Smack / Jul 25, 2008 / 5:45 am

Monta Ellis is a Warrior, Jason Kidd Might Pull a Childress, and Team USA Goes Without LeBron

Jason KiddJason Kidd, Dime #40

Monta Ellis is off the board. The Warriors re-upped with their new franchise player on a six-year deal worth a reported $67 million. After losing Baron Davis and whiffing on Elton Brand, Golden State pretty much had to bring Monta back just to remain relevant. He’ll be making the move to point guard, which we’re sure he can pull off, but the bigger thing for Monta is developing a three-point shot … The Warriors also matched the Clippers’ offer sheet for Kelenna Azubuike. All that’s left is to get Andris Biedrins re-signed and get someone else who can rebound (maybe Brandan Wright will become that) and they’ll be straight. But from the 1-2-3 positions, GS is at least two-deep with cats who will get buckets … After Josh Childress moved on it first, every restricted free agent who doesn’t like the offers he’s getting is gonna use Europe as at least a bargaining chip, if not a realistic option. Teams traditionally slow-walk it on signing their restricted free agents just because they can, but if European teams come through early with big-money offers, “pulling a Josh Childress” could indeed become a trend. Carl Landry is the latest RFA who’s reportedly considering Europe, plus we’re hearing that Sasha Vujacic and Biedrins are getting offers from overseas … And it’s not just the NBA. Georgia Tech big man Ra’Sean Dickey announced the other day that he’s skipping his senior season to play pro ball in the Ukraine. Last we heard, Khalid El-Amin was ballin’ over there … Jason Kidd — who’s a free agent next summer — spoke on going overseas: “In the next four or five years, could I end up playing over there? Hey, why wouldn’t I play in Italy or somewhere? That might be a great experience. It’s a legitimate option now with Childress going over there.” … FYI, J-Kidd and Team USA plays Canada in an exhibition game tonight at 8 p.m. Eastern on ESPN. LeBron (ankle) is out, so we’re probably seeing a starting five of Kidd, Kobe, ‘Melo, Chris Bosh and Dwight Howard … Kobe on U.S. assistant Mike D’Antoni: “He’s actually more detailed than people think. I used to think playing against Phoenix that the players are just freelancing, but he draws all that stuff up, and he can have 10 options on one play. I’ve never seen an offensive mind like his. And I don’t know any player on this team that doesn’t think (he) wouldn’t be fun to play for.” Watch out Kobe: you came close to indirectly complimenting your man Raja “I Don’t Know This Guy” Bell … The Sixers signed Royal Ivey, who isn’t the ideal replacement in case they lose Andre Iguodala or Louis Williams, but once held the distinction as the NBA starter who got the least amount of burn. We remember a couple years back, Royal started almost every game for the Hawks at two-guard, but would always get taken out in the first quarter and barely play the rest of the night. But that’s better than being famous for getting Lipton’d by Hakim Warrick … With almost half of their team suspended (plus assistant Rick Mahorn), the Detroit Shock actually needed 50-year-old Nancy Lieberman, who they’d signed to a seven-day deal either as a publicity stunt or out of necessity. Lieberman played nine minutes off the bench in Detroit’s loss to Houston yesterday, missing her only shot and getting two assists. Dikembe Mutombo aside, do you think we’ll ever see a 50-year-old get NBA clock? … And what’s up with Candace Parker getting just one game of punishment? She was the one who took it to the next level of physicality when she tackled Plenette Pierson, who got four games off … If the Mavs don’t have room for summer-league standout Charles Rhodes, he should bring along a tape of Leon Powe‘s NBA Finals Game 2 with him to job interviews. Rhodes, who dropped 21 points on the Nets in yesterday’s Rocky Mountain Revue, is destined to fill that type of role on somebody’s team someday … Gerald Green scored 16 for the Mavs, while Chris Douglas-Roberts had 16 and Brook Lopez put up 12 and six boards for New Jersey … We were just wondering if Morris Almond could challenge Ronnie Brewer for Utah’s starting two-guard spot, and Thursday he put in his bid with a 29-point showing against the Hawks. Acie Law was solid, finishing with 21 and five assists with just two turnovers … When it comes to maintaining your sneaker game, what’s most important to you: the name, the look, or the performance? Everybody knows somebody who will go cop the new J’s like clockwork whether they like the look or not, or will wear some kicks two sizes too small just to make sure they’re the hottest on the playground, or will pick up some Ugly Specials so long as they’re comfortable. Tell us your style HERE … We’re out like Mahorn …

