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		<title>By: rangerjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>rangerjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>see here is the problem, you say if someone scores 30 in the 1st half or in the second, and his team wins then its all the same. sure it is, but in the context of the conversation (dirk being a &quot;clutch&quot; player or not soft)those stats dont make any sense. if a player scores 30 in the 1st half and his team is still in a possition to lose at the end and the same person is not able to take the team on his back to win the game then he would not be clutch he would be soft. but then dirk is considered soft because he lets people punk him, he has zero defense, just like his best frind steve nash. if dirk where in there blocking shots, taking charges, if dirk didnt let david west put his hands all over his face and then run off to the corner to hide, if he didnt let bruce bowen who is what 4-5 inches shorter and 40 lbs lighter guard him with relative ease, or steven jackson, he MIGHT not have that stigma. and he is not the only 7&#039;er who plays his game, look at okur, they play the same game but okur defends and he damn sure isnt getting punked buy some of those guys. 

you can love dirk all you like, doesnt mater to me, IMO (along with 90% of the nba fans in the world) think he is soft, and anti-clutch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>see here is the problem, you say if someone scores 30 in the 1st half or in the second, and his team wins then its all the same. sure it is, but in the context of the conversation (dirk being a &#8220;clutch&#8221; player or not soft)those stats dont make any sense. if a player scores 30 in the 1st half and his team is still in a possition to lose at the end and the same person is not able to take the team on his back to win the game then he would not be clutch he would be soft. but then dirk is considered soft because he lets people punk him, he has zero defense, just like his best frind steve nash. if dirk where in there blocking shots, taking charges, if dirk didnt let david west put his hands all over his face and then run off to the corner to hide, if he didnt let bruce bowen who is what 4-5 inches shorter and 40 lbs lighter guard him with relative ease, or steven jackson, he MIGHT not have that stigma. and he is not the only 7&#8242;er who plays his game, look at okur, they play the same game but okur defends and he damn sure isnt getting punked buy some of those guys. </p>
<p>you can love dirk all you like, doesnt mater to me, IMO (along with 90% of the nba fans in the world) think he is soft, and anti-clutch</p>
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		<title>By: rkraicek</title>
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		<dc:creator>rkraicek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i didn&#039;t say that YOU are a racist.  you might not be able to read all that great, but i didn&#039;t say that you were a racist.

i said that there must be some random reasons people don&#039;t like him, because he does everything the same as other elite players, but there&#039;s a negative perception.  if you didn&#039;t feel like looking up xenophobia, here ya go - it means i don&#039;t think people like him because he&#039;s from a different country.  a european country, to be exact.  and we all know that european players are ALL soft, right?  i also said it might be because he has a different style.  dunking wasn&#039;t accepted right away, and it appears that 7 footers that can shoot aren&#039;t easily accepted either.  i also said that maybe it was because he wasn&#039;t smooth.  if he could glide to the rim, people would like him better.  but, just like manu, because his shots aren&#039;t really graceful and enjoyable to watch, maybe they should count for less than 2 points.

no, my math DOES work, it&#039;s just that you can&#039;t add.  let&#039;s see.  KD scores 30 in the first half, which leads to a final score of 100-99.  Chauncey scores 30 in the second half, which leads to the same score.  if both of their teams win, it DOESN&#039;T MATTER WHEN THEY SCORED.  if KD scored so many points that the game was out of reach for the opponent, who cares if he bricked every shot in the second half?  i swear clutch is the most retarded stat in the world, but regardless, it gets played up.  i would love to have some program on nba.com that gave me the info on &quot;clutch&quot;.

yea, i am bitter.  wade won that series.  he played very well, but no one abused DIRK - the refs abused the mavs.  it&#039;s a series well known for its controversy, so go kick rocks.

