Stephon Marbury (photo. Mannion)Have we reached the symbolic end of the Stephon Marbury experiment? The Knicks agreed to a deal with Chris Duhon yesterday (two years at the mid-level exception, believed to be a total of $11.6 million), and according to Duhon’s agent, the decision to go with New York over Orlando was swung by the “chance to be a starter” with the Knicks. Is Duhon good enough for NY to let Steph go and ride with Nate Robinson and Mardy Collins as their other point guards? So far everyone in the organization has pretended like they’re cool with Steph and wouldn’t mind having him there next season, but behind the scenes we’ve been hearing that as soon as they picked up a decent PG, Steph was outta there. Is there any scenario under which you’d want Marbury on your team? Can you come up with a deal to acquire his $21 million expiring contract? … Duhon (5.8 ppg, 4.0 apg) had his moments last year, most notably a national TV game at Golden State where he gave Baron Davis 34 points, 9 assists and 3 steals on the same night Chris Webber debuted with the Warriors. He also had his low points, like when he got in trouble for going to a Duke/North Carolina game without telling the team and got benched for about two weeks, and over his career has shown J.R. Rider tendencies by missing the occasional practice here and there. And it’s no secret dude likes to get it in after-hours, which is always a concern when a player comes to New York … A quick look at the Knicks’ salary breakdown over the next few years brings up a few questions: Is there any doubt whatsoever that Jerome James will jump all over his $6.6 million player-option in 2009-2010? How about Q-Rich and his $9.3 million player-option? They couldn’t get a shred of that kind of money with another team … It’s been a rough go for the ‘08 Draft’s top two picks ever since draft night: Derrick Rose’s traffic citation for going over 100 mph in a 65 zone at 3 a.m. became public knowledge a few days ago, and Michael Beasley took an elbow to the chest in his first practice with the Heat and is listed as day-to-day with a slight fracture in his sternum … Undrafted guys Pat Calathes (St. Joe’s) and Josh Duncan (Xavier), along with former Indiana star Marco Killingsworth, are also in Heat rookie camp. Between Udonis Haslem, Beasley and Alexander Johnson, Miami isn’t suffering from a lack of beasts inside, but they could use a shooter like Calathes. He probably has the best chance of any of those three to make the squad … Or all three of those guys could be left in the cold if Miami picks up Kwame Brown, who they’re said to be interested in. That’s not even the most surprising news we heard yesterday. Apparently the Celtics brought Darius Miles in for a workout — and he looked good. In what fair and just world does Darius Miles get to possibly win a championship in 2009 while T-Mac can’t get out of the first round and Elton Brand can barely make the playoffs? … The Warriors and Sixers have reportedly entered the Corey Maggette discussion, and those two can offer more than the mid-level exception. Surely Maggette would like to make more than “Chris Duhon money,” but the chance to win something substantial with San Antonio, Boston or Utah — some of the other teams he’s been talking to who can’t go higher than the $5.8 million — may be worth taking less money after spending so many years with the Clippers … The Sixers are also talking to Josh Childress after having Josh Smith in for a visit. It’s obvious the Hawks would be devastated if Smith walks, but could they still be a playoff team without Childress? He’s one of their more valuable guys and had some big games in the Celtics series … Gilbert Arenas to the Washington Post on his new deal: “The main thing is that I didn’t want to just take the big contract and then be sitting there in the same position [Kevin Garnett] was in when he was in Minnesota, making all that money but the team couldn’t put any pieces around him to win a championship. I talked to him about that, and I didn’t want that to happen here. This way, I’m still getting paid a lot of money and we can make the moves we need to make. I want to win a championship here in D.C. I want to have a parade that goes right past the White House. Me and Barack Obama. How cool would that be?” So we take it Gil isn’t voting for John McCain … Who can the Wizards get with that money Arenas left on the table? The team is said to be targeting James Posey, for one. Imagine being an opposing two-guard or small forward playing Washington and you’ve got Posey and Caron Butler taking turns sticking you all night. Miserable … We’re out like Starbury …
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July 5th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Knickhopeful says:
Uno
July 5th, 2008 at 8:59 am
H says:
people need 2 stop all the blind love 4 KG….he deserves praise 4 this past year but y dusn neone talk about his ridiculous greed in takin those hHUGE contracts in minny?
so danm greedy he took what? quarter of a billion frm minny when it was all said and done?!!!
i still don think arenas is worth that kinda dough hes been injad since what late 06/07 season, he may not have a full season again EVER
IH
July 5th, 2008 at 9:19 am
miamiVIS3 says:
FYI Dime the Heat waved Alexander Johnson earlier this month.
But the Heat’s summer league team is a great squad. I would love to see Josh Duncan make the team but even with out AJ we’ve got a log jam of 6-7 to6-9 PFs but I think David Padgett from Luisville has a chance to make the team.
Also don’t know much about Pat Calethes except that he can shoot. What I’m curious about is that he’s 6-10 so is he gonna be more like Hedo turkoglu as a huge 3 or is cane he play in the post?