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  • http://www.myspace.com JHov

    I’m glad my homeboy Monta re-upped..he was still making his rookie salary..now he’s set! Wow..JKidd could “pull a Childress” huh? Imagine this line-up in a couple of years: Jason Kidd at point, Shaq at center, Horry at forward, Sprewell at guard(he’s not busy) Pennny, Gary Payton,Cassell coming off the bench! Hell they might even talk MJ into coming back overseas to play in Russia or something!




    c’mon J…


    Mutombo is not 50… he’s like 67 but will still block the shit outta ya.

    Either way, nice seeing a 50 year old vet running with the young guns

  • http://www.myspace.com/verbose1 sans

    Why isn’t Spree balling overseas? He could still have his yacht.

  • http://www.myspace.com/verbose1 sans

    Oh! And not one mention of KLove facing off against Bayless. Kevlar had a crazy putback off of Corey Brewer breaking up a pass. Off two hands, off the glass, to a two hand stuff–all while his coach was praising him. Kopponnen looked legit, through the first half (I didn;t catch the rest of it) and Bayless was killing people however he wanted.

  • S-SiN

    bring back foreman!

  • barons beard

    we will see a 50 year old playing in the nba as soon as the greg oden era begins in portland!! someone needs to carbon date that dude, or slice him open and count the rings!!

  • josh

    Why is a legit option when J-kidd talks about it but last summer Marbury mentions liking Italy and playing over there soon and he’s crazy….(but im not saying he’s not crazy, maybe not as crazy in this instance)

  • shake&bake

    Kobe likes playing for D’Antoni. How soon til the “Kobe to the Knicks” rumors start? Haha.

    @Baron’s Beard- That’s hilarious


    Mr. Mutombo and Mr. Oden have been loyal members of our organization for many years, but due to our privacy policy I cannot disclose their actual ages.

  • http://www.alltexasforums.com rangerjohn (fedor is king)

    whats up with the acie law love? it is not heavy love, and i cant complain to much, he did go to texas a&m which is where my wife graduated from but damn you guys are making sound like he is going to be the man in atl this season.

  • Celts Fan

    Greg Oden looks like LeBron’s granddad.
    LMAO @Baron’s Beard and AARP CEO…

  • 2.0

    rangerjohn, Acie Law IV is only one of the most clutch college basketball players in the last 10 years, so it is only natural for people to hope he does well in the pros.

    Candace Parker only got a 1 game suspension because Plenette Pierson gave her no other option but to slam her a$$ on the floor…

  • Celts Fan

    @2.0 and Ranger: Acie Law also gets a lot of love because he’s (assuming he can be) the future at the 1 for the Hawks and a crowd favorite from his A&M days. How could you not like watching him in college?

    and Candace only got 1 game cuz she’s Candace Parker, just like MJ woulda got a slap on the wrist if he threw down in the mid-90’s. Candace is their MJ and they’re doing everything possible to keep her image clean. Maybe finding a BF that didn’t look like a Special Olympics dropout would help. That forehead goes on for days…

  • shake&bake

    Candace Parker has a forehead fetish. I’ve been trying to grow mine so I have a chance with her.

  • http://www.alltexasforums.com rangerjohn (fedor is king)

    ok guys while acie was a nice college player, “most clutch”? um NO, and how is he a “crowd favorite” IN ATLANTA? a&m is 2000 miles away and 95% of al the people at a hawks game never saw a single game he played at texas a&m.

    he might be “the future” but it is not going to be in a couple yrs, and while he obviously can shoot and pass some, he has little defense which is his issue.

