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Dwight Howard (photo. Mannion)Right after the final buzzer sounded and the Pistons had taken a 2-0 series lead on the Magic, we got a great camera shot of Stan Van Gundy spewing venom at a referee, screaming “That’s f***ing bulls***!” before storming off to the locker room. He could have been talking about a couple of things: Like the clock-operator goof at the end of the third quarter that bought the Pistons extra time for Chauncey Billups to knock down a three right before the buzzer (which became very significant since the game ended up being close). Or Van Gundy could’ve been mad at the weak off-ball foul called on Keyon Dooling when Orlando was trying to send Detroit to the line late in the fourth quarter, a call that gave the Pistons the free throws AND the ball back, enabling them to ice the game easily … Then again, SVG could have directed some of that anger at Rashard Lewis, too. After busting their ass to stay within striking distance, Orlando was down by two points with 17 seconds left. They ran a great inbounds play that got Rashard the ball wide open from three-point land straightaway, with Dwight Howard (22 pts, 18 rebs) playing fullback to seal off anyone who came near Lewis (20 pts). But for whatever reason Rashard passed up the triple, deciding to drive into the defense and throw up a tough scoop shot that missed. Dwight missed the tip-in attempt and Hedo Turkoglu bobbled the ball out of bounds, and that was Orlando’s last good chance at stealing a win before the series goes to Florida … Not to put the entire loss on Rashard’s shoulders, but they’re paying him $118 million to come through in moments like that. No reason he shouldn’t have taken that three; it just seemed like he didn’t want it … Trying to quell theories that the end-of-quarter clock issue was some Detroit home cooking, it was pointed out that the assigned clock operator for the game was actually from Minnesota. Mike Fratello jumped right on it: “So he probably knows Flip Saunders.” … Did you see Keith Bogans almost get dropped as he was backpedaling against a sprinting Billups? The only thing that saved Keith was grabbing Chauncey (28 pts) on the way down and taking the foul instead of making it onto YouTube … Jameer Nelson is getting better at his decision-making and played pretty well yesterday (offensively at least), but he still does stuff on occasion that makes you scratch your head. Late in the fourth quarter on a critical possession, Jameer (22 pts, 7 rebs) took the ball and went careening to the hoop without a thought of passing, trying to muscle in a layup over Jason Maxiell that got sent back in his face. At some point Jameer will realize that he’s not at Chester High School or St. Joe’s anymore and doesn’t have to do it all by himself … It’s kind of silly to write them off after two games, but the Spurs really look like they might be done. Going into Game Two with a built-in asterisk (Tim Duncan had apparently been deathly sick for the last two days), they kept it close in the first half but got blown out in the third quarter on their way to getting almost 20-pieced … Yesterday on DimeMag.com we looked at some of the League’s deadliest “Soul Crushers” — those signature plays that are more than your average backbreaker and can swing momentum in one second. That would include Kobe’s impossible fadeaway and Rasheed’s long-ball, but last night we saw that Peja’s three-ball might be the coldest Soul Crusher in the L. Multiple times last night, just when you thought the Spurs had a bit of a chance, Peja (25 pts, 5 threes) would rise and fire and put them back in an insurmountable hole … How freaking good is Chris Paul? He was incredible last night, putting up 30 points and 12 assists with just one turnover, keeping the ball on a yo-yo and actually making Tony Parker (11 pts, 3 asts) look slow. Can anyone remember the last time a point guard went into his first postseason and dominated like this? You’d have to go back to 1984, when 22-year-old Isiah Thomas averaged 21 points and 11 dimes in his first playoff series with the Pistons. But even that team got knocked out in the first round. CP is looking like he could knock off the defending champs … Duncan had 18 points and 8 boards but still wasn’t his usual postseason self. Maybe we were wrong and Melvin Ely is some kind of TD expert. Maybe he is the 7-foot Ruben Patterson. And if he can sell this whole “Duncan Stopper” thing, he’ll have a job in the League as long as Duncan is playing … If San Antonio is gonna get back in this series, they need a big game from Manu Ginobili. So far he’s been turning the ball over early and letting it take him out of his game the rest of the way. They also need to consistently hit those corner threes. Bruce Bowen was playing out of his skull in Game 1, but yesterday he didn’t have it. And Ime Udoka couldn’t hit anything — those two and Michael Finley went a combined 2-for-13 beyond the arc and the team went 8-for-27 as a whole. Three-pointers are a big part of their offense and they’re not gonna beat New Orleans unless they get their act together. (Is Mario Elie still in shape?) … Did Mike Woodson do enough to save his job by taking the Celtics to Game Seven? That’s just one of the decisions ATL’s front-office has to make this summer. More importantly they’ve got a free-agent Josh Smith to deal with. What would you do to keep the Hawks relevant? … A couple bits of ridiculousness HERE and HERE that had us laughing all day. Funny how neither clip has anything to do with the Knicks, but we couldn’t help being reminded of Eddy Curry and Zach Randolph … We’re out like CP’s ceiling …
May 6th, 2008 at 1:07 am
Kill_The_Beast! says:
THE spurs are old! damn!
May 6th, 2008 at 1:12 am
Remy Nguyen says:
Second!
May 6th, 2008 at 1:34 am
MoxWestCoastRep says:
TRES! Happy Cinco de Drinko!
WTF was that BS about the shot clock?? A little home-cookin at the palace???
Whatever, I think the Magic ans Spurs will both hold home court and these two series are far over.
On the other hand…The Jazz are in a heap of trouble if they go down 2-0.
Excited to see Bron Bron go in to Bean town for a rumble…Lets do this!!
May 6th, 2008 at 1:35 am
bill says:
holy quick comments batman
May 6th, 2008 at 1:38 am
bill says:
chris paul the TRUE MVP
May 6th, 2008 at 1:43 am
Chosen says:
Have u seen CPs bowen like tactics to get under the skin of everyone opposing him? Big ups to the back of duncans head, way to take dem nuts! LAKERS SWEEP
May 6th, 2008 at 1:48 am
TL says:
Man, i’m so sick and tired of the dirty plays by Paul. He always initials stuff with opponents and pretends like he is innocent. I’m also tired of his use of off arm to push off…like the one where he supposedly turned Parker that the commentators were all raving about.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:49 am
TL says:
wow, Chosen…you read my mind.
May 6th, 2008 at 2:09 am
Chuck says:
Paul was using some tactics that I just didn’t agree with, he flops a lot I see too. He was doing Ginobli better than Ginobli.
I love Chris Paul though, my man is aggressive and always willing to attack the basket, he is the engine that drives New Orleans. I hope he knwo that he won’t be getting those calls in San Antonio though.
Big ups to the Detroit refs for f*cking the game up with those lame calls, gotta love em, one rolls off of ratliffs hand and they call it on Hedo, Billups hits a shot that should not have counted, the NBA really needs to institute some kind of replays or something cause this sh*ts getting ridiculous. I’m starting to think these refs are getting paid under the table or something!
May 6th, 2008 at 2:21 am
Chuck says:
Any Gm in his right mind wouldn’t keep Mike Woodson, it wasn’t his half A*s coaching that got the Hawks to game 7, it was the Celtics playing like crap, mixed with the referees giving them very favorable calls, and them just running the celtics out of the building, but if they give that retard an extension, they are asking for a losing franchise for his entire tenure.
