Standing Tall and Ticked (photo. Mannion)Cue another summer of the Phoenix Suns (secretly) and their fans (very publicly) blaming the refs and whatever other straws they can grasp onto while trying to come to grips with another heartbreaking playoff exit. You could say last night’s game hinged on a few crucial calls/no-calls, most of which went San Antonio’s way. One of the bigger ones happened when the Suns were down by two with about 25 seconds left and Bruce Bowen attached himself to Steve Nash like a hookworm, forcing Nash to bobble the ball out of bounds. Did Bowen get a hand on the ball? Yes. Did it also clearly touch Nash last before going out of bounds? Yes. But still there was Nash going into Al Pacino overacting mode, saying it should have been Phoenix ball. In addition to that, Amare and Shaq had some not-so-subtle negative reactions to a few questionable calls made against them down the stretch (like when Tim Duncan tripped over his own feet but the ref waited until he fell down to call a tripping foul on Shaq) … At the end of the day, though, the Suns can only blame themselves. It was Nash (11 pts, 3 asts, 5 turnovers) who all of a sudden went cold and seemed to panic during an important stretch in the fourth quarter, missing shots and turning the ball over. It was Boris Diaw (22 pts, 8 rebs, 8 asts) who threw a pass over his shoulder to the Spurs bench for a backbreaking turnover. It was Amare who didn’t go to the rack with his usual aggressiveness, being hesitant when Kurt Thomas or Fabricio Oberto stood in his way. It was Shaq who went 9-for-20 from the line … Tony Parker (31 pts, 8 asts) was eating other people’s lunches in the first half, then cooled off for a while before turning into a superhero again in the fourth quarter, knocking down huge shots, making the right passes time and time again, and coming up with some big defensive plays when San Antonio needed it. He was good enough to help offset a mostly terrible game by Manu (8 pts, 2-for-11) and early shooting troubles from Duncan (29 pts, 17 rebs) … Next up for the defending champs is a date with Chris Paul, who personally closed the door on the Mavs — and perhaps Avery Johnson’s tenure as their coach — by recording his first playoff triple-double: 24 points, 11 boards and 15 assists. And zero turnovers. Jason Terry started out sticking CP full-court, but that didn’t rattle him at all as N.O. ran about 618 pick-and-rolls and pick-and-pops to create space, and the Mavs just never figured out how to defend it. And when CP wasn’t lighting them up, Jannero Pargo came in and dropped 17 off the bench … Even though Dirk Nowitzki and Terry shot a combined 12-for-32, Dallas still clawed its way back to make it a four-point game with 30 seconds left. And if Brandon Bass had gotten that putback and-one opportunity to drop, it would have been a whole different ballgame. But that play, plus Tyson Chandler’s tap-back offensive board at the end, sealed it. They say it’s a game of inches … Say what you will about Dirk (22 pts, 13 rebs, 6 asts), but he wanted that game badly. One time the ball had been knocked straight up in the air near the sideline, and as Dirk and Mo Pete waited for it to come down, Dirk just shoved Mo Pete as the N.O. crowd went nuts wanting a foul. Dirk also played every minute of the game … Jerry Stackhouse was also a little on the overaggressive side, but you can’t really blame him given the circumstances. One time Stack was called for a foul in the backcourt, and while everyone stood there looking around, for whatever reason he reached around Chris Paul to poke the ball out of his hands and basically punched CP in the stomach in the process. David West (25 pts) and Stack then got into it, and Stack was ejected … As good as Josh Howard was during last year’s Mavs/Warriors series — he was one of the only Dallas players who wasn’t shook by Golden State — he was atrocious this time around. Everything Howard seemed to throw up yesterday was a (bad) brick, and when he wasn’t doing that he was totally uninvolved in the offense. It was do-or-die for the Mavs, and Howard was playing like it was December. If he had been making up for it on D that would be one thing, but throughout the series Howard was getting hit up by Peja. Was there something going on that we don’t know about? For the last 10 days it was like Nick Nolte needed to bust into Josh’s room and have a talk with him … Erick Dampier broke the Guinness world record for “Longest Amount Of Time Standing In One Place With Your Arms Folded And A Blank Look On Your Face.” We have a feeling Damp wouldn’t be too broken up if Avery was working somewhere else next year … Before the game Byron Scott was handed the Coach of the Year trophy. Scott got 70 first-place votes, while second-place finisher Doc Rivers got 23. (Pretty sure most Celtics’ fans would cock an eyebrow at that following Boston/Atlanta Game 4.) Rick Adelman finished third, while Mo Cheeks and Phil Jackson rounded out the top five. Out of all the Showtime Lakers, would you have ever guessed that Byron Scott would have the most successful post-playing career within the game? … Chauncey Billups notched 21 points and 12 assists as the Pistons took a 3-2 lead on the Sixers. That’s two games in a row that we’ve seen the “real” Pistons: a team playing with completeness and confidence, crazy fluid offensively with even the youngsters coming off the bench looking like poised postseason vets. Early on it had high Ugly Potential despite Andre Iguodala finally playing a good game (21 pts, 5 rebs, 6 asts, 3 stls); Detroit just had everything working for them. (Even the refs, but we’re not gonna act like that was the difference.) … Rip Hamilton (20 pts) was DESTROYING Willie Green. Just killing him. If and when Green was able to stay with Rip after getting run through the hamster wheel, Rip would just take him off the dribble like he wasn’t even there … The mohawk with the letters carved on the sides wasn’t working for The Dalembeast. He looked like Grace Jones out there … But speaking of mohawks, did you know there’s an “A-Team” movie in the works? The script is updated so that the guys are Iraq War vets instead of Vietnam vets, and we’ve heard that John Singleton is directing, Woody Harrelson is playing Murdock, and Ice Cube is playing B.A. Baracus … Weird that NBA TV had the Sonics announce team — Kevin Calabro and Snapper Jones — calling the Pistons/Sixers game. Consider it a gift for those two, who didn’t get to work a single game between two good teams all year … The Rockets somehow reached back into that bottle of mojo they had during the 22-game win streak, because that was the team we saw last night routing the Jazz. T-Mac dropped 29 points on pretty much everyone wearing purple: he beasted Deron Williams in the post, toyed with Matt Harpring on the perimeter, ran around Ronnie Brewer and served Andrei Kirilenko a hot plate full of jumpers. You also had Rafer Alston hitting big shots, Bobby Jackson looking like Sacramento B-Jax for a minute, and Luis Scola manufacturing 18 points and 12 boards on nothing but hustle and guts. The Jazz simply weren’t ready — was that a byproduct of them not feeling the same sense of urgency as Houston, or was it a reminder that they’re a bad road team? … Hey, did you know that Kevin Garnett is in a new Gatorade commercial? If you haven’t seen it yet, just look at your TV because it’s on EVERY 4 SECONDS. Seriously, the KG ad is creeping into the same territory as “The Closer” and “Tyler Perry’s House of Payne” with the overexposure. Like Pat e-mailed last night, “TNT has made me hate ‘The Closer.’ That show could be the next ‘Sopranos’ and I wouldn’t watch it because they’ve made me hate it so much. (See also: Frank Caliendo).” … The Bobcats introduced Larry Brown as their new coach in a Tuesday afternoon press conference. Flanked by Bob Johnson and Michael Jordan, LB slipped in a few classic self-promoting jabs and never once acknowledged anything related to his stint with the Knicks. And then MJ had to wash Sam Vincent’s blood off his shoes when he said, “I should have been trying to ask [Brown’s wife] one year ago!” when LB joked that wifey was the one calling the shots on what job he would take … In a piece basically detailing how dominant Josh Smith has been recently, we pointed out that J-Smoove has more blocked shots than any player in history through his 22nd birthday (768 rejections, followed by Shaq’s 709). Well, later we came across some more incredible Smith stats. Like how this year he became the first player to block 225+ shots while making 25+ three-pointers in the same season. And only three players this year averaged 20 points and 3 blocks per 48 minutes, with Smith leading the pack over Jermaine O’Neal and Chris Kaman. And only three players have ever averaged at least 17 points, 8 rebounds, 3 assists, 2.8 blocks and 1.5 steals per game in a season during which they played at least 70 games. One was Josh Smith. The other two: Hakeem Olajuwon (four times) and David Robinson (twice). Finally, during this decade, Smith joins Ben Wallace and AK-47 as the only players to have seasons in which they recorded 200+ blocks and 100+ steals. Long story short, the guy is f’n good … We’re out like Avery …
April 30th, 2008 at 3:19 am
marcus says:
numero uno amigos!!!
April 30th, 2008 at 3:27 am
Bank says:
deuce niggaz
April 30th, 2008 at 3:28 am
marcus says:
give j-smoove the royal “dime mag cover boy” prop that’s due his… playa’s got legit freakish game…
April 30th, 2008 at 3:40 am
Duke says:
The entire time, I was laughing at the Suns and Mavericks.
