Andre Iguodala gets $80 Million, Team USA gets another W, and Houston has another problem
A.I.2 Photo. Kelly TursoIt’s actually frustrating to see how much better the Sixers are being run in the post-Allen Iverson era than while they had A.I. in his prime and perfectly able to lead them to a title. Yesterday Philly stepped up and secured the second big piece of their new foundation, agreeing to a six-year, $80 million deal with Andre Iguodala. Where was this kind of front-office competency and efficiency two or three years ago? The Sixers needed a scoring big man this summer, so they went out and got Elton Brand. They needed athletes during A.I.’s tenure, and since then they’ve drafted guys like Thaddeus Young, Jason Smith and Marreese Speights. And now they needed a legit #2 scorer and perimeter defender — not to mention a second-tier star who doesn’t feel second-tier — and they got it by re-upping with Iguodala for a ton of money. Too much money? Iguodala should be getting paid more than Emeka Okafor and Luol Deng, but $75 million wouldn’t have been a bad number … Previewing Team USA vs. Angola in yesterday morning’s Smack, we mentioned a few things the Americans needed to work on, not just for the Angola game but moving forward in the tournament: getting Carmelo off to a good start, and seeing that Dwight Howard established himself as a presence inside. Mission accomplished. ‘Melo (12 pts, 6 rebs) converted a three-point play and got a breakaway dunk within the first few possessions, and Dwight (14 pts, 6-for-6 FG’s) had stretches where he looked like Moses Malone on Creatine. Did you see the play where Jason Kidd fed The Centaur with an entry pass after one of Angola’s defenders had fallen under Dwight’s feet? What do you think was going through that guy’s mind when Dwight caught the ball and turned to the basket? … One thing we also said needed to be addressed that didn’t go so well? Kobe’s outside shooting. He was 4-for-13 from the floor yesterday, 0-for-8 from three, and all of those makes may have come on breakaways and layups. Some of the Kobe loyalists are blaming his shooting woes on the shorter international three-point line (that’s a new one), but since he’s taking a lot of his treys from 4-5 feet behind that line anyway, we don’t see how that’s a factor … Team USA won an unusually close game, 97-76, against an Angolan team that was clearly overmatched but never stopped hustling and didn’t give up despite their coach’s words. Did you see where he not only told the media but admitted he told his own team that their goal was to lose by less than 40? This ain’t 1992 anymore, dude. It’s OK to not be in awe … Red flags: Team USA shot 5-for-21 beyond the arc, and were out-rebounded (38-34) by a team whose center is about 6-8 and PF is about 6-5 … Funny moment when Angola’s Felizardo Ambrosio stuffed Deron Williams at the rim and started bumping his gums at Deron, then on the very next play graciously stepped out of the way when Dwight came barreling in for a dunk. A few minutes later Ambrosio got his shot sent to South Guangdong by LeBron (12 pts) and was never heard from again … D-Wade again led the U.S. with 19 points. His hair is growing back, too. If you didn’t hear, Wade wasn’t planning on doing the MJ thing and going bald for long; he was just worried about having to get a haircut in China, so he had his guy shave him before he left. That way he won’t wind up looking like Rasheed Wallace by the time the gold medal game rolls around … Doug Collins’ suggestion that Dwight develop a Tim Duncan-esque bank shot from the angle was well-intentioned — and Dwight would be unstoppable if he had that in his repertoire — but how many big men over the last decade have wanted to do the same thing and been unable to? It’s not that easy … When Collins joked that Angola was “my kind of team” after Mike Breen mentioned that more than 60 percent of their shots were taken beyond the arc, do you think the Chicago Bulls front office shared a little sigh of relief? … We’re loving how NBC brought back the “NBA on NBC” John Tesh track … Which was better: LeBron’s tomahawk alley-oop he caught on Yi Jianlian’s neck the other day, or the right-to-left switching hands dunk he pulled off against Angola? … Speaking of Yi, he continues to make the Bucks look dumb for drafting him (especially considering he didn’t want to go there and they could’ve taken Al Thornton, Rodney Stuckey, Brandan Wright or Thad Young instead) and the Nets look dumber for trading a borderline All-Star for him. Yi was a non-factor in