Jameer was hooping tonight, but you’re right, he was making some bad decisions. I guess aroyo isn’t getting any PT. Rashard Lewis is NOT a clutch player, he showed that tonight. Orlando gave 118 million dollars to a role player, what a bad investment.
They would have been better off getting the ball to Hedo, who has been hitting clutch shots ALL year.
Melvin Ely is no Duncan stopper at all, the spurs are just getting outclassed on both ends, and byron scott is killing poppovich in this mental chess match, did you hear him during the interview, he wouldn’t even tell the reporters the adjustments he had to make during the game, dude was on some CSI type stuff.
Orlando will bounce back, all summer Dwight will have time to reflect on developing a mid range jumper, because out muscling everybody on the block will only work for so long. If he developed just a LITTLE range, dude would be the MOST dangerous big man in the league. STAT can’t rebound like him, he overpowers Yao, as long as he keeps that caveman mentality, he will only be relegated to dunking on people at oppurtune moments instead of dominating whenever he wants.
Well I gave my synopsis on tonights robbery and raping.
May 6th, 2008 at 3:36 am
the_don_mega says:
changin’ of tha guard???
May 6th, 2008 at 3:40 am
word says:
lmao @ them catching Van Gundy’s face just as he was saying fucking bullshit, it’s always funny when they catch cats pissed off in the league cussing. but on the real though that call fucked up the entire game for Orlando. I am for Detroit in the series but I gotta say I woulda been hella salty too if I was them b/c shit like that can end the entire thing for them (at least if they loose Gundy can use this as a partial excuse), b/c now they’re down 2 and I think even at home they will only end up winning 1 and then its over for them. but still hopefully they can win 2 and make this good to watch, I’m saying Detroit in 5.
May 6th, 2008 at 4:59 am
Desert Storm says:
LMAO at spurs fans complainin about Paul floppin. After years of Ginobili and Hip Check Horry, are you clowns kiddin? please, STFU!!! Enjoy the taste of what everybody else been havin to eat
May 6th, 2008 at 5:34 am
nicky says:
dude is good and all but i hates me some chris paul…always have, since Wake Forest days (UNC fan…)
I don’t know if anyone remembers him punching Julius Hodge directly in the nuts that one time versus NC State.
But like, not “oops my bad, got you in the nuts, dude fully took aim and punched him right in the junk, with purpose. (probably if you type “chris paul julius hodge punch to nuts” in youtube itll come up). thats just wrong.
good player but a punk.
May 6th, 2008 at 7:27 am
GayforRudy says:
Chuck
You seem to be a savy talent evaluator. However, I believe STAT “can” rebound as good as Howard. However, he lacks this little thing called “desire”…
But luckily for Howard, losing a playoff series will DEFINITELY make him work on a mid-range jumper (Gospel according to Chuck)all summer since their isn’t anything better to do like getting knob jobs every hour from Florida hoes until NBA ‘09 comes out.
May 6th, 2008 at 7:39 am
Suciniac says:
Kobe over CP3 is one thing but you can’t be Fucking serious.CP3 dirty????CP3 better flopper than GINOBILI???LMAO so,at long last people are finding out CP3 is a cross of Isiah,Bowen and Divac. Give credit where it’s due people.I hope I see a Lakers/Hornets series to settle who makes a bigger impact on their team.
Everyone and their dogs were yelling Orlando payed waaaaaaaay too much for Lewis.Way to prove them wrong…..I mean take the goddamn 3,that’s what they are paying you fro.If you miss,you miss but at least attempt a shot.
May 6th, 2008 at 8:16 am
rangerjohn says:
no question the spurs got out played. on the other hand the hornets only did what they where supposed to, win the home games.
paul is a thug, nothing like intenionally running into someone (bowen) in 2 consecutive games and bouncing off like a pinball to try to get a call on the other guy. at least the refs made 1 good call last night, or no call on that BS. how about wright climbing parkers back for a rebound, and then getting the refs to call it on parker. i though when you went over someones back the foul was on you, and i though it was generally against the rules to walk up someones back with your feet.
or how about bonzi smacking manu in the head to cause a turnover.
the spurs defense was TERRIBLE, and the hornets defense was NOT GOOD but not good beats terrible 2 out of 2 so far. spurs need to get with chip england and learn how to shoot open shots real fast. they also need to stop shooting outside shots and attack the rim. when they attack (no mater who) the other team gets in foul trouble every time (ask tyson).
worst then the 1st
May 6th, 2008 at 8:17 am
djKianoosh says:
whatever the case is with the flopping on chris paul, he’s still an evil genius when it comes to running the offense. he was sensational.
as for the refs, I think I might have actually punched somebody during that game with all the no-calls and bad-calls if I were a player. I can’t believe they all held their composure so well, both teams. david west and paul were definitely giving the spurs a bit of their own flop medicine. and the spurs were incredulous at that.
when is Pop going to bench Finley for good and just play Barry and Udoka. Is the Manu playing from the bench strategy not working in this series?
One thing I noticed is that the Spurs passed up waaay too many shots from the perimeter. It’s like they were told to keep driving, but the Hornets were giving them the outside shot. So Dime is right, they gots ta make shots. Otherwise this might actually be an unfathomable sweep. Sweep the defending champs? holy hot damn, batman, that’s just crazy talk!! Chris Paul must be ruthless.
May 6th, 2008 at 8:19 am
Chuck...A source of knowldge for all says:
@Gayfor Rudy
LMAO!!
That last line was just wrong. LOL!!
You right about STAT though.
Shout out to
GEE, YoungFed, David,
where ya’ll at, WAKEUP!!
May 6th, 2008 at 8:24 am
Smitty313 says:
Rubeen Patterson was the Kobe Stopper only in practice, beacuse Kobe use to torch Rubeen after he became the Kobe stopper.
I’ve been saying that San Antonio just dosen’t look the same this year. They have a losing record against the top teams in the west. But I still wouldn’t write them off yet. Beside the Spurs don’t win back to back titles.
If the Lakers and Hornets met in the western confrence finals. That might be the best series of the whole whole playoffs. Chris Paul will torch the Lakers and Kobe will torch the Hornets, it’s going to be about the supporting cast.
May 6th, 2008 at 8:25 am
Chuck...A source of knowldge for all says:
@RangerJohn
Wasup
I don’t know about calling Chris Paul a thug, thugs don’t whine for calls and flop all the time. I guess in these playoffs you have to look for the home team to get the favorable calls. Look at the Detroit games, them cats got calls for points they shouldn’t have even got! I’m still mad about that.
But hey, it is what it is, I’m picking the Hornets to win the series, but let’s get real people, the Hornets are not sweeping the spurs, and they are not beating the spurs at home. Poppovich is a great coach and he will adjust, and this will be a 7 game series, NOT a sweep
But you are right ranngerjohn, the referees did a terrible job for both games. We need the NFL rules man. We need the replay, cause I saw a lot of calls last night that was just plain wrong to any man’s naked eye!