April 30th, 2008 at 4:18 am
Marvin says:
Hey I’m getting goose bumps for the spurs. Aren’t these hornets eerily similar to dallas of 06′ when they beat the spurs in a classic 7 game series? They had speedsters like harris and terry (cp and pargo), forwards with outside shooting like dirk, howard and van horn (west ,peja and peterson), a good rebounding center in dampier (chandler) and a decent bench with stackhouse, diop, marquis, a. griffin etc (bonzi, wright, armstrong, bowen etc). Hopefully this will be a great series.
April 30th, 2008 at 4:21 am
foscheezeeee says:
Suns had numerous chances to win that game last night, but OMG!! They got jobbed about 3-4 times in the last five minutes, I thought the worst call was Amare’s 5th foul when TP jumped into him and totally missed him while falling down and just throwing the ball out of bounds…lol… Say what you want, but SA is the most flopping team of all-time, just watching that game last night validated that. At the same time they are a really good team, you can’t be mad at them though because if the refs is calling it, then I would do it everytime too.
But I can’t front, even though I was a Mavs fan, I am excited to see that second round match-up between N.O. and SA. That’s will be a great match up between CP3 and TP. Both teams play the same brand of b-ball (pick and roll), but the key will be keeping Tyson Chandler out of foul trouble b/c they don’t have depth at that position. Either way it will be a very intruiging series.
I don’t even wanna start with the Mavs yet, so I will wait a little while before I post on them BUMS! I’m going back to sleep..lol
April 30th, 2008 at 4:25 am
djKianoosh says:
Grant Hill.
He usually adds a special dimension to their offense and you never know how this series would have turned out if he had been healthy. But that’s what they get for having to depend on him, unfortunately.
For the Manu haters out there, I will give you this, his kryptonite seems to be early foul trouble. He has too many games where early foul problems bother him the rest of the game. He was awful last night, exept for a few times here and there. (See, I can be objective with him) Duncan and Parker had his back, but he needs to find his shooting stroke quickly against NO.
Chris Paul vs Tony Parker, mmm mmm. as much as that matchup sounds great, the Spurs probably don’t want TP sticking CP at all. “Bruce, sick ‘em.” but beyond that, Paul gave the Spurs real problems in the regular season. Big challenge for the defending champs.
April 30th, 2008 at 4:28 am
djKianoosh says:
btw, great title! LMAO: http://youtube.com/watch?v=NwrL9MV6jSk
April 30th, 2008 at 4:29 am
Diamond Life says:
Matrix Marion is in a beach chair somewhere, laughing his defensive-playing ass off.
Can Tony P or CP3 stay in front of each other? They have to be the 2 quickest in the L. Who’s quicker?
They should get Mr. T to play Mr. T, I assume he could use the work.
April 30th, 2008 at 5:06 am
Flying_Dutchman says:
ahhh just caught up with the KG news, man that ain’t cool of the league to hand out NOTHING to ANYONE.. Even the guys stepping on court. PHX must be pi**ed
April 30th, 2008 at 5:11 am
word says:
god damn bruce bowen. i can’t take the spurs, i want them to all to disappear from the L man. whatever though as long as someone beats their asses this year and they never win back to back titles, I refuse to compare them to any of the previous great dynasty’s.
but seriously, FUCK BRUCE BOWEN !
turnovers and bad shooting by nash killed my team last night. but i don’t blame shaq at all he was a great trade and everyone knows he doesn’t make free throws so I don’t blame him for that, it was Nash and stat I was disappointed in. whatever coach can figure out a way to get this team to the finals will be my hero.
dear god please don’t let SA win again
April 30th, 2008 at 5:11 am
ya boy says:
first off thank you…… HAWKS !!yes the hawks for making this first round series competitive.Never really felt you cats till yesterday.No I’m not on the hawks bandwagon,i’m a die hard laker fan but after that abysmal season, it’s good to see ateam show up like that.It’s the playoffs dammit.Win or lose you guys earned two new eyes for your next season.If the nuggs had even a half of thie intensity the laker series would have been a nailbiter to the finish.BTW Joe johnson was nice.
Frankly, I bet even the refs wanted the suns season over.It’s official this year, they can’t say shyt.thank god that orlando series is over.waste o’ bloody time.much as I love philly’s hustle detroit needs to be done with this already.peace
April 30th, 2008 at 5:13 am
word says:
yea #10 i don’t think anyone should’ve been suspended except the 2 that stepped on court b/c that is straight hypocritical. david stern is wack.
April 30th, 2008 at 5:21 am
Flying_Dutchman says:
yeah thats true (#13) very true. guys who stepped on court should at LEAST be suspended
April 30th, 2008 at 6:10 am
kobeef says:
@word
I can’t believe you are defending shaq’s role in the suns failures. Remeber his first night in PHX when he stood up in front of the home crowd and pointed at his ‘chip ring and the crowd went nuts? The league called your bluff Diesel.
0 Turnovers from CP? That is insane. That kid is the future.
It is weird that Nate McMillian didn’t get any votes for coach of the year. I know his team didn’t make the playoffs but they played great in a season when they were expected to curl-up and die. Remember when they were OWNING the Jazz? Nate was Sloan’s Kryptonite.
SHawn Marioin is a hapy man today feeling fairly proud that despite what his team said, he was not the problem.
Imagine if Nash would have re-signed with the Mavs when he was a free agent. I think that would have been the best move for everyone involved looking back. Nash and Nowitzki probably could have pulled off a chip together.
April 30th, 2008 at 6:11 am
kobeef says:
WOW - BREAKING news
D’Antoni is OUT in PHX
April 30th, 2008 at 6:13 am
YOUNGFED says:
In case you didn’t know dime Hannibal will be played by Bruce Willis in the new A-Team movie. However this news is kinda old and you guys are kinda late. But I guess you probably don’t the resources like the “YOUNG FIZZLE”. lol
April 30th, 2008 at 6:19 am
YOUNGFED says:
@Word
Don’t worry son, K-HOVA and lettin’ SA even get to the finals.
April 30th, 2008 at 6:46 am
Leandro says:
What happened to Jason Kidd? Is he too old now?
http://www.squidoo.com/ChrisPaulDunk
April 30th, 2008 at 7:07 am
Andrew Katz says:
You can never cry about losing ap layoff series becasue of the refs, but the officiating was atrocious. That ball did NOT go off of Nash’s leg. TNT showed one replay, and because the refs got the call clearly wrong, they just moved on. The Nash out-of-bounds play, the Shaq non-tripping foul, and a slew of other fouls on on Shaq went the wrong way.
April 30th, 2008 at 7:22 am
foscheezeeee says:
Katz
I agree with you 100%, the one thing I can say about the Suns is that they showed class after the game and just gave SA the credit (which they deserve to a large degree)
CP3 is just plain nasty, I’m anxious to see what SA will do to slow him down besides sick Bowen on him and let him try his martial arts…lol. But NO bench is aight, SA has more bodies but Pargo aka Mav Killa is playing out of his mind, Bonzi usually does well against the Spurs (especially when he was with the Kings), Julian Wright has been ok, at least he hasn’t hurt them.
I’m thinking if Phoenix lets D’Antoni go, then Dallas need to holla at him asap. He’s a good coach. So is Avery Johnson and if he gets the boot, then he will wind up somewhere soon also I think.
April 30th, 2008 at 7:50 am
YOUNGFED says:
BETCHA DIDN’T KNOW?
There are 11 black coaches out of a possible 30 in the NBA ……………….?
AND
8 of them are in the playoffs!!! Hire more of us as leaders. We can get the job done just as well as any other race.
With that being said. Obama ‘08
April 30th, 2008 at 7:52 am
cbizzle says:
If Sam Mitchell gets the ax, I’m pretty sure D’Antoni is gonna end in Toronto. Bryan Colangelo is up there and that team is tailor-made for D’Antoni. If Avery gets offed, I wouldn’t be shocked if Chicago or Detroit makes a play at him. I think Flip’s days in Detroit are numbered unless he brings a ‘chip or at least a finals appearance. N.O. is looking kinda scary right now too.
April 30th, 2008 at 7:52 am
GEE...While you was in diapers wettin your sheets, I was at the Ponderosa rappin to the beat says:
Houston Up!
Who would have thought that Houston with only 1, count em, 0,1 superstar would still be in it to win it. I mean seriously out of all the West teams, Houston is still in it and not the Suns, Dallas or Denver, all of whom have at least 2 stars!
So then the question becomes is it because Houston is trying harder or that the Jazz or a weaker team than LA, San An and N.O? Just wondering.
Anyway many folks thought Houston would get swept let alone win 1. So now that they have won 2 ya boi is really pleased. Say what you want I am looking for two more wins too!
