NBA / Jul 31, 2008 / 3:35 pm
MJ: Me vs. Kobe in My Prime – “Not Even a Contest”
Yesterday Paul Pierce didn’t blink before telling the world that the best player in the world is not Kobe Bryant, but Paul Pierce. Today, a video is circulating of Jordan at a basketball camp talking with a bunch of teenagers – and when Kobe’s name comes up, Michael simply speaks the truth.
“Kobe would win because I’m older,” started MJ. “But in my prime? Not even a contest. Let’s just say I have a better chance of stopping him than him stopping me.”
This video is definitely worth six minutes of your time…
July 31st, 2008 at 3:38 pm
STR8BALLER says:
first
July 31st, 2008 at 3:41 pm
What is this!? says:
PREACH MJ!!!
July 31st, 2008 at 3:41 pm
DJ Go Go Gomez says:
He’s right. MJ was quicker and stronger than Kobe is.
July 31st, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Jim says:
I like how MJ even addressed the current match-up.
July 31st, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Tha Boddy says:
Yeah MJ would destroy Kobe…not even a contest like matching up Gilbert Arenas against Earl Boykins
July 31st, 2008 at 3:50 pm
qq says:
is it 2008 video?
July 31st, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Allan says:
Micheal had more bulk and added more muscle when he came out of retirement. I would say a toss up here really but Kobe is quicker and longer than Jordan
July 31st, 2008 at 3:51 pm
STR8BALLER says:
Kobe who? Dude is the G.O.A.T. for a reason. Kobe is just an imitator.
July 31st, 2008 at 3:53 pm
JA says:
Love near the end when MJ is torching 7th graders
July 31st, 2008 at 3:54 pm
fiyaman says:
umm no this was not worth 6mins of my time
July 31st, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Sho-Nuff says:
Any doubters go back and watch the “Come Fly With Me” DVD.
MJ was ridiculous.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:00 pm
JHov says:
His Airness just telling it like it is! Hey Dime how about posting the highlights from their 1st meeting in Chicago(I think it was Kobe’s rookie yr..maybe 2nd) where they were going toe-to-toe! I believe it was the game were KB got the breakway windmill that he almost killed himself on!
July 31st, 2008 at 4:02 pm
MoxWestCoastRep says:
Ok, I can respect MJ stance on this.
Unlike PP, mike has all the cred to back up a statement like that. Although I don’t necessarily agree, MJ is MJ.
Isn’t Kobe 2 inches taller? He’s longer and just as competitive.
Jordan was probably a little stronger and quicker, but I’d say even as far as shooting and finishing.
Its a toss up 2 me.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:09 pm
weezy f says:
i like the fact he didnt go easy on anyone the dude never missed!!
July 31st, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Dagomar says:
Kobe is listed at 6′6″. MJ was listed at 6′6″.
How exactly is Kobe better than MJ? Let’s not even talk about all of Jordan’s accolades, awards, championships. MJ’s game evolved with time, but he was invariably a MUCH more efficient scorer, a better rebounder, better passer and better defender. Kobe’s shooting range is better now than MJ’s was at any point prior to the end of his second threepeat, but that’s about it. And MJ was a much smarter player with better footwork – oh, and a far better team player once Pippin matured. AND, Jordan was better in the clutch and especially better in the playoffs. Way, way better.
The thing Kobe fans keep bringing up is Kobe’s 81 point game. What they forget is that A) MJ played with more difficult defense rules (hand checking) against FAR more dominant big men, B) Jordan rarely jacked up shots all game long, C) the Raptors then were an absolute JOKE and Mitchell barely changed his defenders throughout the game.
Frankly, I consider Kobe the second-best player in the league and a top-15 player in league history. But better than Mike? Come on.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Damon says:
yesterday I read a great article why MJ is just better.
kobe has the better range, you gotta give him that.
mj has the better postgame. but the difference is that mike adjusts to the defense whereas kobe just tries to do the same again and again.
I think skill wise its not that much of a difference, mike is just slightly better in most categories(except long range shooting),and reads the defense a lot better.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Justice says:
Jordan would win obviously,but i think it would be closer than mike may want us to believe…as competitive kobe is he doesn’t have anything on mike with hating to lose.if u take 93 jordan and put him on the lakers this year it’s no way boston comes back from 25 in that game.
kobe still has a ways to go..and mike used to inspire his teammates to raise their intesity level and want it like he did,kobe is my boy but he needs to work on that
July 31st, 2008 at 4:23 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Wow now this post will get 200+ comments.. im probably bout to post 5-10 myself lol..
You cant say nothing bout Jordans skills.. But you cant say nothin bout Kobes skills.. Jordan shot a higher percentage but Kobe has way more range.. Both can defend and make their assignment wet the bed.. both can pass and rebound with PG’s and C’s because of their competetive drive and god given talent..
BUT Jordan got six rings and what so many MVP’s that i cant even list em all.. shit even MVP in Vegas lol Kobe still has a ways to go.. he gots 4-5 more years at his level so lets see what happens..