May 6th, 2008 at 8:29 am
rangerjohn says:
actaully you are off just a little bit smitty, the spurs where an even 500 against the other playoff teams in the west (15-15 i believe it was)
they are not playing like themselves and i blame parker, he is a little stuck on himself and does not follow the “unselfish nature” of the spurs. we should trade him for d will before game 3 lmao.
May 6th, 2008 at 8:29 am
djKianoosh says:
i dont know about them not sweeping the spurs. it’s very possible. if ginobili and duncan don’t get well.. and whatever parker has to do to get to the rim.. they gotta do it in game 3 or it’s over.
how about morris peterson’s game last night? did he even miss a shot?! him and Peja were playing out of their minds.
May 6th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Jerry says:
they’ve bought this up alot, but last time Spurs were down 0-2 they got swept by the Lakers. 8-27 for 3’s ain’t gonna do it. I predict Spurs’ll go inside and get alot of calls at home, but NO is going to take one of the games.
Total uphill battle for SA, Suns series wore them out and now they can’t keep up with a faster, younger team.
May 6th, 2008 at 8:47 am
GEE...Engine Engine number 9, on the New York transit line says:
Chris Paul dirty??? Yeaaaa I can see that. He does a lot of punk stuff. My favorite of last night was getting his legs purposely mixed in with Vaughn’s (GEE’s opinion) to make him fall and then he threw his hands up real fast like he didn’t mean to or didn’t do nothing.
I forgot all about CP hitting a dude in the nutzzz.
Granted he does get pushed around a lot and bumped cause I guess dudes don’t like how he lights them up like a Vegas strip.
As much as Orlando can complain about the injustices done to them, they did enough idiotic stuff to not say nothing and just walk away.
Hedo’s quick *** three, the scoop shot and honestly they just looked real undisciplined out there towards the end.
Can’t recall a game where I kept hearing “Now (insert name here) has 4 fouls…Now (insert name here) has 5 fouls”.
Seriously I think Dwight Howard could break someone’s arm if it got caught in between him and the rim the wrong way on a two hander.
Got to love a Dwight Howard dunk off a missed shot.
Same with a Tyson oop.
This is the thing with San An. It’s one thing to lose when you are not on your home floor. Still it’s another when games aren’t that close? You would like to think they would at least make it close, but CP3 is the conductor to the orchestra right now. He got his team playing whatever he want. All San An can do is try to catch the beat and dance and they are always off outside of little runs.
If San An does win on their floor but N.O. makes it close, it won’t be a good look for San An. First they actually got to win one though.
Think the whole Hornet through fire thing would have been funnier if the Hornet would have actually caught on fire.
May 6th, 2008 at 8:50 am
Kobeef says:
Both series are far from over.
The Pistons got some breaks in the win last night and that series could just as easily been tied heading back to Orlando. I think Orlando takes both games at home and then we have a battle.
Dwight’s lack of an offensive game is really showing, like someone mentioned and Rashard is not looking like a $100 Million Man.
The Spurs are champs and I have learned that you can’t count them out. If Timmy really is sick this series could change easily when he recovers. Gotta say though, CP3 is looking like a monster.
May 6th, 2008 at 8:52 am
rangerjohn says:
chuck,
imo he is a thug, just me i guess. never really liked him. the things he gets away with because he is the nbas boy and he plays in the nbas new favorite town. he gets calls that guys like tim duncan would never get.
the only issue i see with replay, it would slow the game down way to much, i would not have gotten in bed at midnight last night because the game would still be going. i agree they need to do something though, i would suggest adding another ref and minumum 2 or 3 refs have to agree on every call.i see to many calls where 1 ref makes a bad call and the other 2 where “out of possition” to see what happened. if there was another ref, then paul might have gotten called for pushing parker out of his way, and duncan would not have given him an “and 1″ for slapping his hand (i though the hand was part of the ball? i guess not if you are the protagal son)if there was another ref, then paul would have been called for running into bowen trying to get a call on bowen.
i am really tired of the outside shooters jumping into someone to get a call. manu does this all the time (he generally doesnt get those calls) but chris paul and steve nash do it all the time and get the calls. last series, nash jump backwards into bowen and bowen got hte call. it was sooo obvious.
May 6th, 2008 at 8:53 am
Chuck...A source of knowldge for all says:
@Jerry
They literally obliterated the suns in 5 games.
How did the suns wear them out?
Game 1= SAS=117 PHX=115
Game 2= SAS=102 PHX=96
Game 3= SAS=115 PHX=99
Game 4= SAS=86 PHX=105
Game 5= SAS=92 PHX=87
This is what you must understand, in basketball, you have bad games and that’s just the nature of the business. Shot’s aren’t always going to fall, and you are dealing with a team that has a lot of confidence right now. All those perimeter shooters are hard to gaurd when you have Tyson Chandler barrelling down the lane, and David West hoisting 15 footers at will, you literally have to pick your poison, so it’s not that San Antonio is tired, it’s just they have to figure out a way to stop that pick and roll, and slow Chris Paul down. Tony Parker obviously can’t gaurd Paul, and Bruce Bowen is just to slow for Paul, assignments don’t matter anyway, when you have to fight through picks and eventually switch anyway. Bruce Bowen won’t be able to fight through 70 percent of those picks and that leaves whoever had to switch in no mans land with Paul, Duncan and Oberto need to step up on the block when Paul penetrates, it’s the help defense for San Antonio that’s killing em, David West said something that was very true and mature, he said. “If one man beats one of our teammates we step up to help, so you are not just going to embarrass one man, you have to beat the team.”
May 6th, 2008 at 8:58 am
Chuck...A source of knowldge for all says:
And no I didn’t get this sh*t from an analyst on tnt people! These are actually my opinions, not some regurgitated information I memorized from Jalen Rose and Barkley.
LMAO!!!
May 6th, 2008 at 9:01 am
Chuck...A source of knowldge for all says:
@Rangerjohn
I think your dislike for Chris Paul is making you biased man?
No matter how much you don’t like dude, he still got yo-yo handles, he had 1 turnover last night, 1, I wish I could highlight that number in red for you, 1 and like 13 assist I believe, (really not sure), but calculate that turnover to assist ratio and get back at me, forget all the bad calls, even without those calls Chris Paul was killing San Antonion, and they just have to find a way to stop him.
May 6th, 2008 at 9:03 am
Dcbum says:
Call Chris Paul whatever you want but the bottom line is he is a gamer and wants to win, and that is something you can’t hate on.
May 6th, 2008 at 9:07 am
GEE...Engine Engine number 9, on the New York transit line says:
Coache’s challenge!!!! Hello!?!?! Is this thing on?
I’m saying the playoffs are when a coaches challenge or needed more than ever. Can you imagine the cheer or boo from a crowd depending the outcome.
By the way not 1 person has hit a half court shot or beyond in the playoffs yet that I have seen. So that whole 4 point thing would work, cause like I said it’s not like players are just going to be jacking up from that far….cept for Gil apparently lol.
Anyway offseason expect more coaches to be setting up how to contain your Chris Paul and Deron William types more.
May 6th, 2008 at 9:22 am
Prof. TX says:
Would it have been so hard for the refs to find a stopwatch when reviewing that play? With so many clocks in the building, why are they just looking at a screen and guessing?
