NBA / Dec 13, 2007 / 10:31 am
The Golden Child
Got milk?Funny how much attention is being paid to Steve Nash chipping his tooth last night, but it’s been more than two weeks now since he did this, which still hasn’t gotten as much hype. Where’s the attention? The suspension? The fine? Something. You know if that was Ron Artest or Bruce Bowen or even Chris Paul that put the boot to Yao, it’d be a bigger story. If it were Marcus Banks it’d be a bigger story. But Nash is the NBA’s version of a made man. Me, I’m just waiting now for Carlos Boozer to get punished for the inadvertent elbow that cost Nash a piece of his mouth.
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December 13th, 2007 at 10:52 am
Bron42 aka Global4Areason says:
ya i pointed that out back in the “bruce bowen H.O.F” watch and people were sayin how its fine cuz the seens need a mean streak. meanwhile artest would of been done for the season lol
December 13th, 2007 at 10:53 am
Bron42 aka Global4Areason says:
suns*
December 13th, 2007 at 11:02 am
Dime Magazine says:
“suns*” as in “they get away with stuff?”
December 13th, 2007 at 11:20 am
Myrie says:
Let’s face it…Steve Nash could fund a new dog fighting ring and it would be sublime to most sports media people.
December 13th, 2007 at 11:31 am
Tbeezy says:
I watch and follow the NBA very closely and this is the first time i have seen that play. You’re right 90% of the league would have some sort of penalty against them for that kick.
December 13th, 2007 at 11:41 am
Thomas says:
you’ve got to be kidding me. there was nothing malicious there at all on either end. and also you have to look at it within context for of all of the people you named. with that in mind i doubt it would be a story if paul or banks did it. where as bowen and artest have a history of questionable plays.
December 13th, 2007 at 11:45 am
dagwaller says:
Hahahahaha, wow. I never saw that before, but I can’t believe everyone’s making such a big deal out of it. That ranks right around where Horford’s hit does with me – barely even out of the ordinary. Just like Horford, it seemed pretty incidental, in fact more so. When a guy about twice your size falls on your leg, you’re going to push off of him. A couple weeks ago, you guys made it seem like he was laying on the ground waiting for Yao to walk by, then leg whip him. He was watching the ball the entire time, too. Speechless. Hahahaha. I kind of want to go back through a ton of NBA footage now and pick a random time that every single NBA player has done something similar. Maybe we should suspend players for post play or for pushing off when beginning cuts, too. Hilarious.
December 13th, 2007 at 11:45 am
Celts Fan says:
either way, previous history should only determine severity of the discipline, but he should have gotten at least a 1 game suspension.
December 13th, 2007 at 11:48 am
Celts Fan says:
dagwaller, that was nothing like Horford. What Horford did was in the middle of a play, being overzealous trying to make a play.
Nash was on the ground and just kicks Yao, who’d just ran him over trying to set a screen. You can see the intention and you can see how/why Nash was upset enough to kick him. BIG difference…
December 13th, 2007 at 12:00 pm
Thomas says:
i don’t see nash kicking yoa at all btw. i see him pushing off of him at yoa’s hip with his foot to slid out from underneath of him. if nash meant to kick yoa he would have in the leg or knee and there would have been a follow through. and yoa gets up just as quickly as nash, no harm no foul. this is silly.
December 13th, 2007 at 12:01 pm
Thomas says:
of course my opinion is surly invalid now since i misspelled YAO three times…
December 13th, 2007 at 12:07 pm
Bron42 aka Global4Areason says:
lol no way near horford. what i said this last month i said “it was a bitch kick, like when you and your brother fight and your still kicking while people drag you apart” never said it was some chuck norris heel kick. The point is, nash DID blatantly kick yao after flopping on a screen and anyone else would of heard about it. chris paul rocked the kid in the balls we heard about that, kobe and the arm swing, bowen and his foot under the other players etc…we could ALL come up with excuses how those we blown up more than they were but we still heard about it.
