The other day we had the Charles Barkley vs. Tim Duncan debate on the site while trying to pick our power forward for the Greatest Team of All-Time. I took Duncan then, and while I still would take Duncan now, after watching this clip I’ll admit I had kinda forgotten how good Chuck was back in his day. When he was in shape and had wheels, Barkley was a problem for the rest of the League.
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April 16th, 2008 at 8:53 am
Miro says:
First
p.s.
Jamison’s jewels get pinged:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ebItw0Gpm50
April 16th, 2008 at 8:53 am
K Dizzle says:
sorry, tim. great player, fundamentally the best and a winner, but i gotta say this, I’m just a fan and basketball is still entertainment and it will never become a business to me so chuck was just more fun to watch cuz you never knew what he was gonna do but he had fun doin it
April 16th, 2008 at 8:58 am
Sam I Am says:
Barkley was crazy and he still is…Go GINOBILIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII !!!! lol he’s funny
April 16th, 2008 at 8:58 am
yoda says:
hes not PF, hes strongest guard that ever played this game. one of my favorite players of all time.
April 16th, 2008 at 9:01 am
Prof. TX says:
Barkley has also become one of my favorite commentators. He’s one of the only ones that’s honest, and will tell things they way they really are. That fan appeal has helped his legacy, but shouldn’t diminish how good his game was. The ’round mound of rebound’ was always good for 20-10 on any given night, something only five or six guys can really say this year and not too many can say that for long stretches.
Can you imagine Duncan doing a halftime show or calling a game? Tim’s a great player and all, but I can’t imagine sitting through that show without my brain going numb.
April 16th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Amar says:
barkley was great, but malone owned him (like Deron ows CP3 in head-to-head . . . you can’t be the outright best of your generation if someone always killed you)
April 16th, 2008 at 9:07 am
Constable Goon says:
Amar,
You’re tripping. Barkley didn’t have Stockton giving him the ball. Barkley was undersized at 6′4! People forget that.
Everyone says D. Will owns C.P…..Williams is nasty but he has a better supporting cast. Chris Paul TURNED David West into an All-Star.
I would take CP over D. Will 10 times out of 10.
April 16th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Tom says:
Barkley vs. Duncan for best PF? So where are you putting Garnett, SF?
April 16th, 2008 at 9:22 am
rangerjohn says:
barkley loses no mater what, all flash and no substance. he was not a winner and if your going all time you HAVE to take a winner. barkley could not win with great players like hakeem, and clyde, duncan has had some great players with him, BUT the key is the win.
oh and barkley had that dang PORN STASH on his upper lip, that is an automatic 4 PPG deduction putting td up on ppg over the round mound of rebound.
April 16th, 2008 at 9:27 am
rangerjohn says:
@tom
garnett is a great player but he has been the “best player on bad teams” which can inflate numbers also.
his averages are very nice but he is not in the class of duncan. duncan does sooooo much more to make his teammates better, and the rings show for that, not to mention who would rather have the ball with 1 second less, garnet or duncan. duncan ALL THE WAY. garnett doesnt want the ball with 1 second, that is his biggest knock, he is not a clutch player when the game is on the line.
April 16th, 2008 at 9:36 am
doc says:
I hate Amar a Utah fan but I said yesterday that he not better than Duncan and Malone DID used to own his ass in the clutch.And stop making excuses for Chuck. He played for a bad Sixer team for like 2 years.The Suns had KJ who if yall remember wasnt chopped liver. Then after he couldnt beat H-town when Mike fell back for a couple he jumped on Keem coatails and didnt they have Drexler,if he didnt retire already,Pip and the Dream.Thats when Scottie came out and said he could see why Chuck aint win.He def top 5 PF of all time but 1 is stretching it.He good peoples though.When I was like 9 or 10 I went to some golf shit with my friend pop Barkley and Mike was playing.I ran on the course to get they autograph and a guard got in my way,Chuck said let him through and signed my shit.Mike told me he got me after the 18th hole and when he finished the last hole he just started haul assing to the locker. Some old white lady started chasing and calling him then she fell and started crying.Mike turned around picked up her paper signed it and kept on haul assing.I thought he was a prick for lieing to me like that and always used to say fuck mike barkley my man.Until he started getting them rings and it was MJ mania.