Barkley had it right, “call it what it is: cheating”
May 6th, 2008 at 9:25 am
Spliff 2 My Lou says:
I agree with dcbum. Paul is saavy. He has that Rodman-like ability to get into an opponents mind and take them out of the game. Call him a punk and I will not disagree but all the greats have some punk in them. Yes even MJ, Kobe, Duncan, etc. Nobody can say they wouldn’t want Chris Paul running their squad. He’s simply the best point guard in the L.
May 6th, 2008 at 9:36 am
Juanito says:
Detroit gets a split in Orlando and finishes it off at home in Game 5. Orlando is still not an elite team, not until Howard can learn to score in the post.
May 6th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Spliff 2 My Lou says:
The clock issue at the end of the 3rd quarter didn’t cost Orlando the game but I’m dumb founded at the poor ruling by the officials. According to the rules, they can have a team “do over” the play. That would have been the right call. That play just reitterates how poor the officiating has become.
May 6th, 2008 at 9:58 am
cbizzle says:
I guess everyone forgot about that fact that after that “momentum changing” shot to end the third, that Orlando promptly went on an 8-2 to start the fourth quarter. The Magic can blame the clock all they want, but the fact is they weren’t ready for the pressure and faltered down the stretch. The clock had nothing to do with Hedo Turkoglu taking a fadeaway 3 with 43 seconds left in the game and 20 on the shot clock when they were down by two. It had nothing to do with Rashard Lewis getting scared to take a big three down the stretch and opting to throw up some ugly awkward scoop shot. Way to throw 118 mil at a role player Orlando.
May 6th, 2008 at 10:00 am
rangerjohn says:
i am telling you ad another ref on the floor and make then confer on calls (while they are bsing around on getting the ball out of bounds or setting up the free throws, 4 refs on the floor and minumum 2 have to agree on the call. this way they cover every base, no “out of possition” and by making them confer on calls it is not AS MUCH of a judgement call, 2 people dont “judge the same” on ever call.
May 6th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Jules says:
“paul is a thug”
LOLz, that’s a first right there…
May 6th, 2008 at 10:05 am
GEE...Engine Engine number 9, on the New York transit line says:
cbizzle I am with you all the way. I was in straight up shock when Hedo took that three with so much time left. I was thinking What the ****?
They (Orlando) just started going nuts at the end.
May 6th, 2008 at 10:32 am
girlybballluver says:
The Spurs are making me look bad, I bet on these dudes. If they lose this series I have to go out on a date…MY TREAT!!!! C’mon man.
Manu is straight off right now, Duncan is sick, and CP3 is givin’ Parker the bizness!!! I could barely watch the game last night, the Spurs were upsetting me so much. My boy is talking sweep.
I still say Spurs in 6…yes I understand that means they have to win 4 straight. (Miami did it right?).
—>>Thinks of going out with this dude, and cries…
May 6th, 2008 at 10:42 am
rangerjohn says:
you know i would like to see 3 things, manu starting (he needs that to get going i think), finley sitting (i thnk he is more tired then he lets on), and last more brent barry he showed just how pour the defense of the hornets is to the open jump shot, he shot 80% for 14 points, 1 rebound, and 3 assists in 17 minutes. udoka, bowen, and FINLEY, even manu all had open shots they could not hit (open, wide freaking open, manu SET HIS FEET and the D just looked at him and he missed) barry got those same shots and hit. the only bad game he has had all post season was the blow out loss to the suns where he went 1-4. get him some minutes and rest up finley.
i also noticed the spurs ran the same play on their 1st possesion, and the 1st possesion after the half, a screen and roll for finley where he scored on the 1st and missed BADLY o nthe second. think the hornets didnt notices that is the set play at the begining of every half almost every quarter? do it with barry who isnt tired in the second half.
May 6th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Logan Light says:
Here’s to the Spurs defeat at the hands of CP3. I know I was for Kobe getting the MVP - but the way Paul is playing right now is ridiculous.
May 6th, 2008 at 11:31 am
K Dizzle says:
Kobe gets his MVP tonight. Trust me when I say he ain’t goin out like D Robinson vs Dream. Get the trophy at home and then show Utah why.Mamba knows his history
Gee
the “theory” was go for the 2 for 1 for Orlando which is straight comedy that Hedo would throw up that junk rather than gettin something good when you only down 3. I lost a lotta respect for Rashard Lewis last night. Dude caught the rock, wide open and showed no heart for a dude who’s gettin paid basically to hit open threes.
I been sayin all season that the spurs were gonna hit the wall, not cuz they old or not a good team, but because year after year of deep playoff runs, injuries to their top 3 this season and summers of international ball will catch up….and it’s caught up. The series is far from over but it’s not a good look to get crushed twice and have to climb back in. Before the series, heads were sayin CP3 and TP was gonna be a wash, but N’Awlins ain’t Phoenix. They play d, get helpside rotations, and got a shotblocker.
Props to KB24, bringin the MVP trophy back home, been a long time comin
May 6th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
GEE...Engine Engine number 9, on the New York transit line says:
K Dizz I like the comment on the history lol. Dream should have had that MVP anyway.
Hedo let that junk fly like when you do a 3,2,1 countdown and dude was on 1 lol. I was sitting thinking before the play, yea they are about to run something good. Then dude just went and shot and I promise, I was on some sitting in shock ish. Crazy. Yea for Rashard to talk smack and then come with them lame shots at the end, I was dissappointed too.
Nash should have to do like Marion Jones in track and give his trophy’s back!
May 6th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
SAS Sizzle says:
Damn my Spurs look like they may be playoff toast, there is just no way they are going to win in N’awlins, those people are too crazy. Well maybe this is just not their year, and that is okay y’all!
Chris Paul is not a thug, Jesus, he is looking like one of the best all-time point guards if anything. RangerJohn you need to chill on that noise, and I am a fellow Spurs fan. It looks like the pot calling the kettle black, you know people have endured Bowen’s tactics for this long and we get a tiny dose of our own medicine, now you know how those other guys feel bro. Yes it is frustrating, but no need to go calling players dirty or thugs.
Hornets defense was impressive, forcing all kinds of outside shots. 3rd quarter did the Spurs in AGAIN. You gotta give the team in blue their props, esp Chris Paul. Peja is killin’ me also, dude looked ready to retire last year and now he’s droppin’ bombs again.
Win with class, lose with class. There is always next season! (take note of that sentiment Phoenix fans)
May 6th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Remy Nguyen says:
Chris Paul is a dirty player even when he was in college, Paul grabbed Julius Hodge testicles.
Paul was lauded for his competitive nature in ACC play, but he was also known for letting this competitive drive get the best of him at times. The most popularized example of this occurred during the last regular season game in the 2005 season. While guarding North Carolina State player Julius Hodge, Paul hit with a low blow. Despite replays to the contrary, after the game, Paul insisted, “I don’t believe I popped him … It was just the heat of the game. I’ve got too much respect for him to try to pop him on senior night.”[2] Hodge was initially indignant over the assault, stating “he punched me in the groin and the ref saw it … I got suspended for that (as a freshman). …I never play dirty like that.” Later, was able to joke about the situation, quipping “At first, I just wanted to find out if I could still have children. Once I figured out I could have children, it was all good.”[3] After reviewing the play, ACC officials elected to suspend Paul for Wake Forest’s next game, the first game of the ACC conference tournament. Without Paul, the Demon Deacons lost in the second round after a first round bye, coincidentally to North Carolina State.[4]
May 6th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Remy Nguyen says:
Chris Paul is a dirty player and so is Bruce Bowen. Take a side people! What about the John Stockton? Jazz #12 is numero uno in my book.
