NBA / Nov 10, 2008 / 12:00 pm

The Most Valuable MVP

Last year we witnessed exactly how hard it is to choose an MVP. As heated as the Kobe vs. Chris Paul debate was, imagine what it would have been like trying to vote in 1992-93 when Charles Barkley (25.6 ppg, 12.2 rpg, 5.1 apg) edged Hakeem Olajuwon despite one of the greatest single seasons of all time (26.1 ppg, 13.0 rpg, 3.5 apg, 1.8 spg, 4.2 bpg). The Dream deservedly won both the MVP and Defensive Player of the Year in ’93-94.

But here’s a decision far tougher than any single season: who is the most valuable MVP of the last thirty years? We went back to 1978-79 to find the twelve best MVP seasons. We narrowed the field to the last thirty years and limited each player to one season a piece.

1992-93 – Charles Barkley: 25.6 ppg, 12.2 rpg, 5.1 apg, 1.6 spg, 1.0 bpg, 52% FG
1987-88 – Michael Jordan: 35.0 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 5.9 apg, 3.2 spg, 1.6 bpg, 53.5% FG
1994-95 – David Robinson: 27.6 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 2.9 apg, 1.7 spg, 3.2 bpg, 53% FG
1978-79 – Moses Malone: 24.8 ppg, 17.6 rpg, 1.8 apg, 1.0 spg, 1.5 bpg, 54% FG
2003-04 – Kevin Garnett: 24.2 ppg, 13.9 rpg, 5.0 apg, 1.5 spg, 2.2 bpg, 49.9% FG
1999-00 – Shaquille O’Neal: 29.7 ppg, 13.6 rpg, 3.8 apg, 0.5 spg, 3.0 bpg, 57.4% FG
2002-03 – Tim Duncan: 23.3 ppg, 12.9 rpg, 3.9 apg, 2.9 bpg, 51.3% FG
1993-94 – Hakeem Olajuwon: 27.3 ppg, 11.9 rpg, 3.6 apg, 1.6 spg, 3.7 bpg, 52.8% FG
2000-01 – Allen Iverson: 31.1 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 4.6 apg, 2.5 spg, 0.3 bpg, 42% FG
1979-80 – Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 24.8 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 4.5 apg, 1.0 spg, 3.4 bpg, 60.4% FG
1984-85 – Larry Bird: 28.7 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 6.6 apg, 1.6 spg, 1.2 bpg, 52.2% FG
1986-87 – Magic Johnson: 23.9 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 12.2 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.5 bpg, 52.5% FG

Who is the Most Valuable MVP?

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73 Responses to “The Most Valuable MVP”

  1. fallinup says:

    Jordan. Thank you, goodnight.

  2. Quedas says:

    Man, this is an impossibly hard choice to make, but… in ultimate analysis, you gotta go with Michael Jordan. Forget the on-court dominance and the mental edge, those numbers are just freaking insane.

    1987-88 – Michael Jordan: 35.0 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 5.9 apg, 3.2 spg, 1.6 bpg, 53.5% FG

    Are you kidding me?!

  3. Brown says:

    I took a quick glance, and like the two posters above me, Jordan’s numbers jumped off the screen. Those numbers are insane!

  4. YOUNGFED says:

    Are yall having a contest for who can write the most articles today. Got Damn!!!

  5. CasualFan says:

    I’m suprised this topic even made it to the point where you needed to ask. Jordan’s numbers are unreal. MJ point blank, period.

  6. Drink the Haterade (KB24 Chip 09) says:

    Ok everyone knows he’s the GOAT so can you all please get off his jock strap for just one second.

    As much as I do not like Shaq, in his hay day NOBODY from anytime could have stopped him. Shaq and then I say Hakeem

  7. nick says:

    Jordan.

  8. loganlight says:

    MJ all day.

    With that said, Hakeem averaged 4 blocks a game… that is nuts.

  9. Haqq says:

    Disputed yes… But I have to go with, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

    He is heavily under-looked man.

  10. alquimista says:

    Mj, larry legend & kevin garnett in that order.