April 16th, 2008 at 10:01 am
JA says:
0:47 - dunks on a guy and then throws the ball at him when he’s down.
1:07 - blocks a guy and then yells at him when he’s down.
1:09 - runs by a guy and elbows him in the chest.
1:24 - dunks the ball then tries to knee a guy in the head.
2:56 - tries to fight Scottie Pippen
3:06 - is he actually trying to start something with Ewing? in an allstar game?
3:12 - fighting with Bill Laimbeer
3:18 - fighting the Hawks mascot?
Plus I recall him fighting Shaq, and maybe Rodman and the Mailman?
Chuck is the man … but definitely NOT A ROLE MODEL.
April 16th, 2008 at 10:48 am
Kudabeen says:
That was a great video:
I would take Barkley as my Forward, because heart is at the core of winning. I’m not saying that Tim Duncan doesn’t have heart, but Duncan is not the best emotional leader. He doesn’t rally the troops in the same way barkley did. Barkley never really have a championship level team to compete with. I guess it’s about what you value. I understand how unbelievable it is to get a ring, but I don’t think that’s what makes a player great. That makes them a part of a great team/organization.
Barkley was more than a problem, he was a Terror on the courts. He intimidated the competition and pulled his teams in to contention regardless of talent. Duncan has 6 inches on him and the only advantage you can say he has on Barkley is shot blocking. He was typically outmatched in size around the basket, but he was never outmatched in determination and heart.
I’d take Barkley over Duncan or Malone any day of the year. A team needs a heartbeat and Barkley had all you needed. It would have been great with to see in a duo situation. When has he ever had that complimentary star/HOF? How many championship teams have there been with only one HOF caliber player? I can’t think of any…
C: Wilt - Best Center Ever Period. Mythical ability and accomplishments, but there is proof that they were actually done. Still people acts as if he was really just a myth…
PF/SF: Barkley - Best Power Forward Ever. Tenacity doesn’t began to describe Barkley. He did it all with force at his size, which was just incredible…
SF:PF: Bird (Pippen my Fav) - One of the greatest showmen and closers ever. And he rebounded (10 per game) and maned his position. He was all out killer on the court.
SG: MJ - No need for words
PG: Isiah Thomas - Regardless of present day short-comings. Isiah was one of the greatest packages of playmaking prowess ever. I know people will look at Magic, but magic had two or three plus HOF players with him throughout… Isiah was every bit of playmaker and he made guys better…
Having said that, we are watching the future best PG right now if health permits. Chris Paul is the best ‘Floor General’ in the league. People under value the fact that he battles in the paint and rebounds his position better than most.
April 16th, 2008 at 10:58 am
doc says:
Clyde,The Dream Scottie Pip.How many HOFers u need.
April 16th, 2008 at 11:02 am
K Dizzle says:
damn, doc
you actin like they wasn’t one john stockton 30 foot bomb from goin to the finals….to get crushed by mike
April 16th, 2008 at 11:37 am
jaceofspades says:
yea.. i dont think barkley is the best pf of all time.. but if i was puttin together the team of all time greats.. he’d definitely be on it at the 4 spot. magic, mj, bird, barkley, wilt. as far as passion and heart for the game. barkley over duncan by far for me.
April 16th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Amar says:
Constable Goon — you are full of it. Look at the boxscores in games between Barkley and Malone. People talk like Stockton makes people in amazing people, if that’s the case, how come Ty Corbin, Thurl Bailey and Mark Eaton aren’t HOF candidates?
Karl still got his when Stock was injured. Most people judge malone’s career based on the two worst playoff performances of his life, which happened to be in the most important playoff appearances of his life. His body of work leading up to that is near flawless. He’s a two time MVP, a two time ASG MVP, a two time gold medalist. He’s 2nd in total points, and used to get 30-10 games like Charles used to get stints on the injured list.
As for Dwill/CP3 — so I guess it’s the fact that Dwill is playing with Boozer and Okur that makes CP3 shoot 35.4% from the field, and Deron shoot 54.3%? Get out of here. CP is playing with so many 1st round picks (Tyson Chandler is a high dp), Deron plays with a bunch of 2nd round guys. Tyson shoots an amazing percentage, inhales boards and blocks shots. Deron plays with a three point shooting bigman who avg. 7 rpg. NOR has two all-stars, and another former all-star in Peja (simply one of the best shooters in his era). David West is an all-star, and downplaying his ability is folly.