China’s heartbreaking loss to Spain, fading into the background while teammates Liu Wei, Zu Fangyu and even Wang ZhiZhi carried the offensive load alongside Yao. Defensively Yi was a liability — him being unable to guard Pau Gasol forced China’s coach to stick with Yao on Gasol despite Yao’s foul trouble, and Gasol proceeded to foul him out. China led by 14 going into the fourth quarter, but completely fell apart and eventually lost by 10 in overtime … Continuing our trek into the Dime archives for a better look at Team USA, we revisited Carlos Boozer’s August ‘07 feature in Issue #35. Coming off Utah’s Western Conference Finals loss to the Spurs, Booz talked about bouncing back that summer and addressed the Cavaliers controversy … And looking ahead, the new issue of Dime (#43) hits stores this week. Kobe graces the cover of our Olympic Issue. Preview it HERE and pick one up next time you’re out … In Tuesday’s other hoop games, Argentina beat Australia behind Manu Ginobili’s 21 points and seven dimes, Lithuania beat Iran, Croatia beat Russia, and Greece beat Germany … We caught a feature on Michael Phelps where they were talking about his 10,000-calories-a-day diet, going to all his favorite restaurants in his town and having them break down Phelps’ usual order. Interesting stuff. Can we request a similar feature on Baby Shaq? … Rafer Alston is in the news for the wrong reasons again. Arrested last week for DUI, Skip’s court date is set for Thursday, where he’ll face misdemeanor charges. If the “incidents” keep piling up, how long before the Rockets start looking to turn Skip’s job over to Aaron Brooks? … And since it looks like ‘08 draft pick Goran Dragic is staying in Europe this year, the Suns need to get a backup PG. Should they take a chance on Shaun Livingston, or an older guy like Damon Stoudamire? What about someone like Chris Quinn (safe but not that talented) or Smush Parker (talented but a wild card)? They could give D.J. Strawberry some more minutes at the one — just do anything to make sure Steve Nash isn’t runing out of gas come April … We’re out like Ambrosio …
August 13th, 2008 at 6:23 am
Luigi says:
umm phoenix SHUD take Shaun..i think he’d be a good fit…[learning from Nash n havin STAT]
Team USA is teasin us right now…WE KNOW THEY COULD RUN UP THE SCORE…they’re just nice n lettin the other team kinda make it respectable..
winnin by 30 to china….
winnin by 21 to angola?…
i just hope theyre just conserving up energy when they play the powerhouse countries of the world…..
i was watching the China.Spain game…Yi sucked….haha i guess hes the 2nd coming of Wang Zhi-Zhi [remember him?] but except he cant shooot.
i think hes overhyped too much n will be gone from the league in 4 years.
oh n Iggy. he got overpaid man. same wit Okafor n Deng..if the bulls pay ben as much as they did deng..theyll disrupt Derricks growth…and Philly theyll be VERY improved this year. but Dre at SG?…theyll sag off him like they do Rondo.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:32 am
Gordon Gund says:
Carlos Boozer sucks…
August 13th, 2008 at 6:44 am
solomon says:
shaun to PHX is too good to be true… him learning the ropes from nash is a dream scenario… he don’t need to put too much pressure (read: use hops) on his knees playing nash-like…
we’re out like whatever’s left of yi’s cred…
August 13th, 2008 at 6:46 am
sans says:
It’s gotta be the right to left dunk….
August 13th, 2008 at 6:47 am
dj ho says:
does anyone know where i can get video of USA v angola (and not the 1992) game
August 13th, 2008 at 6:48 am
AB_40 says:
uhm wang zhi-zhi played in that game and untill the final stretch was on fire. the whole chinese team went cold.
If everybody is overpaid? Then no one is overpaid.
Damn Rafer Alston… too bad he’s the best houston can get. He’s a good point guard don’t get me wrong but he’s got a bad record with the police hehe. Ron Artest will straighten him out ah hahahahaha.
Phoenix needs to sign livingston and a veteran so they can let him be the 3rd point guard. And when are boris diaw en leandro barbosa gonna be traded?
August 13th, 2008 at 7:04 am
shake&bake says:
Livingston would be fun to watch with Phoenix, assuming he is healthy and can stay healthy (big assumption).
I didn’t get to see the Angola game and tried finding video of the LeBron dunk online but couldn’t. Anyone know where I can find it?
August 13th, 2008 at 7:11 am
YOUNGFED says:
Can someone explain how in the heck does Iggy Dollars get more money than Josh Smith. Boh guys are play about the same but Josh is alot better.