Wondering if Shaq and Jason Kidd need to take back up roles now. I am thinking that would be a good look for both of them. That or either kissing the game goodbye while they still have nice numbers.
I hate that the Suns had the calls against them, I really do cause that stuff hurts as a fan. Still when you don’t knock down free throws it’s hard to bring that up.
Amazing how this year in college and the L, free throws are really rearing there head. This is the year of the free throw.
Have to think had Josh got busy on O and D like he did against the Rockets a few years back, perhaps Dallas would have had a better chance.
Philly is trying but yea that Mohawk is that nastiest one I have seen in a minute.
I always said Charles Barkley should be a coach cause it would be hilarious. Come to find out he wants well says he is going to be a GM, so who really wants Barkley picking players lol.
Boston should be happy KG can play for the next game. He really needs to watch how he comes in contact with the refs though.
Looks like the Suns will need a new coach. Paul Silas would have them boys right.
Cp and Pargo vs. Parker and Manu…
Duncan vs. Chandler
West vs. Thomas
That is going to be good!
April 30th, 2008 at 8:02 am
BxBaller says:
Are Suns fans gonna blame the refs for last night too? Nash lost that game, 3 turnovers in like a minute. Guess D’Antoni should learn to play more than 6 guys huh. My day is a lot more brighter since PHX is gone. I told you guys before, the Suns have regressed every year. From conference finalsto second round to first round.
April 30th, 2008 at 8:06 am
josh howard 5 says:
Yo man, this is Josh Howard, aka Mr. Eze wit da Bleezy. Y’all wanna know why I ain’t play good? Cause I was waitin for the offseason to roll around so I could roll a little somethin somethin, ya dig?
April 30th, 2008 at 8:07 am
YOUNGFED says:
@Gee
His mowhawk was sweet dude is just uglier than a mutha fuka!!
@Cbizzle
Flip is gone if we don’t get a ring Joey D already done said it.
PS
I was watching the Boondocks last nite after the Pistons game, so I gotta get this out…….
“YOU GONE PAY WHAT YOU OWE N*GGA!!!” -Riley Escobar..lmao
April 30th, 2008 at 8:16 am
Jim says:
Yeah, some bad calls at the end. But the Suns couldn’t get it done when the Spurs had a pretty bad game. And I’m glad the Suns fans aren’t on here whining about the NBA conspiracy against them, and their media-darling team with a White African-Canadian two-time MVP. Quick…when was the last time Suns were eliminated in a game 7? Not on his watch.
I am scared going into this next series, but I am pretty sure Pops is going to dust off the Jordan Rules, since apparently the league doesn’t suspend people anymore.
And speaking of that Gatorade commercial, it says you can either Be History or Make History…Celtics look like they could–like Al Gore said–fall into the little known 3rd category.
April 30th, 2008 at 8:19 am
GEE...While you was in diapers wettin your sheets, I was at the Ponderosa rappin to the beat says:
Glad someone enjoys it Young. LOL
Dude looks like a clown.
Come on Josh we all know you ain’t waiting to no off-season. That is what you told reporters to make it where you are in less trouble. Any real weed head will tell you …there iiiisss no off season. I am sure you have gotten lit before or after the game pimpin.
The truth shall set you free…well perhaps not in Roger Clemen’s case or Mike Vick’s.
Still let’s be honest! lol
April 30th, 2008 at 8:20 am
YOUNGFED says:
Oh almost forgot, Moment of silence for the FALLEN…
R.I.P Sean Bell
“Its a war out here son, all you gotta do is SURVIVE, SURVIVE my brothers” - YOUNGFED
Basketball site or no basketball site this needed to be said and since no one else would say it (DIME) here it is. Real regonize real and this needed recognition.
“Take Dat, Take Dat” - P-Diddy
April 30th, 2008 at 8:25 am
YOUNGFED says:
Mike Vick gets a year for killing Dogs, Killing Dogs
Weslet Snipes gets three years for tax evasion
3 cops shoot a brother 50 times and get nothing. Not even excessive force! Come on really. How?
Check the pattern people, check the pattern.
April 30th, 2008 at 8:27 am
PALakerFan says:
CP’s gonna be tired chasing TP around. The 2 best PG’s in the league going head to head. Spurs in 6.
The Lakers are gonna hammer Houston or Utah.
April 30th, 2008 at 8:44 am
QQ says:
Blame it on the fact that ya’ll (the Suns) can’t play defense. Don’t fucking blame it on the reign.
April 30th, 2008 at 8:56 am
Mustard says:
I love it…for all of those that said this was the Suns series to win, might want to go back a couple of weeks and look at the predictions you posted. Have fun whining now about bad calls…my god its worse than hearing bad beat stories in Hold Em’.
Hornets/Spurs should be a great matchup.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:09 am
one66soul says:
Where’s Ashton?
ZAZA Punked KG
April 30th, 2008 at 9:18 am
marcus says:
come on u cant blame the refs, the suns gave that game away, bad shots, bad turnovers, plus the usually bad d means u deserve to lose
which is too bad cause i hate the spurs, cause of plays like tim duncan tripping over his own feet and getting calls from the refs
April 30th, 2008 at 9:36 am
girlybballluver says:
Chris Paul is in one word Amazing! Paul, D West, and Pargo destroyed the Mavs. It’s beyond impressive…it’s scary. They’re going to give SA all they can take. But I think Gregg Pop and company will win, what will no doubt be a very entertaining and competitive series.
I don’t know why everyone was hatin’ on the Orlando/Raptors series. I watched every game except the 3rd one, and the games were actually pretty good. I’ve never really watched the Raptors play a full game before. I love Dwight Howard…he and CPaul have that I know I’m good, yet humble swagger that’s so great. (was that a girly thing to say?)
I’m proud of the Hawks for not letting the Celtics punk them. I was down right shocked at the way Zaza went at KG. Not too impressed with the way KG handled it though…pushing the ref but not Zaza? Hmmmmmmmmm.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:45 am
Sam I Am says:
YoungFed Screw OBAMA and screw the pattern
You got White Folks doing wrong and doing time
April 30th, 2008 at 9:46 am
MoxWestCoastRep says:
Jesus Youngfed, that did NOT need to be posted here. Politcal commentary on Dimemag.com?? Really??
Can’t wait to discuss the Iraq war and your thoughts on healthcare next!!
Anyway, The Suns are going down as a tragic story, a team load with talent and fun as hell to watch. I wish Nash could have won at least ONE ‘chip. You hate to blame not winning a title on Refs but that ish last year may have cost Stevie his best shot. Its clear his best days are past him and a new breed of great PGs are taking over the L
April 30th, 2008 at 9:59 am
YOUNGFED says:
Yall needed to here it. That shit was wrong. I’m not being political. So when ball players start talking about it will be ok for us to talk about it then. GTFOH.
Pay yall respect people.
Where Myrie at.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:00 am
PALakerFan says:
F Nash and F Kidd. They never won rings cause they were not good enough and had incomplete games. - no shooting for Kidd, no D for Nash. Much better players than these 2 never won rings. Barkley, Stockton, Dominique, Karl Malone and Ewing come to mind. Sentimental chips be damned. If they want to win a title, they need to take monster pay cuts and go to teams like SA, LAL, BOS and be role players. They certainly can’t lead a team to a title. (see Glenn Rice, Mitch Richmond, Gary Payton)
April 30th, 2008 at 10:02 am
girlybballluver says:
Oh my God I’m so tired of people complaining about bad calls from the refs. ALL the superstars get calls like the one Duncan got last night. It happens ALL THE TIME…especially for the star at home. I’m not saying it’s right, just that by now you’d think people would get used to it…refs make bad calls, and give stars a lil extra lift at times…Get Over It. I acknowledge that it’s a problem, the refs shouldn’t be able to decide games that way, but we all know it happens.
I watch Ultimate fighting all the time, and fighters NEVER want the fight to go to decision, it can go either way when it’s up to the judges. Players and coaches have to have that knockout or submission mentality when they’re trying to finish games…just like a fighter trying to finish a fight.
That’s why Gee’s idea about a coach’s challenge is such a good idea.
It’s a bunch of excuses. The suns had every opportunity to win that game…they didn’t capitalize, and everyone’s favorite overrated “superstar” had more turnovers than assists, to go with just 11 points…end of story!
April 30th, 2008 at 10:05 am
SWAT says:
I feel that youngfed but this is a basketball website. Damn you gonna tell us to Rock the vote next…lol b ez son. Anyway i will say this PHX GOT THEY ASS WHOOPED! 17 missed freebies, turnovers at crucial times, diaw throwing it to pop on the sidelines…WTF!! But there was at least 3 calls in towards the end that were terrible. That’s why we need the challenge call becuase that ish last nite was a disgrace! Thats ok though, CP3 will toss yall boys up next round.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:08 am
girlybballluver says:
Sam I Am that is one of the most ridiculous things possible to say in response to Youngfed. That was just plain dumb. If you don’t have anything intelligent to say, please shut up!