I love the spin that CP3 has no team mates, and that Deron has such great ones, or whatever. And that CP3 gets credit for making his team better, but Deron doesn’t, for doing the same stuff on the court.
IF CP3 is so bad, then why can’t he own Deron like he owns Nash, Kidd and all the other good PGs in the game? Surely you can’t spin that CP has worse team mates than all of those other teams do — one wonders how a team filled with CP and garbage can win so much, when *apparently* all the other teams in the L have better talent. You are a joke, and bring something to support your points instead of infantile conjecture and idolitry.
April 16th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Amar says:
btw, my stats are taking from their head-to-head games. (7 games over the last 3 seasons, 8-2 for utah if you were wondering)
April 16th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Amar says:
Karl’s Career: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/malonka01.html / 25 ppg, 10 rpg, 4 apg, 1.4 spg (1469 games)
Charles’ Career: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/barklch01.html / 22 ppg, 12 rpg, 4 apg, 1.5 spg (1073 games)
Karl played in almost 40% more games.
April 16th, 2008 at 11:48 am
GEE...Life imitates art and art imitates....Deeeezzz nutzzz! says:
Barkley was simply put, the Patrick Ewing of the power Forward position. A great outstanding player, but never able to get it done.
I think most will say Patrick was not the best center ever, so also in that regard Barkley was not the best and not even second best PF in the L. He was awesome though.
April 16th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Amar says:
seeing how a lot of the younger cats never saw him when he was young . . . here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usdpMbRvoH8
April 16th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Jim says:
You take Barkley because “heart is at the core of winning”
What?
That’s like e-street mad libs. Duncan is at the core of winning, obviously. I love Charles, but you can’t seriously make any argument just based on Charles being more of a winner than TD.
April 16th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Jim says:
And good comparsion Gee. I love love loved him as a player, but I mean the highpoint of his career was probably that shot over David Robinson in 93…see? Only Suns and Spurs fans remember that. Damn you Chuck!
April 16th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
yallallreadyknow says:
not even close. gotta take barkley over duncan.
…but charles is dead wrong about that role model shit he tried to pull. nah nigga, you a big role model. dont try to hide from your duties
…all that money, puss and fame; shit…the least u can do is be a role model
April 16th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
johnsacrimoni says:
Based on accomplishments and longetivity you probably would have to go 1. Timmy, 2. Karl and 3. Chuck. But based on pure talent, there’s no question in my mind Barkley’s the best “PF” ever. As for current point guards: 1. D-Will, 2. CP3, 3. Nash.
April 16th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Kudabeen says:
I need more than HOFers that are on their last legs… That’s how many…
April 16th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Ross says:
Still Duncan.
April 16th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Kudabeen says:
Chris Paul:
PPG 21.1
RPG 4.0
APG 11.6
SPG 2.7
BPG 0.1
FG% 0.488
FT% 0.852
3P% 0.365
MPG 37.6
Deron Williams:
PPG 19.0
RPG 3.0
APG 10.6
SPG 1.1
BPG 0.3
FG% 0.508
FT% 0.803
3P% 0.392
MPG 37.5
Just in case…
Deron is a great PG, but you can’t guard him when you have to run through so many picks. His big men (Memo All-Star), (Boozer All-Star) are big guys. They set great picks and have the ability to roll or fade. You have to respect them, so you can’t double off of picks against Utah, Deron definitely eats up his comp. That’s is not a knock on Deron, he is a beast out there. For me though I judge a PG on how they run things… For my money Paul is a better general. How many seasons was Tyson and West balling like this before being paired with Paul? and if we are going to undervalue Paul’s effect on West and Tyson’s confidence to do what they do on the court, then we should also note that Steve Nash is vastly overrated. He didn’t turn Amare and Marion into All-stars…
Deron should me a lot in last year’s playoffs, but I go on what the actual player in the league are saying… Paul is not just better stat-wise, but he has that allusive Aura of leadership that guys gravitate toward, which works to increase confidence and swag (e.g. West, Tyson). Paul routinely tells West “you’re my guy”, “we need you to dominate”… If Jacque Vaughn says that to you, I don’t think it will have the same effect…
Either way, They are both putting up amazing numbers at the point guard position to be so young.