July 5th, 2008 at 9:20 am
miamiVIS3 says:
… or can he …
July 5th, 2008 at 9:21 am
Damon says:
gilbert needs to realize that 15 million less in 6 years won’t help his team THAT much.
and they won’t win a championship with that team. never
July 5th, 2008 at 9:26 am
Flying_Dutchman says:
Would if of KILLED Arenas to sign for like 100million? And give the team even more money to throw around at someone?.. Guess he needs to feed his family
July 5th, 2008 at 9:55 am
JOB33 says:
Did H text that reply in?
It would indeed be a sad day if D-Miles gets on with the Celtics. Beasely’s sternum gettin cracked by an elbow has to make ya wonder if his body’s NBA-ready.
July 5th, 2008 at 9:59 am
JOB33 says:
Wiz need to spend that extra cash left on the table by Gil on a passing machine, or maybe even one of those rebounder things u hook up on the underside of the basket. Between him and Antawn, the Wiz will be GUNNIN’ for the next couple of years.
July 5th, 2008 at 10:03 am
Mister Sun says:
of course his body is nba ready, have you seen him?
those things could happen to anybody and is nothing special
July 5th, 2008 at 10:15 am
schoops says:
“star”bury is just terrible. I cannot wait for him to be far away from my knicks. Duhon certainly isn’t the answer at the point, but the old Charlie Ward/ Chris “I’ll punch dikembe in the face” Childs combo held it down for some of my favorite knicks teams, so we shall see. Every team that gets rid of marbury imroves dramatically the next year, so at least there’s that to look forward to….
YES, if Jerome James picks up his player option (that kinda money will buy a ton of food) that means MSG gets another exciting year of hotdog eating contests with him and Curry.
Gilbert may not be worth that kind of money, but who is? Not many who are paid more than him deserve it.
F**K McCain.
July 5th, 2008 at 10:16 am
schoops says:
At least Gil puts fans in the seats… so it’s a smart business decision…
July 5th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Bron42 had springs before slamball says:
I don’t care how much you lift or workout, if someone hits you in the right spot when your not expecting it, your gonna feel it and possibly get hurt.
As for KG, he only took one contract in minny after his rookie contract. What really killed the twolves was them tryin to sneak joe smith on the team and then losing draft pics for like the next 7 years. Because even when the wolves had a decent team and went to the conference finals the management didn’t wanna put the money out for cassel and spreewell to umm..feed their families.
For the heat, would a 6′10 shooter like Pat really make a different when they don’t have a dominant post presense? Kapono only became good for one year cuz he had shaq remember.
And the celts just drafted 2 athletic sg/sfs so they need to drop miles and just try to sign chris andersen or some other decenlty young athletic big.
July 5th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Celts Fan "Kobe, Tell me how my ass tastes" says:
So our progression for potential replacements for Posey (who should be the #1 priority to bring back regardless) is Maggette (selfish gunner that at least sometimes seems to get it) to DMiles (waste of talent, malcontent, dbag who’s NEVER seemed to get it) What, couldn’t bring in Carlton Dotson for a look? Jesus..
July 5th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Ashlov says:
I bet Pat Riley could make a redemption project out of Marbury.
July 5th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
YOUNFED says:
“Would you start Chris Duhon over Stephon Marbury? ” -DIME
Hellz NO! I wouldn’t start him over Nate let alone Starbury. Dude is still a star. NEVER FORGET!
July 5th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Skeeter McGee says:
Been gone for a quick minute but I’m back…
A lotta hate from what I been seeing over different places about Gilbert Arenas. I don’t know, I guess if soemone offered me 127 mil I’d take it and run man. Nothing in life is guaranteed, but for Gil the money was so I’m even surprised dude let go of 16 mil. 16 Million! That’s a shit ton more than I will ever see in my lifetime… Good point to the dude who said the people making more than him don’t necessarily deserve it. Starbury is still making more right? Excuse me while I laugh…
Yo how dope would it be if the Knicks somehow traded Q-Rich to the Cavs for some scrub package? Q can still shoot (I’m assuming) and the Cavs need an ATHLETIC shooter (i.e. NOT Wally). Then when the time comes, thats like 9.3 million dollars off the payroll right? I think it could work (then again I’m not a GM). Damn, Q prolly thinking, I wish I was in PHX now with the big fella clogging up the middle.
July 5th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Skeeter McGee says:
Oh yeah, and…
Think what the Wizards coulda done if Gil had taken like a 6-year 90 million dollar contract? That’s pretty reasonable, at least I think so. Then the Wizards coulda tried to make some moves, or at least made moves in 2010 when every big player, it seems, becomes a free agent. Ahhh the possibilities…
July 5th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Boston 3 Party says:
OMG. Darius Miles?!? Are you kidding me? There’s a reason even the Clippers didn’t want the guy. Being a Bostonian fan I have to wonder whether the Celtics will be as hungry next year as they were this past season. I know that sounds like I’m a cheap fan, but you saw K.G. with that fire in his eyes for like a regular season game against the Heat haha. But what would the Spurs be considered if they land C-Mags? Would he start or come off the bench like Manu? Damn, think if Manu and Maggette came off the bench for them…STACKED!
July 5th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
rangerjohn says:
1st KG played 12 seasons in minny, so obviously he signed more then 2 contracts, 1 rookie and 2 regular contracts where he contracted for almost 250 mil.