April 30th, 2008 at 10:10 am
rangerjohn says:
come on youngfed, whats up with the politics bs there are sites for that. wait the pistons are in a dog fight and it is not looking good 2 nights ina row so you got to change the subject.
obama is a racist and a muslim in hiding, and will never lead this country. as for the 3 cops who shot sean bell, remember this TWO OF THEM WHERE BLACK so dont start making it about race.
now back to the nba
GO SPURS GO, i am sooo tired of all the “the refs stole it”, take it out of the refs hands then, blow them out.
nice win for the rockets, very nice win. question is, can they do it 2 more times, and 1 of those in utah? we shall see! would be nice for sure.
hahahahaha hornets, mavs need to keep avery and change the players for some with heart and self respect. stackhouse is a dirty player.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:11 am
GEE...While you was in diapers wettin your sheets, I was at the Ponderosa rappin to the beat says:
girly and SWAT
I was so thinking about my coache’s challenge thing last night during the Suns vs Spurs. I was like dang if it was ever a time it could be used is now…and now..and now… lol.
Oh well maybe one day. I think it would help more than hinder and it or something is obviously needed.
Can’t have that many calls wrong. Some understandable, but when it’s many and so blatant that starts conspiracy theories and other things.
Still the Suns should have hit their freethrows for real!
April 30th, 2008 at 10:23 am
djKianoosh says:
@rangerjohn. what? “obama is a racist and a muslim in hiding” that must be some grade A afghan crack you are smoking LOL “I pity the fool” next you’re going to tell us how Obama’s middle name is Hussein and that proves he’s a “muslim in hiding”. ok. time to learn about the rest of the world. Not saying he’s any better than McCain or Billary, because they ARE ALL POLITICIANS. and politicians care mostly about your vote. The only way to CHANGE your community (and by extension the world) is for YOU to DO IT. by yourself or with the help of those around you. that’s it.
if ya’ll are waiting for politicians to help you, you’ll be waiting a long time. however, it’s still important to vote…
dang, didn’t think all that would come up on Dime…
time for the sixers and wizards to go gently into the night…
April 30th, 2008 at 10:24 am
for real says:
Smoke Break: Mavs off-season starts now
April 30th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Jeffrey says:
I knew Josh Smith was good, but not this good. I guess you learn something new everyday.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Amar says:
utah sucks.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:53 am
YOUNGFED says:
@girlybballluver
Thank you, I wasn’t even gone respond to that idiot. I don’t know who’s worst RangerJ or Sam I Am. WTF
@Swat
Once again bro, not being political but being that I do what I do. I know protocol and that shit was wrong cuzin’. Certain shit needs discussion on every and any forum. Google the case and if that don’t burn you up that it’s nothin’ I can tell you couzin.
@DjKanoosh
True True, exspecially the sixers comment.
Today is REAL TALK DAY
April 30th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Dave says:
Gee - gotta give the Rox credit, they made the Jazz look pathetic last night. Regardless of what un-informed people say, Adelman is a top-flight coach, easily on the same level as Pop and Sloan. How he gets that team with the guys he has available to win and make it so difficult for quality teams is amazing.
Youngfed - I don’t see the US ever electing someone named HUSSEIN Obama as our President, who cares what color his skin is, is that why you’re voting for him?
April 30th, 2008 at 10:56 am
GEE...While you was in diapers wettin your sheets, I was at the Ponderosa rappin to the beat says:
KD is your Rookie of the Year.
Can’t trip he did well.
I still liked AL better.
KD got it though folks!
April 30th, 2008 at 10:59 am
YOUNGFED says:
@RangerJ
The Cop that shot 31 times was white which means he emptied to 17 round clips into an unarmed man that posed no immediate threat. I never said it was about race, thats your take on it. I’M TALKING ABOUT JUSTICE!
“I got a right to be hostile my people being presecuted” - Malcom X
April 30th, 2008 at 11:02 am
doc says:
Sixers aint going nowhere.Sixers in 7.Its the West teams that aint shit.Maybe we should’ve put more teams from the East in the West last 3 spots.And yall should’ve known Ranger John was gonna say some ignorant shit about the situation.U keep talking this army shit but you at all the rocket games.Take ya ass overseas and catch Obama for your daddy Bush and make America happy.And you dont gotta hide if you’re Muslim.I think you live in that fuckin building they ran in out yall parts where they had to come rescue them little girls from getting fucked.Leave them girls alone Ranger john.That sound like some bogus army name you made up and make the little girls call u.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:03 am
GEE...While you was in diapers wettin your sheets, I was at the Ponderosa rappin to the beat says:
Dave that’s cool of you knowing that you are crazy about Utah.
I was just thinking about all the stuff Houston wasn’t really supposed to do this year. Honestly schedule or no, that team wasn’t suppose to win 22 games straight??? Come on. They def. ain’t suppose to be going even this far in the playoffs. Let alone this group shouldn’t even have MADE the playoffs.
Honestly they have shown more heart as a team than I can recall outside of the Allen Iverson led group in Philly. Rick deserves a lot of credit as does Tracy no matter how much people don’t care for dude. The roll players have really tried if nothing else and just that effort is appreciated and nice to see (take note Denver).
Honestly I can’t complain about anything Rocket wise no matter what happens the rest of the way.
I am taking nothing away from Utah cause dang they got a nice squad, I would take Deron, Korver and AK in a heart beat. I am just really proud of the Rockets for having the supposedly worst team (according to many) in the playoffs but making a whole lotta noise!
April 30th, 2008 at 11:05 am
YOUNGFED says:
@Dave
1.) We’ve spent two terms under a republican dictatorship, our econon=my is worst that ever, our dollar ain’t worth shit, and gas and gorceries are at all time highs = No Republican this time = No McCain = No 72yr old president, how you gone run a country from a wheelchair. lol
2.) I really like Hillary in the beginning with her offers of free universal health care like Canada and France. I also was for her ending this futile war, but after her campaign turned to mud slinging I saw her true colors.
THATS WHY IT’S OBAMA 08
April 30th, 2008 at 11:10 am
2 Easy says:
Ok so we can all agree that the refs made some bad calls and that the suns gave the game away simple. Personally I think that PHX had SA last year and that was their year to win it but I honestly thought they had a chance to at least eliminate SA this year. Shaq played Duncan great, too bad they couldnt stop Parker from prancin to the basket AT ALL! Also Duncan is the best PF ever so he did the best he could. By the way, if I hear that hes not a PF cause he’s 7 feet tall argument again Im going to lose it. Um how tall was Magic again? What position did he play? I rest my case. Not just in crunch time, throughout the game and series there have been terrible calls but I dont think those should make or break the game unfortunately sometimes they do. I just hate the floppin and then pressuring the refs to call it. F-in’ Parker drives throws himself into Raja Bell, Bell pushes him off a bit and he goes flying and twists his ankle and everyone waits for a friggin flagrant call, dispicable. I miss the old days of hard fouls and man-ing up, now everyone just tries to draw contact and bitches when they dont get it. The games so soft but I still go hard, bitch I go so hard
April 30th, 2008 at 11:11 am
Austin Burton says:
1. I have a question for RangerJohn…
Even if Obama is Muslim, what’s wrong with that? Do you know anything about the religion?
2. And about the Nash out of bounds call: It didn’t go off his leg, but it did touch his hands last. It was the right call. A telling moment from that game: Coming out of a timeout Doug Collins says, “This is when you need to execute under pressure.” IMMEDIATELY after he said that, Nash drove and tried to pass through three defenders and turned the ball over.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:11 am
Dave says:
I’m not going out buying any Rox gear but if there was an award for Heart and Determination the Rockets would get it hands down.
With that said the Jazz will bring it up a level in Game 6 and it will be another battle. Can’t really say anything bad about Houston, except maybe they should stop worrying so much about the officials because they are better than that.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:12 am
SWAT says:
@Youngfed-I was born in Louisiana, raised in Houston, and currently live in austin…i have seen/felt more than my fair share of injustice and brutality from the cops. That’s besides the point…i think fox news or CNN has a blog for that. I came here to discuss basketball. That’s like going into history class talking bout’ math. No disrespect though son but keep it hoopin’ pimpin.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Mike C says:
Has Shaq fallen off or what??
This guy was one of the top 10 players ever after that Miami chip. But the last two years have tarnished his career so much that I don’t know if he belongs in the top 20 anymore..
April 30th, 2008 at 11:17 am
GEE...While you was in diapers wettin your sheets, I was at the Ponderosa rappin to the beat says:
Dave it’s the nature of the beast. Most fans are going to consider the officiating when you want your team to win so bad. Honestly a lot of times the officiating is an issue. I don’t think it’s a case of being better than that, but looking out for your team. I have often complained about officiating in a game that was won. People just want the right calls made based on what they determine.