  11. Big T says:

    Jordan, followed by The Dream.

  12. Ross says:

    Numbers wont verify this question, but I’d go with MJ.

  13. vinny says:

    2 people on this list have 6 rings- i go with jordan slightly over Kareem. Nobody, NOBODY could stop the sky hook!!

  14. Tone says:

    I would say slight edge to Jordan. He averaged 6 more points and twice as many steals than Bird did in his MVP year, but Bird did get twice as many boards and had a good front court that took take away from him averaging more boards and points. Birds team made it to the finals, Jordans team lost to the Bad Boys in the 2nd round. What gives Jordan the edge is he also won the the scoring title and defensive player of the year to go along with his MVP honor.

  15. ERIC says:

    I forgot how impressive KG’s 03-04 statline was, but with that said..

    1) Jordan
    2) Dream

  16. J Tok says:

    MJ

  17. yoda says:

    real question here is how come shaq was MVP only once…

  18. Prof. TX says:

    If building a team today, I’d rather have Hakeem than Jordan. Scorers are much easier to find these days than a dominating defensive center. You can substitute a Kobe or a Wade at the SG spot and do almost as well but you can’t put someone like Ilgauskas or even Yao in for Olajuwon and get the same contribution.

  19. Hehateme says:

    My two cents,

    Michael Jordan’s title as the G.O.A.T is definitely highlighted by his 1987-88 season.

    1987-88 – Michael Jordan: 35.0 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 5.9 apg, 3.2 spg, 1.6 bpg, 53.5% FG

    For serious, those are nice numbers. Sadly, those numbers doesnt jump out of my computer screen and smack me in the face like what it did to BROWN.In my humble opinion, Larry the legend’s and Magic’s numbers look just as nice.
    Larry Posted:
    1984-85 – Larry Bird: 28.7 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 6.6 apg, 1.6 spg, 1.2 bpg, 52.2% FG(plus an insane .447 3pt%)

    while the Magicman posted:
    1986-87 – Magic Johnson: 23.9 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 12.2 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.5 bpg, 52.5% FG(12.2 assist boys)

    i was born in 1986,so i cant really tell you how jordan, bird and magic played in those years. I cant really measure the impact they have on their team either, but if i was to base everything on points then its close.
    Jordan-35pts+5.5asst= 46 pts per game
    Bird- 28.7+6.6asst= 41 pts per game
    Magic-24pts+12asst=48pts per game
    For y’all info, i dont think the panel considers defense as part of MVP voting( Steve Nash and Dirk), so save that argument for someone else. I think people often forget the greatness of Magic and Bird.as a gm, ill be happy with either Magic or Jordan. Im not really disputing Jordan’s GOAT status, but i just want to respect Bird and Magic for what they did in 85 and 86 cause theyre often overshadowed by his Airness.

    case close..

  20. Kudabeen says:

    Iverson had to do the most heavy lifting to get a lesser team to the upper echelon…He’s the only one I see that you take him out the line up and his team is straight lottery…I guess MJ in 87-88 Bulls may be in that same class too…

    MJ closed the show too many times in big games to not get the nod for MVP of MVPs…

  21. karizmatic says:

    So why is this hard again? Jordan, not only because his numbers were ridiculous, but he pretty much was MVP a bunch of the seasons after 87-88 too. Everyone knowss they stopped giving it to Jordan because they wanted other guys to at least have a chance to win something, which has of course led to the MVP nonsense we have currently, where the best guys doesn’t get it because it’s not yet his “time.” Whatever that is.

  22. justice says:

    jordan magic and bird’s numbers are crazy, get A.I outta there lebron and chris paul put up way better numbers than that last year and they werent even an mvp..i assume we are basing this thing on numbers and not impact and importance correct?

  23. Quedas says:

    @ Prof. TX

    I get your point, and it sounds right – to a certain degree it IS right.

    There’s just one little snag in your argument: Jordan was most definitely NOT just a scorer. He was one of the best on the ball defenders ever also.