December 13th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
Gee aka Young Skippy B. says:
Nash is the new Johnny Stock. He is new and improved and just as sly and dirty. Many may not know or realize but Johnny Stock was a dirty player and that ain’t from me but other players in the L. used to say that bout dude. Nash if you watch him closely does a lot of sly stuff too.
LOL he better be careful though, cause everyone knows Nash doesn’t want any of no one in the L. for real lol, so keep choosing the right one Nash and being careful cause once someone does catch you…..that is yo @$$ Mr. Postman!
December 13th, 2007 at 12:12 pm
Thomas says:
jeez i misspelled a word in a post about misspelling a word. i give up. nash should be suspended for the year.
December 13th, 2007 at 12:29 pm
insanejack says:
Where is the kick?
Nash had a 300lb guy land on his leg and he pushed him off. I don’t know anyone who wouldn’t do the same shit. All you people saying he should be suspended for a play that was so inconsequential that nobody even noticed it, and I had to watch the replay about 10 times to even see it are just hating on Steve Nash because he’s not Chinese.
On a side note, if Yao and Nash had to have a ufc style fight, I believe Nash would win.
December 13th, 2007 at 12:32 pm
JC says:
Funny, we forgot about the Rodman kick too, if we’re talking about people prone to kick. Looking at the play, even if he put a little extra on it, looked like he was using him as leverage to get up and chase the play. He’s been watching too much soccer lately, I guess. Besides, B. Bowen & or Artest (not a kicker, just a tough SOB… maybe a fighter you mean?) have always gotten into kicking incidents with guys they have problems with or at a minimum non pals. Nash kicking Yao means little because arent they friends? Didnt they just do that charity thing in China pre-season? Dont they have the same agent? I’d look at those circumstances 1st before throwing out suspensions
December 13th, 2007 at 12:40 pm
dagwaller says:
EXACTLY, insane and JC. Carlos Boozer shouldn’t get in trouble, Horford shouldn’t get in trouble, and Nash sure as hell shouldn’t get in trouble.
December 13th, 2007 at 12:42 pm
Bron42 aka Global4Areason says:
insane jack, actually a few people noticed cuz the commentators mentioned it and it was on espn first take the next day about how everyone let it slide.
JC: tru artest and bowens history (althought i named a few other guys) plays a part, but if everyone keeps ignoring things nash does (flopping is annoying as shit) then hes never gonna have a “history” cuz hes never held accountable. i mean people are gonna make it like horford hurt tj on purpose or boozer tried to hit nash, but when nash kicks someone its “oh it was for leverage” or “didn’t you see yao ran into nash’s foot, he didn’t kick him”. KG and mcdyss are friends but when they got into it, they both were ejected.
December 13th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
Bron42 aka Global4Areason says:
i just watched it again to be fair but at 3 seconds in the clip, since when is kicking off a guy hard enough that your body slides across the floor not a bad thing? see times like this people are lucky yao aint shaq, or nash woulda had a incredible hulk moment on his hands.
December 13th, 2007 at 1:04 pm
JC says:
Bron, I actually didnt see your posts on other guys, I was looking at the more notorious “bad guys” mentioned in the original post (CP3 & M. Banks aren’t serious statements). Serious question (read: no sarcasm) did KG and McD scuffle? If so you have to eject them. Magic and Isiah were BFFs and they both got ejected for fighting, that makes sense. Its not like Yao jumped up ready for war after Nash did his thing. Its about intent and malice. Assuming they’re cool w/ each other (ESPN also talked about their china thing & played up their friendship), how could anyone assume he’s being foul against Yao? Their charity trip was like 3-4 mos ago. I’m not condoning pushing off for leverage calling it a good thing, just not a suspendable offense. Yes flopping sucks (I WAS a kings fan and hated Vlade for that crap), but its not illegal. I also hate guys who push off but it just annoys me, its not a deal-breaker for being a good player.