A lot of people hate for calls to be significant factor in important games. Thus far I would say things have been more ok than not. I mean when you team isn’t hitting free throws, you can’t really trip on any calls.
Bottom line is you got to be so far ahead and play so well that no calls can matter. You can’t leave it to chance or the refs.
I am ready for Fri.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Dave says:
Youngfed - glad to hear it isn’t about race, what a stupid reason to vote/not vote for someone.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:20 am
YOUNGFED says:
@Swat
We Can talk about both basketball and politics. Sometimes certain stuff just burns you up and sometimes things are much bigger than basketball. You go to any hiphop site and this is all their talking about. Their not saying “I just came her to talk hip-hop”. Real talk homie. Rappers are dropping songs like hot cakes regarding this issue. It needs discussion. I’m discussing it on 2/3 forums right now.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Austin Burton says:
@Mike C — Chill out. There’s no way the last two years of Shaq’s career negatively impacts what he did in the first 13 or whatever the number is. A lot of great players, especially centers, see their production dip in their mid-30s. You cannot name 20 centers in history better than Shaq.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:26 am
rangerjohn says:
at #47
yes i am going to say obama is a muslim in hiding, go back and read about his life. dont believe the bias media or the fact that he has “racist christian pastors” as his friends (his minister is protected by persoanl guard provided by THE NATION OF ISLAM! go look things up. obama was raised by radical muslims (his step father and real father both) and went to a private muslim school. look it up. the man refuses to say the pledge, wear a flag, or cover his heart during the pledge. why not? think about it.
as for the sean bell, 3 cops shot him 2 black cops now the real kicker, HE WAS SHOT OUT SIDE OF A TITTY BAR ON HIS WEDDING DAY! what the fuck are you doing at a titty bar ON YOUR WEDDING DAY? somthing is odd there dont you think?
April 30th, 2008 at 11:27 am
YOUNGFED says:
@Austin Whats up bro I ask for a lil help with Tayshaun feild goal stats and get no love it like that bruh. I know you can find out his FG%, FGA/FGM.
Whats Really Good?
April 30th, 2008 at 11:29 am
YOUNGFED says:
@Ranger J
WTF - You ever heard of a bachelor party?
Just stop talking dude
April 30th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Dave says:
I’ve coached youth teams for years and the first thing I tell them is that they will never lose a game because of a bad call from an official. It gives them someone else to blame their failures on and doesn’t teach responsibilty for your own actions. I guess I have a pet peeve about blaming officials.
Of course I yell at the tv all the time about bad calls, but that is never the reason for the loss.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:31 am
rangerjohn says:
at #55
doc i have not mentioned the army in a month man, get over your self. you are an idiot, you have no idea what you are talking about and you are uneducated in the way the world works.
at youngfed, why would you want to do anything like canada or france, those are 2 of the weakest countries in the world. the united states has the best health care i nthe world. it costs money and is not easy to get for everyone but then most people would rather pay out of pocket for a GOOD doctor then to get a so-so or bad doctor for free. hell the doctors in bordertowns in mexico are better the nthe average doctor in france or canada.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:33 am
Austin Burton says:
@RangerJohn — Sean Bell was at his bachelor party the day before his wedding. Have you ever heard of a bachelor party? Sometimes they involve titties.
And again, even if Obama is Muslim, what’s wrong with someone practicing Islam? Do you know anything about the religion? FYI, Obama’s parents separated when he was 2 years old and his father moved to the Northeast while the mother and Barack stayed in Hawaii. So his father didn’t have much time to instill his “radical” views into Barack, if in fact his father was a “radical Muslim.” Which from all I’ve read, he wasn’t.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:34 am
rangerjohn says:
who has a bachelor party ON THEIR WEDDING DAY?????
so lets see, lets go look at some titties, get drunk and then go put on the tux and get married still drunk or hung over, yeah that is perfect. sure does instil great values for the future with your wife.
this is why the US is in trouble, because knuckleheads think it is ok to go get fucked up look at other woment and then get married all in the same day.
good on ya young more power to you if you can make you wife happy like that! good ol american values perfect world to have 10 kids in too.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Diego says:
Rangerjohn, you don’t know jack. Quit making up crap about Obama, you loser.
The cat in N.Y. was shot the night before his wedding after his bachelor party, you homo. (It was after midnight.)
April 30th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Dave says:
Ranger - I wish someone in the mainstream press would investigate all of the accusations against B. Hussein…..there are way too many fishy things about him out there that need to be answered but the liberal press doesn’t seem to want to ruin to chance for a democrat (regardless of who he is and what he believes) to win.
Why would Hussein sit in the front row of Rev. Wright’s church for 20 years and never have a problem with any of the content or teachings until he’s running for President and now he renounces him? Give me a break!
April 30th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Diego says:
Because it was after midnight, it technically was the same day as his wedding, numbnuts rangerjohn.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:42 am
rangerjohn says:
ok diego, you go look things up yourself and show me where i am wrong. here is a a few quotes FROM OBAMAS BOOK HE WROTE: In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school,he wrote in his first memoir, “Dreams from my Father.” “The teacher wrote to tell my mother that I made faces during Koranic studies.”
“Obama’s stepfather(Lolo) was a practicing Muslim.” “It was to Lolo that I turned to for guidance and instruction,” Obama recalled.
“During the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school(where he was registered as a Muslim) and then to a predominately Muslim school,” Obama wrote in “Audacity.”
Obama — whose FATHER,STEPFATHER, BROTHER and GRANDFATHER were Muslims — explained his own first name, Barack, in “Dreams”: “It means ‘Blessed.’ In Arabic. My grandfather was a Muslim.”
Obamas’ latests book “The Audacity of hope”
he writes “We are no longer just a Christian nation, We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of NONBELIEVERS.” nonbelievers? nonbelievers?! Who talks like that???? I have NEVER heard anyone, but a Muslim describe The United States as a “nation of nonbelievers”
dave that is exactly right, obama flip flops on things more then john kerry ever did.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:42 am
Austin Burton says:
@RangerJohn — You keep ignoring my question. What’s wrong with Islam? Do you know anything about the religion? A simply “I don’t know” and “No” will suffice if you can’t come up with anything.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:42 am
doc says:
ranger john if u ask anybody on here who posts daily,honestly if anyone comes on here and just speaks a bunch of bullshit its u.I know enough of how the world works that outside of your house u probaly walk with your tail between your legs trying to avoid looking real men in the face.But when u get in your house or mom house whatever your little comfort zone is you talk all this KKK type bullshit.U probaly still mad the black dudes won in Glory Road.BITCH
April 30th, 2008 at 11:44 am
YOUNGFED says:
Good Post Austin #72 however can I get some love with those stats pimpin’
@RangerJ
My Girl will be finished with MedSchool by this summer. I yes I plan on retiring my player card and getting married. If I wanna have my bachelor party the day before my wedding whats the big deal, not saying I would because I probably wouldn’t
April 30th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Dave says:
Diego, Youngfed, whoever else is mesmerized by the sermons and revivals of B. Hussein, Ranger isn’t making any of that stuff up about B. Hussein’s upbringing, it’s all documented and true. You should really take more time to find out about the candidates instead of believing everything you see on TV.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:45 am
rangerjohn says:
your are very bright diego, at least you know how to tell time, so again i ask what great values that must have instilled, lets go get fucked up and then get married? i mean how much love did he have, how much respect did he have for his wife and for himself to get fucked up even the night before he was getting married? and people wonder why the rest of the world hates the USA. have some self respect people i mean really.
i am not perfect, never claimed to be but i have self respect and i respect my wife enough to show it.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:46 am
SWAT says:
wow…this is going to get messy real soon.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Dave says:
SWAT, good point. Go Jazz.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Austin Burton says:
@RangerJohn — First off, bachelor parties are more for your boys than they are for you. Same for weddings; it’s more for your family and friends than they are for you. The important part is BEING married.
And again, can I get an answer? What’s wrong with someone being a Muslim? Do you know anything about the religion?
@Youngfed — Dude, you can find those stats online easy. Yahoo, NBA.com, ESPN.com…
April 30th, 2008 at 11:49 am
SWAT says:
LOL!! Dave we will see in 7!!