QUOTE OF THE DAY:
“I’m ya favorite rappers, favorite rapper. Plus I stay fresh-ta-death, so they call me dapper” -YOUNGFED
August 13th, 2008 at 7:37 am
Andy says:
Skip 2 My Booze
August 13th, 2008 at 7:46 am
josh says:
J Smoove got screwed.
Dime: suggestion..I like your Mag but when i get to the last page i feel a little empty just finishing with some pics of shoes…i just think that some kind of last page article is needed..maybe a feature on travelling ballers from around the globe, i’m sure these blokes have some intereting stories to tell that have not been heard before. I played with some real interesting imports here in Australia from all kinds of backgrounds (extremes of not being able to spell his own name to a qualified psychologist) i know i would be intersted in hearing these stories. Anyway just my thoughts.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:59 am
patrick says:
I hope the suns don’t sign shaun. I loved what his game was starting to look like with the clips before he got hurt, but a huge injury risk is not gonna cut down steve’s minutes. they just need someone to bring the ball up and dump it down to stat and shaq. We traded marion its worth it to see if the experiment can work with the strengths of two big men.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:16 am
Celts Fan says:
@Fed & Josh, Smooth got kinda screwed, but $11.6M per is still a good amount for a guy who’s kinda a tweener (do you want him at the 4 in a fast-paced system or the 3 in a slower one?) that can’t shoot at all. He’ll still be in his early prime when this deal’s done and can get paid more then. Iggy can do a little of everything and isn’t that far behind Josh on the defensive end. (remember too, Iggy’s deal is for 6 years, Josh’s only 5, so it’s $11.6M per for Josh vs. $13.33M per for Iggy. Not a huge difference.)
August 13th, 2008 at 8:28 am
rangerjohn (McCain in '08) says:
rafer is just getting ready for artest to arive, he knos with that nut job on the team he is gonna need a drink a bit more often.
i been saying all summer (and last yr at the deadline) they need to get rid of rafer and get a real point guard, the artest deal is nice and all (tallent wise) but do they really need 8 guys between 6′6 and 6′10? i mean brooks is going to have to fight “the franchise” for all of about 15 games for a back up role to alston, then stevie is going down again! alston will continue to jack up stupid shots and try to go all “getto” on other teams right along with artest.
houston will make the playoffs and good news for tracy they will get past the 2nd round but no farther!
August 13th, 2008 at 8:28 am
David Lopez says:
First Dime says that the Angola belived that they could beat the USA. If there goal was to lost by less than 40 then theres no way that they belived they could beat the US. And now Dime is saying that the US won a close game. Since when was beating a team by 21 close? The US was up by 30 at the end of 3 quarters. Up by 30 with 3:35 left in the game and up by 28 with 1:58 left in the game. The US was blowing out Angola until there was 1:58 left the game. Then Angola outscored the US 9-2 for the rest of the game which is why the US only won by 21.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:31 am
Austin Burton says:
Josh didn’t have to sign that offer sheet, either.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:33 am
Austin Burton says:
@David Lopez — Angola’s coach said his goal was to lose by less than 40. Angola’s players didn’t play that way. 21 points was closer than a lot of people predicted. Hence, surprisingly close.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:47 am
YOUNGFED says:
If he didn’t have to sign that offer sheet, why would he. I think he felt he wouldn’t have gotten more money elsewhere.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:48 am
Steve Nash says:
Josh who cares about your Australian ball. The Boomers are terrible.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Celts Fan says:
Exactly AB! There was no reason not to though at this point (though had he waited a few days and seen what Iguodala got, he probably woulda held off,) he obviously sees big picture. Sign it and make sure you’re set for life (god help him if he blows out a knee or something over the summer working out before signing) and go for the max next time around, when he’s only like 27. He’s still in a great position to end up making $150-$200 mil by the time he retires. While he’s gonna make $1.7M per less than Iggy, he just became rich beyond his wildest dreams. I’m sure he’s still ecstatic, even if there is a bit of regret for not waiting a few days to leverage Iguodala’s deal for more $$$.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Steve Nash says:
Whats the bet your a big white stiff just like Bogut
August 13th, 2008 at 8:55 am
Logan Light says:
@YOUNGFED… Come on fam, that quote didn’t even make sense… “They both play the same, but J Smoov is a lot better.”