    I love Hakeem, but I think Jordan proved you don’t need a dominating center to win a championship – you just have to have Jordan.

  24. Jeronimo says:

    Michael Jordan, no doubt. Not only his numbers were crazy, but more importantly, oponents flat out feared him. I can’t tell that about any other of these players, including Barkley. And just to make clear I’m not biased: I’ve always been a Magic Johnson fan.

  25. fallinup says:

    Those Jordan stats represent how dominant this man was. He literally did everything expected of a basketball player of any size or height consistently.

  26. Lee says:

    Jordan, Bird, Magic. I think you scrap anyone who shoots below 50%

    Bird 1.2 blocks a game … HOW ?????

  27. johnsacrimoni says:

    Jordan’s statline was nice, but some others were just about as nice. I’d say Jordan, Bird, Dream, and Magic.

  28. Drink the Haterade (KB24 Chip 09) says:

    @ 23

    Actually Jordan’s teams were the only ones to win without a dominating Big.

  29. Quedas says:

    @ Drink the Haterade

    Yeah, that was my point exactly. Dominant centers are almost always the sure fire way to go for the ring – Jordan is the exception, which makes him, in my opinion, the best ever.

  30. JA says:

    Shaq’s combined Pts/Rebs/Asts is slightly higher than MJ’s. And his insane FG% balances out MJ’s slightly higher Steals/Blocks.

    And as much as we hate on Shaq for his FT%, think of just how many times in his prime the Shaqtus put ENTIRE frontcourts of teams in foul trouble.

  31. A$$Cube aka Jazzy Belle says:

    Dunno if someone posted it already but Mailman shoulda be on this list. In 96 he averaged something like 27-10-4 shooting 55% from the field. Not as great a statline as Chukc’s but still.

  32. Hehateme says:

    I think some people are missing the point of the question or maybe i did. Cause, the question ask for the most valuable MVP. For Jordan it was 87-88, for KG it was his 03-04 and etc, that’s why dime stated all their statistical number, because we have to judge them based on that season alone. not their career accomplishment or how many championship they won later, because whats the point of posting all those number if we can argue about how Jordan won 3 in the row with no big man.If that’s how were suppose to argue then maybe Dime should post the name of all the Mvps from the last 30 years and let us then decide who should be the best Mvp from that lot. SO did Jordan won the chip in 86-87? No, he did not…..

    case close

  33. justice says:

    In lamens terms whose team on the list would have sucked the most without them is in essence what my good friends at dime are trying to say, with that being said

    A.I numbers weren’t really the best across the board but that team would have been pretty bad,that chicago team would have sucked, but worst of the worst would have been the t-wolves without kg that year good god!!

  34. Ashlov says:

    I didn’t bother reading a single reply. Jordan. Take him away, and none of it ever happens. Ever.

  35. John says:

    MJ ,,, all day ,,, His FG% and Blocks are center ish … his Stills are point guard ish ,,, his assist + reb + are small fowards and power foward ish ,,, and the points are Jordan ish ,,,, that year his Airness won

    NBA Scoring Title
    NBA Slam Dunk Championship
    NBA All-Star Game MVP
    NBA Defensive Player of the year ,,,

    I rest my case.

  36. Ian says:

    professor tx
    im with u on that one 100%

    i know 2 people made a point that jordan won without a big man but whos to say jordan would beat a team with a dominant big man in the finals

    every legit big in the history of the nba has a ring

    in terms of draft today id go with a bunch of bigs over jordan because i can substitute the scoring with a second or third round pick.

    someone posted this is the reason hes the best ever sure it might be but in an alltime draft pool does he gives u the best chance at a ring? its an opinion thing but personally i dont think so.

    justice
    good point about ai

    going thru all the definitions of mvp
    id say its hakeem and david no two teams drop off as much if we take that player outta the team. then followed by shaq timmeh and garnett.
    there is some proof on the jordan part remember they made it to a game 7 of the second round and won 55 games without him.

