The Da Vinci Code, starring Baron Davis & Rasheed Wallace
Baron Davis (photo. Tim Tadder)Early one morning a few months back, Jed sent an e-mail to the rest of the Dime crew that basically said, “Don’t worry about bringing or buying lunch today; I’m bringing some amazing sandwiches.” Needless to say, everyone was kinda pumped for these sandwiches, but when they were unveiled, they were about as “amazing” as a Paul Walker movie — not bad in taste, but finger-food at best in size.
From there Christian berthed the term, “Da Vinci Code,” referring to anything that isn’t as good as everyone says it is. From sandwiches to female eye candy to basketball players, it’s worked its way into the Dime office vocabulary. Jed’s sandwiches? Da Vinci Code. Tila Tequila? Da Vinci Code. Baron Davis and Rasheed Wallace? Da Vinci Code. (Granted, those last two are just my opinion, as the majority of people in here love Baron.)
While I was defending Vince Carter last week, ‘Sheed and Baron rang in my mind as players with flaws that match all of Vince’s perceived flaws to a T, and yet not only do they avoid the hate Vince gets, they’re both universally loved.
But step back and look at the things Vince Carter is accused of, and tell me Baron and ‘Sheed aren’t just as guilty:
1. Incredible ability, but hasn’t lived up to his potential. Seemingly by choice.
There’s no good reason why Rasheed shouldn’t have numbers and accomplishments right up there with Kevin Garnett, Chris Webber and Dirk Nowitzki. As it stands, though, ‘Sheed has a few All-Star appearances to his name and one championship, which he won as the third or fourth-best player on the Pistons. How many times have you heard fellow players, analysts and coaches say that “If he wanted to” Wallace would be one of the best players in the League? Charles Barkley and Skip Bayless have gone as far to say he’d be THE BEST player in the game if he truly went after it. I think that’s a little much, but the fact remains ‘Sheed has way more talent than he’s utilized in his career.
Baron is a superior player than ‘Sheed and has arguably gotten more out of his skills, but everyone knows he could be better. Last summer I listened to Jerry Tarkanian tell a room full of the best high school players in the country that if Baron “put his mind to it” he’d be an all-time great, as Tark was trying to impress the value of hard work upon the youngsters. And this was with Baron sitting right next to him. Would anyone say that about Allen Iverson, or even a lesser talent like Andre Miller who’s gotten the most out of his God-given ability? I don’t think so.
2. Tendency to settle for jump shots — particularly three-pointers — when driving the lane would prove much more effective.
Anyone who’s watched this year’s playoffs knows all about ‘Sheed and his jacking, but here’s an interesting stat: In the regular season Wallace shot 315 threes, 39th-highest in the League and more than Kyle Korver, T-Mac, Derek Fisher, Iverson, Kevin Martin and, yes, Vince Carter. And ‘Sheed only hit 35 percent of those triples, so it’s not like he’s a lethal threat from out there. Keep in mind, this is a 6-foot-11, 230-pounder who could dominate in the paint, and whose turnaround fadeaway is pretty much unblockable.
Then there’s Baron, who has one of the sickest handles in the League and can dunk on anybody (ask KG and Andrei Kirilenko). He could live in the lane like Tony Parker and get off a ton of high-percentage shots if he wanted to, but instead he jacks LOTS of threes. Last season Baron launched 525 from deep, third-most in the NBA, hitting just 33 percent. That’s not simply a byproduct of Nellie-Ball, either; Davis led the League in three-point attempts with the Hornets in ‘04, and finished fourth in ‘02.
3. Has never won anything substantial as the best player on his team.
‘Sheed won a championship in ‘04 as a supporting player in Detroit — and a mid-season pick-up at that. In Portland, where he was The Man at times, his team made seven playoff appearances and went past the first round twice, with one conference finals showing where they famously blew a 15-point fourth-quarter lead to the Shaq/Kobe Lakers.
I did some research on Rasheed’s numbers in playoff games where his team is facing elimination, and it’s bad. In 11 elimination games since joining the Pistons in ‘04, Wallace has averaged 12.6 points — on 37.5 percent shooting from the floor (56-for-149) and 25 percent beyond the arc (12-for-47) — and 5.6 rebounds. And in six of those 11 games, he’s either fouled out or recorded five fouls. Last week ‘Sheed put up 4 points while the Pistons were getting knocked off by the Celtics, going 2-for-12 from the field and 0-for-6 from three.