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Yeah the defense MAN ON MAN was tougher but there are so many schemes, zones nowadays i think defensively its harder now.. just on a different level.. Kobe is the ultimate 1on1 players so who cares if people could hand check him?? he can elevate over for the J or cross him up and leap to the sky.. same for MJ.. one thing imagine these two in their primes playing each other.. shit even the late Jordan years when he played young Kobe were phat.. In their last meeting Kobe dropped 50+ and hit 8 threes i think..
But just so someone doesnt read this and think i am backiong Kobe let me say it – JORDAN WAS BETTER and the hardware proves it.. lets see if Kobe can earn his..
July 31st, 2008 at 4:23 pm
fiyaman says:
@Dagomar
I agree with everything u said except ‘Jordan rarely jacked up shots all game long’
Jordan jacked shots just as much as Kobe
July 31st, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Celts Fan says:
@Mox, both Kobe and MJ are 6′6″
Also, PP just grabbed a ring and Finals MVP (which makes 1 more FMVP than Kobe’s got.) He’s definitely wrong, but he just earned the cred to at least get the chance to say something that dumb and be laughed at by all of us. This wasn’t like Deshawn Stevenson calling out LeBron.
@The Boddy, Kobe’s a top 20 player all time, it wouldn’t be a beat-down, but yes, MJ would take it.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:29 pm
MoxWestCoastRep says:
I never said anything about the 81 pt game. If anything that just defends your point about Kobe’s range.
And MJ never played in the finals on a team that was far out-matched like the Lakers were, so saying he would never let Boston come back from 25 is just nonsense.
MJ may be the best right now, but Mamba is far from done and has yet to cement his place
July 31st, 2008 at 4:30 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Up to 10 by 1’s??
MJ 10 – KB 8
July 31st, 2008 at 4:37 pm
MoxWestCoastRep says:
MJ 11
KB 10
MJ wins in OT. lol
No Celts I agree w you its not like DeShawn but PP, but he just looks like dumbass for saying it. I would love to hear Kobe’s response. Off the record, ha ha.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Hugo says:
Just for the record, if Jordan played today, with the hand check rules, those poor defenses and today’s big men, he would have averaged almost 40 points. Jordan was just better in basically everything but range.
Come on, he never missed a shot in this video. This guy is just fantastic. I’m wondering why the mavs don’t give him a contract, do anything to bring him back. We have tried almost every veteran player, even Juwan freaking Howard. Give Jordan a contract, play him 20 min a game and he’ll average 15/3/4 and on the playoffs let’s him do his magic. I’m sure he could still play in the league and be a top30 player. If it wasn’t for his knees he would be top 15.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Lee says:
Any of you remember Chris Jackson (Mamood abdul raeoof (SP)) He was doing a camp with MJ and MJ asked him to play one on one. Chris Jackson killed him. MJ did this to prove a point, a good offensive player can alway beat a good defensive player one on one.
No one can say who would win, it would just come down to who had their game “on” on that day.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:09 pm
dapro says:
Mike is the better player hands down. He maximized his talent and his teammates and got the most out of it all.
Kobe is talented but no way he beats MJ in a series.
The post that said the Lakers were outmatched-WTF??
Mike played in an era where the rules allowed hand checking(most of his career) and physical play on and off the ball
The zone schemes of today are difficult to plan for but no way does Mike get shut down in the finals!
July 31st, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Yoooo says:
Damn this nigga Kobe can’t catch a break.
How was Jordan stronger? He was a better athlete, yes, but if you take I think it was 2001 or 2002 Kobe wen he was overly buff then he was infinitely stronger than MJ.
Skill wise its close but I give KB the edge. I feel he was a better ball handler and even though he does get away with some walks (just like MJ used to) his footwork is crazy.
Jordan never had a player to defer to who was 7 anything with talent. Much less the most dominant force to play the game. If MJ had played with a player of Shaqs caliber his stats wouldn’t be nearly the same, except for his FG%. Pts and boards would have been down. And assists could go either way.
As far as rings go its a different league, theres no way you can win a chip with just 2 great players anymore. There has to be a deeper talent pool on ur squad in order to win. And that’s not to say Jordan wouldn’t win today, but Winnington and the Australian cat aint cuttin it today. Randy Livingston, no sir. Ill say Jordans better cuz I don’t feel like hearing the backlash. But that aint how I really feel.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Big V says:
Ehhh….not sure how winning championships and MVPs really helps you in a 1-on-1 game. Try and separate the man from the myth and maybe you’ll see things a bit clearer. This is a competitive matchup anyway you slice it. I think Jordan was stronger, but I also think that Kobe’s a bit faster and is overall the better shooter. It might even come down to who gets the ball first. Bottom line: I see this going back and forth until you have to arbitrarily put and end to it. Take your pick. It’s a toss-up IMO.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:22 pm
GEE...hood watch! says:
Poor Kobe. First Shaq ask him how is a** taste and then Paul implies he is better than him. Now you got M.J. saying he would have took Kobe back when.
I hope he takes all this in the right way and uses it as motivation to be better. He got a lot of cats coming at him be it comical, directly or indirectly.
As of now I am glad he is not trying to be all on t.v. answering back and all. I just hope he does him.
Must be something to Kobe though cause he got a lot of cats throwin off on him. These ain’t lames either he got top notch dudes speakin on him.
