NBA / May 9, 2008 / 11:06 am
Not Everybody Digs Chris Paul
Is the face of a flopper?Apparently the Chris Paul love-fest hasn’t overcome everyone in the hoop universe. You’d be shocked to learn that Spurs fans don’t like him, which it totally understandable.
From Pounding the Rock today (complete with a great post headline by the way):
If flopping is a scourge then Paul is one of the infectious agents. At one point, after getting a nothing of an elbow from Oberto, he proceeded to attempt a triple sow chow down the lane. It was shocking, appalling and it almost made me throw my flip-flop at my plasma t.v. That’s not cool.
Do you think CP is a flopper?
May 9th, 2008 at 11:10 am
yallallreadyknow says:
No.
and this comment better not be coming from a spurs/ginobli fan of all ppl.
drawing fouls in this league is an art…
…flopping is just a bitchassness puss move
May 9th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Mister Sun says:
well, first of all the spurs fans shouldn’t complain about flopping because we all know manu.
i think he just tries everything to win, reminds me of isiah thomas: all smiles off the court, knowing all “tricks” on the floor
May 9th, 2008 at 11:17 am
MAMBA says:
well it doesn’t really matter its part of the game and hes learning how to get attention from refs. Until the nba fixes the flop issue EVERYONE is gonna do it, not to mention they tarnished bowen’s and the spurs image by calling him a dirty player so its even easier for paul when he checks him
May 9th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Dime Magazine says:
read his post, he acknowledges that the Spurs are “the rulers of Flopdom.”
- PC
May 9th, 2008 at 11:19 am
GEE...Don't be pullin on my church clothes! says:
Mister Sun absolute.
The Flopping King plays for the Spurs so how they even gonna open that door to blame someone else.
I am good with CP he doesn’t really flop to me. If you wanna go that way, LeBron does more flopping at this point than CP.
They just mad.
May 9th, 2008 at 11:24 am
the_don_mega says:
@Gee…
i dunno but i dont think lebron flops just for the sheer fun of it… remember, he’s 6′8 260+ lbs… he dont get the benefit of the call that often (picture shaq in his prime). i guess thats the main reason he flops… just to emphasize that, hey i aint superhuman… i get hurt too…
May 9th, 2008 at 11:27 am
Logan Light says:
I wouldn’t label CP a flopper if for no other reason than his size. I’m sure he embellishes his nicks and bumps, but really he does get beat pretty hard… Same thing with LeBron. He’s SO big that if he didn’t “show” the refs that he got hit there would be no call…
BUT - I did post this before - I blame Manu Ginobli for the leagues flopping problem. I wish someone would really foul him, take the suspension or fine, and show the refs what a real foul is. I don’t wish Manu to get seriously injured, but really; SOMEONE PUT HIM ON HIS @$$.
May 9th, 2008 at 11:28 am
Logan Light says:
@the_don
Great minds… good post.
May 9th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Jim says:
Yeah, this is a lack of perspective, which we occasionally see in sports fans. But I bet Julius Hodge might also be on the list. Just saying.
But that offensive foul against Posey last night was silly flopping by LeBron, seriously.
May 9th, 2008 at 11:31 am
doc says:
No Spurs fan can bitch about flopping ever.
May 9th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Tom says:
“doc says:
No Spurs fan can bitch about flopping ever”
WORD!!!
May 9th, 2008 at 11:36 am
GEE...Don't be pullin on my church clothes! says:
the_don_mega I will give you that. You are prolly right. Still I hate that it (he) has to resort to that. Although as we all have seen sometimes it’s …pure floppin lol.
I love when someone flops and has that cofused look on their face and the ref just stands there like “What”?
No call B**** get up!
May 9th, 2008 at 11:42 am
VQ says:
In the words of Herman Edwards…”you play to win the GAME!!”
Flop all you want, this is the playoffs, all you got to do is by 1 point…do what you gotta do to win the game!
May 9th, 2008 at 11:49 am
CPA says:
That was an obvious flop by CP3 on that play. If you are going to complain about it, don’t do it.
May 9th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Dime Magazine says:
yeah, it’s annoying when guys flop, but they do it because the refs let them get away with it. like VQ says in comment #13, you play to win the game. guys will do whatever it takes to get that W. it’s on the refs to not call that stuff.
