Needless to say, Rasheed Wallace was not happy after last night’s game.
Thanks to Need4Sheed for the Pistons coverage this morning
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May 29th, 2008 at 9:54 am
Chuck...Haters come in all fashions and forms so bear arms says:
Sheed is right. I really do feel like the league is grooming a Lakers-Celtics finals. There have been a lot of BAD calls. I’m a Kobe fan and would love to see the Lakers in the finals, but the right way.I like the Celtics also, but I just want to see them get there the right way, not by the refs whistling them there.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:03 am
fallinup says:
David Stern will have his way. Lakers vs. Celtics is a gold mine. There’s no stopping what can be stopped. Even if Lakers and Celts don’t have the better teams, this was written in stone after the lopsided as all friggin hell Gasol trade….you all knew it was inevitable.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:03 am
DaPro says:
I didn’t see a lot of flopping in the game but I did notice how Rip finds a way to get in elbow in or flail his arms in the direction of a face or two
It was an over officiated game, I will say that
May 29th, 2008 at 10:08 am
yallallreadyknow says:
sheed always cries like that after a loss. he need to stop bitchin…get his big ass inside the 3pt line and hit the boards.
shit….mcdyess has been outplaying him. when sheed averages 20-10 for a series, then he can bitch. but until then…(he funny) but he need to stop his crying.
..and no need to use the ‘N’ word in front of white reporters. funny how that was not ‘muted’…
May 29th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Austin Burton says:
7-footers grabbing 4 rebounds and taking 9 threes isn’t basketball either.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Austin Burton says:
So we’re bleeping out every word BUT the N-word. And you wonder why people who shouldn’t be using it feel justified…
May 29th, 2008 at 10:24 am
YOUNGFED says:
That was real talk by Sheed. And Austin Dirk does it all the time. That’s how our Offense runs no need for him to be cloggin’ up the paint. Never thought I’d say this but the Celtics are a boring team.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:25 am
YOUNGFED says:
Thats a very good observation there Austin. didn’t know you had it in you.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:29 am
Austin Burton says:
Not true about Dirk. He rarely takes more threes than twos in a game. If you look at his game log, it seems most of the time he takes between 1 and 3 triples per game.
About the N-word thing, I have to blame “Chappelle’s Show” and “The Boondocks” for making it “OK” to air the word on TV.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:30 am
yallallreadyknow says:
youngfed
dont defend wallace cause you a piss-ton fan. his punk ass needs to be down low getting buckets. not shooting 9 3pt attempts. NINE?
he is being defended by kendrick perkins for crying out loud. and what good is real talk if you aint doing shit on the court to stop the bullshit….he averaginf 6 rebounds per game in this series. SIX?
nah…we all love sheed. he is entertaining to the core. but the bum needs to man up and ball up. he always got the most attitude and shit to say after a game…but during a game….he dont do shit. except for complain ofcourse
May 29th, 2008 at 10:31 am
word says:
lol austin’s got a point. but damn i do agree with stern making sure of lakers-celtics finals, greedy as hell money always comes first though.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:33 am
word says:
how are the celtics boring?? wtf… the spurs are boring, that whole western series right now is boring, the east is whats poppin, fuck the west!
May 29th, 2008 at 10:35 am
Austin Burton says:
How are the Spurs boring? Because they pass the ball and move around and play in games that often come down to the wire?
May 29th, 2008 at 10:37 am
word says:
austin, don’t try and make it seem like red neck crackers like dog the bounty hunter can get a pass to say it, them cats like that don’t know nothin about shows like that. But its funny do you remember the episode where rileys teacher calls him that? lol… i’mma go watch that jus now actually
May 29th, 2008 at 10:38 am
yallallreadyknow says:
often come down to the wire?…the spurs?
nah dog. they’ve been blown out like 5 times already…
May 29th, 2008 at 10:41 am
fallinup says:
What some folks find boring about basketball, is what makes basketball basketball. Switch and put Kobe on the Spurs and Duncan in L.A….and the Spurs will be considered “exciting” and L.A. would be considered boring to some folks. No matter how good the actual team is.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:43 am
rangerjohn says:
so lets see its ok to call a white guy a cracker or a redneck or what not but you cat say the n word? yep thats about sums up what i think austin was getting at.
none of that stuff is ok i dont care what color you are.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:45 am
fallinup says:
rangerjohn, you got it wrong…black folks can call each other the N word, anybody else says the N word, it’s a no no .
May 29th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Austin Burton says:
I’m not giving anyone a pass to say it, but I would bet money that the usage among Whites has increased since “Chappelle’s Show” debuted.
