Clinical Depression
Dirk Nowitzki (photo. Monte Isom)Remember when everyone — from rec league dudes to NBA free agents and just about anyone else outside the Eddy Curry archetype — wanted to play for the Suns? With each guy on the court getting all the shots they wanted, they looked like they were always having fun and they were winning (separating them from the current-day Warriors). But now, having lost four in a row after getting smacked by the Mavs last night, the Suns look depressed, confused and just bad … In the decisive second-quarter run, Dallas capitalized on all the things Phoenix didn’t game-plan for: Jason Kidd hitting threes, Brandon Bass dominating on both ends, and J.J. Barea looking like an All-Star. By the time Dirk checked back in and really started making the Suns’ lives miserable, it was a clinic. The Mavs were getting whatever shot they wanted, they moved the ball, and someone always seemed to be open. On the other end, it was like whoever in purple received the first pass was jacking — and bricking — whether they were open or not. It was like “Seven Seconds or Less,” the When Everything’s Going Wrong Edition. And whenever the Suns got kinda close, the Mavs would run off a few shots in a row and make it a blowout again … Dirk was ridiculous, dropping all but two of his 39 points (17-for-25 FG’s) in the first three quarters and giving Amare a migraine from sticking so many shots in his eye. Jason Terry scored 19 off the bench, and Barea went for 18 … Everybody got in on the act, too, from Erick Dampier hitting jumpers (that seriously may have been the first baseline J we’ve ever seen Damp hit, and we’re going all the way back to Mississippi State) to Shawne Williams getting enough burn to grab 12 boards … But what happened to Gerald Green where he went from starting to barely getting off the bench in a blowout? When G-Money did find his way onto the floor, Doug Collins said the worst thing to happen to him was winning the dunk contest, because he got a big head and forgot how hard he had to work to be a complete player and not just a dunker. So THAT’S why LeBron and the other superstars won’t do the dunk contest. Now it makes sense … Every time they showed Terry Porter, he was walking back and forth with this puzzled/pained look on his face, his hand raised like he was going to call a play but then never did. And it wasn’t just because his team got killed last night. Porter always looks like that, like he’s thinking, “I hope no one finds out I don’t know what I’m doing.” … Is it time for the Suns to drop the new system and go back to running? Shaq says he’s down for whatever. As weak as the Pacific Division is after the Lakers (Warriors, Clippers, Kings), Phoenix is pretty much guaranteed a second-place finish. But the way they’re playing now, no way they’re getting past Round 1 in the playoffs … Ironic that Terrell Owens was able to diagnose the Suns problems as a lack of chemistry. But we guess he would be the expert … Charles Barkley on T.O.: “He’s got Tiger Woods‘ Disease. They wear medium and small shirts to make their body look better.” … To quote reader Baron Von Faulk, “sweet beard of Zeus.” … Welcome back to the Spurs we all know and can’t stand. It seemed like they were in for a back-and-forth battle with the Nuggets for the first few minutes, when neither team could miss, but then San Antonio got that signature ball-movement/Tony Parker penetration (22 pts, 8 asts)/corner three/Duncan post-up (21 pts, 12 rebs, 7 asts) game going and ran away with it … You thought the Spurs flopped? How about Nene hitting the deck like THIS GUY after Parker gave him a forearm to the chest? That was just shameless … Anyone else catch when Reggie Miller called Mike Fratello “Lance Bass“? … In the first half Bruce Bowen took a pull-up two while someone on the Nuggets — it sounded like Kenyon Martin — screamed “OH HELL NO!” Bowen bricked … Speaking of, if you still have a question for K-Mart, let us know HERE. And for the following edition of our new “Post Up” series, we’ve got Josh Childress. Any questions you have for Chill about Greece, the Euroleague, the NBA and anything else, post them HERE and he’ll answer the best ones … We’re out like the return of flopping …
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December 5th, 2008 at 6:56 am
Atom says:
Dampier made Shaq look like Shaqira last night.
Im out like Erica
December 5th, 2008 at 7:04 am
Big Sia says:
No matter what Dirk does
He could drop 82
I’ll never take him seriously
Yes, it is because he’s white.