I ain’t a Laker fan but I do like Kobe and appreciate the maturity I see him as he goes on. Just hope he continues on and doesn’t let the pressure get to him in the wrong way.
Can’t say who would win one on one. People wanna trip but Chris Jackson I think already beat Mike one on one. Of course some say Mike didn’t take dude serious to he was close to winning. Still Mike loss and Chris wasn’t close to what Kobe is now overall.
Still a one on one game I think it to up for grabs. I say it would be even (though I would want Kobe to win). Now a team game, by far Jordan.
Just hope Kobe stays smart and strong.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:26 pm
dank says:
Paul pierce should be thanking god that his fat bitch ass is alive. He should be sucking kevin mchales dick for giving up kg for nothing. Where has pierce been before this past year? Dont worry, I’ll wait for an answer. Fucking faggot, I’ll make it my business to end his life if he keeps running his bitch mouth like that. STOP THE HATE ON KOBE, WITHOUT HIM TEAM USA WOULD BE NOTHING! Where’s pierce on that team?
July 31st, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Kudabeen says:
The only thing Kobe has over MJ is range on his J?
Kobe has better handle, more offensive moves for all situations (he borrowed from MJ by the way).
I think it would be very close and Kobe would win more often then lose. MJs game is from a different era. Jordan wasn’t really locking a lot of the newer young guys in the league down on D in the mid to late 90s. That crossover thing was making him look old out there.
I think MJ was better player within the NBA structure for sure, but one on one is a different animal. Kobe has too much talent to just be second to MJ one on one. Kobe was making MJ and Pippen look old, but he was also still learning then…
Hell Grant Hill gave MJ and Pippen problems.
MJ saying that he would have had a better chance of stopping Kobe than Kobe stopping him seems to be more so out of a sense of seniority. He is used to looking at Kobe on the court as the young guy subject to veteran savvy. Kobe is much more cerebral now than he was even 3 years ago.
MJ at 27 vs Kobe at 27 would be great to watch. I can’t say either could really say no contest. In a 7 game series Kobe gets it 4-3…
July 31st, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Kudabeen says:
GEE
That is crazy…
Fact is the only other guy that gets that kind of attention as the 1# contender out there used just be MJ. Now you have these guys coming and MJ isn’t there to really test them.
Hope MJ doesn’t pull a Larry Holmes vs Tyson and try to come back and teach these youngins a lesson…
July 31st, 2008 at 5:39 pm
E$ says:
G.O.A.T. lol @ MJ not taking it ez on the kids
July 31st, 2008 at 5:45 pm
TCL says:
Is there a greater joy in life than watching professional ball players dunking on 8th graders?
July 31st, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Luigi says:
its really hard to project what would happne its like saying. who would dominate. Kareem or Wilt?. u cant really tell cuz Jordan n Kobe played in 2 different era’s. Kobe is kobe. Jordan is Jordan. i mean Jordan was so good that the Pistons made RULES after him. and Kobe is so good that hes dubbed the “new MJ”
But these are 2 diff players. n what makes them great is there ability to lead their own teams. Kobe came in the leauge when Jordan was going on his Retirement tour. and when he came back 2 WSH. Kobe was the BEST player in the league right there. this is like Larry vs Magic kuz u really didnt know who was btter. but Jordan did ALOT to the game and his clutchness and etc.
Kobe is still like 29. he’ll have 6-7 yrs. n when he retires in like 2013-2014. it would spark a debate between who was better. Kobe or MJ.
but personally MJ was better but Kobe is still right up there. its a close call
TOP 5 NBA PLAYERS OF ALL TIME
Jordan
Magic
Larry
Wilt
Kareem
Russell
Kobe
Oscar R.
West
Cousy
July 31st, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Luigi says:
top 10 is in my opiniona.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:54 pm
GEE...hood watch! says:
Kudabeen are you saying it’s crazy what I was saying as in that is ridiculous or that it’s crazy the summer Kobe is having at cats coming at him.
Just confused a lil lol.
I am just glad Kobe is young and so we still have even more time to see more exploits.
Just imagine if Kobe had KG and Allen and Paul had Lamar and Pau. Ok exactly.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Smooth says:
MoxWestCoastRep serious man are you a idiot jordan would whip the 08 celtics hes faced much greater teams & he wouldnt choke like kobe did in the game when they blew a 25 point lead in your heart you know mj wouldnt let that ever happen bulls would of won that game
July 31st, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Kudabeen says:
It’s crazy in that so many people are coming at Kobe.
If people are coming at you like this, then you certainly can’t be on the bottom…
July 31st, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Smooth says:
Luigi it isnt anything like larry bid or magic johnson, michael jordan is just flat out better than kobe bryant it aint no contest bruh kobe has never elevated his game in the playofffs like michael did not even close & i cant recall kobe ever having a dominate nba finals appearance ever
July 31st, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Smooth says:
Kudabeen ur a fool 2008 finals kobe played like complete shit he was terrible he hasnt ever had a dominate finals appearance, jordan would smash kobe in a 1on1 jordan has much better athletism was quicker stronger has a better post game all these factors would win mj the 1on1 everytime
July 31st, 2008 at 6:07 pm
GEE...hood watch! says:
aight I thought that is what you was saying just making sure. I completely agree though. Dude must have some alternative stuff going on in the hearts of these cats for them to spend even a lil of they summer freestlyin and commentin on him.