December 13th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
Austin Burton says:
I just remembered when Dr. J choked Larry Bird. That was great.
December 13th, 2007 at 1:44 pm
B says:
It looked to me that Nash kicked him in order to free his other leg from underneath Yao. While I’m not sure Artest of Steven Jackson would get the benefit of the doubt, I don’t think this warrants much discussion let alone a suspension.
The play that should have got Nash a suspension/fine is when he intentionally tripped Raymond Felton. That could have caused a much more serious injury and/or cost Felton the rest of the season.
Nash is a great offensive player no doubt, but he still shouldn’t be entering the conversation of top 10 PGs all time. And incidents such as the one with Felton only serve to further tarnish his credentials and reputation in my eyes.
December 13th, 2007 at 1:52 pm
doc says:
He aint even kick him he was trying to push Yao big ass off his leg with his foot to me. Everybody hype every little thing up. Shaq would of did what, Barkley slammed his big bitch ass he aint do shit. Its a difference between balling and fighting fellas.
December 13th, 2007 at 1:53 pm
flyp says:
Wow, can’t believe I only saw this now. I like how Yao didn’t budge on the floor, but Nash slid across instead. lol
December 13th, 2007 at 2:20 pm
Gee aka Young Skippy B. says:
LOL someone needs to punch Nash in the chest and just stand their and wait for him to react.
He gone run up in their face and be like “What the f#$# dude?” LOL and that will be all.
He’s lucky it wasn’t Chris Childs, ask Kobe LOL.
December 13th, 2007 at 3:01 pm
Bron42 aka Global4Areason says:
doc: shaq went at it with barkley and they were rollin on the ground and he almost punched a hole in brad miller. my point was, your not gonna straight up kick shaq and get away with it, leverage or not.
JC: actually if you watched the game, yao went over to him and they had alil back and fourth (I personally don’t kno what was said). My point being, this isn’t the first thing nash has done. Like its been pointed out, john stockton was dirty player but it gets overlooked cuz its john stockton. this isn’t the first cheap/dirty thing nash has done. and technically, flopping is supposed to be illegal this year, they just dont call it like they said they would.
Gee: everyone beats up kobe, remember when him and reggie went at it on the scorers table? or what about when tmac body slammed bobby jackson?
let ron artest “push off someone to get them off his leg/leverage” and see what happens.
December 13th, 2007 at 3:12 pm
dank says:
i’ve been saying it for years now…fuck steve nash, he is one of the dirtiest players in the league, and he gets treated like he’s david sterns son.
December 13th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
Phil B says:
ok dime, we get it, you don’t like nash… let’s move on.
December 13th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
dagwaller says:
Ha, thanks Phil
December 13th, 2007 at 5:03 pm
K-Dizzle says:
lol. That’s a kick? Thanks for postin this, Dime. When we talked about it durin Bruce Bowen’s induction, oh sorry, he ain’t gettin in, I thought it was a ‘soccer style kick’, not a ‘get the phuck off my leg cuz I’m damn near 50′ push. I seen Horford slap TJ’s head; seen Reggie Evans snatch Kaman’s jewels, Karl Malone knock out David Robinson and crack Isiah open, but you want a suspension for Nash LOL. I haven’t laughed this hard since y’all had people defendin Steph for the Hall of Fame. It’s nice to know that Dime, Dank, and Bron hate Nash, but be honest with yourselves and say you hate the dude and quit tryin to convince everyone you actually have an honest opinion about his game or play. Over a decade in the league and one push off with his leg and now he’s dirty? You gotta play defense to be dirty and we can all agree Stevie don’t play no defense
OMG!!!lol What phil said and what Dag said. Thanks for the joke tho, it feels like friday already.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:21 pm
Bron42 aka Global4Areason says:
lol we’ll admit we hate nash when you get his nipple out ya mouth and quit gasin him up. I personally don’t hate nash. am I his biggest fan? no but I don’t hate him. I never even said suspend him.