As far as the Spurs, I’m not talking about just this season, I’m talking about over the course of this current dynasty (or whatever you wanna call it). They are regularly involved in close, exciting finishes. Look it up.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:46 am
rangerjohn says:
fallinup
i dont agree, the spurs are boring because they are in SA, i dont care who you put in LA or how they play, they will never be boring because they have jack, denzel, dicrapio, andy garcia and a list of others that goes on and on. it is nothing to do with the team, the players it is all about a “popularity” contest and la is the home of the “popular people”
notice even the hornets have a couple stars they show and they are “not boring” yet they admitedly patern their game after the spurs.
spurs got eva, and tommy lee jones (even if they never show him) and thats about it. its all about “fasion and popularity”
May 29th, 2008 at 10:46 am
fallinup says:
So in the case of Sheed not being censored when saying the N word. It’s okay…because he’s black.
I love society.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:49 am
DaPro says:
iT WAS ACCEPTABLE Long before the BOONDOCKS AND CHAPELLE SHOW (PARDON THE CAPS)
We gotta stop focusing on the word and focus on the reason why the word is used (It ain’t cool)
May 29th, 2008 at 10:50 am
Kudabeen says:
He is right, but I guess he is talking about Rip mostly, because he is the main one on the floor flailing his arms and exaggerating contact.
@fallinup
Dude if you want to use the N word use it, stop with the WEAK punk side comments about society. If you feel like saying it, say it, but be ready for the consequences.
I love cowards.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:56 am
fallinup says:
Kudabeen, I don’t use the N word, and feel that no one should because of the historic ramifications it’s had within our society throughout our history. The fact that society has accepted that it’s okay to say it in certain circumstances is what’s sad. And anyone, black, white, purple who does use that within their vocabulary really needs to pick up a history book and realize what that word was intended for. How that is considered a “WEAK” punk side comment eludes me.
May 29th, 2008 at 10:56 am
rangerjohn says:
kudabeen
see your comments towards fallinup are exactly the problem, sure its ok to say the word if you want to get your ass kicked (or they might try to kick your ass) but then it is not ok in the media or in the eyes of the press for a white person to say this stuff. then again if imus had said those girls look like a bunch of redneck crackers he never would have gotten fired would he? this is the problem, none of these things are ok for anyone to say but for some reason the n word is alright if you are black and not alright if you are not black but the other words are ok no mater what color you are.
this is the real issue, and it has been going on well before chapelle
May 29th, 2008 at 11:01 am
DO says:
celtics are “team nba”
so they’ll get a few more calls than the pistons.
and about the “n” word, i don’t ever remember it being censored from tv. so it’s no surprise that it wasn’t here
May 29th, 2008 at 11:03 am
Myrie says:
It’s hard to police the speech freedom on this board (the freedom is part of the reason we all post here daily)…
…But can WE ALL AGREE (going forward) not to use the ‘N’ word nor any variations on here in the future?
I do not believe that is asking too much. And I don’t believe the Dime crew cares one way or other, but in respect to other poster/readers on here and to ourselves…lets just do our slight part on here and refrain from using the “N” word on here going forward.
Thanks all.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:07 am
fallinup says:
Agreed, Myrie.
I simply skip over the posts with the N word in them. I also do the same to folks that try to type in slang…I know when I get to talking, I can get as hood as the next guy..but when you try to express it in text…it just makes you look dumb. LOL
May 29th, 2008 at 11:11 am
yallallreadyknow says:
all,
myrie #27
man. good point. i was about to cuss yo ass out. b’cause you have no business trying to police this board and telling other people what words they can and cannot use. who the hell are you?..THATS WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
but i gotta agree with you (this is the softer side of yallallreadyknow–but imma still use the word bitch against yall bitches on here).
n word aint got no place on here. and shame on sheed for using it like that and shame on us on here who have used it.
i agree with myrie. no more n word usage on this site
May 29th, 2008 at 11:11 am
E$ says:
I feel Sheed’ on that, I’m only watching highlights. I’ll probably watch the finals, just to see the “Fake Show” take that “L”
May 29th, 2008 at 11:13 am
DaPro says:
Austin,
I’m sure you remember brotha but we didn’t create that word we just made it “cool” to use
We made it so “cool” that we have 13 year old white kids in Alabama calling each other n’s
It is getting out of hand, trust me on this Austin the word was getting heavy play even on TNT
Years ago after a TNT game they would show Above the Rim at 11pm or so, the only word that wasn’t censored was the n word
That was at least 95 if not earlier cause I remember them switching Pac’s voice until he said n-word
May 29th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Jim says:
I wish he would have said “excuse me” instead of “watch out”. That’s the most offensive thing he said.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:15 am
YOUNGFED says:
Yall need to learn your history on the meaning of the N word before yall are so quick to dismiss it. It is a word that white people used to suppress us and now we use it as a term of “enderment”. I can’t say I don’t or that I do use it often but I use it when I want too.