and yea, that warriors series was sick.  it sucks that when dirk got doubled every time down the floor, his other teammates couldn&#039;t seem to throw the ball into the ocean.  when your center is 7 feet and he can&#039;t abuse the other team&#039;s much smaller center who happens to be doubling someone else, you tell me what the real problem is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i didn&#8217;t say that YOU are a racist.  you might not be able to read all that great, but i didn&#8217;t say that you were a racist.</p>
<p>i said that there must be some random reasons people don&#8217;t like him, because he does everything the same as other elite players, but there&#8217;s a negative perception.  if you didn&#8217;t feel like looking up xenophobia, here ya go &#8211; it means i don&#8217;t think people like him because he&#8217;s from a different country.  a european country, to be exact.  and we all know that european players are ALL soft, right?  i also said it might be because he has a different style.  dunking wasn&#8217;t accepted right away, and it appears that 7 footers that can shoot aren&#8217;t easily accepted either.  i also said that maybe it was because he wasn&#8217;t smooth.  if he could glide to the rim, people would like him better.  but, just like manu, because his shots aren&#8217;t really graceful and enjoyable to watch, maybe they should count for less than 2 points.</p>
<p>no, my math DOES work, it&#8217;s just that you can&#8217;t add.  let&#8217;s see.  KD scores 30 in the first half, which leads to a final score of 100-99.  Chauncey scores 30 in the second half, which leads to the same score.  if both of their teams win, it DOESN&#8217;T MATTER WHEN THEY SCORED.  if KD scored so many points that the game was out of reach for the opponent, who cares if he bricked every shot in the second half?  i swear clutch is the most retarded stat in the world, but regardless, it gets played up.  i would love to have some program on nba.com that gave me the info on &#8220;clutch&#8221;.</p>
<p>yea, i am bitter.  wade won that series.  he played very well, but no one abused DIRK &#8211; the refs abused the mavs.  it&#8217;s a series well known for its controversy, so go kick rocks.</p>
<p>and yea, that warriors series was sick.  it sucks that when dirk got doubled every time down the floor, his other teammates couldn&#8217;t seem to throw the ball into the ocean.  when your center is 7 feet and he can&#8217;t abuse the other team&#8217;s much smaller center who happens to be doubling someone else, you tell me what the real problem is.</p>
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		<title>By: rangerjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>rangerjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>see this is where you are so off, racism? so i dont like dirk because he is white? hmmm so i am a racist against white people now? man i hate white people so much i must hate myself cause while dirk is whiter then i am but thats because i have let my legs see the sun. 

see &quot;mr big shot does it again&quot; because he makes htose shots when it counts. so lets see, kevin durant is a &quot;clutch player&quot; because he can score? see your math doesnt work. puting up points is one thing, doing it when it counts is clutch. putting up big numbers has nothing to do with clutch, UNLESS it comes with the game on the line. when your team is down by 2  with 3.2 left and dirk takes the ball to the rack for the 2 points then he might lose some of that stigma.

a BS series lmao bitter MUCH? and the warriors punked dirk, bruce bowen punks dirk, david west punked dirk. the reason nobody who agrees with me can remember those games, because dirk is so not clutch that he is just not memorable. everyone remembers those series because it was so unfair how abused dirk got.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>see this is where you are so off, racism? so i dont like dirk because he is white? hmmm so i am a racist against white people now? man i hate white people so much i must hate myself cause while dirk is whiter then i am but thats because i have let my legs see the sun. </p>
<p>see &#8220;mr big shot does it again&#8221; because he makes htose shots when it counts. so lets see, kevin durant is a &#8220;clutch player&#8221; because he can score? see your math doesnt work. puting up points is one thing, doing it when it counts is clutch. putting up big numbers has nothing to do with clutch, UNLESS it comes with the game on the line. when your team is down by 2  with 3.2 left and dirk takes the ball to the rack for the 2 points then he might lose some of that stigma.</p>
<p>a BS series lmao bitter MUCH? and the warriors punked dirk, bruce bowen punks dirk, david west punked dirk. the reason nobody who agrees with me can remember those games, because dirk is so not clutch that he is just not memorable. everyone remembers those series because it was so unfair how abused dirk got.</p>
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		<title>By: rkraicek</title>
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		<dc:creator>rkraicek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...but if the game is out of reach because of how many points you&#039;ve scored in the first half, that&#039;s even better.  Point is, when Chauncey hits a big shot, it&#039;s &quot;Mr. Big Shot strikes again!&quot;  When Dirk plays well down the stretch, it&#039;s an aberration.