First off, this isn’t the first thing hes done. people just ignore his stuff (the same way your ignoring this) cuz its steve nash. same way people ignored stuff stockton did, yet tons of players in that era will tell you he played dirty. My only problem with this play, is how big it would of been made if it was by bowen or artest or someone like that, hell even kobe. Personally i think thats messed up, but that has nothing to do with my dislike of nash, its more my dislike of the nba playin favorites sometimes.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:24 pm
Bron42 aka Global4Areason says:
p.s: yes its a kick if its enough of a extension and with force where your body slides across the floor lol
December 13th, 2007 at 5:46 pm
K-Dizzle says:
Bron -
please enlighten me with all the other ‘dirty shit’ nash did cuz I don’t see all the other stuff on youtube, unless you mean last season when he crushed Bowen’s knee with his nuts lol. Trust me when I tell you – if gettin Yao off their legs was the first offense for bowen, artest, whoever…you’d never hear about it. It’s just nice to see that dime don’t like certain players cuz bringin up that “Golden Child” article 2 weeks after the fact just reeks of resentment. Maybe some people miss the ‘good ol days’ of Mike Fratello’s Cavs milkin the shot clock but if you don’t like how Nash runs that offense, somethin wrong.
P.s. yeah, Johnny Stock was dirty, but that’s ok cuz he’s the all-time leader in assists and steals, and clutchin and grabbin when the rules allowed for it wasn’t dirty then; the play by play guys used words like crafty and clever lol
December 13th, 2007 at 5:59 pm
Bron42 aka Global4Areason says:
lol first off, yao wasn’t on his legs, cuz if he was, when he kicked him his body would of stays still and not slide away from yao like he was on a sled. Also its not my fault Dime is slow wit their fact cuz i pointed it out the day it happened lol
p.s: tru, but that doesn’t make it ok for nash to do that stuff. he still flops, still holds jerseys, etc..i never said he was the worst player ever, just that people get judged different.
December 13th, 2007 at 6:30 pm
Russ says:
uh, it just looks like he just pushed off him to get up faster as opposed to ‘kicking’ him. same thing happens on every screen that’s set, it’s just people using their arms and not their legs(or leg in this case as yao was laying on the left leg).
you are looking for something that’s not there. yao’s lack of reaction only seems to solidify everything.
not to mention they happen to be friends(nash helps out with some of yao’s charity work in the offseason), making it a kind of silly thought that someone would ‘kick’ their friend maliciously.
move on, surely there is something better to write about.
December 13th, 2007 at 6:45 pm
Bron42 aka Global4Areason says:
you obviously game in late and didn’t read any posts so i won’t dig into it.
a) them being friends doesn’t mean anything cuz in the heat of a moment it doesn’t matter. like i said, mcdyess and KG are friends and the nearly got in a brawl. friendship means lil when its about your team winning.
b)ok, lets say your right, and when you push off with your arm during a screen what is that called? a foul, meaning not supposed to do it.
c)yao’s lack of reaction solidifys it? i could crap in yao’s lunch and chances are he wouldn’t have a reaction. thats how he is. PLUS if you watched the game and not the 10 second youtube clip, you would kno right after it happened yao got up and got in his face…well looked down on him and they had some words.
d)a kick is a kick, no matter what you call it or the reasoning. a push off with your foot is what? a kick. puttin your foot in someone hip to slide away from him and get up faster is what? a kick. fact is he did it. should he get suspended? probably not but lets not make it like it didnt happen meanwhile people are questioning boozers intent to hit nash and thats fine.
December 13th, 2007 at 6:54 pm
Bron42 aka Global4Areason says:
p.s: i love how nash can straight up kick someone (for leverage, to get him up, by accident..watever) and everyone has excuses for it cause its nash. meanwhile in another post people are bashing horford who has been in the nba for what? a week and 1/2 like hes some dirty player for the TJ ford incident when he was faked out on a fast break.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:05 pm
Russ says:
oh bron, here you go again….