December 5th, 2008 at 7:07 am
ya boy says:
watching the new look suns,t-mac’s knee(or anything else) and that certain punked look in J-ho’s eyes are not to mention the new thunder are enough to make any fan want to cry.
i sincerily hope this years nba finals are worth watching.
BTW is it just me or is ariza growing a menacing pair ?
Middle finger of the year has be from D.harris to the whole mavs organization.
FLUCK UUUUU!!!
That’s how you do it.Fluck a blog,a press conference etc.YOU HANDLE BI
simple.
December 5th, 2008 at 7:08 am
Big Sia says:
Im out Like Hilario
December 5th, 2008 at 7:11 am
Big Sia says:
The only thing Shaq’s down for is late-night Chinese food.
And Dime, dont you think you should be posting a reminisce on this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I14EJPCaEk
You are talking about the return of the flop after all….
Which brings to mind: Whats the biggest flop you’ve ever seen?
December 5th, 2008 at 7:13 am
YOUNGFED..."guess who's back and i'm stuntin' on the haters....Say Welcom Back!!!" says:
Doug Collins is the worst coach ever. He’s just upset because he belongs to the white men can’t jump club.
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December 5th, 2008 at 7:13 am
ya boy says:
ooh ooh real quick,isn’t Barkley becoming the cat you want to listen to at a party but glad you didn’t to with.the verbal diarrhea just doesn’t stop.
Now that’s a guilty pleasure
Oh get your mind out tha gutta maflucka.
December 5th, 2008 at 7:15 am
ya boy says:
ooh ooh real quick,isn’t Barkley becoming the cat you want to listen to at a party but glad you didn’t roll with.the verbal diarrhea just doesn’t stop.
Now that’s a guilty pleasure
Oh get your mind out tha gutta maflucka
December 5th, 2008 at 7:20 am
IGP says:
Hey Big Sia go fuck yourself you racist bitch
December 5th, 2008 at 7:35 am
pep says:
@IGP
don’t take Big Sia seriously, he is black…what a stupid comment by big sia, what a retard
December 5th, 2008 at 7:41 am
YOUNGFED..."guess who's back and i'm stuntin' on the haters....Say Welcom Back!!!" says:
Damn Dime whats up wit yall letting all these racist remarks fly. Whats really, really good.
@Pep
Racism is easy on the internet. Come see me anytime you wanna say something like that to a BLACK MANS face. I promise you’ll never do it again. Real Talk.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:06 am
Craig says:
Big Sia, that Jurgie dude, and Tyrone are the three guys i think are the most agressively annoying ppl on the site
December 5th, 2008 at 8:12 am
rangerjohn says:
ok 1st dime whats up with just 5 lines about the spurs nugs game i mean damn there where only 2 games and thats all you could muster?
2nd, how you like your boy ALREADY going back on his words there youngfed?
3rd, so its ok for a blackman to talk racist shit to white guys but not the other way around, you have got to be kidding me.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:26 am
rick773 says:
This is suppossed to be a basketball site it’s the love of the game that’s supossed to unite us Black White or purple. But the fact of the matter is racism is always going to be present no matter what so my advice is to not get worked up because people are gonna think what they think and say what they say regardless especially because they don’t have to worry about bodily harm or the ridicule from civilized people. Anybody can be a cyberthug
December 5th, 2008 at 8:27 am
pep says:
@Youngfed…i was relating to the Big Sia racist comment and was ironic. i hate racists as much as anything. peace
December 5th, 2008 at 8:28 am
fallinup says:
“Welcome back to the Spurs we all know and can’t stand.”
I actually felt damn good to see the clinic SA put on Denver. Even with a blow out in hand and less than 2min to go, Duncan was still swattin’ shots and the offense was in sync. Teams wish they could play like a good Spurs teams. I’m glad they seem to be getting it together.
Give credit where credit is due. Appreciate good team basketball.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Big Sia says:
For the record, I’m not Black or White.
And again, for the record, Eric Piatkowski and Jason Collier are two of the biggest G’s in NBA history.