April 30th, 2008 at 11:51 am
rangerjohn says:
austin, ihave no issue with islam, i have read about it enough to know it is the “religion of peace” that also preaches that once land is controled by islam it is islams for ever. i also know that it is not a buch of christians that highjacked planes and crashed them into buildings, i know it was not a bunch of hindis who blew up the uss cole. while the majority of muslims are good “god fearing people” (regardless of who they call god) i also know that it is islamic folowers who are invloved in 90% of all the worlds conflicts (look that one up)
and doc, come find me buddy, we will see who looks a man in the eye! bitch i got no fear of you or any one else. i speak my mind, like it or not, you are just a bitch who talks tough online.
young, good on ya for not wanting to disrespect your wife by getting fucked up looking at other women the night before you promise to be with her and only her for the rest of your life.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:51 am
GEE...While you was in diapers wettin your sheets, I was at the Ponderosa rappin to the beat says:
Ok forgive me for not being up on the whole thing.
Just in looking at that comments though.
First I am wondering what does it matter if he was at a titty bar, breast bar, half a titty and a** cheek bar if he got SHOT? Isn’t the shooting the issue.
As for Obama being a muslim, well if you don’t like muslims or that religion than your dislike is understood. Still I would consider the whole of what is good before I take the small of what is disliked (for all candidates).
Now if you dislike more than you like about a candidate then have at it. Still usually in choosing a president you are always choosing the lesser of evils in your view anyway.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:52 am
doc says:
Most people have a bachelor party.If u didnt thats your lame ass fault.And aint shit wrong with being Muslim.Thats why he is a good candidate because these American Values is what dudes like ranger john was brought up on and look how that stupid bastard think.The world dont hate Usa because of parties dickhead.They hate it because dudes like u and Bush who have american values make up reasons to go to war so they can make money.Well so he can he just sent you to get blew the fuck up.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Diego says:
Rangerjohn, please read the quote again. Barack simply is saying that the U.S. is a nation that includes nonbelievers (i.e., atheists), as well as believers in the other faiths that he notes. That is true, is it not? Are there atheists in the U.S.?
April 30th, 2008 at 11:53 am
2 Easy says:
…Are you guys serious right now. Im all for political opinion and awareness but really. You guys are not seriously getting into a debate about Obama and Sean Bell right now. Sean Bell’s killin, injustice that should not have been tolerated, and Obama, quite frank I hope he wins simply because he’s black. Im not an American so the latter does not have much to do with me but the Bell shooting stings because he was black and unarmed but if you guys are gonna get political where was this outrage durin the whole Jena 6 thing? THat made me throw up in my mouth a bit. I kno that these are intense issues but this site is about ball so unless it relates to ball in some way, ie Obama runnin ball last week, then can we please just keep it ball related. Think about how heated things got over controversial basketball comments, it’ll be WAAAAY worse over political issues.
P.S Ranjerhorn, because your pissed at the world dont take it out on Canada & France. Im Canadian and the doctors here are quite capable of doing their jobs without me having to cut them a cheque
April 30th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Austin Burton says:
“i also know that it is not a buch of christians that highjacked planes and crashed them into buildings, i know it was not a bunch of hindis who blew up the uss cole.”
Do you really need someone to point out how many violent crimes are committed by “good” Christians and Catholics? Are you serious? Every religion has its followers who interpret their book different and act radically. But if you want your President to practice a religion that has a spot-free history, well, you won’t have anyone left to vote for.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:54 am
doc says:
I bet u would like to tie me up to the back of a truck.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Celts Fan says:
“Before the game Byron Scott was handed the Coach of the Year trophy. Scott got 70 first-place votes, while second-place finisher Doc Rivers got 23. (Pretty sure most Celtics’ fans would cock an eyebrow at that following Boston/Atlanta Game 4.)”
Trust me, we’ve known that long before the other night. Doc shouldn’t have gotten a single COY 1st place vote. I’d put Byron Scott, Adelman, Sloan, Mo Cheeks (my COY), and Phil Jackson over him this year just to name a few.
Josh Smith is a BEAST. He’s always been godly defensively and dunking, now he’s developing a good jumper. He’s got the potential to be FAR BETTER than Shawn Marion, and that’s saying A LOT. Before every game, they should make him watch Jay Bilas saying he’s the best chance to be a bust of that whole draft, just to keep him good and mad. Jesus, what an animal. Still think the Celtics are fine, but can we try d’ing him and Joe Johnson up this game? Please…
Who cares what religion Barack is. He’s the best person to lead this country (a country that allows freedom of religion, so relax) and actually cares about all of us and making things better for everyone. If you think McCain and Clinton do, you’ve been hanging out w/ Josh Howard too much.
Question for the brothers here: Do you guys watch that House of Payne show? Is it a black thing I just don’t understand, or do you think it sucks too? Just wondering if I’m missing something…
Speaking of which, TBS, a station with the tag “We Know Funny” may have the worst lineup EVER. Really, The Bill Engvall Show, My Boys, and House of Payne? Terrible…
Karl Malone makes Roger Clemens look like he dates old country singers. Check it out! http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/columns/story/334471.html
April 30th, 2008 at 11:54 am
GEE...While you was in diapers wettin your sheets, I was at the Ponderosa rappin to the beat says:
Oh yea and Dave I get you on it never being the refs fault, especially taking that approach with your team.
As a fan though, there are times when…..the refs have to much impact on the outcome.
Honestly the ref. controls the outcome if he so decides.
So it is a major percentage, but I agree it’s more on the team than the ref.
Nice coaching though.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:55 am
dapro says:
Obama is a Christian; he attends or did attend Trinity Church on 95th st. I live in Chicago and have heard enough about Obama, Wright, and all other bs that comes along with politics.
I practice the Muslim faith so before anyone makes an asinine comment lets stick to b-ball fellas cause some of your political insights are dumb as hell!
April 30th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Dave says:
I wasn’t too worried about it going 7 before last night but if Houston beats Utah again in Utah I’m not putting any money on the Jazz in game 7.
Frankly if they play DWill and Boozer physical from the opening tip I don’t know if the Jazz can answer, DWill is hurt worse than anyone is letting on, and Boozer has shown no heart.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:57 am
doc says:
Yeah all these murders and crazy crimes in America is not 90% Muslims.But Im done with this shit I just have to say something to Flamer John when he gets crazy.It happens once a month.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:59 am
doc says:
Celts that show stink it aint no black white or green thing.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:59 am
rangerjohn says:
keep trying doc, one of these days you will make a valid point and i will aplaud you for it. in the mean time i will sit back and laugh at your stupid ass for the ignorance with which you think.
i dont ask you to respect me for my service, i am above that, i ask you to respect the freedoms with which my service (and that of others) has provided you with.
gee you make very good well thought out arguements.
i do not dislike obama JUST because of his religion i dislike obama for the simple fact, he is trying to hide it, he can not be honest with himself or with us and therefore who is to say what he is capable of in a possition as powerful as the presidency. i liked bush in the begining i admit that, i dont care for him over the last 4 yrs for sure. as for mccain, he is the only candidate who has been forthright, stood up for what he believes and has been totally honest. look it up.
not to mention he knows what it is like to serve, being a 4 yr POW in one of the worst POW camps since WW2. if nothing else respect the man for his service!
April 30th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Celts Fan says:
EVERY religion has people that do terrible things. The terrorists are Muslims, yes, but Islam says to do pretty much the exact opposite. Ted Bundy was a Christian, does that mean ALL Christians are murderers and we should fear all Christians? Of course not. Let’s stick to ball and not hate speech…
April 30th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
for real says:
damn, ya’ll making me tired with this crap.
Spurs in Seven - that’s all I know.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Celts Fan says:
thanks Doc, that’s what I figured!
April 30th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Austin Burton says:
@Celts Fan — Actually, I’ve heard that White people like “House of Payne.” My Dad told me that all the White people are his job watch the show and love it.
I watched one of the first episodes, and it just wasn’t funny. I gave it a few more chances and gave up. So no, it’s not just a Black thing. In fact, I don’t know anyone Black who watches the show.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
doc says:
U aint provide me with shit. U provided Bush and his homies with service.I didnt get nothing special after yall started extorting oil.Give me some free gas since you doing a service for me.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
dapro says:
rangerjohn said
“i also know that it is not a buch of christians that highjacked planes and crashed them into buildings, i know it was not a bunch of hindis who blew up the uss cole.”
Tim McVeigh was a Christian, not a Muslim he was responsible for Oklahoma City Bombing
Ted Kaczynski the Unabomber was not a Muslim.
It only get amplified when the person involved is of Muslim faith. Nobody has ever been called “Christian Extremist” Don’t fall into the media trap of ignorance toward the believers of Muhammad.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Dave says:
Karl Malone made some mistakes definitely. But before you kill him you have to know that the guy stepped up big-time in Utah and paid off dozens of people’s houses who had children with medical problems….and refused to let the press talk about it or report on it. I know about it because a kid in our neighborhood was diagnosed with a fatal disease and they were going to lose the house because they couldn’t pay the payments because of the med bills….Mail showed up on their doorstep with the title of the house and gave it to the kids dad.