May 6th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Celts Fan says:
classy post SAS. I agree Paul’s not a thug and he does do some dumb stuff on the court, but like you said, the Spurs do plenty too.
Kobe’s finally getting that trophy today…
I’m PLEADING with all Boston fans that may be reading this; don’t start the “overrated” chant at LeBron again. It doesn’t work, it only pisses him off. They did that in Washington and got 20-pieced in an elimination game. Let’s just boo and leave it at that…
Celtics in 6 (LeBron gets his and they stop everyone else for a relatively comfortable 6 game series.)
May 6th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
rangerjohn says:
SAS
i for one dont defend bowen, and i will not go by with out point out the cp3 dirty plays. if bowen is dirty, fine but he hides it better then paul. paul is just blatantly dirty and doesnt care because they are not going to call “mr good guy” for that stuff. pushing people, hitting in the nuts, (he hit bowen in the nuts when bowen got suspended, and i would damn sure kick him too if he hit me) he travels almost as much as labron, carried the ball 4-5 times, you cant put your hand on the bottom of the ball, lift it then start dribbling again, (this is not to say parker didnt travel too with no call).
i like the guys numbers and what he has done for his team but damn the refs got to man up and make the right call every once in a while dont they?
screw the spurs conspiracy theories, i am all about the hornets/NO favoratism theory.
May 6th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Celts Fan says:
don’t know that Stockton was #1, but he was very dirty and got away with it for some obvious reasons (small white boy in a tiny market typically playing bigger guys so he could hide his dirty play - he was VERY sneaky!) and hasn’t really been called out on it as widely as he should’ve.
great breakdown of the Cavs/Celts series on SI.com
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/marty_burns/05/05/cavs.celtics/index.html?eref=T1
May 6th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
D.H. says:
Its sweet justice to see the Spurs getting a taste of their own medicine. I really can’t wait to see Manu start whining. Even more exciting would be to see them get sent home in 4.
The more and more I think about it I just can’t see how the Lakers don’t win the West. I don’t want that to be the outcome, but I can’t see how its avoidable.
May 6th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
rangerjohn says:
think about this guys, the spurs blew the hornets out at home in the regular season and the hornets blew them out at home. i would expect nothing less thursday and sunday.
GEE,
thought you might be interested to know the Jiu Jitsu tourney this weekend in dallas went well, we took about 30 guys and took 2nd overall with 800+ competators. i took a 2nd myself in the submission grappling intermediate heavy weight division.
May 6th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
GEE...Engine Engine number 9, on the New York transit line says:
So ranger with that thinking then you got N.O. in 7 right?
Congrats ranger. What moves did you take dudes out with?
I think L.A. would riot if somehow it got announced that the award went to CP3 and previous reports were mistaken lol.
Remember when Shaq was all upset about Nash getting the MVP. Now they are teammates. The world is just funny sometime.
May 6th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
SAS Sizzle says:
I just think when you lose you gotta show some level of respect for the other team. I know I hate the fact that the Spurs get no respect after 4 titles. They are definitely the top sports franchise of the decade yet they get no credit because of jerks in the media and fanbase that want to make such excuses like they are dirty, whiny, floppy, and my favorite - BORING. Whatever, they WIN and they probably beat your team along the way.
Just because you don’t root for them doesn’t mean you cannot appreciate what they have accomplished. Therefore, I show respect to New Orleans for beating them fair and square.
And not like they are cheating like the Patriots.
Oh one last thing - anybody that ever says the Spurs get favorable calls because they are the NBA’s team is out of their f*cking mind. Let me put it to you like this, they asked David Stern what his ideal matchup for the Finals would be a couple of years ago and he said, and I quote, “the Lakers versus the Lakers”. Why would the NBA promote a small-market team? If there was such a thing as NBA conspiracy, they would mos def be putting Boston vs L.A. in the Finals this year, which may happen, but only because both teams are legitimate contenders for crying out loud. The Chicago Bulls and New York Knicks wouldn’t suck so bad, either.
May 6th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
rangerjohn says:
gee,
by that thinking the hornets COULD win in 7 (like the celts) but it puts the point out there that the hornets didnt do anything special they just did what they had to, it is on the spurs to break that trend. go back to NO 2-2 and it is a whole new series.
i had 3 fights, 1st i won with a toe hold, 2nd i won with a triangle choke, and i lost the 3rd by a stupid gillatine choke. (my own stupid fault for putting my head down. i was up on points and made a mistake, it happenes)
May 6th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
rangerjohn says:
SAS
i agree with that post. i understand your point, i am just tired of hearing about how dirty the spurs are then watch not a single “dirty” play by the spurs eyt several by the opponents (hornets).
as for the lakers celtics conspiracy, think about this, the celtics pull off a lopsided trade that should have never happened, trading their entire team for 2 HOFers, in a gimme, then the lakers pull off a steal of a trade, trading an alstar for mike olawokandy’s smaller twin brother right about the time that baby kareem goes down. it is just very “suspicious” dont you think?
and there is no single person who can with a straight face justify the trades from the t wolves and grizly side of the ball. gifts just gifts. now did sterny have anything to do with that?
May 6th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
GEE...Engine Engine number 9, on the New York transit line says:
Yea right now it’s looking like homecourt is holding. Still it would be good for the Spurs to not make games close like the Hornets. If it’s close then you have to wonder if the Hornets can steal 1.
Dang well congrats on getting two out of 3.
That triangle choke is nice.
We talking about Chris Paul and being mean. Check this article:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=cp3-080506
May 6th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Celts Fan says:
Come on Rangerjohn, that KG trade was the best the TWolves were gonna get for him.
When you trade a superstar (when you’re trying to rebuild liek they were) you’re looking for 3 things: 1. Young talent, 2. Cap Space, 3. Draft Picks
For KG, the TWolves got Big Al and Gerald Green (both were considered really good prospects, Big Al actually is) in addition to Ryan Gomes (a good young player that’s a much better fit as a role player for a good team) and Sebastian Telfair (a flyer on a young guy at the end of his contract that may or may not have some potential.) They also got Theo Ratliff’s expiring contract ($14M off the books next year) and 2 #1 picks, one of which was their’s for this year, so A TOP TEN PICK.
Let’s recap:
1. Young talent: Big Al, Gerald (supposed to be a great prospect, obviously misevaluated, but at the time, that’s what he was considered,) Gomes, and Telfair (who’s deal is also expiring.)