@Austin
We all agree that Sheed is allergic to the paint but Dirk ain’t no banger either
May 29th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Michorizo says:
Sheed was being Sheed…that is why we love the guy…he’s honest and expresses himself openly and that is why we all question everything he does (usually his reaction to things)… if others were as genuine as him, we wouldn’t spend time focusing on just Sheed. In a way that is what is FKN wrong with politics … If Obama, Clinton, and McCain expressed themselves freely then we could be breaking down every one of their flaws (isn’t politics all about finding a flaw on the other party, it’s not about who knows what). But instead we all like fake people on TV because they are so perfect and that is what everyone who critizizes someone else is…perfect…whatever perfect really is. I’m sure if Sheed could do it over again he wouldn’t have dropped the N word on TV, but when you are playing a highly contested game at the highest level in the world, emotions and intensity do not just go away because the buzzer goes off. He reacted to a question and that’s why I listen to Sheed and not try a criticize him … his answers are not scripted, they are who he is.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:20 am
YOUNGFED says:
@Myrie and Yall
GTFOH how yall gone say what someone can or can’t say. I’m send both of yall a copy of Nas new CD “N*GGA”
May 29th, 2008 at 11:21 am
T Dubbs says:
Here’s the bottom line on some of these issues:
The Gasol trade wasn’t rigged by any means. The Lakers got their seasoned big man, and Memphis got talented youth (except for Kwame), along with some low expendable contracts. Naturally, all of dolts are going to scream it’s a “rigged trade”, when they don’t realize that Memphis will have some good cap room available to add some pieces within the next couple of years.
The referees will never please everyone. Either way, you’ll always have an uproar about 1 or 2 calls during a game, which may or may not affect the outcome. When players don’t know how to play real hard-nosed defense and they resort to flopping, don’t blame the referees for putting their whistles in their back pocket. I wouldn’t call that crap either… man up and play some real basketball. But hey, that’s the way basketball has evolved.
As far as the conspiracy theory, the league has a big hidden agenda to promote a Lakers/Celtics series, I disagree. Would it be ideal for the league? Hell yeah it would. But throughout the playoffs, I haven’t seen any games being oficiated lop-sided. Even in Game 5 last night, the Pistons shot more free throws than the Celtics. How about Kobe only average 1.5 free throws per game in the SA series? It doesn’t appear that the referees are “rigging” anything.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:22 am
fallinup says:
Fed, I’m pretty sure it’s still NOT being used as a term of endearment in the South. What’s wrong with “homie” or “buddy”???
May 29th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Austin Burton says:
I remember watching those “Above the Rim” airing after NBA games on TNT. They weren’t censoring the N-word then?
The first time I remember hearing it on regular TV (not HBO) when it wasn’t part of a “very special episode” of Family Matters or Sister Sister or something was on Chappelle’s Show. I’m not saying Dave Chappelle started it, but the N-word usage on TV definitely increased with his show and later with The Boondocks. Again, that doesn’t give anyone an excuse to use it, but there’s been a societal change in what is and isn’t acceptable.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:26 am
bsteezy3 says:
One thing about Rasheed, he doesn’t bite his tongue for anybody. He didn’t do it in his younger years, he definitely won’t do it as an elder member of the league. This guy has said a lot of stuff that people just brush off because of the language he uses, but he’s always telling the truth. This time is no different.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:27 am
bsteezy3 says:
Just a couple of quotes off the top of my head: “BOTH TEAMS PLAYED HARD!” “Man, the league is full of dumb niggaz!” LOL
May 29th, 2008 at 11:29 am
T Dubbs says:
Also, who cares what Rasheed dropped in his post game interviews? He was frustrated, and vented to a bunch of pushy idiots that had microphones jammed in his face. I respect people more when they say how they really feel, instead of giving the same old cliche answer. Of course, it doesn’t send a great message to the younger basketball fans, but that’s just the competitive nature of sports. That won’t ever change.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Austin Burton says:
Here’s the thing, though: I don’t hear Sheed complaining about “this isn’t basketball” when the clock operator gives the Pistons 4 extra seconds to hit a buzzer beater. (Remember the Orlando series?) I don’t hear him complaining when Rip flops and gets away with it. Blaming the refs and conspiracy theories is Little League behavior. I remember when I played LL whenever we’d lose, you had half the team crying and saying the refs were “cheating” and throwing in a “the refs were racist” every now and then. Own up to the fact that your team just got beat.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Michorizo says:
Austin … Sheed isn’t supposed to complain when things go his way…do you complain when good shit happens to you?
May 29th, 2008 at 11:41 am
fallinup says:
All the bitching in the world isn’t gonna make that L a W. And it is Little League to complain about that crap.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Austin Burton says:
I don’t complain when good things happen to me, but if I were taking this public moralistic stand about the integrity of the game of basketball and I saw something that offended that integrity — whether it went for my team or against it — I’d say something.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:47 am
YOUNNGFED says:
Austin you are really starting to sound like Mark Jackson and them from last night. Austin the only reason the first half was close was because they shot a thousand free throws.
@post#39
Preach on son. TRUTH
@Post#40
lmao
@Post#43
Real talk bruh keep it up
@post#36
No conspiracy theory. THE PAU GASOL TRADE IS PROOF. NUFF SAID!