I can’t say that makes up for what he did to his son, but there is always a different side to people than we know.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
rangerjohn says:
yes christians do comit crimes, and they are the largest religious group not only i nthe USA (this is where the majority of these crimes are) but i nthe world. the thing is radical islam is to blame for 90% of all TERRORIST ACTS in the world. so a murder commited by a christian doesnt hold ground to a plane hitting a building, or a school being held hostage by muslims, or an embasy being blown up or a battle shot being blown up. go look up the numbers, do some research on it and you will see.
i guess you guys are all about letting TSA grab a 90 yr old woman in a walker to check her for bombs while letting a muslim man walk buy to be politically correct. i mean lets be realistic, when was the last time a christian highjacked a plane?
April 30th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Austin Burton says:
If you wanna get into generalizing, well … Catholic priests and child molestation? Guess we should never have a Catholic president.
And even if Barack is Muslim, I don’t blame him for not revealing it. As you have proven, RangerJohn, this county is not yet ready to accept the Islamic faith. Obama would have to get into office, then maybe reveal his faith and show people that he’s not some terrorist just because he’s Muslim. Which again, no one has shown that he is.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
SWAT says:
House of Payne is on par with BET…black exploitation television. It cracks me up how we get over exposed to that crap during games. It adds to the stereotyoes just as much as his crappy ass movies do. Anyway this blog has got a little too “real” for me today so I’m gonna say peace. Clutch City 08!!
April 30th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
GEE...While you was in diapers wettin your sheets, I was at the Ponderosa rappin to the beat says:
Dave I feel Deron is the key. If the Rockets can limit him the I certainly feel the rest of the team will fall.
The problem is, he is just so good. I mean seriously he is awesome. You all better keep him forever!
I am thinking if it goes to 7 Houston will certainly get it.
ranger I get you, don’t necessarily agree, but can’t argue why you dislike someone provided you have that right. You obviously like McCain way better and that is cool and again your right. I just hope you are looking at all aspects of a candidate as I hope everyone is. Cause between, education, gas prices (lol), the war, economy, health care, global warming and a list of other things. It seems some concentrate on one thing they totally dislike about a candidate rather than so many more things that should go into the equation.
It’s funny how we have grown to know each other on this site. Not literally but in the sense of knowing what some do for a living, and what others like and dislike.
At this point glad none of us are in a room though, cause I am sure this one would break into a full out fight lol.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
2 Easy says:
@ Celts fan, I dont kno why but I actually like House of Payne but then they retooled it and I liked it less and seeing as Im rarely home when it shows I dont make the effort to watch it anymore but it wasnt that bad an idea
April 30th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
rangerjohn says:
dapro
those are very good points, which are most often overlooked. on the other hand mcveigh was in contact and “scouted” the area where he attacked with muslim help. he was recruted by followers of osama.
unibomber was just a nut and how many people did he kill? bundy, how many people did he kill? osama how many did he kill?
as the saying goes, kill one man you are a murderer, kill a million you are a conquerer.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
dapro says:
Define terrorism
Taking an entire Country from one group of people, slaughter their men, rape their women, and force their religion upon that group
Native Americans being invaded by the Europeans
Africans being invaded by Europeans
All in the name of Christianity
Do your home rangerjohn and comeback with a book report.
“You’re better than that young man”
Mark Jackson
April 30th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
girlybballluver says:
ranjerjohn is just saying stuff to get responses. There’s a difference between having a different/unpopular opinion, and just saying stupid stuff to get noticed.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
dapro says:
I am all for your opinion brother but lets not generalize a group based on the actions of a few. I’ll bounce from the topic on that note.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
GEE...While you was in diapers wettin your sheets, I was at the Ponderosa rappin to the beat says:
Naw SWAT don’t leave lol just talk about ball if you dont’ wanna go politicin.
LOL if you do go Houston up though!
Alot of people fear for Obama being shot if he does become elected. I would certainly worry about that too. I am thinking he has taken that into consideration before he went for it though.
I am trippin no one is calling out Hillary with the actual lies she has been caught in so far.
I mean speculation compared to actually being caught is a difference.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Dave says:
Doc - you are an ungrateful piece of crap who deserves to live in some other country where you don’t enjoy the freedoms we have in the US. You are one of those people who think that the govt owes you and that you should get free health care, free food, welfare checks, and whatever else you need. I hate working my ass off every day to pay for worthless lazy losers like you who are so pathetic and raised so poorly that you can’t provide for yourself or your offspring.
Anyone who disrespects the service of our troops, regardless of what they say or believe on a message board, is a piece of crap and deserves no respect.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
GEE...While you was in diapers wettin your sheets, I was at the Ponderosa rappin to the beat says:
House of Payne sucks lol but yea I have also heard that many white people enjoy it.
I will be so glad when it’s gone …along with it’s commercials.
I hope they take “Be history or Make history” with it and the Sprite Falling away commercial at this point too.
Doc I know you want that gone lol.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
rangerjohn says:
austin
i see your points but i dont agree, it is not the american people that do not GENERALLY SPEAKING accept islam, it is islam that does not accept the american people. look around the world at almost every islamic country, what do they want to do THEY WANT TO KILL AMERICANS, not christians, AMERICANS. they dont ask questions they dont care to know me or you or youngfed or anyone here they want to kill US ALL!
gee, i have to say you are the coolest head in the room by far and i aplaud you for that.
as i said i dont trust obama or clinton. i may not like everything mccain does but he is the only candidate that stand up for what he believes and does not waiver to speak of. obama has to hide his religion? well then he is no better then what people believe bush is, lieing to get what he wants. clinton will say what you want to hear but when put on the spot will crawfish (back up and change stories) to cover her ass.
in the end i hope everyone votes for who they want, and i hope the best person wins but i surely hope it is not a lier (the usa cant handle another lie) out to get what they want for themselves. and if you think obama is going to “change the world” wait and see, he sure hasnt done much for the people who have already ellected him.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
SAS Sizzle says:
SUNS - EXCUSES ARE FUTILE
It looked like Nash may have hit the ball off his hands even though Bruce touched it first. They missed an assload of free throws. They turned the ball over in crunch time. Blame the refs, but they lost three other games legitimately also, so suck it up and take responsibility dammit.
Manu’s kryptonite is not early foul trouble, it is injury - he is hurt right now, ankle and groin still tender. Still he iced the game with free throws.
CP versus TP is going to be an all-time classic matchup for years to come, along with Deron of course. Can’t wait for this series, advantage goes to Spurs b/c they have waaay more experience. They’ll lose Game 1 then take 4 out of the next 5, Spurs in 6.
CP and TP are 2 of the quickest guards in the L but you have to put Monta Ellis and Leandro Barbosa right there, too. Allen Iverson is no slouch either.
@Word - Tell us how you really feel about Bruce Bowen, hehe.
Hopefully the new A-Team movie won’t be so commercialized it is grotesque, but I am betting there will be mad Pepsi or Burger King advertisements scattered throughout. Still haven’t caught that new Transformers flick btw, maybe once A-Team hits DVD I can have an 80’s night and relive my youth. NOSTALGIA!!!
April 30th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
doc says:
I feel that Austin.U cant tell the truth in a race because some dudes and females just got that old school hate/segregation mentality.But that shit aint never gonna leave.Osama is a bad dude but that is one man its millions of Muslims out here who dont get down with dude at all.Just like some Priests fucking little boys.Its not all of them I hope.But what is Bush religion by the way because if Osamas a conquerer what is he?
April 30th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
RayL says:
Hawks over Celtics… boy wouldn’t that be somethin? Even better than Warriors over Mavs..
April 30th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Dave says:
All political candidates are in a bad position, to get elected you have to tell different stories to different people or you won’t get the votes. It really comes down to who will hurt the country the least at this point…..and I don’t think there is a good answer to that question.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
YOUNGFED says:
@Austin
Already tried those sites no luck kept getting season stats no playoffs.
@Celts
The Show is straight trash dude needs to stick to making movies.
To all the posters I say see what a forum can do never limit yourself discuss what you wanna talk about. It’s here for us to just kick it so don’t say can we talk BBall and thats it. Open your horizons people. Where discussing movies, politics, corruption, etc. There is no limits to DIME now that I’m HERE.
“I’m what the DIME’s been missing” - YOUNGFED
April 30th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
GEE...While you was in diapers wettin your sheets, I was at the Ponderosa rappin to the beat says:
LOL I never seen you type so much before ranger. As far as all this, I just don’t trip to hard over things I ultimately have no control over. I like to see the different opinions sometimes you get something you didn’t know. If I disagree I try to disagree without going personal unless someone has come at me.
Somewhere Youngfed has to be laughing that he started all of this.
I enjoyed the little spoof they did of the candidates on WWE. Yea I still watch wrestling and love it so what lol.
I guess come the day it’a all decided we will all be here again back at it. I just hate that heads are leaving cause of the topic and people’s view points.