LOL mind you all he did was get MVP of the L, lose against Boston and get ready for the olympics.
The more people dog dude the more he goes up in my book.
Seriously though, aside from LeBron and that is due to just his freakish size, I honestly don’t see anyone wanting any parts of Kobe fa real one on one.
July 31st, 2008 at 6:11 pm
GEE...hood watch! says:
Then again it’s 1 on 1 though and anyone can have an awesome day where shots are falling. Now in a 7 game series of 1 on 1 well that might give who the better person is.
Still just 1 game of 1 on 1 it’s often up for grabs.
Again I think it would be even, but I would want Kobe to win.
Imagine them cats on the same squad though.
Speakin of that DIME we should compose what the ultimate all time Dream Team would look like from players of all eras.
That would be crazy.
July 31st, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Smooth says:
well kobe wouldnt be on the all time dream teams starting lineup thats michael spot shooting guard baby
July 31st, 2008 at 6:17 pm
What is this!? says:
In the words of Charles Barkeley:
“The only thing Kobe has in commen with MJ is that they are both BLACK”.
…Nuff said. LOL!!
July 31st, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Smooth says:
nba finals 2008 recap : kobe didnt play like the MVP at all he completly sucked i like kobe 1 of my favourite players real talk he was terrible in the finals he has never had a dominate finals apperance not once bro,
July 31st, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Kevin K says:
all the people talking about different eras… jordan dominated @ bird-magic era, he dominated in his era, and even at 38-40 years old he was dominating them youngins when he was with the wizards.
all these people talking about kobe > jordan never watched jordan in his prime. yea their skill set is very similar and they even have similar built but jordan and his team would have never falter on a 20 ppt lead in the nba finals. ask shaq or AI who played in jordan era and the current era, who would be the better player.
July 31st, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Charlie says:
I think 1 on 1 it’s tough to give either guy a huge edge because have that killer attitude but Jordan is definitely better at running a team
July 31st, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Bron42 had springs before slamball says:
That ones easy. It would be jordan… Key word to the statement IN HIS PRIME. So sayin young kobe and grant hill were giving them problems is garbage simply because they were gettin old then. Iverson gave jordan the business for a second, does that mean in his prime jordan couldn’t slow iverson down? Jordan has jacked shots but never to the point kobe has, jordan has never fallen off the map in a finals, handchecking rules changed everything. Look who jordan went against, magic?bird? hell could you imagin kobe tryin to go against the bad boy pistons? he couldnt even handle the cetltics playin tough and settled for jumpers. Imagine if he drove and rodman just hockey checked him. Jordan had to deal with all that shit, hence “jordan rules”. Now days its a shooters league. People can’t touch you, so u can just sit back and jack 3’s all day or go down the lane with no contact. 70% of the guys now days wouldnt have cut it back them. Jordan was mvp/champ in a tougher era. I said it before and I’ll say it again, i love how going into the finals EVERYONE was sayin how the lakers were the better team, the celtics had no chance, kobe wouldnt let them lose etc..but when the lakers get spanked its suddenly “oh no one had experince” or “the celtis had a superior team” grow some nuts, your boy choked in his golden i’m better than jordan moment. It went from “the only people on teh celtics with finals experience are posey and cassel” to “the lakers had no chance since their team was overmatched” please…jordan takes it.
July 31st, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Smooth says:
Kevin K i agree 110% with you bruh i couldnt of said it better myself
July 31st, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Bron42 had springs before slamball says:
remember when “old” mj put 40+ on the nets, and then pinned ron mercer on teh glass with two hands? are we all really arguin this?
July 31st, 2008 at 6:32 pm
doc says:
@Mox Mike would never let that 25 point shit happen in the finals I dont give a dam if he was playing the dream team minus him.And fuck a 1 on 1.Kobe not fucking with Mike in any way yall slice it.And it wasnt no debate between who better Magic or Larry either.Magic 5 rings Larry 3 rings and they both had squads.Magic is better.
July 31st, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Smooth says:
Bron42 yeah!!!! man thats real talk
July 31st, 2008 at 6:35 pm
doc says:
Ai crossed Mike a couple of times but they never won a game and Mike put up his 30 plus.Aint no young dudes give Mike no problems.He won the fucking chip every year in the late 90’s what was yall watching.
July 31st, 2008 at 6:36 pm
doc says:
Before he quit.
July 31st, 2008 at 6:39 pm
MoxWestCoastRep says:
Smooth the Lakers got completely dominated mostly because of Ray Allen and Pierce hitting big shots and a great swarming D.
Kobe didn’t play like shit, go back and watch the games.
You’ll see next year w bynum who the man is.
Now get off MJs nutz and don’t act like you know for sure who is better in their prime cause its all theory.
No one will ever know
July 31st, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Smooth says:
come on man you 4 real mj lite up some of the most dominate defenses of alltime the 92 knicks & the bad boy pistons the 08 cletics defense is a bunch of pussys compared 2 the defense mike faced, you need 2 get off kobes nutz& stop being so blind you know he played like shit in the finals name when nba finals apperance were kobe dominated ??????