May 29th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Prof. TX says:
about the Gasol trade:
Cap room only matters if free agents want to play there. Nobody good will go to Memphis for money unless all they care about is getting paid to lose, and that’s not somebody you’d want to be using up all your contract money.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:50 am
T Dubbs says:
Most players in the league do admit they got beat, but that’s just Rasheed’s mentality. It almost seems like he needs that spark of motivation for the next game, so he needs to make his comments to stir the pot.
I’m not a Detroit fan by any means, but it makes me sick to watch Rasheed play basketball. So much talent, and such a lack of effort in the game. If he actually channeled his attitude and intensity in a positive manner, and used it in his game, the sky is the limit for him.
But I agree, making excuses and using ‘conspiracy theories’ as a crutch is definitely little league behavior. Then again, I guess it gives the media something to write about and discuss on internet forums. There’s nothing like a little drama to fire up the basketball soap opera.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:50 am
YOUNNGFED says:
Also let me prove to why certain words can be cool for certain races. The other day in they office one of the white agents call another a cracker and they both started laughing. Now if I say it guess what? Nuff Said(x2)
May 29th, 2008 at 11:55 am
T Dubbs says:
Prof. Tx -
If free agents want to play there? If you haven’t noticed lately, money talks my friend. Human beings tend to change their minds fairly quickly when a little green is thrown at them in large quantities. =)
But I understand what you’re saying - Memphis won’t be competing for a title in the next decade, so why would a superstar want to play there? Hence the reason Gasol wanted out the door.
So, in all reality, (short term) the Lakers definitely got the better end of the deal. However, if Memphis can get Warrick to add about 40 lbs, they pick up another F/C position to use as a scoring option, and Gay continues to grow as a player… they may be dangerous in a few years.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
DaPro says:
White people don’t get as offended if you call them a ritz or saltine because there is no sensitivity to the word
notice how rappers use the word cracker all the time and the white community doesn’t get outraged
Well they own the music companies, publishing rights, and masters so they eat off our words. We put money in the bank 4 them so say what you want is how they feel
I use the n word alot but I’m trying to chill because I can see both sides
It’s not right but it’s hard 2 stop
May 29th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
DaPro says:
Austin, yeah that word wasn’t bleeped out
Peep the Paul Mooney quote( I gotta post the word family for context)
“Everyone wants to be a nigga, but nobody wants to be a nigger”
We use the word and so does everyone else but there is alot that goes with that word
May 29th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Kudabeen says:
The problem is people being cowards. Don’t come at me about the historical ramifications, because majority of the people we blast for using it don’t care about that. So Sheed is the same as Kramer (michael richards)?
NWA is the same as the KKK?
Please! It is a WEAK position to take to just say “no one should use it”. How about fostering a greater sense of community and getting a feel for an individual. I know Sheed is North Philly through and through (”real” people). He doesn’t censor himself and his dialect is very hood (a stint at UNC didn’t wash that away). I’m supposed to squirm and chastise him for saying N…. around white folks? No. We grant power to the word that just isn’t there. You can call me a few things that I’ll take offense to, but saying a word alone shouldn’t insult anyone. We make it deeper than it is.
Like Jim said above. I was way more offended by his rude demeanor and saying “watch out” rather than “excuse me”.
Bottom line I wasn’t raised to give anyone or anything power to control my emotion or mind. But I’ll let you all continue to talk about the N word. It’s lives at stake out here, children are hungry for guidance and support. That’s what I’m on. Not banning a word created in ignorance from being used in ignorance.
What does the core of the word mean? If it has a meaning then it exist. Can’t erase history people and can’t erase the pain of a past that none of us can truly contextualize by sitting on a high horse and chastising people who use N… as a colloquialism rather than pejorative…
Be offended by offense remarks not by a single word that you are instructed should offend you. I’m not a N… My friends don’t use it to refer to one another. On the flip I have cats that I associate with that use it as a colloquialism and it doesn’t penetrate my sense of self at all because I understand my environment.
My question is always why would anyone DESIRE to use the word? People are sitting on the outside of understanding trying to find a way in through a word born out of ignorance and used out of ignorance. Not good or bad…It is just a matter of enlightenment.
But that’s my limit with exchanging about this type of stuff. Be easy.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Kudabeen says:
Back to BBALL…
Is it just me or is Paul Pierce one of the worst passing scorers ever? He puts his team in such bad positions when passing (if he passes). He is a ball stopper on offense so often. I like his game, but he was killing me trying to run point and holding the ball instead of hitting the shooter in rhythm (Ray).