Baron has been past the first round three times in six postseason appearances, and never been beyond the conference semis.
4. Doesn’t play his hardest all the time and doesn’t seem to take the game seriously.
Vince Carter has definitely been seen laughing and joking with opponents and teammates near the end of games where his team is losing, and allegedly tipped off an opponent’s bench about a play his Raptors were running to get a game-winning shot. (A very shaky allegation, by the way.)
Rasheed? Go back to Pistons/Sixers Game 1 from this year and look at him jokingly poke his head into Philly’s huddle late in the fourth quarter, or keeping a running conversation with ex-teammate Flip Murray sitting courtside. Or check Game 5 from the Celtics/Pistons series, where Rip Hamilton and Lindsey Hunter called ‘Sheed out for being “too chummy” with KG after a loss.
As for Baron, I always point to Golden State’s second-to-last regular season game this year, where the Warriors needed a win to preserve their playoff hopes, and Baron got benched for the entire second half after going 2-for-13 in the first half. Name one elite PG who would get benched for an entire half in that situation. And Davis didn’t seem all that upset by it at the time, not to mention the rumors that have been out there that Baron was partying the night before this must-win game, which is partially why Nellie benched him.
5. Always injured.
Rasheed has been more healthy recently than he was at the beginning of his pro career; he’s played at least 75 games for each of the past four seasons. But is it just me, or does he always seem to come up with an ankle injury at the most inopportune times?
Baron played a full 82-game schedule every year for his first three years in the League. Then, between ‘02 and ‘07, he played in 280 of a possible 410 games, missing an average of 26 games per season. This season he played all 82 games. In a contract year. I’m just saying…
June 2nd, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Washington the Frog says:
I like this article except for one thing:
Since when has ‘Sheed been “universally loved”? You mean by Pistons fans? ‘Cause I’m pretty sure everyone else hates the guy, and even some Pistons fans (including myself) are at the end of their rope.
As far as the Baron thing…I guess so.
Actually, I didn’t like this article, as much as I liked the new term “DaVinci Code”
June 2nd, 2008 at 4:19 pm
ERIC says:
THANK YOU! Well-written.
June 2nd, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Oscarisalakerfan says:
Great Post!!!
June 2nd, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Billy Sunday says:
Good points
June 2nd, 2008 at 4:51 pm
DaPro says:
Good spin Dime but Sheed and Baron get a pass for some reason
That’s including myself, I’m a fan of Sheed and Baron.
I think they’re both done playing for their current team
Austin, Vince is just soft
June 2nd, 2008 at 4:52 pm
JA says:
First of A.B. - what’s wrong with Tila Tequila?!?
And I completely agree. Just took a look at Rasheed’s career stats, and before he became “versatile”, and really started jacking up his ill-advised three pointers – he used to shoot over 50%. Since, he’s shot around 44%. That’s painful for your Center/PF, particularly when he’s playing around 35mins and only grabbing you 7 rebounds or so.
June 2nd, 2008 at 4:53 pm
smity says:
are you trying to convince everyone to love vince carter or to hate rasheed and baron? the rasheed hate coming from dime has been consistent and unwavering. it pushes me away from enjoying what is offered here on the site…every fan of rasheeds (his game and percieved personality) are already aware of his inconsistencies and his non maximization of his abilities. but austin, no one lives up to their potential. everyone has the ability to be as great or un great as they wish and strive to be. obviously an opinion. i’ve been away for a while, watching the site, reading and making note of certain things said (i don’t know what i’m supposed to be meaning by saying that)- people know that you, Austin, don’t like rasheed. people know that many people at dime may not like rasheed. cool, but if you feel like it, chill on the heavy doses of unneeded criticism. i’ve said before a while ago that sheed’s “act” isnt an act. he plays like he chooses to and argues and does all the things he does because thats who he is. he’s not trying to impress anyone so i dont see the validity of an argument that rasheed doesn’t take the game as seriously as he can when perhaps the opposite is true. he is taking the game as seriously as he can. he’s taking it too serious. The distinction has to be made between which aspect of the game it is that he is taking too seriously. People be like, “he need to shut up and play instead of arguing” so he’s taking the way the game is called too seriously but thats still the game. anyway, whatever, sheed aint gon read this (your) article and go out trying to destroy the league as the twilight of his career approaches. Nor is he going to go away quietly. “haters gonna hate, lovers gonna love, i don’t really want none of the above…” (that was classic when it first aired by the way) But for real, Austin, just chill. Vince won’t get the credit he deserves, (neither will Tmac) and Sheed won’t continue to get the credit he recieves (escpecially from non fans) so the earth will keep on spinning and sun will keep on shining. all the way in africa.