  37. Dagomar says:

    What knocks me out about Jordan’s stats is the FG%. WHAT?! Since when does a perimeter player get to score more efficiently than a 5? That’s insane, just insane. Compare that to Iverson’s 42% . . . nearly 12% lower. Shows you that a great scorer should be measured by efficiency before raw point totals are taken into consideration.

    So for me it’s:

    1) Jordan
    2) Shaq
    3) Dream
    4) Bird

  38. dapro says:

    I gotta point this out to the Dime family, this is Jordan’s MVP year, despite the fact that he put it better statistical numbers in other seasons and more team wins a few years later

    1988-89 Chicago 32.5 pts 8 rebs 8 ast 54% fg 2.9 stl .8 blks

    This is a trend that the league didn’t see coming, MJ THE GOAT put up video game numbers his entire Bulls Career

    he got have one MVP every year and there wouldn’t be that much of an argument against it

  39. Ian says:

    dagomar
    that has always been my problem with ai when people say hes the third best scorer ever
    when u shoot 42% and take 100 shots a game its not that impressive

  40. dapro says:

    typo “he could have won”

  41. max says:

    since when was it all about stats??? kobe would have won 5 mvps by now, and no one named lebron or chris paul wouldn’t win one for the next 10 years

  42. dapro says:

    @ Ian says

    I see the point but judging by his 6 rings I say he gives you a damn good shot

    He isn’t your average or even above average 2 guard- He is the best player ever

    Dominant big men come along more often than game changing and historical 2 guards like the GOAT

    You could make a case for each of these centers Dream, Wilt, Russell and Shaq being the best

    You can’t do that for guards, MJ wins handily. My point is more dominant big man have graced the league than 2 guards with the combination of skill, talent, strength, and knowledge of MJ

  43. max says:

    one thing you guys did was narrow jordan down to his best statistical year (out of his mvp years) but i’m sure his 72 win year would have won him the mvp over all his other years

  44. Ian says:

    dapro
    i know he has six rings but i did post he didnt play vs a dominant big man on his way to the rings (i dont count ewing as that)
    thats why i said vs not 6 rings stand alone because based on that we all have to say russell and shut up.

    u say more dominant bigs grace the league i dont agree on that one there like 10 alltime greats
    id say more sg and sf grace the league the thing is centers stand out because they ALWAYS win. thats why u draft big. hell a healthy tmac can give u jordans production on a team.

    u can have a list of ten dominant big men in the history of the league and then a drop off i can name more sg ,sf that are superstar players.

    just imagine a 15 team draft all time jordan goes in the first round but a team that choose lets say wilt and comes back in the second round with a kobe drexler gervin tmac player has a more balanced team than a jordan with a yao for example.

  45. Ian says:

    and no dapro hes not the best ever
    he might be the best to u as wilt might be the best to me. remember there was a poll here asking whos the best player ever was and wilt won. i know its all opinion but u can make the case as best ever for a couple of players.

  46. dapro says:

    Ian your minimizing Mike’s talents bruh, No other 2 guard is on par with Mike

    Mike dominated all comp, those big men that you mentioned didn’t make it to the finals to face MJ six times to prove who was best

    Hakeem (my fave big)- won 2 post MJ
    Shaq-4 post MJ
    Admiral-post MJ

    You see my point

  47. Ian says:

    no no no im not minimizing
    but u cant use that as argument everyone wins post someone
    i can say then that jordan won cuz the pistons got old and the piston won cuz the celts got old.
    jordan post pisonts???
    doesnt sound right now does it?

    its valid for u to say hes the best ever but its valid for me to say wilt is.
    and since we are basing or arguments on past events then we are both kinda right in whos the best ever. but this is an mvp thing and i saw the spurs and rockets drop like shit when the lost the admiral and hakeem that didnt happen with the bulls in 94. im not trying to change your opinion im just explaining why I chose the others.

  48. justice says:

    @ian

    im with u but i believe u had a typo
    a healthy t-mac will give u mj’s stats?

    maybe in a career year… a lot of people may give u the points,reb and assists in one season out of the 15 they play….MJ statistically is untouched because he did it so long at such a high level in every category, lebron will probably have better stats when it’s all said and done though phucking scary..

    this post is about one season though, the bulls honestly probably would have been better than horrible without MJ that year, I can’t say the same for the T-wolves, the sixers sucked but everyone played out of their minds that year, was it because of A.I is the question..