July 31st, 2008 at 6:42 pm
GEE...hood watch! says:
Is domination winning championships or just scoring a lot and having a great overall game? Cause like for the first 5 years Jordan didn’t get any championships I am pretty sure.
Just wondering?
I really remember them years Detroit was beating Jordan up lol I was all about the Bad Boys.
Jordan never got any championships with the Wizards either. So domination must mean scoring a lot of points and having a great overall game.
“all these people” might be on to something of Kobe having a chance at beating Jordan 1 on 1.
Hey food for thought I wonder how Jordan would have done at the Rucker, or did he play at the Rucker ever and it just never got told or I missed it. I would love to see a young Jordan during this day and age. Dude would still be filthy.
July 31st, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Smooth says:
mike dropped 51 points on the new jersey nets at 40 years old & that team was ranked the best defensive team no.1 in the league
July 31st, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Smooth says:
MoxWestCoastRep been sucking kobes dick for so long hes turned blind & wasnt able 2 watch teh 2008 nba finals
July 31st, 2008 at 6:45 pm
asmaticasiatic says:
Mike’s a legend,probably the greatest of all time but in a one on one situation I think it would be even. MJ might be stronger and had that fade away but in my opinion Kobe has a better handle and overall offensive game including shooting range. Mike’s a better defender and stronger,but athleticism is probably even…basically it depends on who drives and posts up more instead of settling for jumpers…
July 31st, 2008 at 6:53 pm
GEE...hood watch! says:
MoxWestCoastRep I agree no one will ever know and it’s all if’s and theory, so can’t nobody say for sure.
Granted Mike was the bomb. Cats be actin like dude ain’t never had a bad game or lost. Just as Kobe and a bunch of other players Jordan has lost, had horrible games, jacked shots, got scored on, lost in playoffs and more. Sure he probably didn’t have a lot of bad moments as other players but it ain’t like dude hasn’t been beat and can’t be beating.
Therefore if anyone got a great chance at beating M.J. for what it’s worth I most def. ride with Kobe. Saying Kobe could possibly beat M.J. don’t take away from money’s greatness and don’t really add to Kobe’s cause it’s 1 on 1.
I ain’t the best baller at all and have beaten some cats I know for a fact was better than me 1 on 1.
I don’t care if Jordan said if he was in his prime, if he was at Carolina, on the playground, or whatever it’s very possible for dude to get beat 1 on 1 and for that matter it’s already happened (let the excuses of MJ wasn’t really trying hard begin).
So yea it’s up for debate and very plausible. Dude (M.J.)is the greatest as it stands currently to most but he ain’t invincible.
July 31st, 2008 at 7:16 pm
GEE...hood watch! says:
Reminds me of the time a young Shaq brought up challenging The Dream to a 1 on 1 on ppv. If I am correct The Dream and crew had already done Shaq’s team (Orlando at the time I think) up in way to a championship.
And I am a biiiiig Dream fan, but again 1 on 1 sure a Young Shaq then possibly may have gotten him. Not in a team game though at that time. 1 on 1 anything can happen.
We would all love a time machine and money to make this ish happen right lol? Till then we have to create Money on 2k8 and have him and Kobe go and let the computer decide lol.
July 31st, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Kevin K says:
Gee hood watch – why does jordan not playing rucker even be an argument huh??? smush parker plays in those and he dominates. so you saying smush > mj since smush plays at rucker… SMUSH PARKER NA MEAN? Oh yea wizards didnt win the championship and even didnt make the playoffs, but he was playing with guys like KWAME BROWN, JAHIDI WHITE, and TYRONE LUE as the other starters… enough said…
moxwestcoastrep – what nba finals were you watching?? yea ray and pp hit some bigshots but so did posey and house… it was KG (he’s a fucking stud) who was the most dominant. stats don’t do justice for the impact he made. he completely shut down gasoft and anyone else that came inside… And KObe did play like shit except for game 3… you were probably one of those millions of people who was waiting for that “MJ MOMENT” from kobe, but of course it never happened because MJ > KOBE NA MEAN?
Of course ANYONE who plays in the NBA could beat MJ in a 1v1… MJ is not a GOD and he could be off, or his opponent could be on fire BUT i will take MJ anyday over kobe.
July 31st, 2008 at 7:32 pm
TJ says:
“As far as rings go its a different league, theres no way you can win a chip with just 2 great players anymore. There has to be a deeper talent pool on ur squad in order to win.”
Ridiculous, the league is watered down compared to back in the day. Talent is more spread out since there are more teams. Look at the Pistons back in the day. Isiah, Dumars, Laimbeer, Rodman, Vinnie Johnson, Dantley/Aguirre. That is a nasty, deep team.
July 31st, 2008 at 7:34 pm
MoxWestCoastRep says:
Its just a rediculous argument…
Is Magic better than Oscar Robertson?
Is Kareem better than Wilt?
Is MJ better than Kobe?
No one will ever know for sure….I dont claim to know that Kobe would be better than MJ in his prime all i’m saying is Kobe is the best player in the world right now and ball players only get better over time- the competion goes up the athleticism goes up etc.
And to the point that if MJ was on the Lakers they would have won the finals is BS.