To each their own though.
AB do you all go at it like this in the DIME office?
April 30th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
rangerjohn says:
dapro, it is hard not to generalize a group of people (it is human nature) when they make it hard. as i have said, not all followers of islam are this way but the islamic faith specifically says to take land by force, and once it is islamic land it will always be by force or not. this is an issue for me. from the time of the persians they have attacked and killed. europeans have taken land as well, so did the romans, the greeks, the mongals, it is human nature.
on the other hand i had friends die in somalia because muslims wanted to KILL AMERICANS. i have friends who have been killed in afganistan and iraq, i had a grandfather who was a bataan death march survivor (not muslims) and a pow for 2 yrs. i know 1st hand what man can do to other man. i dont need a book report, i have 1st hand knowlege. i have seen body parts from a car bomb, i have seen children blown up because they where sunni and not shia, i have seen americans in 50 pieces because they are doing what they are told by a govt that MIGHT OR MIGHTNOT be out for itself.
so i say again, muslims (radical) have had a hand in 90% of the worlds problems in the past 2 centuries (and before) and so as general as it is i do not care for them as a whole. like it or not that is the way the world works.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
doc says:
Dave U dont know me dog but I was raised in the hood (North Philly stand up)but was raised properly and take care of my daughter and own my own shit.BUT my cousin ws over there fighting in the war and told me dudes over there fighting was pissed about that shit and was seeing the real reasons they was there.But you showed your hate for blacks in that post.I want welfare and all from u huh? I bring em out like TI.Yeah Gee u know im tired of that shit.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
for real says:
125th !!
Not even 1:30 and all this Hussein-a-bock-a-bama vs. christianity is plugging up the board (bored).
I agree with SAS Sizzle - if the Spurs were to lose a game, they always seem to lose the Game 1’s. Don’t know why, that’s just how they roll…
April 30th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Dave says:
Youngfed your humility is contagious, thanks for opening our horizons……I totally forgot how pissed I was about the Jazz getting handled last night.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
for real says:
SOMEONE DEPLOY RANGERJOHN !!!!
April 30th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
YOUNGFED says:
@RangerJ
WTF do you like about John “Pace Maker” McCain the fact that he wants to continue sending american children to war for who knows how long. Or the fact that he’s a “Good Ole’ Boy” if you catch my drift. How can his views dictate or future when he’s so far from the past
DUDE IS 72 FUKIN’ YEARS OLD….SEVENTY TWOOOOOO!!!!
April 30th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
doc says:
Ranger thats the realist shit u said the whole time.All people do the same shit no matter the religion.Human Nature or whatever.But your people got killed by Muslims so thats who u beefing with regardless.That sound so much better than the Muslims are doing everything.Because I know that terrorist shit they doing now cant be no worse than slavery or that Nazi shit.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
SAS Sizzle says:
HOLY SH*T, you guys, thanks for starting a political debate on this mofo.
Let me put this to rest because I am so f*cking tired of this debate. Here is politics in America:
“I like the puppet on the RIGHT!”
“Well I like the puppet on the LEFT!”
“Wait a minute, the same f*cker is holding both puppets!”
April 30th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
dapro says:
rangerjohn I commend you for being out in the battlefield but have you ever though about what we are fighting for.
Put your self in their shoes for a moment-
Osama was funded by the US government to take down the USSR as it was formally known
Saddam was thrust into power by the US government to have a steady influence in the Middle Eastern world and overthrow the previous regime
Fidel Castro was placed into power by overthrowing the Batista with help from the US government to keep a watchful eye on the Cuban land
America has a long standing history of bullying and forcing other countries to accept and bow down to their ways. When these men no longer wanted to carry out the orders of the US government, they became enemies of the state and deemed dangerous. I love America, it is the greatest country in the world but we can’t continue on as we have.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
YOUNGFED says:
lmao AT POST #114, 126, AND 130 yall some silly mutha fuka’s
April 30th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
dapro says:
On that note let’s get back to the ball’n Dime family
Rockets in 7
Pistons in 6
Celts in 6 (although the Hawks are better than advertised but Doc needs to make adjustment and send help at Johnson)
I think Cleveland closes out Washington tonight although I want tot see this series go the distance
April 30th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
YOUNGFED says:
Don’t forget Dapro we train all of these so called terrorist. Funny how they only become terrorist when the stop being our bitch boy….hummmmm? I wonder?
April 30th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Jim says:
I wondered when this discussion would take place. When I looked and saw 130+ comments I figured it was either full of Suns fans whining or that someone had kicked a bigot’s hornet nest.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
GEE...While you was in diapers wettin your sheets, I was at the Ponderosa rappin to the beat says:
I think this is the quickest I have seen a post go over 100. Wow. Got to give it to you Youngin you opened up the flood gates today.
Presidential candidates are funny to me though.
Regan - Forgot stuff when he wanted to
Jesse Jackson - The great rhymer (never made it to a mixtape)
Hillary - Better liar than her husband
Bill - Never leave a mess behind your work pimpin (stains)
Ross Perot - One of the funniest between voice and ears
List goes on but those stick out to me.
Just wondering Ranger when Jesse was running for office did you have a problem with him too?
April 30th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Dave says:
Doc - I didn’t mean to give any impression negatively on any race (stop being so sensitive assuming everyone is racist), I just know I’ve lost family who were fighting for the freedom of people like you and me and you slam someones service as a soldier, it just is not right. You’re right, I don’t know you and owe you an apology because your parents and people in general deserve more respect than I gave, I’m sorry.
….but people who have put their life on the line for our rights should always have our respect for their service.
Regarding welfare etc. I have a strong belief that if a person is accountable for what they do it will solve a ton of the worlds problems, including me working and paying taxes to support people too lazy to get a job who are perfectly capable. Here in Utah those people are mostly white or Mexican, so you are inaccurate when you assume I meant something else.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
djKianoosh says:
If the Wizards take cleveland to 7 games, write it down, there will be a brawl. things are getting heated in the nation’s capital. it’s almost as if they were discussing politics
I can’t wait for Spurs-Hornets. Hopefully that series will deliver the hype that we had for Spurs-Suns. I think Peja might be a big factor.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
dapro says:
@ youngfed,
cosign family
April 30th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
SOUSS says:
Rangerjohn is exactly the reason why we, the world hate some parts of the USA. I’m raised muslim turned atheist, lived in Morocco, France, NY, London, Shangai and I cant believe people like you exist. I almost feel like we should ask Austin for your comments to be moderated… Anywayzzz
Can we all now agree that TP is a Top 3 (2?) NBA point guard and stop the ‘billups, nash, kidd are better than the frenchman’ nonsense that I’ve heard all year long? Or do you want to wait for him to get another Finals MVP before you aknowledge that???
April 30th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Dave says:
I’ve never understood why Parker wasn’t ever in the list of top points, but watching him the past few years it’s clear he’s one of the top 3 at least.
DWill
CP
TP
Nash
Kidd
those are my top 5.
April 30th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
djKianoosh says:
Souss, while I think Tony Parker is a little selfish at times (shoot first mentality), he definitely is in the top 3-5 PG in the game. Arguably the best of the shoot-first type PG’s. But I’d rather have a guy like Chris Paul with the year he’s having. He’s doing it all and making it look easy.
April 30th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
GEE...While you was in diapers wettin your sheets, I was at the Ponderosa rappin to the beat says:
SOUSS in looking at Kidd’s current demise and how the position has evolved more into scoring points that passing. Yea I will give you that now. I will replace Kidd with TP and give him top 3 in the L.
I love how TP will test the waters. You know dribble close to in the lane to see if he is got something pull it back out and fake going in again and by then you are just wondering what is going to go down and he eventually scores. Crazy
Kidd still has done his thing and is still worth having on a team. I still wonder if him and Shaq would make better back-ups now than starters?
dj I think a brawl is certainly going to pop off, and I would hate for it to be the reason one team advances and another doesn’t because players got suspended.
Hockey is the only sport that lets them get down with no game suspensions.
I think the NBA should look into 1st or 2nd half suspensions and quarter suspensions (another GEE idea). Things warrant different degrees and to always automatically get games, is to drastic sometime.
April 30th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
SAS Sizzle says:
I am converting to SHAMANISM
April 30th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
dapro says:
The league is so concerned about image right now it’s ridiculous. The league was tougher years ago. It’s funny that I think most of the dudes in the league wouldn’t fight if they had the chance too but The Commish is scared to death of a serious fight breaking out.
April 30th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Dave says:
Can someone help me understand how it’s possible for Dallas to fall as far as they have so fast?
Is it that the teams West all of the sudden passed them by and Dallas is just as good as they were before or have they fallen apart? Did the talent level improve that much?
I’m looking forward to the Spurs-NO series, TP and CP are going to be fun to see play.
April 30th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Dave says:
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