- PC
May 9th, 2008 at 11:54 am
the_don_mega says:
@Logan Light…
tnx for support!
@Gee
you do have a great point there man, sometimes, i’d give you that, sometimes it really does get crazy if great players (not just lebron) actually resort to flopping..
May 9th, 2008 at 11:55 am
nick says:
yeah manu is the leader of flopping in the league right now. i wouldn’t put cp3 into the flopping category. but the best flopper was vlade divac, he possibly started the trend.
May 9th, 2008 at 11:58 am
doc says:
Bill Lambeer was a flopping ass too.
May 9th, 2008 at 11:59 am
DaPro says:
Manu didn’t start the art of flopping.
Nick, Vlade was the best no question.
May 9th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
alex says:
to those who said cp3 is NOT a flopper - did you actually watch the game last night? he flops on most contacts with bigs and whines more than any of the spurs.
with all that flopping, i wish horry puts cp3 in his place soon
May 9th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
doc says:
Thats all Horry good for now fucking people up because his game is done
May 9th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Logan Light says:
@DaPro
In my previous post (why people hate the spurs thread) I did indeed credit Vlade with introducing the NBA to flopping. BUT I still hold firm that Manu has taken it to the next level and has taught every member of the Spurs his tricks. It’s like watching a team play with epilepsy sometimes… they throw in their head bobs and arm flails… it hurts to watch.
MANU IS TO BLAME!!
@ Alex
Yes, I saw the game… but I would call it (all) flopping. To me, the flop is a result of made up contact. I guess CP3 highlights his bumbs… but you’re right, he does talk with the refs quite a bit. But no one is as bad at that as Tim Duncan.
May 9th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Logan Light says:
** I meant to say:
“I would NOT call it (all) flopping.”
May 9th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
alex says:
@logan - Manu flops on brushed screens, and when he actually takes it to the basket, gets hit, and then exaggerates the contact (to make the foul obvious). CP3 flops even on dead-ball situations, gets tangled up everywhere, gets involved in stare-downs and arguments. When you flop, you flop and just take the fuckin free throws. He flops and then goes on running to the refs and acts as if he just ‘got bullied’ when he actually instigated the contact.
As talented and good as he is, there’s just no respect for that.
May 9th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
JDizzle says:
Regarding the play between Oberto and Paul. In my opinion, Paul did that dramatic fall as a reaction to Oberto flopping on the previous play and trying to get an offensive foul on Paul. Paul was just kidding! He was showing up Oberto. If you notice, he pointed to Oberto after the play and he was talking to him, probably saying, “see how it feels when someone flops on you !” Manu and oberto are notorious for this. I wonder if it’s an Argentine thing, although Luis Scola doesn’t seem to do it. Anyway, I can’t stand it. It does make you want to see them get fouled hard. Paul is amazing, and I’m pulling for the Hornets to to go all the way. I’m a Warriors fan, but they are by far the most exciting team in the playoffs this year.
May 9th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
andy says:
We hate CP in Argentina!
May 9th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Logan Light says:
Alex and JDizzle
I did find it humorous that in game 1 when Bowen went down with a “broken nose” and grabbed his face in agony, there was a shot of Chris Paul on the sideline mimicking him and laughing. It might just be the case that CP has decided to start flopping in retaliation to the Spurs… honestly, I haven’t noticed much of it in the regular season, but then again, I didn’t catch many Hornets games.
The WORST Manu flop comes on the drive. He pump fakes, drives into his defender and then throws his head back so as to show the ref, “Look, he just gave me whiplash” and then goes all crazy legs through the lane before scooping a lay up (after the whistle) and then falling down. Unacceptable.
May 9th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
JDizzle says:
Logan
I really do think that Paul is just making fun of them. His flop was WAY too over the top to be serious. He was totally exaggerating. I thought it was hilarious.
May 9th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
CJ says:
i hate floppin as much as the next guy, but these cats are gonna get away was as much as they can to win. all the greats do it. i’ve seen stockton, jordan, steve smith and a whole buncha vets tug on their defenders arms to make it look they’re reachin, or pushin’ ‘em over.
having said that, i was watchin the Euro semi-finals recently and the ref gave a guy a tech for floppin. that may open up a can of worms, but maybe stern aughta take a look at it.