-fine, them being freinds has nothing to do with it.
-yes, it’s a foul when people push off on a screen. it’s also a foul when the offensive player pushes off with his off arm to free himself for a jumper. how many times do these infractions occur??? how many times are these fouls called???? they are lucky if they get called HALF the time that they actually happen. especially with star players(witness mj’s shot against the jazz). that one is even wrose because it wasn’t even off the ball….EVERYBODY was watching that play. didn’t hear anyone calling that dirty..or wasting space on a web page to write about nothing. it goes both ways. my point being they are non issues and this whole article was a witch hunt about nothing.
- how do you know what words were said? maybe yao said ‘hey, wanna come over later, the mrs. is makin general tso’s???’ they coulda been messin’ around. that happens more than you think between players and between players and refs….they are just hamming it up for tv. ofcourse if you ever went to a real game and sat anywhere near the court you would already know this.
- oh boy. well, you just called it a push off yourself, way to shoot your argument in the foot there. what do I call a push off with your foot? just what you did….a push off. why is a push off with your feet(foot) any worse than one with your arms? accoring to your logic a push off with your arms would be a swing/punch.
in addition, you don’t slide backwards when you kick….you slide when you push off. it’s one or the other. and if physics says its a push off….well then it’s a pushoff. otherwise the other person would’ve slid or something consistent with being kicked..but that didn’t happen did it?
- I personally never questioned boozers intent(never even saw the play), so I don’t know why you are telling me about it. not to mention dime didn’t waste space trying to figure out what his ‘intent’ was from a game that’s 1 week old. and as far as a I know boozer is not considered a dirty player. although I have seen the occasionally comment he PUSHES OFF for a lot of his rebounds.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:07 pm
Russ says:
and from what i watched on all of the nba tv shows/interviews with players who PLAYED in the game, and most of the posts online…the majority seemed to favor horfords side.
December 13th, 2007 at 8:05 pm
bron42 aka Global4Areason says:
a russ, again reading what you want and ignoring the rest. you should work for the media cuz you take things out of context magically.
a) its not a witch hunt considering no one really made it a big deal. they just made a article, never said he should sit out the season or anything. they just questioned which is what magazines are supposed to do. and i pointed it out the day it happened so i have nothing to do with them being a week late. Like i said, even the morning espn shows were questioning it not to mention around the horn and PTI.
b) I said i don’t know what they said, I just stated that yao get chest to chest or chest to face with nash after it happen. for all i kno they could of said sorry, i was just stating what the youtube clip doesnt show.
c) I personally don’t think it was a pushoff, i was just saying “if you yourself believe it was a pushoff” pushing off is stillll wrong. In addition, you talk physics about how if he kicked he wouldnt move? have you taken science? what happens when on object extends to apply pressure to something it cant move? hit up a kinesiology class. If i’m in a swimming pull and kick off the wall, the force pushes me away. if nash is laying on his back and kicks off the much larger yao, the force would make his body slide away, which it did.
d) i wasn’t talking about you question boozer or the horford incident. actually alot of people said horford didn’t do anything but if you got to the last article on the page theres idiots saying he did it on purpose. once again, all my comments are not revolving around you russ.
December 13th, 2007 at 8:05 pm
bron42 aka Global4Areason says:
pool*
December 13th, 2007 at 8:33 pm
Russ says:
Hey what can I say, you are pretty good at it yourself…but atleast point out one example of something I ignored if you are going to bother saying it.
a) obiously someone really did make a big deal about it if it was still giving them enough grief to write about it two weeks after it happened and devote a whole piece specifically just for that non-incident. not to mention we are up to over 40 posts on the subject. in addition to whining over how much attention boozer got when not one letter of space was wasted on it in today’s smack(rightfully so). had I not watched the game last night, I wouldn’t even have known about it. And actually I watched the last 2 minutes of the second quarter and some of the 3rd, and therefore didnt’ even know it was boozer who was involved until I made it to this discussion. Seems as though the original author gave more attention to boozer than anyone else ever did.