  • http://www.alltexasforums.com rangerjohn (fedor is king)

    oh and candice got a 1 gamer even though she was the person who started it all because she is the big draw, she is the “new face of the wnba” i mean if labron knocked someone down which inturn started a fight with everyone else and then didnt really do anything, he would be about the same. the nba and the wnba cant take their face out of the public view no mater what. they will say “she got suspended” no mater how long. the more she is on the court the better it is for the wnba and ticket sales/viewer ship.

    i mean hell she made it relevant for you guys too didnt she?

  • Dagomar

    “wnba cant take their face out of the public view no mater what.”

    First time I ever heard anyone say that, lol.

  • Skeeter McGee

    Good point someone on ESPN brought up yesterday that Taurasi got a 2-game suspension last year for some comments she made and now Parker gets only 1 game for actually being involved in a fight? Hmm, seems like double standards to me… Then again if I keep talking about this it’ll actually seem like I care about the WNBA, and don’t get it twisted cause I could care less haha.

    Man if I had the option of playing in the NBA for like $3-4 million a year or going overseas and making like $7-8 million a year, obviously I’m going overseas. Many people make it sound like players won’t go over there because there are so many things to adjust to. That might be true but the money and the chance to be “the man” like many of these guys were throughout high school and college is more enticing than wearing Jerry West on their jersey…

  • Dagomar

    And those things to adjust to in Europe include perfect cities, amazing culture, beautiful scenery and hot women, so . . . .

  • fiyaman

    everyone here is looking for reasons to hate on Candace.. If you were laying on the ground and so dude walk up to u and was standing over u in a threatening manner what would u do?

    Anyone who says nothing is a punk and deserves to get their ass kicked.. Pierson escalated the issue thats y she got the biggest suspn..

  • shake&bake

    I think anyone who votes “Yes” in today’s poll has to be from from Canada. Plus they have no chance without Dalembeast jk.

  • yoda

    im not 100% sure, but i think el-amin played for turk telecom, in turkey, last year, not ukraine.

  • don’t matter who I am just read punks!!

    Anybody who thinks that playin overseas mess is all it’s cracked up to be needs to read the blogs written by Gabe Muoneke on hoopshype.com he talks about life overseas and all the leagues that he’s played in. He said most of the time when he plays in the Euroleague his checks are short. So Childress could be in for a suprise when he get’s 6 million a year instead of near 10. LOL!!!

  • http://www.alltexasforums.com rangerjohn

    ok i dont know where everyone is getting 10 mil for josh childress, last i checked he signed a 3 yr 20 mill contract, which comes to 6.66666666666 mil per yr

  • Celts Fan

    @Rangerjohn, there are lots of reports that the initial deal that was reported (the one you mentioned) was well short of what it actually was, and it’s closer to $30M over 3 years.

    @post 20. EXACTLY. The one time I got over to Europe, I LOVED it. Beautiful areas, nice enough people (everyone’s nicer than the general population we have in Mass., Boston especially) and great “scenary.” I have heard the stories of teams being short with their checks overseas too, but you’d think any team with the pockets to think they can make an offer like that has the $$$ to pay their players. I’d think it’s more the lower tier teams that get into those problems, but that’s only an assumption…

    and I meant Acie’s a crowd favorite among the real hoops fans (I couldn’t care less about A&M, but it’s tough not to like that guy if you’ve seen him play) and will be given every possible chance to be the future at point there.

  • J-Dot

    The understanding I have is that Childress’ deal is 3 years, 20 million after taxes. Technically, assuming a 40% tax rate, that’s just over 33 million in total comp over the life of the contract.

    Shelden Williams got roasted earlier. Much appreciation for the ammo. Gonna use that at the bbq tomorrow!

