.

  93. December 23rd, 2007 at 4:26 am

    bron42 aka Global-4A-Reason says:

    quote “speed is critical in determining how high you jump. jump height is determined by how forcefully your muscles contract and how quickly they contract. its not enough to be just forceful or strong, you must be fast too. you can have enough force to life 600 lb but if your moving slow it wont matter”

    so if you have fast strong muscles, you can usually jump.
    its like one of those philosophy class things.
    Jim can jump 30 inches
    In order to jump him you must be fast
    Therefore Jim is fast lol

  94. December 23rd, 2007 at 11:08 am

    doc says:

    this motherfucker bron was all everything but he dont know shit. Dwight the only center over yao. Dirk was consistent enough to get MVP. Nash is why the Suns win. And you didnt go all shit and dont train nobody.

  95. December 23rd, 2007 at 5:35 pm

    dagwaller says:

    Ha. I’m not saying that there’s not a strong corollary - but it’s not speed = jumping, sorry. Again, while you have a strong background in this area, history proves me right. How many NFL players were Olympic sprinters? Jumpers? Maybe a dozen in the last 50 years? Thanks. How many bball players? I can’t think of a single one. Speed doesn’t EQUAL jumping, and vice versa. I respect what you’re saying, but they’re not EQUAL.

    That having been said, Yao isn’t FAST, and his vertical isn’t very GOOD.

  96. December 27th, 2007 at 11:33 pm

    str8baller says:

    Last - swallowing everyone’s scrumptious love nuts

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