Huh? If they both play the same…
Anyway, both of LeBron’s dunks were sick, but I still loved when he ate dudes lunch yesterday. Gotta be the best play on the defensive side in a bit.
@DIME - you know, it does feel a little odd that the Sixers seem so bent on success these days when a couple of years ago you would never see them break off another player like Iggy. Not that they didn’t want too, but maybe because AI was the MAN and didn’t allow another guy in his spotlight. And I don’t mean that as a slight on AI. He was the Sixers like Favre was the Packers. It’s hard to have 2 guys in that spot.
LL
August 13th, 2008 at 8:59 am
Celts Fan says:
Come on Nash, Bogut’s actually pretty good (just operating in the HUGE shadow cast by the 3 and 4 picks of that draft.) He’s probably more like Jon Koncak.
@Youngfed, I’m sure Atlanta’s steadfast assertion that they’re matching any offer for Josh didn’t help. The only way a team probably figured they’d get him was to throw too much $$$ at him (Josh is nice, I expected $13-$14M, but he’s not a max guy yet, gotta work on that J. If the “attitude” is gone, it can’t hurt - and going from 22 to 27 will do wonders for that, I think it’s a non-issue, but some teams may not.)
August 13th, 2008 at 9:16 am
Steve Nash says:
Yeah… Bogut = Jon Koncak ….I like that comparison
August 13th, 2008 at 9:17 am
Young Lebron 23 says:
It may be too much money but Iggy gets it now the Sixers can make a run at a title for the next couple of years.
LOL about the Wade piece
August 13th, 2008 at 9:18 am
Steve Nash says:
Why isn’t Redd gettin more court time? At least he can knock down the 3 ball. Who cares about Kobe’s ego?
August 13th, 2008 at 9:26 am
YOUNGFED says:
@Post#21
Don’t really understand why that didn’t make sense to you but I quess i’ll have to break it down. Both guys have SIMILAR styles of play.
@Celts
Smith can shoot the ball bro. So you shouldn’t say he has no shot.
TOP 5 CARBON COPIES (aka Game Skilled Twins)
1.) Jordan/Kobe(aka K-HOVA)
2.) CP3/D-Will
3.) Iggy Dollars/J-Smoove
4.) Bird/Dirk
5.) Joe Dumars/Rodney Stuckey
The list was ranked by player similarity not overall skill. If you can do better HOLLA!
August 13th, 2008 at 9:39 am
shake&bake says:
Anyone know if the Germany vs. Spain game will be on tv tonight?
@ Youngfed - I like the Stuckey/Dumars comparison.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:41 am
au61458 says:
Ahh, Creece tomorrow. Enjoy guys. So it begins.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:46 am
schoops says:
Why didn’t the Sixers say they would match any offer for Iggy? That would have brought down his value (cuz teams wouldn’t go after him, knowing they’d lose him) and then they wouldn’t over pay. Dude is nasty but he’s a second fiddle kinda guy and shouldn’t have gotten that much money.
Smush Parker and “talented” were just used in the same sentence. In related news hell is a chill -3.
Kobe may hurt team USA more than he helps. I agree with “steve nash”… where is Redd?
August 13th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Celts Fan says:
@Nash, I meant dude you were clowning on was probably like Jon Koncak. Bogut’s better than that…
@Youngfed, Josh Smith can’t shoot. His percentage may be relatively high since he mostly dunks, but if you honestly trust his 15-20 footer, I think you’re giving him too much faith. He’s similar to Rajon Rondo in that they both came in with a J so broke, that the work they’ve done to improve it to “below average” makes it seem like they can shoot, but there’s still a lot of work to do for both in that area.
A few things I disagree w/ on your comparisons. here’s how I’d compare them:
Deron/Chauncey
CP3/Zeke (when the only people he harassed were opposing PGs)
Iggy/Pippen
JSmooth/Marion/AK47
Bird and Dirk is way off to me too. Bird played the 3 and was more fluid and a better rebounder than Dirk. He was also a pretty solid TEAM defender (awful on-ball, but good in the team concept, remember, Bird played the 3 but guarded opposing 4s.) Both of their games are so unique, I don’t think there’s ever been a guy comparable to either, that’s what makes/made them so good and such a complete nightmare for opposing players and coaches.
Stuckey/Dumars is pretty dead-on though. No wonder you guys love him so much (besides the obvious fact that he’s damn good.) A new-age Joe D…
August 13th, 2008 at 9:50 am
schoops says:
Just read this, but maybe Iggy won’t get that $80 mil.