Dirk’s whiteness is a major detract to his game. Take it as racism if you want. But if he was raised in a different culture he would be pretty unstoppable with his skill set. He’s a good player. Just soft, unclutch, easily mentally frustrated, etc.
And now that I have your attention….. VC + Harris + Bron + Yi/Lopez = Chips a fucking Hoy.
Peace
December 5th, 2008 at 8:36 am
Big Sia says:
And im personally offended by the comparison with Tyrone. Big Jurgie is a joker though
December 5th, 2008 at 8:45 am
pep says:
@big sia…if Dirk would be raised in a different culture, he would not have this kind of skill set. He is extremely fundamentaly sound and that is, in my opinion, the result of growing up in Europe.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:46 am
YOUNGFED..."guess who's back and i'm stuntin' on the haters....Say Welcom Back!!!" says:
@RangerJohn
1st If you read the 1st part of my comment I think I addressed both sides. 2nd IGP addressed the 1st racist comment.
@Craig
I disagree with you there, that Jurg guy is kinda funny. Hi, i’m youngfed and his post they makes me laughy laughy. lol
December 5th, 2008 at 8:48 am
fallinup says:
I don’t link to other blogs much…but I came across this one. Lovin’ all this Wu-Tang hype going around for the 15 year anniversary.
http://therapup.uproxx.com/2008/11/if-wu-tang-members-were-nba-players.html
December 5th, 2008 at 8:54 am
Big Sia says:
fallinup, that was one of the greatest posts in Dime history.
Wu tang all fucking day.
Although RZA = Tim Duncan CLEARLY
December 5th, 2008 at 9:04 am
jonny taise says:
terry porter needs to go. or he needs to fix his style to fit the suns players better.
December 5th, 2008 at 9:07 am
Hi, Jurg from Denmark says:
hi from jurg.
and you think that jurg doesn’t take basketball properly so i must tell you that i have asked some importent question to mr kenyon martin and mr josh childrass. i aay hi mr martin. is there many drugs found in nba. and i ask mr childress why his teeth look so bad. and you know this but not wanting to ask him, but big jurg did.
and you pick on youngfad but this is no good.
mr burton, please remember i have top ten euro player for when you need that list. and i do this list for free of charge.. and goodbby, from your jurgy. bye. hi hi.
December 5th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Austin Burton says:
@Jurg — We’re working on it.
@Big Sia — Duncan isn’t RZA because Duncan isn’t insane.
December 5th, 2008 at 9:14 am
GEE...Soggys all day! says:
Houston up!
Questions?
Ranger what’s up wit ya Spurs? They lookin like Spurs of old but, I still feel they are missing something and can’t put my finger on it. So being that you are a fan, what are they missin?
Young now more than ever it seems like LeBron will be taking ya boys out if they meet again. Do you see Joe making another trade, or do you feel Detroit is cool enough for “The Playoffs”?
Big Sia so what would Jordan have been like “if” he were white? LOL
Dime I usally see other cats (from other Mags) doing editorial reviews on different show sometime (Jim Rome is Burning (that has to be the worst name for a show) and other shows). When we gonna see P. Cassidy, A.B or Andrew Katz making it on the screen?
December 5th, 2008 at 9:16 am
rangerjohn says:
so “big sia” you are asian? not black, not white, there is only asian. (negroid, caucasoid, moingoloid)
December 5th, 2008 at 9:21 am
rangerjohn says:
GEE
best i can figure, they need to figure the rotation a little better, they need something better then bonner (mahinmi is supposed to be healing up well), and they need to get the rust off. they still need some youth but the biggest issue is the inside, they are sparing with thomas’ minutes so they are stuck with oberto’s slow clumbsy ass (i HATE his “i dont grab rebounds i tip it out to the wing) and matt “i wish i was half the player horry was” bonner. not a big fan of his at all. oh and udoka KILLS ME, that guy never saw a shot he didnt like. some nights he is on, most nights he is relatively worthless.
they are also sparing bowen minutes trying to get the other guys figured out. i really dont have issue with pops minutes, or with finleys game as long as it is in smaller minutes. i see manu, tony and tim all averaging more minutes then they have in the last 3-4 yrs. i expect they will get to the 2nd round but thats it, more then likely losing to the lakers or hornets in the 2nd round.