p.s. (so i’m writin’ letters now, huh?) i still never recieved my “ball till you fall” dvd (from like 2 years ago?)
and lastly, what if (for the sake of self contradiction) sheed IS fully maximizing his talent…which (his talent) is nothing more than to be seen as someone who appears to not be maximizing their talent…
June 2nd, 2008 at 4:56 pm
2 Easy says:
Wow this really makes u think. I agree though not very many people like Sheed but I kno that I personally love BD, hence me callin myself 2 Easy, despite his terrible health and Ive always wondering why he doesnt drive or post up more but never to the point where I hate him as I do Carter. Maybe its because Im a Raps fan and thats why but whatever it is, it causes one to really wonder. I think I figured out why guys who are this talented never want to be “The Man”, because of the scrutiny that comes along with it. If you sneeze wrong your a terrible leader, or soft etc… Ive seen Tmac DESTROY defences and slam all over guys injured but hes seen as a terrible leader, or passive or soft. Ive seen Dirk give a whole arena fits because no one can figure out how to stop him yet hes been called soft and a terrible leader yet when players like Kobe or KG (usin them because their in the finals) do things of that nature their seen as passionate or just off. I guess these guys have something in their makeup that causes us to hate cause I cant explain it to save my life
June 2nd, 2008 at 4:57 pm
2 Easy says:
o and JA Tila Tequilla really? Dude she’s a midget with a huge head and huge breasts. She is not proportionate at all but thats an argument for another place
June 2nd, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Big Sia says:
LONG LIVE SHEED
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q1kxZpyREdE
June 2nd, 2008 at 4:59 pm
AY says:
1. If you grade according to points scored only, then you’d be right; but rasheed consistently play at a higher level, offense and defense combined, than dirk and cwebb, because those two do not care for it.
2. Rasheed used to play in the lane a lot more, but he was getting injured too often so he modified his game in order to stay around for defense. I actually don’t mind that about vince either, if he actually played defense.
3. Ignoring the fact that the pistons team that won was a “no-star” team and it was the sole reason that team worked so well, this is a difficult point to make. There are plenty of players whom never won anything substantial as “the man”. Charles Barkley, Clyde Drexler, Pippen, Kobe, AI. The list goes on and on, it’s hard to take that against him.
4. How do you lead the league in technicals by not caring about the game?
5. See 2.
I counter with: rasheed plays defense and cares about winning but doesn’t intentionally play poorly to get traded. Vince is the exact opposite, and I don’t even like rasheed; maybe i should appreciate him a little more.
June 2nd, 2008 at 5:00 pm
dh says:
i’m a lakers fan and i’ve always loved sheed and thought of him as a “potential” great player. i wouldn’t want him on the lakers but i really respect his game and the damage he could do when motivated… i feel the same way about baron and vince. i wouldn’t want them on the lakers but i respect what they COULD do and how they COULD play (even if they don’t do it as often as we’d like them too).
its a shame some players don’t meet their potential. all i ask for as a fan, is that professional basketball players (at least) TRY to live up to their paycheck.
~dh~
June 2nd, 2008 at 5:08 pm
marcus the great says:
i agree they both would/could be unstoppable (Sheed moreso than Boom) but there are plenty of players in the L that would be far better if they put their mind to it(L. Odom), or concentrated on what they’re good at instead of tryin to do too much(tj ford). not everyone has the Jordan gene that Kobe has. not everyone wants to be the best
June 2nd, 2008 at 5:17 pm
jay26th says:
Great article.
I think it is a longshot to expect much better productivity out of those 2 players. Unfortunately, Sheed is coming out of his prime. He is a well rounded PF, but what team would use him as a #1/2 option nowadays? B-Diddy can still get it done when he is healthy. I just don’t think their is a coach around that can capitalize on baron’s strengths without the weak points that come with em.
It’s my first post! Been reading for a couple years.