May 9th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
rodnets says:
Im from Argentina and a Hornets fan, flopping is not an art in my country, its a part of the game, in al around FIBA basketball has become a useful resource (European players flop, Brazilians flop).
It has also to do with the personality, Id rather have a Manu or a CP3 in my team, instead of some dude who can´t play and is not even smart to flop and go to the line.
Peace
Peace, and Go Hornets.
May 9th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
GEE...Don't be pullin on my church clothes! says:
Wondering if a lot of these Hornets fans, where fans when they were the CHARLOTTE Hornets? Hmmmm.
May 9th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
rangerjohn says:
this is what pisses me off about spurs haters
“i think he just tries everything to win”
same could be said of manu or tony or timmy.
but to say that chris paul flopping is “just trying everything to win” and saying “the spurs are the flop kings” is hypocritical and just an ignorant statement. get off chris pauls nutsack and read the entire article.
the whole “the nba needs to do something about flopping” conversation is just tired man it is so freakin old i mean really.
talk all you want about the spurs flopping but they never pulled no WALK into someone and triple lindy off of said person to try to draw a foul like chris paul has tried 1 time IN ALL 3 GAMES!2 timeson bowen (both times with bowens back turned) and once on his “friend” tony parker. spurs dont push people in the back to get them out of the way either, spurs dont pull chicken shit stuff like that, they are gonna look you in the eyes while the fuck you!
May 9th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
rangerjohn says:
come on doc, all horry is good for is pounding people? really? did you not see him bury a 3 like nothing in the 4th last night? i mean it was only a 10 point game with 6 minutes left and the hornets are going to leave horry all the time in the world to take a 3? come on he is ROBERT FREAKING HORRY, he is not called “big shot rob” for nothing. he has single handedly put an end to at MINIMUM 3 teams seasons with shots like that!
May 9th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Diego says:
Alex nailed it in post 24. Manu may be (is) the king of flopping, but Paul is the king of bumping. Two players incidently bump into each other on the dead-ball, and Paul goes sprawling and instigating. It happens seemingly at least once a game. It seems to me he is a superstar in the NBA, but was an ass at Wake Forest and still is an ass in the NBA. (He gets no Katrina points from me.) What comes around goes around, and sooner or later Paul will be humbled by a life experience (as Kobe basically was as a result of his Colorado experience).
May 9th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
JDizzle says:
I think it all depends on whether the floppers are on your team or not. I can’t stand Derek Fisher’s flopping, but when he played for the Warriors I didn’t seem to notice it as much. I loved watching John Stockton play, but when I watch some of the old Jazz games, I see that he flopped all the damn time!! It’s funny, it doesn’t bother you until someone is doing it to your team.
What do you guys think?
May 9th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
doc says:
im talking about now ranger.That big shot shit is the past but thats ya team u still got hope.It was over when he hit that 3 last night.
May 9th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
rangerjohn says:
jdizzle i completely agree
same for you diego i agree
May 9th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
rangerjohn says:
hey gee
not to start our entire conversation about the whole point guard vs center/paul vs howard but did you get a look at the all nba team?
2 legit centers (howard and yao) 2 guys that are “borderline centers (amare and duncan) then 3 legit PGs (paul,williams,nash) and 3-4 others who play “point” regualrly and nobody would have much issue with the running the show (kobe, tracy, manu, and labron)
cant teach size
how you like them apples?
May 9th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Celts Fan says:
my favorite part about that is they’re saying Paul, who was driving at the time, so a guy who’s under 6′ going full speed, gets hit by Oberto, a 7 footer with about 100lbs on CP3, and goes flying. That’s not a flop, that’s called physics.
May 9th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
PALakerFan says:
Reggie Miller was the King of perimiter floppers. Goony fucker would get them skinny arms flailin at any contact, them start jabberin to the ref with the big ears and bad teeth. Just added to the pity affect. Reggie killed wrist bands too. You suck Reggie.
May 9th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
doc says:
But Ranger them 2’s are not points and u dont want them bringing the ball down all the time like u do CP3 and D-Will.Kob and Manu got good coaches so if they bring it up its to be a decoy or they in jack mode.Bron and T-Mac need PGs thats why they teams aint shit now.U said 2 legit and 2 borderline centers,but named 3 legit and4 borderline to not at all pGs.Whats the difference.