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53978/20080813/gm_on_iguodala_no_deal_yet/
Maybe they’re just finalizing shit. Or maybe there are still negotiations…
August 13th, 2008 at 9:56 am
the_baconator says:
I wanna see a feature breaking down Eddy Curry’s meals.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:28 am
that's whats up says:
@ post 32. That feature would have to be refreshed every half hour or so. That’s a lot of work to keep up with the E-City Summer Buffet.
…and you’d think Team USA could book one extra room and plane ticket for a team barber. Fresh cuts before every other game shouldn’t be a big deal.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:28 am
Dennis Castro says:
Celts, no way he sees that much money. Remember, because of their salary, they get taxed at a much higher bracket than us “normies”(Family Guy, what up!).
So in actuality, he might gross 11.6M this year, but I’m guessing he nets somewhere between 7-8M.
Sixers are back, playas! We should be contending every year for the next 3-4 years. Just like how it should be.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Celts Fan says:
@Dennis, it’s probably closer to only like 55% (so like $6.5 per) of what the contract says, but it’s the same way for guys making the max too. And if you’re taking home $32.5M over 5 years, you’re still set for life if you don’t have a Bentley fetish (or a drug problem.) that’s completely ignoring the huge deal he’s likely to get in 5 years afterwards.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:49 am
YOUNGFED says:
CHECK THIS OUT K-HOVA THINKS HE’S A MODEL….BWAAAHAHAHHHHH!!!!!
http://www.mediatakeout.com/2008/25828-kobe_bryant_takes_some_modeling_pics__and_while_you_hate_the_man__youre_gonna_love_these_pics.html
@Celts
Dude can shoot. Also how can you say they’re (Dirk/Bird) not similar. When both shoot great, slash, clutch, handle, and play good D. Come On
August 13th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Spliff 2 My Lou says:
Practice makes perfect. There’s no excuse for Dwight or any pro player for that matter to not be able to perfect the side bank shot. Much like there’s no excuse for a pro baller not shooting at least 80% from the free throw line.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:10 am
the kid says:
u.s. will shoot better from 3 come the tougher opponents and come the medal round. i call that ish right now
August 13th, 2008 at 11:15 am
that's whats up says:
YOUNGFED, you scare us all with your K-Hova infatuation.
I hope you’re not carrying his next child already - lol
and those kobe pics look strange, with his MJ “Thriller” contact lenses
August 13th, 2008 at 11:18 am
TDot 4 Life says:
Melo is a black hole and is the worst defensive player on the team…he does rebound well, but not an elite player that everyone makes him out to be
August 13th, 2008 at 11:29 am
YOUNGFED says:
When you put up 80pts in 3 quarters people might respect your game as much as his. lol
August 13th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Celts Fan says:
@Youngfed, how is Dirk a great slasher? How did either have a great handle? and play good D? Both were pretty bad, especially on-ball. also, Larry = very clutch, Dirk not so much. Dirk has that post fadeaway, Larry let McHale and the Chief put in work on the block and only ventured in for a layup or runner.
The only similarities they have are that they’re 2 of the best shooters the game’s ever seen. Beyond that, I just don’t see it.
and btw, Kobe put up 60 in 3 quarters, 81 in a full game. If you can’t even get your man-crush’s stats right, how can you argue w/ me about Larry Legend?
August 13th, 2008 at 11:57 am
Kudabeen says:
IT’s funny that so many people are trying to take dollars out of Iguodala’s pocket like he is Brian Cardinal, Dalembert, or other guys who either don’t work or haven’t proven to have the talent to be relied upon. Dre I WORKS. He got better every year. Throughout the season he won his match-ups, improved his mid-range J, was one of the best play making wins on a team that didn’t have scorers, and didn’t sit out two weeks for a twisted ankle or jammed finger…
Yeah $72-75 would seem to make more sense, but this is a guy that WORKS. I feel a lot better about this type of investment than giving a timid Rashard Lewis $118 mil…
I don’t understand…
Is 20ppg, 5+rpg, 5+apg 2+spg, durability, and defensive accountability worth $13mil a year on a playoff team? HELL YEA…
The only issue we should have with the Sixers is the murmurs that Andre Miller may not be totally happy and looking for a deal soon…Sixers still need a bruiser outside of reggie evans that has some size…
August 13th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
YOUNGFED says:
Yall need to stop it w/that gay shit. Yall act like I can’t have a favorite player. Plus I don’t say shit when you be dik ridin’ KG and Pierce, Celts. WTF
And If you don’t think that Dirk/Bird don’t go hard to the rack check their freethrow stats. Plus I never said they had great handle I said good, thats why their turnover ratio is so low.