  49. Ian says:

    one thing u mentioned is no one is on par with mj
    well offensively there are some sg on par
    he might be better on d but that doesnt come in play that much head to head

    for example if jordan played iceman or kobe in a game jordan is droppin 30-40 sure but u think jordan will limit the other 2 to 15 or less points?? no

  50. Ian says:

    justice
    yeah thats my point this is a one year thing that why i chose a couple of players over jordan

    but the tmac thing is talking in series they playing each other i meant tmac could match the numbers why not????

    now u cant say more bigs come into the league than sg and sf is not possible. elite of course.

    good point at the end
    about the twolves
    thats what i based my rockets and spurs desicion on
    spurs win 60 games and go deep in the playoffs they lose ONLY david for one season and land duncan i mean comon thats an mvp. this is not whos the better player but a better mvp one particular season u get it but many people here voting on jordan are basing it on a career thing

  51. Ian says:

    justice
    as statistically untouchable id go with wilt and big o.

    i mean comon 50 and 20 per game

  52. justice says:

    wilt and Big O are hard to gauge for me that’s video game numbers, there will never be that big a difference in talent its hard to even take those into numbers account.. but most these other guys played at or around the same time so it’s a lot easier to get a realistic look at it, if mchale or duncan played in the wilt era they may have averaged 65 easy…

    The thing with MJ,Magic And Bird is they did it against premier competion,MJ in his prime probably will hold kobe to 15 but we know for sure that no one could do it to him..

    All these guys on the list had some quality help though..
    so even though he didn’t win mvp i think lebron probably did the most with the least ever, point blank period,he had the worst finals team in history when ur second option is a guy that can barely walk i think u deserve some recognition..not even that New Jersey team comes close to being as bad

  53. justice says:

    25ppg in the 80′s= 40ppg in 1960 anything

  54. Ian says:

    i dont know if i agree on all that cuz i think if u r great u can play anytime
    but jordan holding kobe or ice to 15 (i hate kobe btw dont think im defending him) is not happening.
    remember jordan got lit up by richmond drexler and reggie when they played (of course jordan did the same to them) but the other 2 i mentioned are top 3 sg scorers ever.

    no one stops no one great head to head its impossible jordan kobe drexler ice all score 30 on each other.

  55. Ian says:

    your post 53 is not true remember u just dont warp the player as he is to the era everyone gets same training same food and all.

    comon thats sayin that kevin durant would be the best player in the 70s and someone that comes into the league and score 20 ppg in 2018 is better than jordan?

  56. rell says:

    @ian

    Jordan number would be more deadly now if he played today. Back in the day, defenders could hand check and was allowed to get away with more. Now they can’t lay a hand on you. Think how many time Jordan would go to the line now if you can’t hand check him. A healthy T-Mac couldn’t even touch Jordan fg%, assist, and rebounds. He might can match his points but his fg% will not touch 53.5%.

  57. Ian says:

    rell that not the point i was going for hehhehe im talking about the dropoff u might have from drafting a center first and a sg or sf second than vice versa

  58. ron says:

    Jordan, Larry, SirCh.
    One year ago Jordan shots 32,5/8/8

  59. justice says:

    Kobe was held down by Paul Pierce and James Posey,I’ll give u reggie, jordan would basically beat himself gambling for steals…

    your right no one in the nba can stop anyone head to head, but there’s 5 other guys on the court and MJ was the best at forcing u where he wanted u to go and that’s what makes a great defender..Kobe as great as he is gets rattled when things get physical,iceman was great but MJ would score 100 on him he was like 140 lbs..Clyde would be the best matchup but we see how that turned out…

  60. justice says:

    Okay well looking at wilt’s post play i say if wilt in his prime played in the 80′s he would have been lucky if he averaged 15ppg

    wilt’s moves=greg oden

    bill russell used to jump 2 inches off the ground and get blocks what do u think would happen with that guy today? damon jones anyone

  61. Ian says:

    well since u think old school players arent great
    then like i said in 15 years whoever avgs 20 ppg is better than mj??

    wilt=oden lol sure

    there is only one alltime great i think isnt that big a deal and its russell

  62. Andrew Katz says:

    I’m honestly shocked to see that there isn’t more love for Shaq’s ’99-00 season.