    Also interesting that J-Kidd has enough consideration for Josh Childress to publicly acknowledge him as a catalyst for more impact players like himself in the NBA to more strongly consider overseas options. That serves as an added layer of validation to Childress’ presence as an NBA player, and that the rest of the league – just the media – has taken notice.

    Ranger, Acie Law is a good basketball player with a strong record of performance in college and a legit shot at consistent NBA minutes. It should come as no surprise to you that some people at Dime like him and are genuinely pulling for him. I mean, I could see it if they were harping someone more conventionally wack like Mark Blount, but Acie? Let the man get his love!

  • Diego

    The Childress 3-year, $30 million is a pre-tax number. The Greek team is to pay his taxes, so Childress will end up netting about $7 million/year. He also will get luxury accomodations, a maid, and a car and driver (not to mention a log of Greek honeys–who I think generally are hot (albeit a bit hairy)).

    Acie better do something this year; he didn’t do squat for the Hawks last year.

  • http://www.alltexasforums.com rangerjohn

    from espn “Agent Jim Tanner said Wednesday the three-year deal was worth about $20 million after taxes. The money is guaranteed, and Childress can opt out of the contract after each year.”

    maybe that makes him over or around 30 mil before taxes but his checks would be in tha ball park of 6.6 mil, which is barely more then what the hawks where offering (from same article)

    as for acie, i really have no issue with giving him love but damn almost every day?

  • Diego

    What the Hawks were willing to give Childress was pre-tax; you have to compare after-tax with after-tax, which the Atlanta Journal Constitution Hawks beat writer Sekou Smith explains results in Chill getting about double from the Greek squad (plus the other free perks provided by the Greek squad).

  • BxBaller

    @ post 8

    You’re right, when Steph said that about a year ago, dudes was clowning him, saying he was crazy. Now going over to Europe is a legit option now, even for players like JKidd. That my friends sounds like a double standard. But hey this is nothing new, people hate on Steph for no reason but give dudes like JKidd a pass.

    Oh and Acie Law will be the man down in ATL this season with Joe Cool. Bibby better watch his back, or he might be losing his minutes down there.

  • http://www.alltexasforums.com rangerjohn

    all this wnba talk, i have a question.
    i was looking at the SA team schedlue, why do they have an entire month off, they have a game july 25th, and 27th then the next game is not till aug 28th and 30th. then sept 5th…. ?

  • http://dimemag.com Austin Burton

    Olympics. So many WNBA players are involved, the whole league is taking a break until it’s over. If the MLB did that, you’d see major-league players playing baseball in the Olympics.

  • http://www.alltexasforums.com rangerjohn

    yeah your right, wasnt thinking about that, head is in the middle of payroll, better go check those checks lol dont want to over pay

  • http://www.alltexasforums.com rangerjohn

    dont you mean you would see all of the us olympic baseball team banned for roid use?

  • Joe

    The WNBA takes a month off so that some of their players can compete in the olympics

  • http://allthatjazzbasketball.blogspot.com/ Amar

    Almond has played 140 mins so far in the summer league. he’s scoring (19.4 ppg, 40+/80+/40+), but has 1 assist. That’s why jazz fans call Morris Almond by this nickname: Mobe.

  • doc

    Yall see Jason kidd said in 4 or 5 years.He will be washed the fucked up in NBA terms by then anyway.Dudes been going over there prolonging they careers for years.Im in this ball shit everybody that was okay and disapeared off the map been overseas.People acting like its a new trend or something.WTF did Josh Childress even do in the NBA to be starting a trend.I could see if he was Josh Smith.And I dont know about Acie Law being one of the most clutch ever.What he hit 2 buzzer beaters.And he choked in March Madness.Hes okay but he gotta step it up this year.And u know that was the 10 Toronto fans who picked USA gotta chance to lose.

  • doc

    Josh Childress didnt even start for the HAWKS right?