May 9th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
PALakerFan says:
Talkin about physics and machismo, what the hell’s up with Lebron flopping in Game 1. Dude talks about his size all the time 6′9″ 260 or whatever his “Blue Chips”-style size is these days, and there he is falling like he got close lined by the wimpy hand to the face by Cassell. Dude! Don’t talk about how big and tough you are all the time and then pull that bull.
May 9th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
rangerjohn says:
oh come on celts fan oberto is ONLY 6′10″ and 245 lbs, making him 10″ taller and 70 lbs heavier lmao not 100 lbs
i mean really lmao
there is a physics arguement to be made but there is also the arguement that oberto didnt run right into him, but more hit him with an arm which weighs what 25 lbs? so that 25 lb arm didnt use physics to knock paul down, paul used flopology to fall down.
that is the “official” term for the “Art” of flopping, FLOPOLOGY, remember that
May 9th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Student of the Game says:
It doesnt matter cause the Spurs flop more than any team in the league.
May 9th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
rangerjohn says:
doc, yao (who should have never made the all nba team with only 55 games on the season, should have gone to a jefferson or even an okur, or pau over yao) and howard are the only 2 players on those teams that play center exclusively, duncan HATES playing center, and amare should never be playing center, they are both power forwards.
it shows (especially the yao coice) how few GOOD bigs there actually are.
the 3 legit pg’s and the 4 borderline shows how the point cant be compensated for by skill and teaching, but the center possition cant be played by just anybody.
and did you watch the NO/SA game last night? manu ran the point every time parker sat, no vaughn, no mighty mouce, manu, thats not a decoy. kobe runs the point in the 4th not as a decoy, he runs it to take over and control the game, same for labron and same for tracy. it shows that a decent ball handler can run the show at the point.
garnett can play center, labron maybe, who else on that list? dirk? no way, boozer? no way. i bet any team in the league would trust and guard on the list and a couple forwards (pierce/labron) to run the offense from the point.
May 9th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
doc says:
Duncan and Amare would still make that team if they played center every minute of the season Ranger.By the all star 2’s bringing the ball up shows just how hard it is to get a PG u can trust with that rock so they give it to they stars.How long did Parker sit really.
May 9th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
yallallreadyknow says:
nobody flops more than allen iverson, and he flops on offense!! he flops when he’s dribbling….horrible to watch. and i luv iverson. but the bitch needs to stop his offensive flopping.
May 9th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
rangerjohn says:
doc
i agree about duncan/amare but they are not “true” centers, and as i stated the other guys are not “true” point guards.
as for how long did parker sit, almost 10 minutes total, so manu played point for almost 1/4 of the entire time he was in the game with parker out, and then they shared some while they where both in.
but again i ask who on that list could consistently play the 5 spot effectively. who should replace yao? look at al lthe “quality bigs” that could not even get considered, then look at the poit guards that could have, parker, miller, billups, kidd, rondo. imo there are more servicable point guards then there are centers. this is exactly what a d howard gets taken over a paul.
but then this arguement was really over yesterday, i just had to give gee shot flack over his pick
May 9th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
rangerjohn says:
oh and how crappy is bonzi wells? missed 2 “easy dunk/layups”, a wide open 3, and could guard NOBODY!
rockets are happy to have his sorry ass gone
May 9th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
rootsradical says:
i remember seeing him pretend to be poked in the eye. he dragged it out for about five minutes even the replay showed that it never happened. i was a little annoyed with it because he’s too good to be doing shit like that but still, the spurs have no right to complain.
May 9th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
alex says:
when kobe brings up the ball, it makes the other team’s defense work harder because he is a threat right from the start of the offense. sometimes teams are ‘relaxed’ until a play is called but when kobe or manu bring up the ball, they can take advantage and just blow by to the rim right away.
for manu, the spurs don’t have a decent back-up pg so they just use manu. if they use vaughn or damon, that’s another position wasted offensively.
ranger: you nailed it that while the spurs like to flop and make it easier for the refs to call a foul - they don’t do cheap shots and instigate unnecessary contacts and then flop after like cp3 does. young guys like him have no business flopping. Its a tactic to disguise age (reggie miller, vince carter) or lack of skill (vlade divac)
May 9th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
JDizzle says:
rangerjohn
Yeah, I thought Bonzi’s play really hurt the Hornets. He missed a couple of easy shots, a couple of jumpers, and he fouled Manu on that four point play. He just looked overmatched out there. I did like the way Julian Wright played though. It made me forget he was a rookie. The Hornets have an exciting future. I think they need to upgrad at the 2 though. Morris Peterson ain’t cuttin’ it.