What the hell was Rondo doing all night with those lob passes at half court. Celts look shook when Lindsay comes in and when Maxiell (sp) is being agressive…
May 29th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
YOUNNGFED says:
@Kudabeen
“NWA is the same as the KKK?”-WTF
I will quote the late great Malcom X for son “I got a right to be hostile my people being presecuted”
@Dapro post#51
Dat’s My N*GGA!!! Let’em know bruh.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
rangerjohn says:
kudabeen
while i really enjoyed that post, i ask you this, if i walked up to half the people “of color” in the world and said “hey whats up my nigga?” being white, every one of them would want to fight me, but if youngfed did the same exact thing (using him as an example only) then they would most likely respond in kind, no “ill will”
now that being said, the word cracker is basically the same word only refering to white people, and yet if young walked up to a group of white people and said whats up crackers, they would most likely laugh at him.
what i find pisses me off on this subject, chris rock had a rutine where he talked about his grandfather who said things like “cracker ass crackers” and then he dropps n word after n word and people find it funny, all people not just black people find it funny (not me actually i have never been a chris rock fan)
here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRK5rU1ZPJc
May 29th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Kudabeen says:
Again a case of someone not comprehending while reading. It wasn’t a statement saying that NWA is the same as the KKK. IT was a rhetorical question aimed at those who try to link all uses of the N… word as this monolithic symbol.
@youngfed
No need to quote Malcolm for my sake, but I like the fact that you did anyway…That’s a good look.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
YOUNFED says:
Thats whats up
May 29th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Kudabeen says:
@rangerjohn
WHY would YOU DESIRE to call any Black person a N…?
Answer that for me.
If a black person walked up to me and my friends with that greeting we would be like “who is this ignorant dude?” At the same time I give people a chance to prove their authenticity as we all should. If that is who they are and I care enough to keep in communication I will definitely make it known that I don’t answer to that. Maybe that sounds like it is too hard to do, but it has been done without problem. It’s about respect and authenticity. You can go around and experiment with a word that you only want to use because it’s taboo if you like…
May 29th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
marcus says:
Did anyone happen to see the rest of this series!?!?!
The Pistons have been getting away with muggings all series long and then Sheed feels like they’re getting robbed?!
puuuuuuleaze!
May 29th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Austin Burton says:
We’re not operating on a level playing field, and we never have been. Words like “cracker” have never been used to hold a White man down, whereas words like “nigger” have been used to hold countless Black men down. Therefore, a White person calling me a nigger is coming from a different place (at least perception-wise) than if I called a White person a cracker. Sorry if it’s not 100% fair, but not much has been fair when it comes to race in America.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Kudabeen says:
@rangerjohn
Cracker is not the same!!
to quote KRS:
“You must learn!!”
It may not be an official source, but wiki touches on all the differing perspectives of the words origins:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracker_(pejorative)
My teaching of the word was that it referred to an oppressor with only one trick. You can crack a whip on a Lion to teach him tricks, but if that Lion gets tired of your tricks and that whip, then guess what…that whip can’t stop that Lion from retaliation…
Look up N… and see the images of folks lynched, burned, raped, subjugated, and oppressed. Not comparable words. The only thing that links the word is that they are both used as pejoratives and are often based out of anger/ignorance.
But you make that determination for yourself…
May 29th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Sheedfan87 says:
Rasheed ain’t harming anyone with the ‘N’ word, yes he doesn’t like the press but anyone who’s followed him over the years knows he’s a very good guy…About the 9 threes, yes its too many but when you hit 6 of your first 7 its hard to critcize shooting a couple more…That being said he needs to post his ass up more and go to that baseline fade-away. Cats are flopping left and right, and anyone who knows David Stern knows he’s praying for Lakers-Celtics.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Kudabeen says:
@marcus
I hear you. On that play where Rip got hurt it looked like he flopped his way into the injury. His arm and elbow was all around Ray’s neck. Pistons and Spurs are great teams because the know the intricacies of “gamesmanship” in BBALL. They exercise this knowledge often too. Again Rip Hamilton is one of the worst. He literally grabs and holds people arms then throw himself down… I respect their organizations, but I have no respect for their complaints about calls (on or off the court)…
May 29th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Kudabeen says:
What about the NBA fining for flopping next year??
I think it will help refs out.
I hate that defenders can’t defend. Offensive players initiate so much contact and get the calls too often. I watch Chauncey and he just pushes Rondo the whole game. Not just to knock him, because so many guess do it (protect the ball with their off arm), but it should be an offensive at a certain point. I like to see good D, but defenders have been put at a major disadvantage since the NBA made the offensive rule changes to let the guards have an easier time on the floor.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3416579
May 29th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
YOUNGFED says:
Kudabeen they grab and hold rip first
May 29th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Austin Burton says:
Fining for flopping just creates another area where you’re becoming too reliant on judgment calls and leaving too much margin for error.
When Shaq hits the deck after Chauncey Billups runs into him, isn’t that a flop? Or are we only talking about the kind of on-ball stuff that Manu does? What about when Kobe throws his hands in the air and screams to exaggerate a foul; is that flopping?
It’s ultimately going to hurt guys who have a reputation for flopping. Manu will get fined for doing the same thing as Chris Paul, but CP wouldn’t be fined because people don’t think of him as a flopper. (Which he is.)