It&#039;s ok, it&#039;s the NBA.  It&#039;s all about perception.  In a league where 100 point games are the average and no one REALLY plays defense all the time, it&#039;s really just about who you SEE not playing defense.  Example:  Chris Paul lights up everyone.  But against Steve Nash, he scores an extra 4 points above his average.  So automatically, if you saw the game, Nash is the worst defensive PG in the League.  Because of 4 poitns.  Or whatever it works out to be.  Bottom line, I know that you don&#039;t like Dirk, because &quot;he&#039;s soft,&quot; &quot;he&#039;s not clutch&quot;, &quot;he doesn&#039;t play defense&quot;, or whatever other reason you make up, because you saw his TEAM lose to Dwyane Wade&#039;s in a BS series in 06.  And then the Warriors series in 07.

And really, that&#039;s the only set of games you can come up with where he wasn&#039;t clutch.  MANY MANY MANY?!  Ok.  If you say so.  You&#039;re the only one who remembers, I guess, because no one else that agrees with you will ever put up a game where he wasn&#039;t, either.

I don&#039;t know why people make this stuff up - I assume it&#039;s xenophobia, racism, afraid of new style, or because he&#039;s not smooth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;but if the game is out of reach because of how many points you&#8217;ve scored in the first half, that&#8217;s even better.  Point is, when Chauncey hits a big shot, it&#8217;s &#8220;Mr. Big Shot strikes again!&#8221;  When Dirk plays well down the stretch, it&#8217;s an aberration.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s ok, it&#8217;s the NBA.  It&#8217;s all about perception.  In a league where 100 point games are the average and no one REALLY plays defense all the time, it&#8217;s really just about who you SEE not playing defense.  Example:  Chris Paul lights up everyone.  But against Steve Nash, he scores an extra 4 points above his average.  So automatically, if you saw the game, Nash is the worst defensive PG in the League.  Because of 4 poitns.  Or whatever it works out to be.  Bottom line, I know that you don&#8217;t like Dirk, because &#8220;he&#8217;s soft,&#8221; &#8220;he&#8217;s not clutch&#8221;, &#8220;he doesn&#8217;t play defense&#8221;, or whatever other reason you make up, because you saw his TEAM lose to Dwyane Wade&#8217;s in a BS series in 06.  And then the Warriors series in 07.</p>
<p>And really, that&#8217;s the only set of games you can come up with where he wasn&#8217;t clutch.  MANY MANY MANY?!  Ok.  If you say so.  You&#8217;re the only one who remembers, I guess, because no one else that agrees with you will ever put up a game where he wasn&#8217;t, either.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why people make this stuff up &#8211; I assume it&#8217;s xenophobia, racism, afraid of new style, or because he&#8217;s not smooth.</p>
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		<title>By: baron von faulk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baron von faulk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dirk and pau gasol should get in a slapfight, it would be like 2 baby ducks paddling after each other</description>
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		<title>By: rangerjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>rangerjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@rkraicek 

your right, one series or one game does not make someone unclutch (if that is a word) BUT in the case of dirk, he has had MANY MANY MANY more &quot;none clutch&quot; games then he has had clutch games. if someone scores 25 points in the 1st half, and the game is still down to the wire and that same person cant score at all, or doesnt take the initiative to &quot;lead&quot; or take over and the team loses or someone else on the team has to consistently take over the game then would that same person be &quot;clutch&quot; because of his 25 points? no, he might be a good scorer, but putting up numbers is one thing, putting up numbers when the game is on the line is totally different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rkraicek </p>
<p>your right, one series or one game does not make someone unclutch (if that is a word) BUT in the case of dirk, he has had MANY MANY MANY more &#8220;none clutch&#8221; games then he has had clutch games. if someone scores 25 points in the 1st half, and the game is still down to the wire and that same person cant score at all, or doesnt take the initiative to &#8220;lead&#8221; or take over and the team loses or someone else on the team has to consistently take over the game then would that same person be &#8220;clutch&#8221; because of his 25 points? no, he might be a good scorer, but putting up numbers is one thing, putting up numbers when the game is on the line is totally different.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say Salmons would DEFINITELY be in the top-8 of any contending team.  You said Jazz, Rockets and Celtics.  Here&#039;s where he would fit