The Celtics were a far better team with THREE HOFers so try again.
If Kobe was on the Bulls in the 90s they would have been just as good IMO.
But who knows!
And who’s your team Smooth?
Are you a bulls fan? Or do you just band wagon on whoever wins?
July 31st, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Smooth says:
im from new york so im a knicks fan my favourite player is dwyane wade
July 31st, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Smooth says:
i have many favourite players so its hard 2 pick just 1 but i go with wade because he has 1 heck of an oldschool type of game
July 31st, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Smooth says:
michael jordan is my favourite player of alltime
July 31st, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Smooth says:
if kobe was on the 90’s bulls they wouldnt have won 6 championships thats for sure, kobes impact hasnt been like mikes kobe barely shoots 44 fg % from the field while mike was up around 50 fg % his whole career & had season shooting over 50 fg % so each kobe possesion is nowhere near as valuable as each mj possesion kobe misses more that half his shots, then playoff time michael stats are amzing increasing even more while kobe on teh otherhand has crap playoff averages & tehy actually lower from his season averages
July 31st, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Smooth says:
jordan was on the 08 lakers team they would be the 2008 nba champions no way could that celtics team stop mj that defense is weak compared 2 some of teh etam defenses mj has faced in the playoffs
July 31st, 2008 at 8:00 pm
MoxWestCoastRep says:
Favourite?
Do you live in England now?
Favorite.
and does ‘teh’ mean ‘the’ in your world?
Slow down and think before you type my friend.
MJ never won anything without Pippen- A top 50 all-time player.
Last time I checked no one on the Lakers even made the all-star team other than Kobe.
FACE!
July 31st, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Smooth says:
pau gasol is an all star, jordan made pippen who he is, jordan didnt win with pippen aswell bro the reason the bulls started winning was because jordan finally got it he finally relised what it took 2 win joe dumars summed when jordan finnaly beat the bad boys once jordan relised how to get all his teamates involved & still drop 30 points a game thats when i relised we were in trouble ever since then jordan was winning campionships his team teams had barely any talent he had weak supporting casts but lead them 2 championships anyway
July 31st, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Smooth says:
nah man i live in brooklyn i was just typing 2 quickly
July 31st, 2008 at 8:20 pm
MoxWestCoastRep says:
An MJ fan in Brooklyn.
That takes guts! lol
Alright man, its all good. MJ is the best.
July 31st, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Smooth says:
yo MJ was born in brooklyn so most people here give him a pass for what he did 2 the knicks everytime they met in the playoffs
July 31st, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Smooth says:
lol
July 31st, 2008 at 8:50 pm
GEE... Hood Watch! says:
Kevin K you wrote: why does jordan not playing rucker even be an argument huh???
I am thinking you meant how can Jordan not playing in or at the Rucker even be in an argument?
If so, you need to go back and check my comments pimpin. I wasn’t using MJ not playing or playin at the Rucker as part of any argument. I was just wondering if he ever has and what it would be like if he did.
So naw Smush ain’t better than MJ and I never said or implied such. So I don’t even know where you comin from with all that.
As far as money’s time with the Wizards yea he had a wack squad I ain’t denying that (I see you left Rip off yo list lol). I was trying to see what people were saying was “domination”. Cause sure Jordan has always scored and been able to score but he hasn’t always had just years of championships no matter where he has been and his every year in the L. So yes money as an individual is or was dominant but with the Wizards and Bulls at times they struggled.
You can have MJ over Kobe dude that is cool I ain’t gonna cry lol. Simply just trying to get clarity and wonder 1. and 2. Just saying sure as an individual dominant but not always with his squads.
aight then holla.
July 31st, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Dave says:
LOL at 15-yr olds who never saw prime Jordan giving Kobe any chance at all. They are on completely different levels. I give Kobe his props, but he’s thoroughly outclassed by Mike.
Of course, he has plenty of company. Only Wilt and Kareem even belong in the argument as the GOAT.
July 31st, 2008 at 9:48 pm
K Dizzle says:
Is it safe to come in?
Why all these dudes hatin on Kobe like he did some shit to they sisters? lol
If you sayin Mike woulda crushed Kobe in a game of one-on-one EVERYTIME, you need to check tapes.
There’s tapes and tapes of dudes gettin Mike once in a while. I seen Rolando Blackman get Mike. Shoot, they were callin Gerald Wilkins the Jordan stopper cuz he caught Mike once. They been sayin Joe D “shut down” Mike cuz he made him work hard sometimes. Too many examples. Some o you twistin the facts. The issue wasn’t how many championships, MVPs, all-star games – none of that. It was 2 dudes in their prime, one ball, empty gym, who’d take it. To say Mike is takin Kobe’s lunch money everytime is just luda. If they played to 11, game by 2 and Kobe or Mike won it 12-10, would anyone really be surprised? Stop hatin on dude cuz he ain’t Mike. 20 years from now, yo kids gonna be tellin you how some young buck could crush Kobe one on one and you gonna have to evaluate the individual skills. Basketball is an evolution game. Baylor watched Oscar, Julius watched Baylor, Mike watched Julius and Kobe watched Mike. They took pieces of their games and added their own touch. At the age of 30, Mike had just won his first chip and was just scrapin his prime so why heads judgin Kobe when he just copped his first MVP and just played in his 5TH Finals at the age of 29? torn finger, no big man, no help. Stop hatin and try to appreciate
July 31st, 2008 at 9:50 pm
Yoooo says:
Yo 2 out of 3 of thoe guys u named that Jordan played with on the Wizards Kobe dragged to the playoffs. Not Lue so much cuz they had a squad, but u get the idea.