April 16th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
doc says:
How were they on they last legs.Hakeem was coming off back to back chips,Clyde might have been but he didnt have no problem the year before,Pip went to Portland AFTER that and was a beast on the team with the best record out WESt. So save that shit.Barkley a beast and all yall keep talking talent but Im talking on the court.They said Sugar Ray Richardson was one of the most talented.Its a lot of dudes with talent that failed we could go on all day naming them.But the name of the game is the ring and if you dont get that you aint the best period.Yall keep making excuses to justify how he better than Timmy when the truth is yall just like his game better because it had flair and excitement and u think Duncan is boring.Be a man and say that dont BS the board.When Chuck was on the Suns he had a squad also.And he had a squad on the Sixers in the beginning so cut it out.
April 16th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
doc says:
Kuda if you listen to what guys in the league say you should know Duncan is the greatest 4 man ever.And if you think he dont show emotion watch a playoff game against your favorite team when he black the fuck out on D in the 4th and dont let nobody do shit.Just like them other FOUR times.
April 16th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
yallallreadyknow says:
shawn marion and amare stoudmire turned steve nash into an mvp. nash aint do shit for them except increase their overall FG%. nash wasn’t shit before he got paired with them; but they were studs before nash got to ‘zona.
as for deron williams and chris paul. its a wash and it dont matter. if they switched teams…the results will be the same. they would put up the same numbers individually, and so would their teammates and so would the team overall in win/loss.
it really dont matter btwn them two. they give u the same thing…all the time
April 16th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Amar says:
Anyone who says that DWill is better than CP3 is out of their mind. Just look at this seasons’ numbers. On the same page, anyone who says that CP3 is vastly better than Deron is someone who doesn’t watch utah jazz games and just listens to what the major media outlets say.
The big debate, of course, would be how would their careers looked so far if CP3 was playing SG for the first half of his rookie season under rookie-hater Jerry Sloan, while Deron was given the keys to the car in New Orleans? CP can do whatever he wants on the court because they don’t have a system — so what happens on the court appears to be a product of his ‘leadership’. On the other hand, Sloan has Deron running the same sets that Green used to run back when Stockton was a 3rd year pro who was still comming off the bench.
As a result, what Deron does appears to be because of the system, and what CP does appears to be because of his skill and ability. If their roles were reversed, the big ‘what if’, would be something to see.
CP can gamble more on D and thus, get more steals, because he has Tyson backing him up. (Like Stockton used to do when they had Eaton blocking 4+ bpg in the 80’s) Deron can’t do that, because he has Okur and Jarron Collins patroling the paint.
One FACT exists, Dwill has smoked CP in head-to-head in the pros.
April 16th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
doc says:
Nash helped they field goals and got them out the lottery.Remember Marion and Amare aint make it the year before he got there.
April 16th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
yallallreadyknow says:
doc
winning chips dont mean shit to me. its like being an allstar. nice, but so what?
u cant pick a player being better than another because of championships. thats the last reason.
jacque vaughn has a chip…does that make him better than kevin johnson?
memhet okur has a chip…is he better than patrick ewing?
antoine walker has a chip….is he better than dirk nowitki?
steve kerr has 5 chips….does that make him better than john stockton?
…see. championships do not define ur greatest nor impact.
if u like duncan over barkley, fine; i’ll grant you that. but ur reasoning should be better/more than duncan has rings
April 16th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Kudabeen says:
Jim:
I remember the games where those Spurs teams were on the ropes… there was guys by the name of Avery Johnson, Jarvis (sp) Jackson, Robert Horry, Ginobli, who willed the team through… Duncan is a great steadying force, but for my taste I need my best player to be my team’s heartbeat. Barkley gave that.