Jay
June 2nd, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Rafa23 says:
@AY
“but rasheed consistently play at a higher level, offense and defense combined, than dirk and cwebb, because those two do not care for it.”
hahahahah, as if this guy cared more than those two, what a joke. sheed is a better defender than dirk, but dirk is wayyyy better on offense. and have you seen cwebb in his prime? sheed is just an average player now.
he was good, but never very good or great.
cmon now
June 2nd, 2008 at 6:39 pm
D.H. says:
Austin,
While this is a well thought out article and I agree with the majority of your posts, whats with this recent hard-on for Vince?
p.s. You really think Sheed is universally loved?
June 2nd, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Big Freeze says:
Great article Austin, but the main reason why people hate Vince Carter is he has no heart and no passion for the game. You can’t say the same about Rasheed. Rasheed is actually too passionate to the point where it negatively affects his team. I agree that he plays too soft, jacks up too many threes, and disappears or get’s T’d up in too many important games. However, he has a ring to sport, and that’s more than Vince or Baron can say. You’re on the money about Baron tho, he is the Vince Carter of point guards.
June 2nd, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Rafa23 says:
why do we even debate about rasheed wallace. he isn’t very good. so why talk about a guy who is not even one of the top 20 players in the league…
June 2nd, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Austin Burton says:
When we did the “Hall of Fame Watch” on Rasheed, there was an extraordinary amount of people who said he was definitely a Hall of Famer. Maybe it was all Pistons fans or something, but that threw me off.
Like I said in the Vince article, I’m not a huge Vince fan, I just don’t understand why he is hated on so much.
June 2nd, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Brandon Hoffman says:
Austin,
I agree that these two guys deserve just as much criticism as Vince does but I’m confused as to theme of this post? Are you defending these guys or doing an about face on Vince?
June 2nd, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Austin Burton says:
Just pointing out that for the same reasons people hate Vince with a passion, Baron/Sheed get a free pass for some reason.
June 2nd, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Brandon Hoffman says:
@ Austin - Well, if they do get a free pass (I haven’t really seen that), they shouldn’t.
You said, “Baron is a superior player than ‘Sheed and has arguably gotten more out of his skills, but everyone knows he could be better.”
Why do you feel that way?
Baron has only made 2 All-Star teams, 1 3rd team All-NBA, and has never won a ring.
Rasheed is 4 time All-Star and has an NBA championship.
Their career averages are a wash.
June 2nd, 2008 at 7:55 pm
tealish says:
‘He’s just soft’ is not a reason. Neither is “He gotz no heart!”
And while I don’t like laughing while your team is down 20, I don’t see that as an indicator of whether you care or not. People react differently to similar situations. Some will put on a sad mug, others try to laugh it off. You guys really think you can tell what they’re really thinking/feeling on the inside?
I don’t know how much VC cares about the game. Neither do any of you. But perhaps y’all would feel better about his “passion/heart for the game” if he has a razor blade near his wrists when down 20-some points?
June 2nd, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Dagomar says:
Pretty good article, though Rasheed is without doubt the most skilled player on his team, was absolutely key to them winning in 2004, and is lightyears away from being loved by all.
But yes, I think Rasheed is probably the most skilled big man in the game today. Definitely one of the highest basketball IQ’s. For whatever reason he hasn’t acted on that like a KG or especially Duncan. As for Baron Davis? Maybe not as gifted as Rasheed, but close. Like Carter, neither has lived up to expectations. But Carter was among the first and most talented of the “next Jordans.” That probably contributes to his infamy.
June 2nd, 2008 at 8:08 pm
AY says:
rafa, i don’t know whether if you’ve ever watched a game or simply go by stats, but i clearly remember rasheed posting kg, driving by cwebb, and taking duncan for 3s. I always thought he was better than cwebb even though the numbers didn’t show it.
as for vince, how about comparing him to AI. Not that many degrees of separation here and AI is universally loved. AI doesn’t play D, mocked practice and never utilized the court vision that he had.
June 2nd, 2008 at 8:21 pm
juslisen02 says:
I think it’s all a classic example of when people fall in love with a certain player for a specific talent that player has (Vince and his dunks) and doesn’t care about any other facet of his game. If Vince was still a nightly Sportcenter highlighter, no one would say anything negative….even if his team was last in the league.
That’s just MY opinion.
June 2nd, 2008 at 8:55 pm
yallallreadyknow says:
damn austin.
how far you gonna stretch this vince carter shit?
so far that you gonna write a piece on sheed and baron? hahhahaa. it still dont get vince off the hook.
you can name 300+ players in the world and ask why they aint hated like vince….and you can even back it up with facts if ya want. but none of it eases anything off the puss vince.
claiming other ballers are soft doesnt make vince stronger.
get off ur man crush
June 2nd, 2008 at 9:27 pm
K Dizzle says:
slow news day, huh?