May 9th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
doc says:
u right ranger its more servicable pg’s but its about the same amount in each of GREAT players.Servicable gets u there.Greatness pulls it out.
May 9th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
rangerjohn says:
yeah i think the hornets are the team to beat i nthe west NEXT year. no offense to the lakers but the hornets have more money to play with and their youth is better then the lakers youth.
doc, this is kind of my point, “servicable gets you there greatness pulls it out”, a servicable point and a great big IMO is a better combo then a great point and a servicable big. plus there are so few “servicable bigs” compaired to servicable pg’s. the drop off at the center possition is so great, the drop off at the point is not nearly as bad.
i think everyone agrees paul is the top pg right now, but from there, williams, parker, nash, kidd, harris, miller, the list goes on and gets lesser but the dropoff is not nearly as big as it is at center.
i still hate that yao got on the all nba team with only 55 games. imo jefferson should have gotten that spot.
May 9th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
TG says:
Paul is indeed a flopper. But considering how the Spurs are probably the current kings of that particular “talent”, they really shouldn’t be complaining.
May 9th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
alex says:
DOC: the lakers won 3 championships without a great PG. The rockets won 2 in the 90’s without one either. Both had HOF centers.
Bulls won 6 rings without both - but they had the G.O.A.T offensive player, and in my opinion, the G.O.A.T defensive wing in Pippen, and the G.O.A.T rebounder, positional defender in Rodman.
May 9th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Mo says:
So the Spurs don’t like being given a dose of their own medicine? LMAO!
May 9th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
girlybballluver says:
I didn’t read all of the posts so forgive me if I repeat something that’s been said already.
I love the spurs, and I love CP…but he does flop. Remember what he pulled on Bowen in front of the refs in game one? Bowen barely grazed him, and he practically went flying into the stands. I’m not complaining though, he’s little and trying to win. As long as the refs keep callin’ the fouls on flopping, everyone will continue to do it.
Oh yea…when it comes to flopping, Lebron is quickly becoming one of the worst offenders. He’s too big for that bs. C’mon!!!
May 9th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
rangerjohn says:
@ mo
nobody said anything about the spurs complaining about the flopping, spurs dont really care and dont have any room to talk, thing is cp gets away with things and nobody says a word, manu doesnt flop or bowen doesnt foul and they get blamed for it regardless. point being, even the playing field, calling cp a flopper just balances things a little and maybe opens a few eyes that IT IS NOT JUST THE SPURS. it also opens eyes to chris paul is no saint. he does what it takes to win, manu does the same exact things and he gets killed for it.
get off cp3s nutsack and open the eyes
May 9th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
doc says:
all Im saying is its a rarity for greatness in both ALEX.I aint say you couldnt win with either one.But Ranger rigt it is more of a dropoff at Center than PG.
May 9th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
rangerjohn says:
here is another thing that bugs the crap out of me,
spurs won last night, they had a very dominating 4th quarter and a nice 3rd (which have been their issues this series), tony parker AT WORST played chris paul to a draw, manu dominated, and yet all the talk is about how chris paul “shined” last night! i mean really, how did parker shine last night? paul didnt do anything parker didnt do. he had a couple more points, a couple less assists, and a couple less rebounds then parker. they both got to the rim at will. go ahead keep taking away from the spurs, we will take that to the conf finals in 6!
May 9th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Brado says:
I wouldn’t have considered CP3 a flopper before the All-Star break, but since then has become one.
May 9th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
alex says:
@ranger - hope you’re right bro’. Spurs in 7 is my call. Let cp3 get his, and lock down all his teammates at the same time.
Rooting for anybody but Boston in the East. Damn KG talks and shouts, and pops his jersey way too much. Dude might play better if he just relaxed a little.
May 9th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
poop says:
everyone flops
May 9th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
BxBaller says:
Wow!!! They hate CP for one flop, but are okay when Ginobili does it everytime. Very hypocritical.
May 9th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
GEE...Don't be pullin on my church clothes! says:
@ ranger.
This is not Good Will Hunting and I don’t eat apples.