Plus I don’t think he even played the 4th quarter of that game. I could be wrong since I’m not some stat jocking computer geek.
August 13th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
YOUNGFED says:
BTW the way I was making fun of the pics not jocking them so how is that a man-crush/infatuation. Geessshhh….SMDH
August 13th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Celts Fan says:
just kidding Fed. don’t be so sensative. He didn’t play the 4th quarter of the game he dropped 61, he played the entire game he dropped 81. If he had 81 through 3, don’t you think he’s staying out there going for Wilt? I don’t think you coulda got Kobe off the court for the 4th if he was within 19 of Wilt w/ a quarter to go (and anyone that’d try should be fired immediately.)
and I didn’t say they don’t go hard to the rack, just that neither is really a slasher. I think their games are different, but both so unique you’re trying to reach for someone to compare them too. You obviously don’t think so, agree to disagree, cuz we’re not gonna agree on this one…
and you say plenty when I’m hyping up my personal man-crush, Rajon Rondo. It happens, all in good fun…
August 13th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
ejay225 says:
K-Hova??? man that’s whack… get off his nuts
August 13th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
YOUNGFED says:
@post#47
Shut yo BitchAss Up!!!
August 13th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Celts Fan says:
see, I don’t say that stuff Fed!
August 13th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
doc says:
@Schoops-Kobe not hurting that team,Have you even seen somebody score on him yet.Respect the Doberman.Good for Iggy now he better win some fucking ballgames or the boos is coming.Its a lot of pressure in Philly when you get a big money deal.We aint trying to hear that young shit no more.And it was hard to get a team around AI because nobody wanted to play with him.As good as he is and I know dudes on here idolize him,that dude hard to play with.He used to hold the ball about 18 seconds then either pass or shoot.Then would miss half the practices so the players couldnt get used his flow.Thats why only players we ever got was from trades.Free Agents wasnt going for that shit.@Celts I wouldnt say Dirk has no clutchness in him.Ive seen plenty buzzer beaters and even though they lost to Miami he still put numbers up and took the Spurs out game 7 at San An.I know you remember that and 1 down 3 with seconds left,then the daggers he threw in OT.If that aint clutch what is.Bird got his ass whipped in playoff series too.Not saying Bird aint the baddest white boy ever just saying Dirk got some clutchness up in him,just not more than Wade that year.But what do you want he went there once in a MVP year so he did the same shit as Sir Charles and all he get is greatest PF ever talk like Duncan and Malone didnt bust his ass faithfully in the spring.Not to mention KG might have to be in that 2nd spot now because he got his chip.
August 13th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Baller ryan says:
dirk is no where near bird. Bird= 3 point champ, 5+ assists per, champion. Dirk = choke artist
August 13th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Celts Fan says:
Didn’t say Dirk isn’t clutch at all, he’s made his fair share of big plays in the regular season, but he missed too many late-game FTs (remembering he shot over 90%) that series for me to say he is clutch.
All time best 4s (since Doc brought it up.)
1. Timmy (this is not arguable.)
2. Malone (dude was a HUGE choke artist, but #3 didn’t exactly run ish in the clutch, so, on the strength of his #s, I’ll give him the slight edge now.)
3. KG (he’s top 40 all time in 5 categories - points, boards, dimes, blocks, and steals - which is insane to me. By the time he retires, he almost definitely jumps up to #2 on my list based on that, but right now, slight edge to everyone’s favorite pedophile. I always thought 13′d getcha 20.)
August 13th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Austin Burton says:
I’d go with Duncan, Barkley, Malone and Garnett.
August 13th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Celts Fan says:
I could see that AB, I’d've had Charles #4 personally, but couldn’t think of a #5 that I felt strongly about being #5 (maybe McHale, felt like I was forgetting someone though,) so I just kept it top 3. After Duncan, you could mix and match the next 3 and not be wrong one way or another IMO…
August 13th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
doc says:
1.Duncan 2.KG the kid-He earned it this year.Barkley and Malone was good on O but they would not have shut down Kobe and Bron.3.Malone on the strength that every fucking game I sat and watched between him and Barkley he would just destroy Chuck.4.Chuck just because he earned it.5.I give it to Mcale or however the fuck you spell his name.