June 2nd, 2008 at 10:54 pm
BALLZ says:
Not real keen on “The Da Vinci Code” analogy…the movie wasn’t great, but the book was fucking awesome. If you just tried to judge the entire phenomenon on the movie, I’d agree with your overrated premise. Just curious: How many of you have actually read “The Da Vinci Code.” I’m an avid reader, I mean, like I read a lot, and it’s one of my favorite books. Page turner with a wicked and believeable conspiracy theory…thoughts?
BTW, read “Holy Blood, Holy Grail” if you’d like the just the research and the theory without the fiction story. Great read.
June 2nd, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Celts Fan says:
ok, Da Vinci Code, great name, heard the book was good but the movie SUCKED. I woulda paid double to have not seen it.
Tila Tequila is hot. If you don’t like her, then that’s just not your type, but those of us that like Asians and prefer cute and short to the Gisele super model, gigantor types, she is amazing. anyway, to each their own…
On the real issues here, Baron gets a free pass cuz he’s been CONSTANTLY injured. It’s not a free pass as much as those of us with a long-term view understand he’s good ONLY when healthy and will never sniff the HOF. When healthy, he’s a top PG in the league, but like you said, he’s conveniently (or coincidentally whichever) only healthy in a contract year.
Rasheed’s not soft, just an idiot. The difference with Vince and Rasheed is defense and heart. Vince is SOFT. Rasheed is just dumb. Both are flaws, we just tend to have much more venom for the guy that admittedly tanked it to get traded after signing a franchise player type contract then shirking the franchise guy responsibilities. Vince’s issues are slightly worse, but the anti-Rasheed camp is growing (and were he more like Tim Duncan in personality instead of a HILARIOUS, outgoing dude, I think there’d be MUCH MORE hatred going his way, but he’s just tough to hate as a person - he’s my favorite non Celtic in the league - but I definitely wouldn’t want him on my team.)
June 2nd, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Three Stacks says:
Dude, if you’re taking tila tequila over gisele, you’re not from Boston. Isn’t that like sacrilege to your Messiah tom brady? TT looks like she belongs on the wrong end of a circus freak donkey show, with a room full of vietnam vets watching. It’s like her body is TRYING to be a midget, but failing. I dunno, she looks off.
The Da Vinci Code is not literature. It’s adult Harry Potter. Go read something meaningful, please.
Slow news day indeed.
June 3rd, 2008 at 12:37 am
Beantown, son! says:
I like 3 stacks comment, “adult Harry Potter”, haha
Gisele’s overrrated, eff do I care if she’s with Tommy
Boom Dizzle is just the man. He’s not soft like Vince. He hasn’t had the knack to be a “bonehead” like Sheed…He’s always been one of my favorite players so I just hate to see him categorized like this. He isn’t as big of a “name” maybe that gives him a little bit of a pass. Sheed & Vince’s faults/shortcomings have been sooo publicized….C’mon man do u watch B-Diddy? I wish I could see hime more on the East coast but from what I’ve seen he goes hard (PAUSE)
Come to think of it, what a weird idea for a topic & weirder timing….
June 3rd, 2008 at 12:49 am
tealish says:
@AY: ??? By “AI”, you don’t mean the HOFer, the owner of the 2nd highest playoff scoring average in history and arguably the best little man the NBA has ever seen, do you?
June 3rd, 2008 at 4:54 am
VuDoo says:
i think the point has been well and truly made
this is a good article. there is nothing against baron or sheed here, you could change the article to say player X and player Y, they are used for comparitive reasons, reason being, VC receives more hate than he deserves…
just skimming through the above comments and isolating some (obviously by VC haters), pretty much all of these comments state ‘VC still doesn’t get a pass’, ‘he’s still soft, or a puss’ and no argument is made as to why.
you’ve made an argument and backed it up with an educated body of points. some of these comments are just plain ignorant.
only argument i’ve seen is VC has no heart.
back it up. don’t just say it. Austin has addressed this point of hate. see his other article with reference to Coach thompsons quote on how that infamous toronto interview was misinterpreted. etc….
June 3rd, 2008 at 5:11 am
VuDoo says:
in response to Smitty’s long response. comment number 7.