2nd did anyone really thing that gilbert “im the best shooter in the game” arenas was going to sign for less then he could get? did anyone honestly think he would leave money on the table to “help the team?” if you really believed that selfish prick would do that, then you have been fooling yourself every day of your life.
3rd magette will sign with the spurs because he knows this is an odd yr so it is a spurs yr lmao!
4th obama is a lieing flip flopping farthest left leaning liberal who will jack up your taxes, never do anything about oil prices and us energy, and wil not end the war in iraq without leaving it in the hands of people worse then the terrorists we fight there every day right now (think iran taking over iraq)
nuf said vote mccain 08!
July 5th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Luigi says:
well @post 19. GO OBAMA hahaha.
neways so i believe that gil shuda gone for 6 yr 100 mill. but its his choice so who cares. im glad hes generous enough to even give back 16 mill
but whas taht gonna do? hahah get posey 4 yrs 16 mill. sounds reasonable
July 5th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
miamiVIS3 says:
How can you be made at Gilbert for giving up 16 mill to stay with the the Wiz when he could’ve gone to Oakland or Sac-town to get PAID hell we couldn’t get Matrix to give up 3 mill give Gil a break.
July 5th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
bucklout says:
I would hope the Knicks don’t try to trade Marbury.
Just let dude walk, buy him out.
Watch homie still try and show up at practices and demand to be a starter after he gets cut.
July 5th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
schoops says:
YOUGFED: god I hope taht’s a joke about marbury. Dude may be a star in a street bball game, but you have to do something besides get a massive contract to be a star. He’s washed up steve francise style.
RangerJohn: Karl Rove and those facists already used the “flip flopper” BS tag on Kerry, get something new. Also, more deaths in Afgan. this month than Iraq, you know the place where Osama started all those shenanigans with Al Qu. about 7 years back. He’s still running around. Get your facts straight. I don’t need another 4 yrs of “bush bs”… our country’s F’d up enough already.
The only thing worse would be if James Dolan was president.
July 5th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
schoops says:
Also, does ANYONE ever give up money in the nba (with a few exceptions)? Yet people hate on Gil for not giving up enough… seems a tad unreasonable. And at least he’s a funny guy who relates to fans and cares about the game.
July 5th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
s,bucketZ says:
i duno y the knicks are bringin in a guy who was backing up kirk hinrich aka kurt heinrick to start
July 5th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
BxBaller says:
Fuck what you heard, Steph is still a starter in this league. He is still very talented, and can get it done in D’Antoni’s run & gun system. He is still a top 10 point guard. Honestly lets list them (in no order)
Paul
Kidd
Nash
D. Williams
Parker
Billups
A. Miller
B. Davis
Marbury
Arenas
Rose(Rookie)
Not to mention dude has a career average of 19.7 ppg & 7.8 apg. If the Knicks do release him, I will highly upset. Hell they should release Jerome James.
July 5th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
udonis says:
yo pat calathes used to play PG at start in Uni but shot up over the years to me this means he can probably at a plethora of spots on the floor, a team like the heat or minny should take a chance on him.
If I had an NBA team id take Starbury, at the worst he’s 21 mill expiring contract, can he play worse than theo ratliff?
y dont the wizz sign Maggette?
July 5th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
gee the steph fan says:
for all his bad attitude or whatever you people call a cancer, I’ve never saw the KNicks Organization have time to stand behind Marbury. Iverson, C.Paul, D.Williams- you have to play to these guys strength. I’ve never seen the Knicks go get a spot up shooter, or defensive big man to start breaks, Marbury has been made the scapegoat for an organization with no direction. Silly fans only want results, but look at how teams are built. Peja is the shooter, D.West is the Scorer. Chandler Dunks and Rebounds. C.Paul is able to run the show, score whenever, and dish to Peterson. The Knicks have nothing like that set up. Bad GMs, Bad Coaches, but because he’s called ‘STARBURY’ Knick Fans blame him for Channing Frye, or 2 lottery picks to Chicago, etc. its sad its come to this. His first two years: 20 and 9, last two :14 and 5
but the last two years he was to pass first, he should have stayed unselfish.
July 5th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
schoops says:
only marbury and oscar robertson averages 20 pts and 8 assists in 8 straight seasons….
yet he’s never finished with a winning record with the knicks. hasn t been out of the first round on ANY playoffs team he’s been with, and doesnt win. And every team he has left has improved dramatically the next season without him.
Also he’s nota good fit for D’antoni’s system… steve nash makes everyone better, marbury makes himself better. nash is a pass first, pass second, shoot third kinda PG, marbury is anything but that.
But I do agree he is not the only reason the knicks have sucked, he’s just one of them.
No need to buy out jerome james, just give him a lifetime supply of nathan’s franks and he’ll be all smiles.
July 5th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
JOB33 says:
Stephon is a me-first, me-second, me-third PG. That’s why everyone hates on him. I used to be a Starbury fan, but u can see in the way he plays that he’s a me-first, team-second kinda player. I mean i don’t want to stay on the Starbury hate-wagon here, but yes he is talented, and yes he has been traded numerous times. You think that’s a coincidence? I dont. And I am one of those that puts him in the Steve Franchise category. I don’t care about how much talent u got, it gets old watching a guy hold/dribble/shoot the ball 90% of the time his team has possession. You can’t really blame these guys, though. They’ve grown-up as THE MAN on every team they played, and it is hard to change one’s perception of reality. Especially when the change comes to cost a little of one’s dignity and pride. Steph has got to learn to play with great talent.