August 13th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
doc says:
Baddest White boy ever.1.Larry Legend-Since we got Chinese AI’s now Im calling him the White Magic Johnson. 2.Johnny Stock-Top 5 points ever.3.Dirk-Make way for the German gunslinger.4.Manu-He just does his thing.5.Chris Mullin-Never won shit in the NBA but was good enough to get that dream team spot.And he earned his it wasnt no Laettner shit.
August 13th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
schoops says:
@ doc… pistol pete maravich doesn’t make the cut? Dude could score in bunches and had a sick handle. A few others who I think push for top 5…
-steve nash… yeah, two mvps and made the PG spot so important in the new millenium.
-mark price… money on those early 90s cleveland teams and made free throws look as easy as breathing.
-Bill walton… i refuse to say anything good about him due to the fact that for a few years I had to watch nba games on mute when he was announcing.
-detlef schrempf… not top 5 but honorable mention. One of the first euro players you did not fu*k with.
August 13th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
doc says:
@schoops-Yeah I forgot about the Pistol my bad.But I would have to see more of his shit because Mullin was tough.Pistol was the shit but his teams always stunk so I dont know if he had horrible teams or he was on some White Choclate shit-just good for highlights.In college I know he averaged 40 something but then I would be throwing dudes in there like Laettner because in college he was a big Larry Bird.
August 13th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
doc says:
@schoops-Yeah I forgot about the Pistol my bad.But I would have to see more of his shit because Mullin was tough.Pistol was the shit but his teams always stunk so I dont know if he had horrible teams or he was on some White Choclate shit-just good for highlights.In college I know he averaged 40 something but then I would be throwing dudes in there like Laettner because in college he was a big Larry Bird.I guess I can put Mash over Mullin but I liked Mullin.Nash wouldnt have no mVPs if he played in the 80’s.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
GEE...Burn baby burn like Lisa Lopez...poor Rison. says:
Sigh… I so wish Houston would have gotten a better pg. I like Alston and all but I just feel there are much better floor generals out there that can do what he does and create their own shot and be consistent.
LOL we always doing top 5 what about a most horrible 5 lol. Who were the worst players to ever get any tick lol. That would be some funny ish.
Baddest white boys has to include Kevin Mc. don’t it?
August 13th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
What is this!? says:
Man I agree with Dime 100%. I also find it very odd that the Sixers are trying to make all these moves now all of a sudden once Iverson left. The Owner Ed Snider and Iverson did not get along, he sat back and watched Billy King make all those crazy trades and moves and then waited for Iverson to demand a trade (because the backlash would have been much stronger by the fans if the Sixers would have traded him without his permission), he outed AI on national television to decrease his value and then waited for Iverson to leave to fire Billy King. He used Billy King as a scapegoat to get Iverson out of there. Thats what I think. Man Iverson was bamboozled!!
@ Logan,
The Sixers made a trade for Chris Webber who at that time was making more money then Iverson, which was a mistake because it really tied the Sixers hands. It wasn’t about Iverson not wanting to share the spotlight, its HIS town, its HIS team. So therefor, he was the star. Its no different then the Lakers paying another player big money that plays next to Kobe…its still Kobes team and Kobe is still the #1 star, noone is going to come on his team and take the spotlight from him, especially a player thats not better then him. Iggy is a number #2 option at best, nothing more..nothing less. The guy does not have it in him to be “the man” which is why the SIxers went out and got Elton Brand in hopes that they could share that spot. Wether or not he is overpaid is very debatable…but I am not going to knock Iggys hustle. And considering that Iverson had love for Iggy, who’s to say that Iggy still wouldn’t get his pay day on playing next to Iverson? I don’t know, the Sixers organization is just starting to look real suspect with that Iverson situation.
August 14th, 2008 at 1:01 am
Steve Nash says:
@ celts fan, the dude I was clownin on was actulaly my mate. I was trying to get a bite. He actually can flat out play. Yeah and I do agree Bogut is alright…I don’t think he’ll ever be all-star though
August 14th, 2008 at 1:33 am
Ta!ented says:
Omg thas alotta money, how much was Lebron talkin bout goin 2 greece for again?