Can’t you see that your defence of sheed and his misperceptions is pretty much exactly what Austin is doing regards to Vince. both adequate arguments with relevant points.
One thing i don’t agree with is you went through that massive letter of a response backing up rasheed to end it with, Austin, let the VC thing go, the world will keep spinning and all that…
then what was the point of all the arguments you made in defence of rasheed? if that was your true philosphy, you wouldn’t have taken the time to write all that… because hey… all those misconceptions about rasheed that you could correct in educated points, don’t worry right? because whether you do or don’t… the world keeps spinning…
saying something like that is such a cop out to feign indifference, when really you’ve commented and written because the article has affected you in some way, and you’ve felt the need to voice your opinion. Austin’s article by the way, is also an opinion, let’s not forget that.
what does the fact that whether or not you are providing an opinion on something, the world will keep spinning, have to do with anything. i just think that’s a cop out. an easy way out.
we are basketball fans, well i am, and i like to discuss, talk, argue points, views, players, opinions. i think that is what counts.
June 3rd, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Kevin says:
Excellent post!!!
June 3rd, 2008 at 2:05 pm
D says:
Tila Tequilla looks like a mutant. Looks good from far, but far from good, as the old addage goes.
As for Sheed, Baron, AND Vince, they all lack the mental toughness to take control of the game and get it done. None of them step up and do whatever it takes to get the ‘W’. To some extent, the entire Pistons team seems like that. For the Nets, it’s a lot of coaching issues. For the Warriors, I dunno, maybe cause they play in the Western Conference? Perhaps Baron did (and probably does) have the killer instinct, particularly in the Dallas series last year when the whole team was fired up, but in the end he’s getting too
Hollywood and the game isn’t his primary focus. But he’s only making $17 mil per right….?
June 3rd, 2008 at 2:47 pm
JC says:
As a Baron fan — I can guarantee he’s not UNIVERSALLY loved. How many people have mentioned Baron’s injuries? MANY people talk about how injury prone he has been. BD has never been accused of sitting out over a hangnail; he usually is out for SERIOUS injuries. I find it amusing that people talk about an AI maximizing his potential — is that a certainty? Because he has been blessed to not have a really serious injury does not mean he is maximizing potential. I wont be ignorant and pretend I know about AI’s offseason regiments, but it has been noted on this website about his partying the night before and balling out. What if he cut out the partying? What if he trained more? what if he went to PRACTICE? Could AI be better than he has been? Hard to say — different strokes for different folks. Fact is, a Baron Davis is a guy you wouldnt mind going to war with (and also Rasheed to an extent) whereas, I wouldnt feel the same about Mr. Carter…
June 3rd, 2008 at 3:48 pm
doc says:
I would go to war with b-diddy and sheed.i would leave vince home.if u want a explanation go to the other 3ooo entries ab showed love for vince
June 3rd, 2008 at 6:49 pm
w says:
I kind of agree on some of the points.
Number four would be the reason i can’t stand Vince. B-dizzle didn’t bench himself though, and one game is nothing compared to the times VC has done that nonsense. And Rasheed leading the league in tech’s most definitely shows he plays with no passion.
Oh and Barons had health problems since he was a UCLA… the first 3 seasons and this past one had to be a flukes. lmao
June 3rd, 2008 at 10:11 pm
JoeGym says:
Vince has too much of that shared gene w/T-Mac for me. I see it every nite in Houston & its getting old
As for Tila, I went to college w/several of her friends & they are MUCH hotter than her
June 4th, 2008 at 12:13 am
Teddy says:
I think outta those 3 Baron is the least Da vinci code but i can c where yall comin from. Vince and sheed continue to piss me off watchin them play
My top 3 Da Vinci Code items:
1.T-Mac as much as i hate 2 say it
2.facebook lol
3.all of dipset..to me n e way
June 4th, 2008 at 9:39 am
QQ says:
Appreciate the Sheed argument, but come on, Baron? Leading an 8th seed to demolish the best team in the L (67 freaking wins)isn’t enough proof that Baron is ballin his ass off in every single game?
June 8th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
swizz says:
Post number 42 was DUMB funny. Teddy you accurrate about dipset.
To me Da Vinci Code:
1. David Lee (He wouldn’t start for 90% of the league)
2. Jamal Crawford ( The most OVERRATED player next to…)
3. STEPHON DUDBURRY