Rockets:  Over Rafer Alston and Brent Barry. 
Jazz: Over CJ Miles and Matt Harpring
Celtics: Over Tony Allen and Eddie House

I don&#039;t think there is any disputing he is better than all 6 of those guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say Salmons would DEFINITELY be in the top-8 of any contending team.  You said Jazz, Rockets and Celtics.  Here&#8217;s where he would fit</p>
<p>Rockets:  Over Rafer Alston and Brent Barry.<br />
Jazz: Over CJ Miles and Matt Harpring<br />
Celtics: Over Tony Allen and Eddie House</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there is any disputing he is better than all 6 of those guys.</p>
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		<title>By: rkraicek</title>
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		<dc:creator>rkraicek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sooooo a guy doesn&#039;t get crazy numbers but he hits big shots, so he&#039;s clutch.  makes sense, except if a guy scores 25 in the first half, they still count for 25.

also, your point that one game or series doesn&#039;t make someone clutch makes sense.  therefore, one game or series doesn&#039;t make someone un-clutch.  it&#039;s all perception.  you&#039;ve proved your point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sooooo a guy doesn&#8217;t get crazy numbers but he hits big shots, so he&#8217;s clutch.  makes sense, except if a guy scores 25 in the first half, they still count for 25.</p>
<p>also, your point that one game or series doesn&#8217;t make someone clutch makes sense.  therefore, one game or series doesn&#8217;t make someone un-clutch.  it&#8217;s all perception.  you&#8217;ve proved your point.</p>
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		<title>By: rangerjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>rangerjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>see here is the problem with you dirk fans, you guys think because dirk has ONE good game where he &quot;performed&quot; in a crunch time situation that he is all of a sudden some hard core clutch tough, not soft player in the league. bottom line, dirk can score, and EVERY NOW AND THEN he has a good clutch performance, but hey didnt that kid over in GS who was undrafted and a rookie just score 37 or something and come down with some clutch plays at the end of the game? so is that guy the new kobe or manu or labron or duncan? fuck no he is some kid who had a nice game and will more then likely never have another game like that in his life. 

one game doesnt make you clutch, 5 games a season doesnt make you clutch, day in and day out makes you clutch. hell look at TD, his numbers where not crazy last night but when his team needed a score he got it and the spurs won, same thing friday against houston, his numbers where not nasty but his team needed him in the crunch time and he pulled them through. THATS CLUTCH!

and vinny, yeah that vid is nasty, there are a ton of those fights, felony fights has some pretty interesting fights. bunch of guys right out of the pen throwin hands for 1000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>see here is the problem with you dirk fans, you guys think because dirk has ONE good game where he &#8220;performed&#8221; in a crunch time situation that he is all of a sudden some hard core clutch tough, not soft player in the league. bottom line, dirk can score, and EVERY NOW AND THEN he has a good clutch performance, but hey didnt that kid over in GS who was undrafted and a rookie just score 37 or something and come down with some clutch plays at the end of the game? so is that guy the new kobe or manu or labron or duncan? fuck no he is some kid who had a nice game and will more then likely never have another game like that in his life. </p>
<p>one game doesnt make you clutch, 5 games a season doesnt make you clutch, day in and day out makes you clutch. hell look at TD, his numbers where not crazy last night but when his team needed a score he got it and the spurs won, same thing friday against houston, his numbers where not nasty but his team needed him in the crunch time and he pulled them through. THATS CLUTCH!</p>
<p>and vinny, yeah that vid is nasty, there are a ton of those fights, felony fights has some pretty interesting fights. bunch of guys right out of the pen throwin hands for 1000.</p>
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		<title>By: vinny</title>
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		<dc:creator>vinny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damm Ranger that dude got stomped in that video!!!</description>
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