July 5th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Buck Fush says:
Sorry but A.Z. leaving 16 million over 6 years won’t help them acquire jack, let’s see:
16 mil / 6 yr = $2.67 million per year
to sign someone else, and that’s if they’re not approaching the tax limit which I am guessing they are.
Not exactly a Duncan-esque move, about half-hearted if you ask me.
. . . . .
Here’s hoping the Spurs will sign Maggette, he would be a fantastic starter for them for the life of his contract and put them back at the top of the crop to come out of the West, if Manu can stay healthy after the Olympics.
July 5th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Reed Ewing Frazier says:
Damn what is with all the hate for D-Miles? He made mistakes but he has talent the Celts would be lucky to get him.
@RangerJohn Get the fuck outta with that FoxNEWS bullshit I don’t like Obama either but Repulbitchs ain’t shit you had your chance just shut the fuck up and stand on the sidelines and wave your Flag if you are under the age of 40 yrs old and physically fit the join the ARMY and get on the Frontlines then McCain supporter.
@Bron 42 Good point about Minn management they fucked up not KG. You can never fault a player for taking as money as possible if you kats where in that position you would do the same thing.
@ my Knicks fans I really starting to worry about D Walsh Chris Duhon? he is alright but we need to worry about the 3,4,5 positions. I mean he picks a dude at 6 that we could have got in the late first round maybe even the second round and now this shit. He gets one more chance if he fucks up again I’m asking for Zeke to come back!!
KNICKS UP!! all the rest down!!
July 5th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Lee says:
Funny Steph tried to be a pass first player the past 2 seasons and his assists dropped 4/g. Sounds to me like he’s done.
And didn’t duncan get a HUGE rookie contract ?? Gill was a 2nd round, he’s missed a payday, give the guy a break !!! He’ll get traded his final year with a nice $20 mill expiring contract.
July 5th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
John Starks says:
@ ppl trying to defend Marbury:
He is obviously an incredible talent, and somewhere in there he does have the court vision to be pass-first/avg 15 assists all day. He COULD HAVE been one of the best point gaurds ever.
But NOT ONE OF HIS TEAM MATES LIKES HIM. HE HAS YET TO MAKE A FRIEND IN THE NBA, WHERE HE’S WORKED FOR 10 YEARS. He’s always sullen and bitter. There have been multiple reports of fistfights at practice over the years between him and other players including QRich, who gets along with everyone.
The point is yeah he’s skilled, but its not worth it for the organization at this point to keep him around to fuel hostilities. We need to put shit behind us and not have everyone in the organization hate coming in to work every day.
Marbury might be good on a contending veteran team if he accepts a bench role, but its no good for him to stick around on the Knicks.
So we’ll take draft picks for him, otherwise ya’ll can wait till we waive him.
July 5th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
rangerjohn says:
well lets see here where should i start for the NEW DICKS!!!
shoop, obama flip flops as much or more then kerry thought he ever could, lets talk about getting facts straight, lets see, he started his bid with “i will end this war TODAY” now it has become ” i will talk to the people THERE and see when we can end the war” and then there is the “we need to drill here now” WHICH HAS BECOME “DRILLING NOW WILL DO NOTHING TO HELP” i mean damn i am not even getting into the whole im not muslim, im christian, or the whole i never heard “MY” reverand talk like a racist or make thouse comments. i mean damn man dont belive the BS hype coming from OBAMA.COM or what ever his bullshit site is.
and now over to REED EWING FRAZIER
come at me with something stronger then “go join the army and get on the front lines. READ MY NAME, i have BEEN ON THE FRONTY LINES i know what it is about, i have been in the army, i know all about the front lines, i know all about people dieing. i may not be in the service any more, but i served with pride, and honor, and i know what it is like. my grand father served, my other grand father was a POW in ww2, i served, i earned my tab AND my scroll. look it up, look up the UNITED STARTS ARMY RANGERS!!! see what we have done, see what we are about.
now come back and tell me again about serving on the front lines. i own my own business now, and i have 2 employees who have also served, one just watched one of his best friends die in a hospital bed in san antonio with burns so bad he could not shut his eyes because he had no eyelids. tell me again about serving the front lines. i have seen men die, i have seen people blow themselves up, i have seen children in the middle of the streets in pieces, women split in half, men with parts of their bodies on 5 differnt buildings. tell me agai nabout serving on the front lines.
now that being said, tell me how lieing ass obama(who has not even had the balls to go visit the troops or any other country while mccain has made ELEVEN trips to iraq, afganistan, and other countries to visit troops, and other govts) is going to lead us out of this war? is he going to pull the troops out? or is he going to “ask the men there” what he should do? it doesnt mater who is elected, the war will not be over in 4 yrs, might now even be over in 8 yrs.
vote for who you want, but obama has no experience, he is a lier, he IS a flip flopper, he does change his opinions, he does say what everyone wants to hear, he is a piece of lieing bullshit!
maccain in 2008 (he might now be the best choice but he is better then the opposition)
July 5th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Bone says:
I’m still cracking up @ Post 13 with the Carlton Dotson joke…that is comedy…
Anyways, Stephon Marbury is a textbook example of a sixth man - someone who is going to come in and score in bunches, and not have to worry about running an offense. He is a more skilled Bobby Jackson or Jannero Pargo, but to mention him anywhere near the same breath as Nash, Paul, Deron, Kidd, Baron, or Billups is insane. Hell, you would have a hard time convincing me to take Steph over guys like Rajon Rando or Delonte West at this point because those guys play to their strengths and play within the offense.