pti and around the horn just needed something to talk about. if that happened in a game tonight you wouldn’t hear a word about it because they would be too busy spending the whole half hour on the baseball report that came out today.
b) so bascially you are saying there was no point to what you said. got it.
c)you essentially summed it up in the first sentence there….your opinion of a kick and many other people’s is different. I can live with that. You just fell apart after that……
Yes I’ve taken science classes. I actually even have a college degree and work in the real world with said science classes. And because of that I know that physics is “the science that deals with concepts such as force, energy, mass, and charge.”….
…..and that kinesiology is “the scientific study of the anatomy, physiology, and mechanics of body movement.” and therefore has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. It also happens to be the particular science field that pays all of my bills…so I think I know a little about it.
Now go swim some laps in you imaginary pool while you marinate on that ill-advised argument of yours.
December 13th, 2007 at 9:07 pm
bron42 aka Global4Areason says:
a)no one made a big deal..they wrote a article like they were supposed to..not big fuss, no boycott, nothing, they asked how we felt about it. the reason theres 40+ is cuz people like me and you go back and fourth, hence the article was a success.
b) see this would be the perfect example of the media skills by you. the comment had perfect reasoning. person A says: yao ignored it cuz their friends. I stated: actually yao got in his face after but I admit i don’t kno what he said. so it could have been anything from sorry to ya well next time i’m beatin your ass. well never kno, but yao obviously noticed it to get in his face RIGHT after it happened.
c) as a pro trainer i have taken kinesiology and have a degree too, the reason i mentioned it was because “push”ing off something would cound as body movement. and if it pays your bills, to say him pushing off a object with much more mass than he has, he wouldnt move? thats 6th grade science let alone college. it doesn’t take a formula to kno, if something small kicks/pushes off something bigger, the small object moves. hence nash kicking off yao and his body sliding. no matter if its a pool, throwing a ball at a wall anything. hows it go, every action there is a opposite reaction? so the kick would be the action, nash sliding back would be the reaction since yao is heavier? so have fun with those bills.
December 13th, 2007 at 10:14 pm
bron42 aka Global4Areason says:
ya kno what, how come everytime you comment at me russ, we completely get off topic…case in point, nash kicked yao in order for it to be consider kicking/pushing off. that much is obvious. if actions should be taked after that is anyones opinion. later
December 14th, 2007 at 2:09 am
dagwaller says:
I guess MY main point, for what it’s worth here (nothing, just like everyone else’s, obv) is that yea, he kicked him. But it wasn’t in a way that merited any extra discussion or in a way that implied malice, and Dime is just stirring shit up cause they don’t like Nash. This kick was just as much of a suspension-worthy offense as a standard pushoff, but it SEEMS bigger because kicks happen much less often than “punches” in the form of pushoffs. Russ, maybe you’re thinking the same way…
December 14th, 2007 at 2:47 am
K-Dizzle says:
What was the point of this article? All Dime readers are pretty polarized on Nash includin the mag itself. This feels like Benzino rippin on Eminem in the Source. Fine; let’s call it a kick. Horford’s been suspended, no suspension for Nash and none for Boozer. Right back where we started…….Bron, Dime and Dank rippin on Nash, comparing him to players he shouldn’t be compared to and everybody else tryin to balance the argument.
Let’s move on, Yao wasn’t kicked and this is gettin embarrassin. Don’t create controversy where there ain’t none
good night
December 14th, 2007 at 7:38 am
bigdre says:
gotta take care of your golden boy, especially coz his white. there’s a lotta nash lovers here. if you don’t think that & the felton-trippin thing was intentional, you’re just biased.
i don’t know why he was so pissed with that horry bump when he pulls off shit like this.
December 14th, 2007 at 10:41 am
Doc says:
Yao and Nash were smiling when Yao got in his face. And mostly every player did some dirty shit before who cares.