2. Cap Space: About $15M - Ratliff and Telfair
3. Draft picks: Two first rounders. Theirs for this year (TOP TEN) and the Celtics 2009 one.
That’s not a gift, that’s a good deal (when you’re 2 years too late to the party anyway.) KG’s 31. If they’d dealt him 2 years ago, then maybe it’s not enough, but now, this was the best they were offered for KG, otherwise he’d be somewhere else.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
rangerjohn says:
yeah i read that.
i am not worried really, while the hornets are not the chokes i mean the suns, look at that series as history, there was a blowout on both sides, and some close games but the spurs know how to win those close games. duncan and manu are 2 of the most clutch players ever and manu is built for close games. no hornet has really had to try to win a close one and i doubt they have the heart to do it. who knows they might but i still like our chances.
spurs in 6 so there! home cooking done right.
and thanks, that was actually the 1st triangle i have pulled in competition. i like the toe hold, or a heelhook myself. like the nasty knee on belly to armbar also, nothing better then seeing someone squirm while you drive your weight and knee into their sternum.
on a differnet note, shaq is a brown belt in jiu jitsu under royce gracie. now that is scary!
May 6th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
rangerjohn says:
celt
i dont agree, the best deal they could have gotten for kg was from the suns. i mean really just about any team in their right mind would have taken either amare or marion along with some picks or some baggage (remeber they could have gotten marion who is a very nice player, and had an expiring contract) for kg. the celts and wolves where buddies, and i am sure ster had a little “go ahead its a good idea” in his voice when he aproved the trade.
as for green being a “prospect”, really? the guy could not get off the bench on one of the worst teams in ther last 8 yrs and he was a good “prospect” try that on someone else. (remember i live in houston where gerald green is from and where he ended up to play what 15 minutes total for the rockets?)
the only thing good that the wolves got was jeferson (hmm amare or jefferson?) and the 1st round pick. everything else is a joke.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
GEE...Engine Engine number 9, on the New York transit line says:
Wow did not know Shaq was under the tutoring of Royce. LOL who is going to stop that heavy mofo lol. He could just lay on you, and you can’t move.
Anyone else see CP3 telling West I think it was “F*** Him” lol I don’t know if he was talkin bout the refs or another player. It was just funny to see.
LeBron for 35 tonight in a loss?
May 6th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Celts Fan says:
Ranger, had the Suns been willing to trade Amare, I’m sure he’d be in Minnesota right now. and Marion’s nice, but he’s not the guy they were looking for (and his opt-out clause after this year probably scared them off. You don’t want to trade KG and have nothing to show for it by year 2 of life after KG.) Plus, what other pieces can Phoenix throw in? Also, that’s assuming Sarver would pay the extra $$$ to get KG (increase in salary of KG vs. Amare’s AND luxury tax implications of it) which he’s proven he won’t.
Gerald Green WAS a top-tier prospect AT THE TIME. Trust me, we’d all given up on it here in Boston too, but he was still considered one at the time. I’m not saying it should’ve been that way, just saying that it was.
You’re also conveniently forgetting that we traded them back their pick for this year, so again, A TOP TEN PICK. So essentially they got Big Al, Gerald, Gomes, $15M off the books, our 2009 1st rounder, and an Eric Gordon/DeAndre Jordan level prospect (assuming they don’t win the lottery, or it could be even better.) That’s not bad. It would have been MUCH better 2 years ago, but again, KG’s 31 and everyone knew they had to trade him, so they didn’t have much leverage.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
SAS Sizzle says:
Celts Fan, whatever justification you can put on 100 pages of paper doesn’t change the fact that the KG deal was only pulled off because Kevin McHale and Danny Ainge are both ex-Celtics. Plain and simple. But you have to give Ainge credit for the Ray Allen deal nonetheless, because that move got KG on board.
And I still have nothing to say about Chris Wallace handing the Lakers Gasol. I don’t really care even though that move was FUBAR. I say it will be just be more fun to beat the Lakers. I have a feeling Mr. Wallace is like Joe Pesci in Goodfellas now - an Untouchable Made Man in Los Angeles. Can you say VIP in any champagne room he wishes?
May 6th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
rangerjohn says:
yeah i think he was talking about the ref for giving him a tech whe nhe tried to punk oberto and duncan stepped up and told him he better back the hell up.
yeah shaq is one of those guys you dont want hunting you down for chatting up kids on line (that is his thing these days, stopping online predators) that guy slapping on an armbar would be NASTY!
May 6th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
rangerjohn says:
celt,
i dont knwo how you can sit with a straight face (maybe you are not actually) and try to tell everyone that cupcake boy was ever a “top prospect” when he could barely get off the bench in boston where he played 31 games his 1st year on a 33-49 team, then averaged 22 minutes on a 24-58 team then went to the wolves where he averaged 12 minutes in the 29 games he plaed. the kid can jump sure but what else made him a “good prospect?”
amare was the very 1st deal for kg, but they could not make the money work because they had already traded away kurt thomas and 2 picks. that trade doesnt happen and kg is playing with nash.
as for the owner of the suns not wanting to eat tax $$$, are you kiding me? have you seen the shaq deal yet? hmmm tax $$ for shaq, or tax $$$ for kg?
lets be real it was a buddy buddy deal no mater how you slice it.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Celts Fan says:
Alright, all you guys always say, “McHale gave KG to the Celtics,” like Big Al didn’t average 20 and 10 this year, like Gerald was as badly regarded then as he is now, and forgetting that the last 2 things in this trade have yet to result in a tangible player, just the rights to pick 2 (one in the top 10 in a very strong draft!)
That’s fine, we’re all entitled to our own opinions. So let’s hear it, cuz all I keep hearing is that we got a gift, but no one’s given me a legit example of a trade that was better and out there (other than you Rangerjohn, but they never actually offered that or I’m sure that would’ve been done.)
WHAT BETTER DEAL COULD THE TWOLVES HAVE GOTTEN FOR KG THAT SATISFIES ALL 3 (young talent, cap space, draft picks) USUAL REQUIREMENTS FOR TRADING A SUPERSTAR?
Dime, help me out here. Am I just a homer or is that the best the Wolves could’ve done in their weakened leverage and 31 year old star?
May 6th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
rangerjohn says:
celt
excuse me the trade including amare did not have him landing on the wolves but to the hawks where the hawks would have gotten the #5 pick (al horford)
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2917781
May 6th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
SAS Sizzle says:
Why do you have such an issue admitting that the MAIN reason the trade actually went thru was the General Manager relationship? If those GM’s weren’t in place, it never would have happened.
Nobody said it wasn’t a good deal (at least I didn’t say that), Jefferson is really nice, and Minnesota did the right thing rebuilding even if it was several years too late.
May 6th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Celts Fan says:
SAS, I have an issue with that because people act like it’s the ONLY reason that deal went through, and make it out like there were a million better offers on the table and they just chose ours, and that’s just not the case.
Ranger, I COMPLETELY forgot about that Amare 3 team deal, but again, it didn’t go through because Marion wouldn’t do it, so IT COULDN’T HAPPEN. It would have been a better haul for KG, I’ll give you that, though I’m talking about deals that were actually possible.
May 6th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
rangerjohn says:
while the deal is not as “shady” as the lakers gift, i still feel it was a “gift” none the less.
it just fits the whole nba conspiracy thoeries out there.
and marion was not in the amare deal, for the suns it was an amare OR marion deal but they would never part with both.
imo the suns would have been better offereing amare then marion for 2 reasons, marion would have little problem defering to kg over amare (he hated playing second fiddle to a kid) and amare is soo limited defensively that the suns will not make it anywhere with him playing 100% on offense and 25% on defense.