That being said, imagine a team like the Lakers bringing Steph off the bench to play against the backup PGs from most of the opposing teams in the League. Sick. If Steph swallows his pride and accepts the fact that his team is never going to win when he is the man, he could eaisly cop 6th Man of the Year and get a ring.
Or is he still to slefish and dillusional to accept a role like that?
July 5th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
miamiVIS3 says:
^^^^^
and this is why we should stick to talking about basketball
July 5th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
miamiVIS3 says:
Dammit Bone that was supposed to be pointing @ rangerjohn
July 5th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
rangerjohn says:
@miami
trust me i will talk all the BB you want but i do not like obama, not even in the slightest, and i dont like being called out even less.
so tell me miami, what do you think your nba team should do to get better?
July 5th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Starbury shoe salesman says:
about deals… how about Artest, Shareef and Thomas for Marbury? If we ignore Ron Ron’s history with Walsh, this could make sense for both teams… the Kings get out of crappy deals with a huge expiring deal and tell Marbury he’s playing for a deadline trade or Cassellian buyout and should be on his best behavior… the Knicks would get a defender who can shoot and 2 big men that could keep up with the new pace better than ZBo and Eddy.
July 5th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
miamiVIS3 says:
Well rangerjohn I feel the Heat have made huge strides already and should look to add a spot up shoooter ala James Jones for half the exception or Pat Calathes for a near minimum salary and use the rest on a decent center(not Kwame Brown). how about you? you root for the Purs don’t you, how do you feel about Maggette?
July 5th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
rangerjohn says:
well miami, those sound interesting, but i dont see jones going to the heat, he is not looking to get on a rebuild, he has been there and done that, he wants a contender. i expect he is trying to get on the lakers to be honest.
and kwame cant help any team UNLESS he comes in for 10 minutes a game.
and yes i am a spurs fan, i like the maggette idea. he has been hurt every season, and i expect no different, but then the spurs dont need him to make the playoffs, they need him during the playoffs. he could most 20 games or hwta ever but if he gets to the line and does what he does in the playoffs, the spurs jump from the #3 team to easily top 2 anyway. remember it is an odd yr and that means “spurs title” yr. with maggette starting, manu off the bench they can handle anything, then again if they get a finley type (i have no issue with the real one either) to start, then magette and manu off the bench there is no team in the league that could handle them. NONE baring injury. the only reason the laker beat them was inury period.
July 5th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
K Dizzle says:
Nice list of points but
Paul Kidd Nash D. Williams Parker Billups A. Miller
B. Davis Arenas Rose aren’t where it ends.
I’d also take Calderon, Fisher, Farmar, Rondo, Stuckey, Iverson, Nate Rob, TJ Ford, Bibby, Foye, Terry, D Harris, J Nelson and Rafer before I took Steph.
@ Lee
Gil actually made more dough as a second rounder cuz he got out of that contract after his 2nd year and first rounders are on their rookie contracts for 4 years. Gil signed that first Wiz deal for 6yrs and 65 mil. It’ll be the same for dudes like Milsap and CDR if he becomes a decent player, you can actually cash in earlier
July 5th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
JOB33 says:
who cares about who gets voted in? money will, and always will, run this country.
July 5th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
word says:
sorry to say this but it ain’t lookin good for NY
draft pick cuz Mike D’antoni is friends with his dad, now this?
Duhon is garbage and you gunna have him start and the rook?
July 5th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Donnie Walsh says:
@ Post 40:
Fuck outta here.
The most I’ll give you is Zach Randolph for Shareef and Kenny.
I might also be willing to give you Eddy Curry for Brad Miller AND a 2010 first-round draft pick.
July 5th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Bron42 aka Triple OG says:
lol did we really just have some gay army temper tantrum over politics? sad. Like ANY politician is ever honest and like either one of these guys really have the power to change anything. It will always be the good ol boy system thanks to things like congress being able to veto the president. Hence why we have a C+ student gun twirlin cowboy as out president now just cuz his daddy did it first. McCain isn’t any better than any other guy and he’ll lie to get votes just as quick as you say obama does so lets not make it like hes really all that different. hes a politician, which pretty much means “I say what you like, and then you keep your fingers crossed that i stick to it” same with obama, same with hilary, etc… Either way, until the people who GET US IN THE WAR actually have to fight in them we will always have dumb wars and things like that. So what obama hasn’t gone and visited the soldiers, if thats your selling point then ok, thats like me suddenly hating mccain simply because hes not visiting black schools in the projects. Everyone can come up with quick reasons why thier person is better but in the long run it wont matter for shit anyway. This simple fact that people already kno who their gonna vote for just because their democrat or republican without even hearing what they say shows elections isj ust another for of reality tv. Now that aside…..
