its a copout to compare horry with barkely, one guy plays at most 25 games a season with 100% and the other was counted on to score 20-10 most of his career

u got that right!!!
and for me…
great ones never choke…
they thrive on pressure…
KG is awesome…
but he chokes every time around…

In 1993 in the Philippines almost everybody knew who Michael Jordan is… But only about 5% of those knew what the NBA was, and who the Chicago Bulls were…

That doesn’t just extend to scorers either. Robert Horry was great on a much smaller, but still very important scale. How many guys have made that many huge shots to win that many rings? Dennis Rodman was great because he was probably the best role player ever. I think the Worm should get into the Hall, but he was literally JUST a rebounder and defender, he was AMAZING at both, but you’re playing 4 on 5 on offense. Dennis Rodman was Ben Wallace, but with funny hair, tattoos, dresses, and was almost certainly psychotic, but that guy would kill himself to win, he just seemed to wanted it more, and he ended up with a handful of rings. Karl Malone was obviously a much better overall player, but he was never great. He notoriously came up small in big moments, which MJ immortalized with the strip that lead to the “last” shot. Rodman would be the guy that would rip the ball from his hands on the boards or lock him down defensively. HE came up big when it mattered in his role, it was just a lesser role than the superstar/#1 option that Malone was. He would never get you 20 points, but he could OWN the glass and lock down his guy defensively. He was GREAT in a less important role than Malone’s. His teams didn’t seem to rise to another level when it mattered.

Shane Battier was GREAT at Duke (and he was great at Duke, he’s a real good role player in the pros, but he was great at Duke, he also has ridges in his head. I fuckin hate Duke) because he just seemed to make all the right plays. that dude took 7 charges a game and and always seemed to make a huge impact on the game in a lot of different ways.

To sum it up pretty bluntly about the ROLE PLAYERS (the great players, Kobe types has been beaten to death and it’s all on point) since I didn’t get to finish the point, but the 2nd half just started: There’s a reason Steve Kerr, Robert Horry, Dennis Rodman, Ben Wallace (the Detroit Ben Wallace, before he got old, was GREAT as a defensive enforcer) have a fistful of rings and have always seemed to be on contenders and Ricky Davis will never be on a team that wins more than 12 games.

1. His name came up in the post because someone in the office asked was Steph one of the 50 best (or 50 “greatest”) point guards ever.

2. Say what you want about him, but you can’t deny Marbury’s numbers. Until last season I believe, his career averages sat at 20 ppg and 8 apg – which as people have already stated, only he and Oscar Robertson had achieved that.

3. Even with the recent dip, Marbury still ranks 12th all-time in assists-per-game average at 7.7 apg. That’s higher than Bob Cousy, Tiny Archibald, Rod Strickland, Baron Davis, Mark Price, Gary Payton, Mo Cheeks, Lenny Wilkens, Walt Frazier, Kenny Anderson, Chauncey Billups, Tony Parker, etc.

4. Marbury’s 19.7 ppg scoring average ranks 61st all-time: higher than Magic Johnson, Grant Hill, Isiah Thomas, Walt Frazier, Earl Monroe, Tiny Archibald, Artis Gilmore, Willis Reed, Bob Cousy, Reggie Miller, Chris Mullin, Calvin Murphy, Rip Hamilton, Kevin Johnson, Kevin McHale, Tim Hardaway, etc.

So is Marbury really THAT bad? He trumps Tiny Archibald in both points and assists, and Tiny’s only championship was won with the Celtics, when Tiny was 32 years old and the 4th or 5th best player on the team. (Bird, Parish, McHale, Maxwell.)

I think you gotta excel and have the killer instinct at both ends of the floor (MJ, Magic, Kareem, Wilt, Dr J, Kobe, Joe D, Jackie Moon), with the exception of 2 players who weren’t that good defensively but are great because they played with limitations: Bird and Barkley. One was white, and the other was undersized and overweight.

Mvps, rings, allstar games and other accoloades has too many moving parts to judge individual greatness.

And you can’t be boring like TD.

Robert Horry is the John McLean of hoops in the bizzaro world: right guy at right place at the right time.

The same knock was made against Kobe, post him up with a bigger two. Thats is Paul’s weakness on d, playing bigger twos.