No where in my response did I say Barkley was more of a winner than Duncan, because I know that there are people who will use rings as a case for talent…My point was Barkley was a leader and a cheerleader for his team…
We clearly respect different things. I like my best player to ignite… Someone called Barkley a guard, but he put up similar stats as Duncan (outside of blocks)…To me talent-wise and performing as the best player/leader on your team I go with Barkley… It’s not about counting wins for me, because really, would we be talking about a loser? They are all winners, because they compete at the highest levels there is…
I’ve never seen Barkley shook in a game…I’ve seen Tim look quite ‘Timid’ in a number of games…I respect Duncan, I remember him stepping up to Shaq in a time where people just didn’t do that on the court to go on and Sweep a great Laker team…Respect him immensely, but Barkley has my vote as the best guy at being THAT guy for his team at the Forward position…
April 16th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
rangerjohn says:
well i dont know what the point of argueing dwil and cp and nash on a thread about CHARLES BARKLEY VS TIM DUNCAN is.
i hate to say it but i have to agree with doc, if you think chuck has mopre heart then duncan you are kidding yourself. duncan is one of the most winning oriented players EVER, m=no mater what possition/player. he has the drive and i believe someone said a while ago about him being a cyborg with 700 post moves, he is emotionless UNTIL HE PICKS THAT TROPHY UP. he is a very likable guy off the court and is actually pretty funny guy but people outside SA dont get to see that. people hate him because he is “boring” but his boring brings rings. chuck was fun to watch but when it came down to it, he is not a winner, he is the AI of the PF spot imo a great tallent but will/could never get it done no mater who is there to help. duncan got it done with different people on his team 3 of 4 titles.
April 16th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
rangerjohn says:
jim i ask this, who would you rather have on the floor when the game is on the line barkley or duncan? most people go duncan 9 out of 10 times and i agree with that.
barkley could get you close but he generally was not a game winner fire/excitement aside he didnt win games like duncan can. think about this, the spurs where .4 seconds from going 3-0 on the lakers in 2004 because duncan to/hit a great shot on an inbounds pass that he had ZERO hesitation on. if chuck where on that team he would not have even been the 1st option on that pass. it was only a lucky shot by fisher for the win that sank that season.
April 16th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
GEE...Life imitates art and art imitates....Deeeezzz nutzzz! says:
you have to go with Duncan. Plus Duncan can go 4 or 5 easy. Barkley was strickly a 4. Sure he may have guarded some 5’s but all truth he was a 4.
Anyway Barkley should most def. be a coach. I am still on that. I am saying, it would be the funniest and craziest thing to date. Cause we all know Barkley wouldn’t give to much of a f^&* about other coaches, players, fans or even the owner.
New York you really want to get even more press make Barkley the coach. I guarantee they will be the hottest team out regardless of record just cause he the coach. Front page press everyday lol.
April 16th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
yallallreadyknow says:
rangerjohn
barkley lost in the finals to michael jordan. no shame in that. if ya gonna lose, at least u wanna lose to the best.
with that said…you should re-think the comment of saying chuck barkley is a loser and someone who could never get it done.
…and oh yeah…chucky b has hit more game winners than timmy d
April 16th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Myrie says:
GEE–
Haha! Barkley coaching in NY. That would be hysterical. Imagine a press conference after a home loss:
Q: So coach, what was the reason for the team coming out flat in the 1st quarter to start the game?
BA: I took the team out to Hunts Point last night
April 16th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Kudabeen says:
doc:
My point is we knew the caliber players Marion and Amare were before Nash got there. It’s not about the team getting better. Steve Nash made the team run more fluidly of course that’s why he is recognized as one of the best at the position. He didn’t turn Amare or Marion into the players that they are, because they showed it before he was on the team. Marion was an All-star. Amare avg damn near 20 and 10 before Nash got there, but they won more, so with that comes recognition. Team success is the reason why Nash is who he is.
But again I help with comprehension: My point was that if the argument against Paul is that Tyson and West were already the caliber of player they are now before they played with Paul, then let’s us the same criteria with all top PGs.
And with regard to snapping about Hakeem and Clyde not being in the twilight of their careers, how many Chips and seasons were they playing at that level after that last Chip that they barely won Over a better, but more inexperienced Orlando? Also what the hell does that have to do with Barkley? They lost in the playoffs as a team, but you try to twist that into it being Barkley’s fault.
1996/1997
Barkley played 53 games that season and struggled with injuries throughout his time with Houston.
Clyde played 62 games after only playing 50 or so games the season before, but got his health together for a Chip run…
Hakeem was the only one out of the Trio to still be balling at the near top of his game…Drexler and Barkley had injuries and wouldn’t make another All-NBA team or All-star team as their careers wound down. That’s what I mean by last legs clown…
That year Houston played well and had two tough series in the Playoffs (two gamed 7s against a really good Sonics and a Better Utah (64 wins)
That year Barkley came to the Rockets wasn’t going to be successful no matter what, because Utah and Sonics were the dominant West Teams and the Bulls weren’t letting anyone get a Chip!