I still say the best way to curb over-flopping is for the refs to simply not call fouls on those plays. If players aren’t getting the whistle for acting, they’ll stop doing it because it’s pointless.
May 29th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
BxBaller says:
Sheed is my Hero. He keep shit 100, ya dig.
May 29th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
yallallreadyknow says:
black ppl vs. niggs
Chris Rock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpUSElgJcyI
May 29th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
yallallreadyknow says:
flopping cheapens the game. drawing fouls is an art, flopping is just a puss move.
and no one over 6′8 should be flopping. get off ur ass, jump up and block a shot!
iverson flops more than anyone else in the league. AND HE DOES IT ON OFFENSE WHEN HE’S DRIBBLING….BREATHE TOO HARD AND IVO WILL FALL 9 STEPS BACK IN THE OTHER DIRECTION. PUSS MOVE
May 29th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
rangerjohn says:
kudabeen
1st, i dont care to cal back people he n wor, nor to i expec or accept bein called cracker.
the 2 terms are maybe not exactly completely equal i the “oppresive” term btnone the less hey hav VERYnegative meanings for their respective party. bottom ine, a black person being called the word is no different the na white person being calledcracker because they both ae negative terms used to put the person down.
and hese dys whna black person says the n word te says ANYTING about it having to do with slavery, i have to ask, “where are our scars?” “who owns you or who owned yor family?”take it up with tat person or thier family.
my family is irish and the irish where persecuted as hard or hardr then MOST other people in this country, and my family never owned slaves so dont take up the “slavey” excuse wih me. it is no longer a vible arguement. not in 2008 (these ar my oppinions, flame away)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZqV2qy9bCg
May 29th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
DaPro says:
Austin I with you on that….Flopping can’t be judge like that
@Yall
You don’t want the big fellas to take charges??? lol
May 29th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
daquest?on a.k.a Heavy Artillery says:
hahhah nice link yalleadyknow…… but im going to have 2 disagree with u in that iverson doent flop,he draws fouls just like kobe…manu is the biggest flopper there is
May 29th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
DaPro says:
Since the headline is “This Sh*% aint basketball”
Peep this article from Jason Whitlock
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8187914/In-NBA-playoffs%2C-less-ink-means-more-viewers
May 29th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
daquest?on a.k.a Heavy Artillery says:
that jason whitlock is wrong ppl dont watch because they have tattoos… when i was a kid my mom dint tell me oh dont watch it cuz they have tattoos and they look like thugsss… so i think his article is somewhat wrong and its racist
May 29th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
yallallreadyknow says:
dapro
if you over 6′8…why the hell you in the lane taking a charge? hells no i dont think big men should be taking charges. no, No and NO.
raise up and block a shot dammit…
May 29th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Kudabeen says:
@rangerjohn
Flame away? I’m not even sure what you are saying. If you feel that a cracker is the same good for you. You obviously don’t know enough about what’s going on. Saying your family didn’t own slaves and asking questions like “Where’s your scars?” is still WEAK in that they don’t deal with reality.
I can’t discuss an issue about race and racial epithets with someone that doesn’t have the same operational definitions. The fact that you think Black folks don’t have scars from slavery, because they didn’t suffer in what you think was the only era of slavery in this country says enough to me. Since your family didn’t own slaves I should allow you to call me a N…? Or do you think you have the authority and morale compass to direct me and everyone else how we should live and speak?
Keep it basketball dude. Let’s all just be better contributors in fostering a greater sense of community and continue to educate ourselves. I can’t direct you on what you should do. I try to understand things and not react or operate out of emotion. I know what I know. You know what you feel. My scars may not be visible to YOUR eyes, but they are to those who love and identify with me. That is the reason why their is certain dynamics of the N word that are deemed “for us”. If you can’t understand that then there is nothing more for me to do. You do you. It’s not even just a Black/White thing it can be a White/White or Black/Black thing. IF you don’t love me or identify with me, how can you ever really engage me in any dialog of understanding.
But you still haven’t answered the question why would you want to use the N word. If you are that example of justice and respect that goes much further than making empty arguments based out of emotion and popular opinion.
I hear, but we aren’t speaking the same language. Sorry, but that’s the way it is.
Let’s just keep it basketball…
May 29th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
DaPro says:
Refs call games inconsistent fam
Some shots you can’t block as a big you can take a charge without flopping
Absorb the contact-a legit charge is clear but I feel u yall its the bs charges that kill the game
@ rangerjohn
Everyone owned slaves, not necessarily your fam but your ancestors did and so did mine
Hell even Africans owned African slaves, I agree we shouldn’t call whites
crackers but it’s not the same brotha(I dig ur view cause u speak from the heart, much luv)
I got luv 4 all
“I live a clean life, I don’t even steal cable,
I speak 4 myself, my n’s a slay u” Nasty Nas
May 29th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Kudabeen says:
Jason is an ‘Inciter’, which can be a very respectful position, because it forces us all to dialog about things we typically withhold or deny.