Now that is the thing, no you can’t teach size but you can get a 4 who is and can play a 5 spot easy these days.
Case in point. ranger who is getting more pub at this time. CP
Closer to getting MVP. CP
Can run and finish the break. CP (Your guy can’t run the break and you know it.)
You guy can block shots and mine gets steals.
Who is likely to foul out quicker. DH
Who has a limited offensive game. DH
Who has more of an effect on his whole team. CP
Trust me pleasseee trust me when I say I can go on. CP is just the better choice.
How you like them cocoNUTS! LOL
May 9th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
rangerjohn says:
lmao gee
good will hunting lmao jason bourne as a genius lmao
now all that being said, howard CAN run on the break, he doesnt handle the ball due to shear logistics (when you are 7′ tall it has to travel farther to get to your hand)
getting publicity has nothing to do with skill (ask kwame brown, he got a ton after getting traded, or ask bruce bowen, he isnt exactly skilled but he gets publicity, not for the right reasons but these 2 get it none the less)
cp3 is the “flavor of the month”
like i been asking, where does paul go from here? he cant go up much more, if any, all down hill when you are at the top of the mountain.
howard right now, averaging 21 and 16 rebounds with 3.8 blocks (when was the last time anyone did that?)
paul, 25 points, 12 assists and 2 steals. now think about this, jason kidd averaged a tripple double last year in the playoffs (granted he went out early)
paul is getting the publicity for 2 reasons, 1 he is in NO and we all know about that city and the current nba 2)he took out the mavs and jason kidd convincingly (not an easy task 5 YRS AGO)and he has had 3 good games against the defending champs.
howard might be limited offensively now but he has gotten better every year, so i ask where does paul go from here?
i would say they both hava huge effect on their hwole team and i would call that a wash, paul with his drive and kicks and passing, howard with his defense but see this is the problem with the nba, NOBODY CARES ABOUT DEFENSE! the nba fans are all about scoring, this is why guys like motumbo will never make the HOF even though IMO he deserves it, same for the worm and a host of others.
paul was closer to winning an mvp yes for 2 reasons, 1 record, and 2 trun around of the team. now on the 2nd (the 1st is self explanitory) paul really didnt turn the team around, lack of injuries did. peja missed almost the entire season, west missed almost half and paul missed 18 games last season so sure they where a lotory team. now all those guys are healthy so they win. it is simple logic!
got off the cocoNUTS!
May 9th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Chuck...A source of knowldge for all says:
@rangerjohn
I think your love for the spurs and your hate for Chris Paul often times makes you borderline delusional.
I mean you my people and all, and you supercool, but when someone starts talking about the spurs and is often times telling the TRUTH, you be on some other sh*t.
Bruce Bowen has kicked people, stuck his foot underneath people who take j’s on more than one occassion, and yes the spurs scratch and claw, and cheat at times, just like ALL teams who want to win do.
Chris Paul and Tony Parker and Manu went off last night, but they constantly talk about Chris Paul, because NO ONE has been able to stop him, Manu had a sh*tty game 1 and 2, and they switch Bowen off Paul, and he STILL dominates, and yes they had a strong 4th, but before that where were the Hornets? Right on their tail.
I ain’t taken nothin away from the spurs, because YES, they are the world champions for now. But you gotta give Paul his props no matter how much you hate him, or your just being biased and subjective, and that akins you to a Bill O’Reilly or some sh*t, someone who is so blanketed in his own opinions he can’t think outside his own box, and that sh*t is annoying.
May 9th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
rangerjohn says:
chuck i respect what you have to say, i dont agree, i have always said paul is playing better then just about anyone, but i am soo tired of everyone hanging off him like they do. i mean look around the net at the sports sites, how many have “chris paul has monster game 3″ type stuff, then it goes into “oh yeah the spurs won by the way, but chris paul is unstopable” i mean really, all the talk has been the hornets are killing the spurs and there is nothing the spurs can do, well thy proved last night the hornets are stopable, and that there are things they can do.
chris paul has a nice game, no doubt but give parker some credit, he matche paul shot for shot damn near. you hear very little about “tony parker has monster game” hell even the “highlight” put up here by dime was all about chris paul while it was labeled as being about paul AND parker.
the spurs hate gets OLD! the spurs come back and even this series up and will gaurantee there will be some BS about how good NO played in game 4 or how the spurs “still cant guard paul” well you know what, they couldnt guard amare last year, what happened, they couldnt hardly guard him this year either but damn what happened.
i would rather talk about kobe (whom i cant stand any more then paul) then listen to everyon all up on pauls jockstrap.