As far as people in the league saying Duncan is the best ever, great…That is wonderful, but Barkley was all over the court while Duncan manned the paint. I’m taking Barkley period because he was havoc on the court…What is the rest of your word for? They mean nothing to me…You are an underling…I have no need to debate my preference, but you will not get away with using inaccurate stats and hearsay as a means to solidify your argument.
Get your stuff together clown, before you start snapping at the mouth…I’m not the dude…
April 16th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
GEE...Life imitates art and art imitates....Deeeezzz nutzzz! says:
Myrie I know that would be the funniest thing ever. I am telling you no matter who he would coach I would automatically become a fan, not over Houston though. Chuck is crazy. He just say ish clealy without thought a lot of times. Then once he realizes it’s out there, he is just like whatever. Funny dude.
April 16th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Kudabeen says:
Again I will say Duncan is one of the greatest forces to ever play the position…I never said he was boring or that I hate him. I really enjoy watching Tim play. I just know that Ginobli/Parker are the game changers more often then not on these Spur teams. Yes we can attribute that to Duncan’s ability to put ego aside and let other guys shine, but that’s not what we are talking about…
What does it mean to be the best? Is it Chips, Talent, How you match up to others playing a similar position, or jersey sales?
It doesn’t really matter in the end, because like I said they are all winners. I don’t think Bill Russel, Jordan, Barkley, Bird, Thomas, Duncan, and all the games greatest ever sit around arguing about who’s better than who…They all know how good they were/are…
I don’t need to BS anybody (doc), because what I feel is what I feel and stand by it. I don’t need to be a blog-thug to get a point across… you are a funny dude…
April 16th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
kragler says:
Uh, Duncan has rings, but he never beat Malone in a playoff series.
As far as Barkley vs. Karl. Karl was the better player. He was more reliable, especially later in their careers. Recall Malone’s final season, with the Lakers, it was Malone’s play on Duncan that put LA in the Finals. And if he hadn’t gotten hurt, he would’ve been on ‘Sheed and had his ring by now.
Simply, Malone defined the position.
April 16th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Jim says:
If Ivan Drago’s handlers had been trying to create the perfect 4, they would have come up with Karl Malone instead. The size, skill, and athleticism make him the absolute prototype. He could have even stood over Isiah and said “If he dies, he dies.”
But at the end of the movie, the short guy is still standing, bleeding all over the place and ending the cold war. (Some of yall cats aren’t old enough to remember the cold war) They should have a statue of Chuck outside the Philadelphia Museum of Art (which is a good $5, by the way) instead.
April 16th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
johnsacrimoni says:
Uh, Doc, Houston “barely” beat Orlando in ‘95? Last time I checked they swept them with Hakeem thoroughly dominating Shaq the entire series. Also, for whoever said Marion and Stoudemire “made” Steve Nash’s career, Nash was 3rd team All-NBA while in Dallas.
April 16th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
rangerjohn says:
i dont think anyone said chuck was a “LOSER” just that he did not have success, he did not get his team over the hump, and while i contend i would rather have duncan take a game winner before barkley, the true sign is that duncan HAS NOT HAD TO TAKE THOSE SHOTS the duncan era spurs have been more dominant then any team barkley has been on. history prooves this with only 1 team having more 55+ game winning seasons and chuck was on ZERO of those.
barkley was all over the floor but duncan has better “D” and doesnt need to get all over the floor.
and in 2004 playoffs, the spurs where again .4 seconds and one lucky fisher shot from going 3-2 on the lakers, and malone didnt do all that mutch to slow duncan really, TD averaged 21 points, 12.2 rebounds, and 3.4 assists to go with about 3 blocks in the 2004 series whith malone averaging barely around 10 points, 6 rebounds about 2 assists and maybe a block. the key to that lose had nothing to do with malone and duncan but the flop of tony parker and his youth
April 17th, 2008 at 3:54 am
doc says:
John that was Kuba talking about he got stats with that bullshit not me fall back.And if we getting a statue in Philly Chuck 4th behind Doc,Wilt,and AI.