  • I`CouldBeYourFather

    Commenting on people hating on Steph M, if Marbury has played for the Mavs instead of Kidd, it would have been the same results…not taking away Kidd’s pass first mentality, but I thought Avery limited Kidd or Kidd didn’t know the offense…

    It’s the system….Kidd would thrive in a D’Antoni system..just as Nash did….

    Steph would thrive in the Mavs system….

    can anyone tell me…what was the knicks system?

  • nick

    no way brewer loses his starting 2g spot. sloan is all about defense so he will start no matter how bad is offense is compared to the guys coming off the bench behind him.

  • johnsacrimoni

    Don’t forget not only is Childress’s money tax-free, he also gets free housing, a car and driver, free cell phone, etc..so he will be pocketing most of that money.

  • Skeeter McGee

    The issue with players not getting paid on time is probably with the lower leagues and teams, whereas Childress is going to Olympiakos, a much more renowned team that will most likely give him what they said he would get (6.66 mil a year if its 3-year 20 mil.)

    And to the point about how they pay for your house car and cell phone and all that, I mean, don’t get me wrong I would love to play in the NBA, but let’s be honest about what most of the ballplayers’ income goes towards: houses and cars. So if I’m getting that already, I’m literally BANKING. Can’t blame Childress at all…

    What’s gotta be making owners and GMs around the league sweat is the fact that if a player (like a restricted FA) accepts the contract of a Euro team, then the NBA team he played for has no way of being able to match that offer since it’s not from another NBA team. Most people forget that draft picks are like investments for the future, and if your investment is just going to up and move, it leaves the team in a pretty sorry situation. So far Childress has been the biggest name to have this happen to him, but I compare this to the situaton the MLS is in. The MLS gets players that are considered washed up or not worthy of playing in Europe anymore, and they get paid and get a lot of hype. I bet soon that’s what’ll happen with the older guys in the NBA who are past their prime but could still get a fat paycheck overseas. I never thought that day would come, but it seems like it’s approaching rapidly…

  • http://www.alltexasforums.com rangerjohn (fedor is king)

    sorry but as long as childress is a us citizen and he spends more then 6 months here as his permanent residence, he has to pay taxes on what ever money he makes, then where ever he is living the rest of the time (ie where his check comes from) may have a tax he has to pay on his income also.

    he may inturn have to pay taxes 2 times on the contract. all depends on how it is set up and how his citizenship and time in country works. there are very few professions in the world that get “tax free” with the civilian contractors in iraq being one

  • Diego

    Childress’s pay technically is not tax free. Idea is that he basically is being grossed up. He is getting paid about $10 million a year or so, but he will take home 6-7 million $ in the end (after whatever applicable taxes).

  • Skeeter McGee

    Yeah all you guys are right. Apparently the figures we got about it being a 3-year 20 mil. deal was AFTER the taxes had been taken. That’s still better than the 6.5 mil he was offered by the Hawks BEFORE taxes were added into that equation.

    Rangerjohn, you are right I didn’t really know what I was talking about. At least he gets the house, car, maid service, cell phone, etc. haha

  • Skeeter McGee

    Oh and forgot to add this to my last post…

    The reason I think that more NBA players might head overseas is not solely due to Childress leaving, but also the fact that now I think more European teams will start offering contracts to NBA players. Honestly, how many contract offers from overseas do players in the NBA get when they are free agents? I’m gonna guess very few. Now, if clubs abroad think that they might have a legit chance to sign someone, maybe they will offer more money and better deals? Just a thought…

  • http://www.alltexasforums.com rangerjohn (fedor is king)

    the big thing for those nba players, while it is all about the money, the euro is worth what 1.5 times what the dollar is these days? so where clubs are paying 20 mil after taxes it is like paying 12-15 mil after taxes in euro. it is all in how you percieve the money to be. to a person in the usa 20 mil looks good, to a euro player it is nothing special but guys like childress are looking at that 20 mil which is still better then what he would get here (not that much better but he doesnt have to compete with others for his spot and playing time)

  • that’s whats up

    @ post 40.

    The Knicks system was called System of a Down.