In Jason’s case I don’t respect him, because he doesn’t even believe what he is saying. It seems he take positions based on how controversial it will be. He flip-flops. I can’t respect a man that blindly categorizes traits or interest people have as signs of disfunction/negativity.
A glutton calling out other gluttons is hypocritical…
Jason Witlock and Stanley “Oscar The Grouch” Crouch are on my “Ish List”. They love beating up on all that’s (young, black, hip-hop, different). Is what it is…
May 29th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
rangerjohn says:
kudabeen
see this is where you think you knowmore then everyone else becase youthrow soe big words out and yet you fail to even coprehend what is being said i have never asked to call anyone the n word, actually i hav said the eact opposite, i have said othing but we sould all stop usnall of those words, cracker, nigger, spick, chink, bolillo what ever word you chose should not be used.
so far kudabeen, you have asked me the same question 3 time and all 3 tmes i have answered the same way, I DO NOT WANT OR CARE TO REFER TO NY BLAC PERSON BY THE N WORD, and i do not want to be refered to a a cracker.
stop trying to sound like you are better then me or anyone else and begin a reading comprehension course.
so what i have to say is his, when i see someone saying “we are owed this because of slavery” i have to ask who is your owner, where where yu a slave?
my grandfather was a slave. he was a bataan death march suvivor in WW2 and was made to be a slve in the condemed copper mines of jaan or 3 yrs during the war. he was beaten, pissedon, burriedalive and left for 3 days 5 TIMES, he spent day on a “hell ship”. i know wat modern day slaves look like (he is the reason i joined the army)
and @dapro
actually my aunt is a “geneologist” by professn, and i can say in all honesty that my “ancestors” did not own slaves in ireland, and came to the USA after slavery was abolished.
(not sure why the key board is not working right keeps missing letters i am pushing)
May 29th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
DaPro says:
No problem brotha,
I might be part Irish bro cause I luv drinking Guiness LOL
Had 2 the lighten the mood, the racial tension is getting heated
We all from the same fraternity here @ Dime-it’s deep that we can politic on here and express our point of view without 2 much non-sense being said
On that note family I’m ghost
Peace!!
May 29th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
daquest?on a.k.a Heavy Artillery says:
@ranger john im havng thesame keyboard problemmmmmmmmm and could we stp this racism stuff this is a b ball site b ball is what joins us together it dont matter what color we are so lets just stick 2 bball
May 29th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
doc says:
All u niggas tripping.I dont give a fuck what nobody want me to say Ima say what I want.Sheed was mad they lost and complained.Austin why would he complain about some shit that went his way that dont make sense.U just a Sheed hater. I think he told the reporter get the fuck out the way with them dumb ass smirks they had on they face.Phil Jack famous for complaining after losses.Pop do it to.Its called working the refs.Thats why they talk to Sheed and explain shit to him during the game.They know he smart and know the game and aint going for that bullshit.Holla back my niggas and crackers.
May 29th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
doc says:
Or i think he should have told the reporter.
May 29th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
daquest?on a.k.a Heavy Artillery says:
how old r u doc?? where u in the special education group when u went to school? cuz must b retarded
May 29th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
daquest?on a.k.a Heavy Artillery says:
yo this is doc…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z48-gKV5eds&feature=user
May 29th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
daquest?on a.k.a Heavy Artillery says:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z48-gKV5eds&feature=user
May 29th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
YOUNGFED says:
Ay Doc that Ish was funny cuzin fuk that. Couldn’t have said it better, except sometimes it good to discuss other things it all ties in to basketball in the in.
May 29th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Three Stacks says:
Not saying any type of racial slur is acceptable, but you gotta be kidding if you think the “nigger” and “cracker” carry the same weight. “Cracker” doesn’t have two hundred years of slavery and oppression behind it.
rangerjohn, I’m sorry for what your grandfather went through, but his individual experience during WAR TIMES does not equate to the denigration of an entire continent (not to mention the Caribbean islands) for several centuries.
I think most ppl here would agree, whether condoning the use of those words or not, that racism is still alive in America. No one can say for sure whether using racial slurs is perpetuating it, but there are much bigger issues than use of the N-word on TV. It’s like complaining about spilled milk when there’s a goddamn flood next door.
Both Chappelle and the Boondocks were/are making attempts to bring the subtlety of racism to the forefront of people’s minds. I think Chappelle quit because he felt he was failing. Aaron McGruder though (creator of the Boondocks) is still keeping at it, and god bless him for it. Those shows aren’t just about comedy.