MJ sputtered out of the playoffs his first couple of years too bruh so knock it off. And the 2 years the Lakers got bounced from the playoffs by the Suns, Kobes squad was BY FAR the worst group of talent assembled on a playoff team. Its hard to win with a bunch of losers. Just like its hard to lose with a bunch of winners.
The handcheck rule was around since Jordan picked a ball up. He was used to it when he got in the league, there was never an adjustment period. Nobody ever played zone in the NBA. That was a total defensive advantage Kobe and the other great players of today had to deal with. All you can do is play with the circumstances the commish gives you. Whether its a new ball, raised rims or zone defenses. I give Jordan his due. He is clearly still, for right now, the best player ever to play. But don’t discredit my main man Kobe like he’s some bum ass nigga.
Who was Kobes #2 man supposed to be this year? Who can create there own offense besides him? He is responsible for a lot on offense and he sets the defensive tne on D. Don’t give me that Jordan will lock u up nonsense either. Cuz when it cam down to somebody on the bulls guarding the other teams best player that responsibility landed in the Lap of another top 20 players Scottie Pippen. And for anyone to say Jordan made pippen, I can tell ur some young whippersnapper still using 1 ply toilet paper just cuz its cheaper. Check Mr Pippens bio w/o Jordan. MVP type season. I believe he ended up being top 5 in voting that year. Gasol is a countrymen all star. Meaning he got voted in cuz his nation was on nba.com voting for him…
July 31st, 2008 at 9:52 pm
GEE... Hood Watch! says:
K-Dizzle well said, very well said.
July 31st, 2008 at 10:01 pm
AY says:
i just remember mj being a much more consistent defender than kobe is; there are short durations where kobe is as good a defender as it gets, but he never sustains it because he has to spend so much energy on offense. We won’t ever know, but I personally think that there is a significant difference in the amount of effort each person puts towards playing consistently great defense.
July 31st, 2008 at 10:54 pm
HeadKicker B says:
Being a long time NBA fan I can actually say that I’ve seen both play Kobe and MJ play (live) in their prime. Kobe is a phenomenal player but if you asked any coach or player thats played with/against both who they would choose if they could pick one for their team they would undoubtedly pick MJ. He is a killer. There were several years when Jordan was in his prime fans and teams across the league KNEW they could not win a championship. It was over before the season even started. Kobe is in his prime now(The Celtics werent overly impressed). The only reason that people are saying Kobe is better is because they are a fantical Laker fans and are trying to convince themselves that Kobe is the sh_t or youngsters spouting off opinions about sh-t they don’t know anything about.
July 31st, 2008 at 10:58 pm
BALLZ says:
That 6 minute video was the happiest I’ve been watching hoops since MJ left the Wiz, lol.
July 31st, 2008 at 11:04 pm
florida_evans says:
You against me?No contest-my tongue hydraulics
strong enough to flip a ‘64 impala-Canibus
July 31st, 2008 at 11:38 pm
LakeShow84 says:
OK no one has the balls to say it so i will.. MothaFluck Michael Jordan..
July 31st, 2008 at 11:39 pm
LakeShow84 says:
lol juuusssstttt kidddin Dime.. Dont ban me…
July 31st, 2008 at 11:41 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Bill Russell would stomp out MJ and Kobe..
August 1st, 2008 at 12:03 am
duff says:
awesome.
The greatest player ever schooling kids on the basketball court.
impressive.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:08 am
K.i.n.G. says:
First: i must bring up a few things that were totally WRONG by some people
1. pau was not in the all-star starting lineup therefore the votes did not matter. he was voted in by the coaches
2.8 out of 10 espn analysis picked the lakers over boston (most in 6). so for those people who thought the lakers were over matched you can see that the PROFESSIONALS didn’t think so
3. dominance is winning games not scoring a lot. mj’s best seasons scoring wise he didnt win.
4. kobe was getting 1 on 1 coverage. if it wasnt paul it was ray or james. he only got doubled when he got into the paint or inside 15 feet like every one should.
in the end mj. would beat kobe handily. most of you are forgetting that mj was the defensive player of the year. you claim kobe has a better offensive moves but when it come down to it he would be able to use most of them, he’d be smothered. 1 on 1 is mostly about the defense and conditioning which michael wins both ways. in the end michael would win because he was also mentally tougher.
Lastly:
BRON42
SMOOTH
BRON42
SMOOTH
these guys know whats good
August 1st, 2008 at 12:16 am
LakeShow84 says:
King, Bron42, and Smooth are the same person
August 1st, 2008 at 12:16 am
Bruce says:
MJ all day, any day. You pick the day too.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:00 am
KNOCKS says:
MJ can still kick your ass.
Yo Dime, you right: That shit was DEFINITELY worth my time. Thanks for posting that.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:14 am
GarethChantler says:
Jim:
“I like how MJ even addressed the current match-up.”