May 6th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
GEE...Engine Engine number 9, on the New York transit line says:
They already set to make Iron Man 2 and prolly 3
Sam “Scream at everything” Jackson - Nick Fury
Terrence “Hard for a Pimp” Howard - War Machine
They also talking about having something to do in it with The Mandarin and also that big dragon dude Ironman would fight.
I enjoyed the first film. Ok back to our program.
Just had to put that out there for the fellow Superhero movie nerds.
Yea that’s right! A nerd alert all ova yo ***!
Now back to the program.
I think the GM relationship had a lot to do with it and yea they could have gotten more for KG. Gerald Green was a negative in that I would call it somewhat of a gift. Still nothing compared to the Lakers getting Pau. Now that was a gift!
May 6th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
GEE...Engine Engine number 9, on the New York transit line says:
Speaking of Superheros funny how they find there way in the NBA.
Superman and flash and stuff.
What yall know about “The Brown Hornet”!
May 6th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
DaPro says:
Paul isn’t the choir the media makes him out to be but he isn’t dirty. I watched him enough times in college and the pros to know that dude plays to win. I was never a big fan of CP3 but he can flat out ball. That push off against Tony Parker was obvious as hell but he got away with it.
When they play in San Antonio, I can see the Spurs going 2-0 at home.
Detriot won this game, no question. That shot clock error was significant but so was the dumb azz shot Turk put up. Even if he hits that shot it’s still dumb azz hell!
May 6th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Celts Fan says:
true enough Rangerjohn. Ok, still, at worst, the Celts offer was 2nd best (remember the Warriors were apparently offering Monta and some pieces, but for the price you’d have to pay Monta after this year/risk he leaves and the fact he’s pretty redundant with the rest of their roster of undersized 2 guards -Foye and McCants just among the rotation guys, that doesn’t work even though it was a good package.)
I just get sick of hearing the “well McHale and Ainge were friends so of course that’s where KG ended up” crap like McHale doesn’t have his own job to worry about and he’s Ainge’s crony (based on their careers, shouldn’t it be the other way anyway?)
Then, take a look at the list of stars that’ve been traded in the past few years:
AI
Matrix
KG
Pau
Bibby
Shaq
Ray Allen
JRich
Of those guys, you can say that only Miami trading Shaq got more back for their “star” (at this point, Shaq’s barely better than Andrew Bogut) than the Wolves did for KG, and Miami traded for another guy on this list and weren’t in, “Let’s just scrap it and start rebuilding” mode like every other team.
The shadiest move we made all year is the one no one really talks about in that ilk. Picking up Sam Cassell from a team that had to buy him out and then fill his roster spot w/ Smush Parker/D-League call-ups. You want to talk conspiracy, focus on that!
May 6th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
rangerjohn says:
lmao gee
fat albert and shiite
yeah you knew there was going to be another iron if not 10, it was one of the best comic to movies yet.
soon enough there will be a a “justice league” and some cross promotions and things (superman and batman together again)
it is funny how many movies really where comics before (no new ideas in entertainment) spawn, blade, the crow, avengers, just to name some of the “obscurer ones”
May 6th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
GEE...Engine Engine number 9, on the New York transit line says:
If there is “Justice League” I am there first night.
Speaking of moviessssss maybe I missed it but
DIME how was “Ball Don’t Lie”???
“The Brown Hornet” was the shiznit lol!
May 6th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
rangerjohn says:
imo the kings got a better deal for bibby then atl got getting him. cap space, was enough for his none playing ass.
AI, pilly got a pretty nice deal for him too. miller, joe smith (cap space) and 2 picks for AI i take that too considering he was not gonna play anyway.
marion for shaq was all about chemestry and money, no gifts there.
ray allen, the sonics knew he was aging fast (and he has looked good and BAD this year) along with ankle problems for some guys they knew they would be dropping for cap space, not a bad deal for the sonics but if they could not have gotten rid of the cap space (west and wally) they would have given a gift there too.
richardson, not to sure about this one really, there had to be something going on in the locker room is all i can say.
as for cassel, that to me is no different then barry coming back to the spurs, gift or not it might just be.
the spurs got a gift out of the sonics (sonics got a little deal though) with thomas really just for a pick and elson. the pick was going to amount to little most likely, they dropped cap space and the got rid of elson who was next to worthless anyway. barry came back and needs more minutes.
May 6th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
rangerjohn says:
gee
yeah i think i would have to be there 1st night too.
dont remember brown hornet much just enough to know who he is.
it amazes me how little new stuff is coming out, indy jones, speed racer, iron man, narnia, the list goes on and on. can nobody come up with a new idea? EVER? or has it all been done?
May 6th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Celts Fan says:
fair enough man, my point is just that NO ONE gets fair value back for a superstar, so we all need to stop expecting more for them and saying, “___ didn’t get enough back for ____.” Agree to disagree I guess (and I agree completely on Ray Allen. He’s not the same guy he was 3 years ago. Thankfully he doesn’t need to be.)
you’re right on movies too. It’s all just constant remakes and awful sequals (Dumb and Dumberer anyone? Harold and Kumar Escape Guantonamo Bay was AMAZING though!) I’m a huge horror movie fan too, and they’re remaking tons of classics now (Hills Have Eyes, When a Stranger Calls, Wicker Man, Halloween, The Omen.) Last year they remade Halloween and The Omen. That’s the horror movie equivalent of remaking Goodfellas and Scarface. Some movies are too good to remake and stand the test of time, not to mention you can’t ever touch the original anyway, you just get compared to it for 2 hours and killed for any differences.
Speed Racer looks really good though. I was sold the second I saw the first trailer and “from the makers of The Matrix.” I was glad to hear Iron Man was so good. It looked really good, but then again, so did Transformers. All I ask is to be entertained. I don’t go in expecting The Godfather, but it’s amazing how much crap they put out that can’t even do that!
We didn’t need a 65 year old Rocky, we don’t need a geriatric Indiana Jones, and we absolutely could do without an aging Rambo. What’s next, a sequal to Hoosiers where a 40 year old Jimmy Chitwood goes to college to reclaim his one remaining year of eligibility?
May 6th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Celts Fan says:
*Which would of course be followed up with Hoosiers 3: Back to Basics, where an aging Chitwood has to come out of “retirement” to beat a younger player (played by Leslie Nielson) who keeps calling him out.
May 6th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
SAS Sizzle says:
I don’t have any issue with the KG trade. I’ll put it like this, I was in a Fantasy League with my friend and we happened to make more trades with each other than other folks. I made as many offers to other teams but because we knew each other it was easy to pull the trigger because you don’t mind “helpin’ a brutha out” as they say. Nobody else would deal with me because they didn’t want to risk improving my team, that’s just how it goes.
Now lots of people were talkin’ about Barry getting bought out and returning to the Spurs as shady, well Celts Fan nailed it…the Cassell situation was 100x worse because the whole media was talking about him getting bought out so he could blatantly move to Boston. And yet I have no problem with the deal.
May 6th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Celts Fan says:
SAS, that’s probably the fairest way I’ve heard it put. That sounds about right.