May 29th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
daquest?on a.k.a Heavy Artillery says:
i think three stacks is right in that the boondocks is more than comedy with the n word..its a satire about things that happen in society today and tht forces us 2 look at ourselves and meditate about our actions
May 29th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
doc says:
I aint no thug at all daquest.Im a 67 year old white man from beverly hills.So dont worry about me since u play in the pros or some shit and played for some school.You talk to talk.Only Internet thug is you.Talking about you went to college and played pro but you hope to be at the predraft camp one day.Leave them fantasies to your sleep dog.You probaly some sucker ass nigga who fucking up some family members electric bill up all day and night.Fall back because when you talk shit it aint funny for nobody on the board.Where are u from.
May 29th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
rangerjohn says:
well to everyone invloved
myself as a white male find the word cracker offensive as much as the n word. the term is for most purposes a “retaliation” for the use of the n word. now my question is this, if “nigger” has such deep roots in the negative, then why would the people being adressed not be offended n mater who or why it is said?
3 stacks
while i do not try to compair wat y gradfather went through to the years of opression i only use it as a reference for what might have been similar circumstances.
a little history
http://www.bataansurvivor.com/content/the_bataan_death_march/1.php
http://home.pacbell.net/fbaldie/Battling_Bastards_of_Bataan.html
(the typing must just be dime)
May 29th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
doc says:
Where I in a special group in school.Do you mean were?Yeah I can see you’re a smart dude .Fed aint nothing wrong with the discussion to me you know I just had to throw my 2 cents in.Everybody want to be politically correct and all that BS.
May 29th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
doc says:
Be correct to yourself.As long as you paying them bills and taking care of yours.You alright with me.
May 29th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
YOUNGFED says:
4sho
Rember YoungFizzle been gettin Papurrrr!! lol
May 29th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Three Stacks says:
I’m unclear on the history of the word, at least on how it became part of black culture to refer to each other with it. In all honestly and logic, black folks probably just started calling each other “nigger” because that’s what they were labeled, just like we call each other “white” and “black” now.
It’s true, though, that the word should carry the same weight regardless of whose lips they come from. Still, hearing it from a black person doesn’t trigger the same emotional response as hearing it from a white person, and I don’t think that’ll ever change. I think that comes from the notion that “black people can’t be racist to black people,” which is absolutely untrue.
Thank you for the link, rangerjohn, it was an interesting read. Learned something new.
May 29th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
daquest?on a.k.a Heavy Artillery says:
1st i aint using a comp 2nd im still in college and i cant play cuz of some rule and 3rd u probaby jealous
May 29th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
daquest?on a.k.a Heavy Artillery says:
probably* and how many languages do u know??? one and barely
May 29th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
rangerjohn says:
3 stacks
what is interesting about the links and the topic in the links, it was BY FAR the greatest AMRICAN tragedy of ww2 and most people do not even know what it was about. there is a memorial to pearl harbor and yet there where only 2503 deaths there (ironicly about 1/2 of the TOTAL in iraq) and 70,000 captured, 12,000 us and about 11,000 died on the march alone.
there are few americans wo know about the whole story. i was told stories mywhole life by my dad and grandfather. stoies that ould give nightmares to anyone.
this link has some very good info
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=3667
my grandfatherwas forced to work in a copper mine owned y MITSUBISHI, needless to say he never owned anything made by them.
May 29th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
doc says:
Well youngin get ya degree and make the league I aint hating on you.Im good with my life dog.Im 25 be 26 June 6th and work at a fucking rec center for Sheed that help the kids from my hood do something other than move that work on the block.Good pay, good hours,and I dont do shit but watch these little dudes play ball.Im good.I wouldnt even say shit to you if you didnt wait for me every day.Get somebody else to come at because your shit aint strong enough to me.When dudes talk faggot shit or about somebody family.That mean he either a pussy who cant say it to a man face so he say it on a computer or he aint got no hip shit to say.So learn game you young punk.But how you cant play dont lie halfway.Tell us who you played pro for.
May 29th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
daquest?on a.k.a Heavy Artillery says:
ok i played for the bayamon cowboys when i was 16-18 and i stopped because it was getting the way with my education
May 29th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Rodney King says:
Can’t we all just get along?
May 29th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
daquest?on a.k.a Heavy Artillery says:
oh really.. u wouldnt say shit 2 me waht about the draft camp thing? saying i was gonna b a groupie man gtoh thats my dream stop hating cuz ur time passed and all u can do now is work at a rec center
May 29th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
daquest?on a.k.a Heavy Artillery says:
getting to the league is extra difficult andi know i probably wont make it thats why i make my education the top priority but that dont mean im going to give up b4 trying
May 29th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
doc says:
Well listen up cowboy,if you dont scream my handle until you see me on the site it wont be no problems.I aint never try to make the league thats your dream I just fall back and help the kids.Where the hell is Bayamon,I knew you was from somewhere crazy.
May 29th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
daquest?on a.k.a Heavy Artillery says:
k then … bayamon is in puerto rico
May 29th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
GEE...Only talk to one cat and he won't squeal says:
dang work is a mutha lol. I missed a deep one here today. I am late to the party so I’ll just say the N word ain’t right. Done. lol.