Its not even close. All the Kobe has more range talk is a joke, Kobe jacks from 3, it hurts him just as much. He jacks the 3 whether he’s hot or not. When he’s hot he looks like a spectacular player. All those people who say Jordan jacked in his youth: you’re right, and he shot over 50% from the field, for his career. Think about that. He shot higher in his younger days. The rules were harder on scorers then, but you don’t need to state this as if Jordan played in a bygone era. Just check the tapes.
Really, its not close. Jordan was the best defensive and offensive player at his position, by a lot.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:47 am
GEE... Hood Watch! says:
LOL I think it would be like when Rocky and Apollo Creed I think got in the ring at the end of the movie. Both dudes proceed to straight tag each other at the same time. It was smooth how they did that too by the way.
I think you would see so much of a mirror if they went at it one on one. In the end it would probably be something weird that happens that causes one to take the L.
Like the ball bouncing akwardly off Jordan’s foot or Kobe trying to dunk to hard and it bouncing out. Not telling.
I’d love an era match up. I don’t know when you would divide it persay but it would be tight.
Have all Jordan prime era dudes with Money in front walkin to center court, then flash to Kobe with all his prime era dudes behind him. A coin flips in the air by a good ref (sorry tim and Joey lol) deciding who gets first ball.
I wonder who Mj would pick and who Kobe would pick. Of course I think MJ’s team would win, but it still would be a game to watch.
Anyway it’s late and I am rambling. Still 1 on 1 it’s anybody’s game. You can say Jordan is this and that all day but he still can get got and same with Kobe.
I think you just have to hope that whatever weird event happens to give the other the advantage falls in your guys favor.
I think something weird happens where Money loses the ball somehow and Kobe capitalizes and gets it.
Dang the world may never know.
Lastly:
K Dizzle
Kudabeen
K Dizzle
Kudabeen
These guys know what’s really good.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:14 am
Simon says:
I’m not saying Michael Jordan is Michael Jackson, but did MJ just abuse children?
August 1st, 2008 at 5:53 am
Damon says:
lol, smooth, mj scored 51 against the nets when he was with the wizards? pleeease check it before you try to discuss.
August 1st, 2008 at 9:28 am
karizmatic says:
Love Mike. You reach I teach.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:26 am
doc says:
@Gee if u think K Dizz know what he talking about on this step your game up.That nigga said Mike won his 1rst chip at 30.He won 3 and was hitting baseballs by then.And how Baylor watch Oscar when he came first.This a b-ball site we gonna know when u talking bullshit just to validate your points.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:31 am
khameleon outta DC says:
lets not get caught up in accolades (MVP’s, rings etc.)…rebounding or steals…none of that matters in a one on one…Either u on D or u trying to score…now look @ their games…MJ ain’t bussin Kobe’s ass…hell nah…its def. a toss up
August 1st, 2008 at 11:39 am
HUH!!!! says:
no one is CLOSE to mike end this argument KOBE is a beast 2nd or 3rd best perimeter player ever (take ur pick between him and Bird) no one else is CLOSE. Kobe and Mike would battle like hell and prolly never stop playing. Mike and Kobe would each win games because they are the best players ever to play on the planet. Mike is an arrogant guy, he is also humble in the same breath, but any player of that caliber that would say they couldn’t beat the other is just putting on for Camera’s. Bird would have said the same thing. Magic the same. Lebron the same. Let’s be real guys. No way Mike just dominates Kobe (atleast not every game) after so many games these guys would figure each other out and be playing to win by two all day.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:51 am
doc says:
But 1on1 they could play 100 times and Kobe might win 49.But he is not fucking with Mike in real B-Ball aka 5 on 5.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:56 am
Jon Doe says:
Very nice…MJ
August 1st, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Big V says:
100 biotches……
August 1st, 2008 at 5:10 pm
Kudabeen says:
Jordan vs Kobe 1 on 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pj-DG9MDVk
August 3rd, 2008 at 8:02 pm
jr says:
m.j. is a. god & Iverson is the anti-jordan he is like the superman that wore all black….all hale the real elite scores of nba history…wilt(from-philly) A.I.(played in-philly) kobe(from-philly)&M.J. the best of the best.
August 6th, 2008 at 1:29 am
BO says:
KOBE is a better scorer than jordan anytime…..JOrdan is just a better leader…. Kobe and JOrdan can do anything they want on the court, but If it comes down to it. Kobe is only 29 if by 35 he has three more rings i bet we all will be talking a different tune, about KOBE….he is not JOrdan , but he shore is positioning himself as the closest person alive to surpass jordan…Lebron needs to wins something then we can talk about him tooo, but lebron has something neither one of them has and thats the magic johnson ability to pass the jordan/kobe ability to score and the pippen abilty to rebound. if lebron ever wins anything he will be up there to and guess whats hes only 23…so all u jordan fans their will be someone better sooner than later but today JORDAN is still KING!
December 14th, 2008 at 12:31 am
SargZ says:
listen! I say MJ is better than KOBE. Their first game as a ROOKIE. MJ scored 16 points while KOBE was scoreless in 6 minutes. Lebron is sick 25 points in 42 minutes.