Marbury will never swallow his pride. EVER. Duhon isn’t as good but hes not really the head case either, and it could buy time for them to get a legit guard. besides, new york fans are gonna be too busy BOOING captain italy anyway to notice duhon on the court.
July 5th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
rangerjohn says:
see here you go bron42, mccain has pissed off both parties because he doesnt play those “politicle” games. he votes the way he sees them. he has been the most “honest” politician since the regan yrs. if you dont like the things these guys do, think they both tell you what you want to hear, then just look at voting records. mccain votes on the issue, he doesnt do “party lines” while obama “votes” PRESENT and not for or against the issues. i mean really lets look at the voting record to start. obama has alreaay had a history (no mater how short it may be and that is another issue with obama) of his few votes at all to vote to raise taxes, and he is planning to do it even more. you like the (most likely) 33% you have taken from your check, wait till that becomes 35-38%. you think obama will even begin to to help the FUTURE of fuel and energy? no way, he is already taking a stand against drilling on us reserves, or nuke power. at least mccain is for BOTH. he is for everything that can help lower costs and taxes for us. it is not going to be next yr, or even 4 yrs from now but at least he is willing to start. so what happens when obama gets elected,,,, then we stay in the war, energy costs stay high and get higher, taxes increase, and there is not even a future chance of relief because obama is all about his “image” and nothing else. mccain doesnt care about his image, he wants to be president yes, but he is not out telling you and me what we want to hear to get there.
and while you have the “right” to say it was a “gay army tantrum” until you are there and have done it, you can suck the cock of every soldier before or after me.
and if you honestly thing obama is for the “pour black man in the hood” you have another thing coming. better look past the color (since that is exactly what it is for you) and look at the record and issues.
and marbury will be bought out, and he will sign with a team like the bucks or the t-woves for a nice (not what he has been making) pay day and start for them.
July 5th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
for real says:
well ranger, who will be McCain’s VP, ’cause that old fuck ain’t gonna make it 4 more years.
…I don’t think Bron42 is going to suck any soldier cock, but that was funny as hell….
July 6th, 2008 at 12:02 am
BallerBlogger says:
No one in their right mind would trade for Starbury. The Knicks are going to have to buy out his contract if they want to part with Stephon.
July 6th, 2008 at 12:05 am
BallerBlogger says:
The only chance Steph has to resurrect his career is to land with a top-flight point guard and agree to move to shooting guard or sixth man.
July 6th, 2008 at 12:49 am
Bron42 had springs before slamball says:
hey ranger danger, wow you got me, cuz thats exactly what i said. Did i even say i was voting for obama? did i not say ALL politicians lie? you show me a politician who doesn’t lie and I’ll show you a motherfucker who aint gettin elected. So take the shrapnel out your ass and the sand out your vagina with all the vietnam vet talk. Read my fuckin post before you go into your charlie flashback fits like your the first and only fuckin person to ever be in the army or know someone in the army so suddenly your political views are set in stone alright there moses. Are you on a brail keyboard? since you obviously didn’t even read what i said. i said voting for mccain because he went to iraq is JUST AS DUMB as me voting for obama JUST because he goes to the ghetto and talks. I didn’t say either guy was great. For all you know I could be voting mccain and just be aware of the fact that politicians lie. They lie, they twist words, they flip flop depending what group is around. So unless your real name is ranger mccain, you know JUST as much about politics as I do so why don’t you just relive your army days and suck my dick private. I love how someone says anything about obama and you jump to the fact i’m voting because hes black meanwhile I could just as easily say your voting for McCain cuz your some bitchy old redneck, but did I say that? nooo i just voiced my opinion on both sides, which last I checked I was able to do. Hence this lovely forum. My WHOLE statement was about how ALL politians lie and neither would make much of a difference and all you can process from it is “oh he said hood,he must be one of them there black obama supporters”. Did you shoot a gun off in the air and hop on your pick up after you read it? You probably think the mexicans are takin your jobs too dont ya? All racist sterotyping aside,I’ll repeat, NEITHER of the guys will make a difference since the president doesn’t have final say. All he can do is make a suggestion and hope congress passes it. The less similar he is to congress, less chance he has. So if your right and McCain pissed off both sides, then congress wont pass any of his shit so were screwed. If I’m right and obama wins, I can PROMISE you the guys in congress aren’t excited about his stuff so ya…still screwed..gotta love politics..
oh ya, GO HEAT.
July 6th, 2008 at 12:52 am
rangerjohn says:
@ for real
i am thinking mccain will take mike huckabee to run with him.
i get the feeling obama is leaning toward the crazy ass clintons to run with him. now if he does that and gets ellected, he will not finish his 1st term. the clintons will have him “removed” from office one way or another to take control. they are the most currupt people in all of govt.
ny will buy out marbury before they even get the chance to trade him. he will be a free agent before the season starts
July 6th, 2008 at 1:09 am
rangerjohn says:
bron42
1st you attacked me and my service before i said a word about you and your racism.