May 6th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
rangerjohn says:
only issue i have with horror movies, SEQUALS and teaming up, freddy vs jason anyone? alien vs predator was what i expected and not terrible but the second was pretty bad.
i liked the halloween remake but didnt care for the omen.
now i enjoyed transformer for the pure eye poping cgi they created the robots with. and one single line “criminals are hot” (yes she is)
i also agree the rocky comback is (no pun intended) old but it was better then some of hte other rocky’s. rambo needs to stay gone, and indy, well i think he can pull it off better because he is no “super bad ass” type guy really.
the hoosiers back to basics, is a classic movie title though. good one.
how about the scooby doo movies? mmmm good lmao
video game movies is kinda running low too, doom? resident evil 19, next thing you know its mario cart to the theater.
back to bball,
yes we can agree to disagree, i think the celtics got a favor you dont, to each his own.
May 6th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
GEE...Engine Engine number 9, on the New York transit line says:
I love movies.
Anyway in regards to trades it’s all politics and on who you know and have favor with. We as fan probably get a raw deal in the sense we can do nothing but beg, plead and pray.
I expect crazy trades in the offseason and all.
It’s a lot of teams that need to make some major moves. Players don’t be wanting to relocate sometime and I can’t blame them.
Although I hope the good ones will look at Houston, I heard it’s really nice there lol.
May 6th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Celts Fan says:
GEE, what’s Houston’s cap looking like? Any room at all to make a play for some free agents?
May 6th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
rangerjohn says:
celt, from hoopshype.com the rockets are about 6 mil under the cap. a little room but not a lot, and les alexander does not like going over the cap (no owner does unless you live in NY or DAL.
they have like 11 players under contract, 2 with team options, then stevie franchise (not sure about his deal)
out of the 2 with team options, landry will get the option picked up, and novak i think will not.
May 6th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Ian says:
kdizzle and gee
puhhh please that mvp was the admirals
and please dont come back to me with water ever you read cuz the people who saw the series KNOW what happened there.
let me help a bit with that
the spurs team wasnt as good as the rockets yes they had a better record (better record and better individual numbers and robinson isnt the mvp wtf are u thinkin) the rockets doubled and tripled team david everytime he touched the ball because he didnt have great shooters around him the spurs couldnt do that with hakeem because everyone on the rockets could score. plus hill sucked as a coach.
if hakeem would play david one on one in that series like david played him the numbers would be equal just look at the vs all time between them they have similar numbers and david has almost all the wins.
robinson is the only superstar center of the 90s (shaq ewing and hakeem) who didnt play with a SUPERSTAR in his prime like the others.
kdizzle and gee shit you got me all worked up the admiral is my fav ever
May 6th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Ian says:
plus we had rodman who didnt want to be there
May 6th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Tim says:
pistons will either swep Orlando again…or win in 5….all hinges on Game 3.
and that move the CP3 put on San Antonio where he hesistated then split the 3 defenders was insane…
but yeah Pistons are gonna get some nice rest to watch the Cavs/Celtics batle…
I honestly thing that was the best punch Orlando could throw…all there big guns got numbers and still came out with the L. Dwight Howard is massive fun to watch…
May 6th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
K Dizzle says:
Ian
slow down, dude. I met D Rob in the Cayman Islands about three weeks back. Solid character and dude looks like he could still play. WTF I’m thinkin is I don’t want Kobe winnin the MVP(which he deserves) then gettin taken to the cleaners by CP3, like Hakeem did to D Rob.
And i’m not gettin your playin with a superstar theory. Robinson had Elliot(who was an all-star and a stud back in his day) and a young TD(who’s never played like a rookie) so he had his superstars. Who did Ewing have again?
May 6th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
rangerjohn says:
wait dizzle, elliot was a how many time all star? and that was right before he had his kidney replaced and duncan didnt come intot he league for a couple years after that mvp/series so that is not an excuse.
nobody is taking away from hakeem but robinson did more withless that season then hakeem did. (sorta like everyone arguement for kobe, more with less)
May 6th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Ian says:
kdizzle
just wat ranger said
i said in their primes
comon hakeem was a beast but his team was loaded
ewings team was loaded also
elliot was good but comon after that
david did more with less he took his team to the second round as a rookie
hakeem landed on a good team already
comon tell me that
ellie
cassell
DREXLER
horry
maxwell
smith
jackson
starks
mason
oak tree
smith
penny
nick
scott 3d
grant
werent all better supporting casts than elliot a boderline allstar?
im just sayin there is no way that david isnt the mvp that season
May 6th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
K Dizzle says:
Elliott was a 2 time all-star, once before the kidney issue and once after he got back from Detroit so that isn’t an excuse, it’s a reason. Robinson didn’t win the division by himself. Those Spurs squads were solid. I was replyin to the comment that Shaq, Keem and Ewing played wit a superstar in their prime and that D Rob didn’t. Ewing never played with a legit superstar, Hakeem had great shooters, but nobody I’d call an in-their-prime superstar and only a past-his-prime Glide and shaq played with a young Penny and a young Kobe in the 90’s
May 6th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
rangerjohn says:
clyde was “past his prime”? he was a year older then hakeem. over the hill? as my 5 yr old says “you gottabe kiddin me!” clyde was a TEN TIME allstar including 1996 and 1997 (the 2 yrs after the robinson mvp)
robinson has never played with a single player EVER who has made more then 3 allstars BESIDES duncan and robinson was pretty much at the end of his carreer on the 1999 title team.
robinson was easily a top 3 SCORING center ever. he cut his carreer short because of his honorable commitment to the military. think about what he would have done had he not gone to the his 4 yrs of active naval duty.
he ABSOLUTELY deserved that mvp, and while hakeem had MUCH better numbers he also had a proven championship team (they won the year before)and robinson had some middle of the road guys, some guys like avery who where never drafted, and guys who didnt want to be there because they wanted to be in the spotlight (ie rodman).
May 6th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
rangerjohn says:
actually clyde was born 6 months before hakeem (6/22/62 vs 1/21/63) which put them both right about 31-32 yrs old or right at the end of their prime. sorta like kg/duncan?
May 6th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
K Dizzle says:
I think you guys might have gotten what me and Gee were talkin about way twisted. I said I don’t want Kobe to win the MVP which he deserved(like Robinson won his MVP, which he deserved) and then get put into the torture chamber by the runner up(who would be CP if both of them advance to the western finals much like Hakeem destroyed Robinson in their matchup)
I never once said he didn’t deserve it. re-read post 44
peace
May 6th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Austin Burton says:
@rangerjohn — Robinson only served 2 years after getting drafted, not four.
May 6th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
rangerjohn says:
austin,
yes you are correct he served 2 yrs active. i miss typed, he was drafted before his service was over, 2 yrs.
regardless, he came into the league at 24 yrs old (1 yr younger then parker is now and he has what 5 yrs in now?) think what the man could have done had be been brounght in the league at the same average age as players today, 21-22 yrs old. 3 yrs more at his averages would put him about 1000 less points, 700 less blocks and 150 less blocks then hakeem and he still would have played 1 entire less season then hakeem. pretty even if you ask me. this includes a season where he played 6 games.
dizzle,
i understood from the start what you where saying but there is always na ingerant implication that robinson didnt deserve his mvp because of that series with hakeem. spurs fans get a bit offended at the whole thing because robinson had a bad series with no help and so his entire career gets lessened because of it.