    Not only did he put up absurd #’s – basically 30 per game at 58% from the field, but he abused the guys trying to guard him. By the fourth quarter, the opposing bigs were legitimately beaten mentally and physically.

    In 13 games that season, the Diesel pulled down at least 20 rebounds.

    In 20 games that season, he blocked at least 5 shots.

    In 14 games that season, he scored at least 40 points – including the memorable 61-point, 23-rebound annihilation of the Clippers.

    That’s crazy.

  63. Ian says:

    same training everyone jordan in the 60s wouldnt be as strong iceman in the 00s wouldnt be as skinny russell in the 80s would be more physical u cant just transport players as they are.

  64. hooper5013 says:

    There are two guys on that list that couldn’t line up at power forward. Michael Jordan and Allen Iverson.

    Jordans numbers are INSANE. 3.2 steals, 1.6 blocks from the 2? retarded.

    Jordan

    Dream
    Barkley
    Shaq
    Bird
    Garnett

    Most complete player ever is Michael Jordan. He is the MVP of MVP’s and the season prior and the one before are every bit as good in there own right.

    I was arguing with a buddy the other day and he was telling me Kevin McHale is better than Barkley as far as best power forwards ever. Chuck is the best four to ever play the game check the stats. Duncan might have something to say about that but not McHale or Karl Malone in my eyes.

    Where are the Dreams, and Shaq’s of the next generation?

  65. QuEsT??? says:

    allen iverson

  66. Ian says:

    quest heheheh i was waiting for that one

    hooper
    basketball is not just stats this shit aint baseball
    and barkley cant touch duncan
    barkley calls himself the second best pf ever and i agree but guess who he names 1. duncan

  67. vinny says:

    @justice- while i understand there is probably an age difference and you might have not seen Wilt or Kareem.
    they played in a league that wasnt watered down like todays nba. Wilt had to play against willis reed, wes unseld, zelmo beaty, nate thurmond, walt bellemy among others- They would take some of these young guys heads off-so they werent scoring against scrubs like some of the big men shaq had to play aganist. Like i said in an earlier post NOBODY could stop the sky hook-he dropped 40 on akeem a few times- so stop dissing the old guys.
    Mike was still the best though and
    @Ian i have to go with Kareem over wilt

  68. craig says:

    I gotta go with the Hick from French Lick on this one..

    Bird
    Magic
    Diesel
    Air

  69. rob stewart says:

    I’d have to say A.I. He had the least talented supporting cast than all the other MVP’s teams did. Not only that but he was the smallest of all the MVP’s making him pound for pound the most valuable MVP ever. I’m not saying he is the best player just the most valuable on a team that he carried on his injured shoulders to the Finals.

  70. CLUTCH says:

    This is like impossible to decide.

    Final four though have to be Jordan (as he averaged 4 more points than the next person) Bird(those are also some sick numbers.) Magic(in that year he is contributing a total of about 50points a game) and Hakeem (4 blocks what the hell)

  71. ab_40 says:

    why 78-79?

    and the best season of all time stat wise was wilt’s 50 adn 23? season

    but out of this line it’s MJ

    wait wher’s steve nash? he had back2back mvp season shouldn’t he be in there? cuz he made his teammates better ‘n all then where’s john stockton’s mvp trophy? I still can’t believe that guy got 2 mvp trophies… WOW

  72. anon says:

    Hakeem, hands down. If he’d had the talent around him MJ had, he’d have won 7 championships (and if he didn’t have to play the Supersonics)

  73. ThisGuy says:

    Who ar the supersonics? Never heard of them.

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