2nd i will agree everyone lies, and yet if YOU go back and read my posts, i point out the fact that while mccain may not be the best person for the job he is better then the alternative.
3rd i served in iraq not vietnam.
4th you did not say you liked obama because he went to ” the hood and talked to blacks” you said ” hating mccain simply because hes not visiting black schools in the projects”. right now the issues of this country are not in the projects, they are the bored, the economy, foreighn relations, and so on. employment is about at the same point it was when bill clinton was in office, fuel prices are not as bad as they where when carter was in office (prorated for inflation of course), and taxes are actually coming down at this point. now once again i tell you to go read up on the issues, read up on how AND WHAT the candidates vote, read up on who changes possition, read up on who has stood their ground.
as an example, obama ASKED to have tax payer $$$$ used for campaign financing, UNTIL he started getting donations then he all of a sudden decided “we dont need tax payer money” knowing his opposition doesnt have freaking oprah to help finance his bid. mccain asked obama to have “town hall” debates, do you know what that means? it means they go in front of a live audiance and take the audinace’s questions, no mater what they are. man to man, face to face answering what the people want to know with out the pre-set scripted questioning as in a normal debate. you know what your boy said? ok lets do it 2 times, once was supposed to be YESTERDAY! july 4th, in the middle of the july 4th “entertainment” where NOBODY is going to be watching. the other was at a date yet to be named. he told mccain “take it or leave it” i call BULLSHIT on him.
tell me what makes you want to vote for obama? how will he help the country? what does he have to offer?
i say he offers nothing, he has no experince, he votes for tax increases WHEN HE ACTUALLY VOTES, he is against local drilling, he is against nuke power, he doesnt want to visit the troops, he doesnt want to visit our “allies”, he doesnt want to meet with our enemies, all he wants to do is give speaches that are not even his, and talk to people about “change” but offers no examples or plans to actually change anything.
see i like mccain because he has plans, he meets enemies, he meets friends, he meets the troops, and he has experience.
so again i ask, WHY DO YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR OBAMA?
and “we need new blood is a bullshit answer”
July 6th, 2008 at 1:18 am
rangerjohn says:
i expect this will some how turn into a “rangerjohn is a racist” but here you go this is rather interesting
http://www.guysmith.org/blog/2008/06/27/reasons-to-vote-against-obama/
July 6th, 2008 at 2:04 am
Boston 3 Party says:
Only way Kwame helps the team is when he’s injured or he’s got an expiring contract.
July 6th, 2008 at 2:37 am
Bron42 had springs before slamball says:
1. attacked you? sounds like someone needs tougher skin. i could care less about your service and even knowing that, I didn’t at one point put down the army or your service.. I said gay tantrum as in WTF are you wasting your time argung about. And my racism? oooo cuz I tpye casted you as a redneck for voting McCain, not like you said I’m supposedly voting Obama cuz hes black or visits the hood right. That bein said, If i offended anyone i take it back.
2. Better than the alternative in YOUR opinion, which holds like weight in MY decisions. You think McCain is better based on your status, whoopie go throw a parade.I never even said I was voting Obama
3. No shit, you’d be kinda old to be arguing on here with me if you served in nam. You take things wayyyy to literal, no wonder you like McCain.
4. are you SUREEEE you can read? I said “So what obama hasn’t gone and visited the soldiers, if thats your selling point then ok, thats like me suddenly hating mccain simply because hes not visiting black schools in the projects.”MEANING, you voting just because he visits our troops is just as gay as me voting because hes black. Neither will make one a better president. And on top of that, do you know me? do you know my situation? Maybe I’m rich. Maybe I have tons of money and am all for the rich getting richer and the poor getting poor. Maybe my dad works for Exxon and gets paid while you suffer. Maybe I drive a car thats run on popcorn grease and could give two shits about gas prices. Point being, you vote based on which candidate would effect your situation more. Maybe your 100% right about McCain and his plans and it works for you and other people in YOUR SITUATION. But that doesn’t work for everyone. Things that could help you, might not help others, and visa versa. So try not to be too ignorant. So save the “do your research” shit just because I agree with you. We could both know all the research in the world and still not see eye to eye on it dumbass, its called having a choice.
And this town hall debate you speak of…is it new? are we the fucking jetsons with your futuristic fancy town hall ideas? no, I think not. So of course I know what it is, I mean its not like the webcam live debate now days or anything. I mean all you’ve done is sat here tryin to prove your point that McCain is better. Um isn’t that WHY we have a vote? So nut huggers like you can feel like you made a difference and your guy won because of you? Meanwhile we could jsut have another florida recount incident? I mean at not time did i say i was voting Obama. You just keep lecturing me on how McCain should of got the star part in grease or something cuz hes awesome like it matters to me. For all you know I could be liberal. I could be waiting for al gore to run again. I could be canadian and not give two shits. Not everyone one has to agree with you or me, just 51% does. So all you pretty much have to do is stop tying and sit back chanting “my firearm is my friend it will not leave my side” and hope other people agree with you.