May 9th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
rangerjohn says:
oh and as for bowen, i dont call him dirty, i will say you can call him what you want but I dont call him dirty and i say this any person who say they would not take bruce bowen 3 yrs ago on their team is FUCKING LIAR!
May 9th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
SWAT says:
What up people…sorry joined the convo late on this one. I will say that 3 years ago i would not have taken Bowen! I will stick with Battier…same type of defender but better offense. I say that to say that you can see the diff between someone who actually plays d and not trying to hurt cats. But i will agree that all these cats are jumping on the cp3 bandwagon. Dude is a nice guy on and off and i have been a fan since wake forest. Really the “Brian” story just made me more of a fan.
May 9th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
rangerjohn says:
ok on a totally different subject, this is possibly the funniest thing i have seen yet
(language and not basketball but hell i though you guys could apreciate this)
http://www.break.com/index/crazy-subway-girl.html
May 9th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
james says:
I dont think Chris Paul flops too much at this point. He just shouldn’t take it any further. Lebron’s been floppin more than him, in game 1 of the celts n cavs he faked it like he got hit really hard by sam cassel and they called a flagrant. After the game when they reviewed it Lebron hadn’t even been touched. I mean Lebron even let his mouthgaurd fall out. Don’t get me wrong, LEbron does get hit hard sometimes, but he can take the hits.
May 9th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
james says:
I dont think Chris Paul flops too much at this point. He just shouldn’t take it any further. Lebron’s been floppin more than him, in game 1 of the celts n cavs he faked it like he got hit really hard by sam cassel and they called a flagrant. After the game when they reviewed it Lebron hadn’t even been touched. I mean Lebron even let his mouthgaurd fall out. Don’t get me wrong, LEbron does get hit hard a lotta times, but he can take the hits.
May 9th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
knocks says:
All of you who are saying “This is written by Spurs fans” are missing the point. I’m not a Spurs fan or a Hornets fan.
Manu is a flopper, Bowen flops a lot too. But Chris Paul, in this series at least, has been flopping better than Vlade did back in his prime. He knows that the refs will be paying close attention to Bowen’s D, so any kind of bump, he goes jumping around, flailing his arms everywhere.
This ish is ruining the game…Kobe flops all the time. Yes, Lebron flops too. As Jeff Van Gundy said, the L has to address this problem, because it’s ruining the game.
What sucks, is that the L is making it a point to make this game less physical, giving slashers and scorers more of an advantage…..this way the games become more “exciting” (at least the league thinks so). What then happens is, because the refs allow little to no contact, any fool that wants to add 2-3 points per game is going to flop like a little b**** (no offense to CP3) just to get calls.
Sickening.
May 9th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Desert Storm says:
what chuck said
Spurs fans complainin about teams floppin is like Denver fans callin teams out for not playin defense. Just hypocritical. This story shoulda had one comment:
Manu flops, Chris Paul flops - May the best man win.
It’s called reality
May 9th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Chuck says:
@rangerjohn
Bruce Bowen used to be a beast on defense, and yeah I would have taken him 3 years ago, but my man do have some dirty ways sometimes, just like paul does.
May 9th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
rangerjohn says:
chuck fair enough
May 10th, 2008 at 1:19 am
T-Bone says:
yallallreadyknow had it on the first post.
Anyone who tries to say anything else is drinking the Spurs’ kool aid. (Silver and black flavor) Fuckin gross. The worst stuff on earth.
May 10th, 2008 at 5:25 am
karan says:
wait wait wait wait wait
are spurs fans calling OTHER PLAYERS floppers?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
thats like jamal crawford calling antoine walker a ‘jacker’
May 11th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
KMP says:
Check out my blog on Richard Jefferson’s choking incident:
http://kmposted.blogspot.com/2008/05/nba-richard-jeffersons-drama-kmps-pov.html
leave a comment.
May 12th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
E$ says:
when he is losing, CP3 will get a little spoiled & start doing some “street *hit” out there, but he can play some ball. Just watch his attitude when they are down, he’s plotting to do something