P.S: i don’t think your racist…alil dumb and ignorant but not racist. I mean come on, you sent a link to a online blog. A fucking online blog. Whats next, your gonna tell me marbury is the best PG in the league and send me to his myspace page as proof? Ya no bias at all on the blog. Not like its titled “REASONS OBAMA SUCKS” or anything. way to show all sides of the story. I’m sure theres a blog out there that says hitler was right too or that george bush is better than JFK. Plus you harp on people voting for Obama because hes black like just as many white people aren’t voting McCain just because he isn’t black. Its a two way thing chief. Hilary got votes cuz women want women. And No, i wouldnt dare say we need new blood. I mean i’m not sayin I want another stuffy out of touch white guy either but unlike some people, I vote for the guy who effects me in a better way. I could care less if he was new blood, old blood, purple or did all his speeches in a spiderman costume. I mean come on…there were people out there who at some point thought bush was a good idea…bush..
July 6th, 2008 at 3:17 am
LakeShow84 says:
Wizards would make some noise if they signed posey.. Theres someone who can guard Lebron right there..
July 6th, 2008 at 4:27 am
We don't need a 74 year old in charge says:
Bron42 and ranger… here’s a link http://www.go_argue_f_ing_politics_on_some_other_website.com
Hoops rule here…
oh and post 46… ZBo for Shareef and Thomas is a done deal… in fact, ZBo, Marbury ($62m in total contracts, $21 expiring) for Artest, Miller, Shareef and Thomas ($58m, $7m expiring) works.
Miller would be a perfect center for D’Antoni. Don’t think the Kings want to take on Zbo’s three-year contract (unless NY threw in NateRob or David Lee), but Shareef and Kenny cost as much as ZBo for two years anyway and Z can actually play. Add NateRob to the deal and Marbury can just accept his buyout without flying west.
July 6th, 2008 at 5:08 am
We don't need a 74 year old in charge says:
Trying to talk myself into this Marbury thing…
He only played 24 games last year, so take away the two games he played after his dad died (before he took grieving time off) and he’s almost spot on his 06-07 numbers, but with a better shooting percentage, including 38% from 3.
If he could be the player he was in the Olympics a few years ago, a distributor who could get his own and kill teams that sagged off of him, he could be valuable in the league for 5 more years… and could be Nash-like in D’Antoni’s set up. Guess he’s not buying that.
July 6th, 2008 at 9:30 am
rangerjohn (im a racist because i dont trust obama) says:
ok bron42, i am going to say one last thing, you accuse me of being dumb, and/or ignorant because i am trying to talk you or anyone else either into voting for mccain, or against obama (how ever you want to look at it). i have NEVER, not once said mcain was the greatest thing on earth, never once said anything other then the reasons I LIKE HIM, and reason I DISLIKE obama, and in turn i have show the reasons why IN MY OPINION everyone should stay away from obama. oh and for the record, mccain doesnt get his money from oil, he gets it from BEER which is one more reason to like him. all you drinking beer (depending on the brand obviously) are funding mccain anyway lol.
once again i will ask (since i cant seam to get a straight answer and only get some bs rant on how wrong i am with no reasons) WHY ARE YOU (or anyone else) LOOKING TO VOTE FOR OBAMA???!!!!! that would be WHY? and not some BS “mccain is to old” or some BS “look what the good ol boys have done to us now” give me real honest to goodness reasons. i have shown several of my reasonings to vote for mccain OR against obama. and not one of them had anything to do with race.
sooooo WHY should someone vote for obama????????
and back to BB.
@ # 56 maybe every team should just sign him to a 1 yr contract or a 2 yr with a second yr team option every contract.
@# 58 the wiz will never get past labron with 2 players on their team, stevenson, and arenas. stevenson does nothing to help his team and only hurts it with his words and actions, and arenas is greedy (more so then most players) not only in his money but in his play. he is about getting his, and his “legacy”
July 6th, 2008 at 11:58 am
Boston 3 Party says:
Can we get back to talking about BASKETBALL in here…damn
July 6th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Reed Ewing Frazier says:
@rangerjohn If you served good for you I’m in the military right now as we speak but you never made a good point just FOXnews talk I hate both Dems and REPubs they are what is wrong with this country and the sheep who follow them. you wrote a big ass paragraph at me and still didn’t make a valid point McCain is a flipflopper also so what he visited the troops so did Bush you sounded like a flagwaver that is why I told you to serve on the frontlines now the fact that you were over there and still fall for the okie doke is troubling to me and how the fuck does rangerjohn mean you serve in the army chill out homie I thought you were a NY ranger fan or something. Man I’m done vote for who you want but keep it on another blog.
@ everyone My fault for contributing to the politics shout out to all you kats who said to keep it about basketball I’m done talking about it!!
@59 yo slim that was funny line about the website(lol)Miller would fit but that is a dream that is not going to come true we are stuck with Eddie Curry and Z-bo sorry my fellow Knicks fans that is just the facts.
Stephon ain’t going nowhere we are keeping him I think he will have a good year and we can bring Duhon off the bench. I think 2 of our guards will be traded I don’t know who yet but somebody is hitting the road hopefully we will get a solid 3 or 4 back for whoever is traded so D. Walsh handle your B.I.
KNICKS UP!! all the rest down!!