December 5th, 2008 at 9:22 am
jay says:
HEY DIME, ARE YOU REALLY WATCHING THE GAMES???
“JASON KIDD HITTING THREES”???
FYI. KIDD HIT JUST ONE THREE POINTER OUT OF 3 ATTEMPTS FOR THE NIGHT.
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT, DAMN.
December 5th, 2008 at 9:23 am
vinny says:
Hey Ranger, i’m not black or white either, but i’m not asian-comon man there are more than 3 ethnicities! you know that right/ that was a joke right?
December 5th, 2008 at 9:27 am
GEE...Soggys all day! says:
Ranger I can dig what you saying about the minutes with the bigs (4 and 5′s) outside of Duncan. Yea that indeed may be the thing right there. The more youth thing too.
Still we all know Pop finds a way. Think San. An needs to make a trade happen? That might be a good ticket if they can package up something.
Like I wish the Rockets would create a package to get a real solid floor general (pg).
December 5th, 2008 at 9:27 am
YOUNGFED..."guess who's back and i'm stuntin' on the haters....Say Welcom Back!!!" says:
@Gee
1st You do know we beat the Cavs already don’t you? 2nd You do know we have AI don’t you? 3rd You do know we the Cavs ain’t played NO damn body don’t you?
We’ll be alright the Celtics are our only obstacle. Plus we got the best GM to ever do it running the ship.
As for making any changes or trades only a genious can think like a genious and i’m not a genious like Joey D.
I am a smart muthafuq’er though. lol
December 5th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Big Sia says:
@ Rangerjohn, im middle-eastern, not arabic though, I don’t know where what falls in your racial spectrum
@ Austin Burton, something about Duncan’s giant Merlin tatoo makes me think he isn’t exactly a normal guy.
@ Gee, if MJ was white he would be Larry Bird.
December 5th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Austin Burton says:
@jay — I can’t help it. That’s just how I talk.
(Sometimes you can use plural when referring to a singular event. Example: “Plaxico is an idiot, putting bullets in his own leg,” even though he only shot himself once.)
December 5th, 2008 at 9:31 am
marcus the great says:
1 @craig i think Tyrone and Jurg are 2 of the funniest posters on dimemag of all time
2 sometimes i think someone in the Dime office just makes up a character and posts as them for a while, it brings attention to them and its pure comedy. nobody really talks like Tyrone or Jurg forreal do they? do they??? lol
just my opinion
December 5th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Toan says:
So i’m putting my money on Lakers, Pistons, Nets, Magic, Cavaliers and Celtics this evening. Any suggestions if i’m wrong? have a nice day y’all
December 5th, 2008 at 9:36 am
QQ says:
Told you so. Shaq will destroy the Suns.
December 5th, 2008 at 9:38 am
marcus the great says:
man werent the Suns doin pretty good like a couple weeks ago? Shaq gettin double-doubles and shit, Amare straight beastin everybody gettin dope buckets (lol). what happened?
December 5th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Derrick Rose says:
Bump all this ethnic BS! There is only ONE ethnicity!!! Derrickrosian!
Me for ROY!!!
December 5th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Ansonious says:
I want Terry Porters head on a platter this guy is ruining my team with his whole approach personally I was hoping they would’ve gave the job to Avery but they were probably penny pinching the situation. What this guy is doing is pissing off the future of the franchise(Amare,) making the former mvp look like his good days are behind him which I don’t believe(Nash,) and relying on the “Give the ball to Shaq in the post,” way to often. Then we got back to back games against the Mavs and the Hornets, I know we haven’t beat the Hornets so far in the last 2 seasons these two games were big to me in my eyes with Nash playing against his old team, and finally getting a w against the Hornets. So what does Porter do rest Shaq, say Nash has the flu, against a team we have yet to beat since their rise to power in the west behind Paul, to boot getting blown out by the Mavs by 20 points pretty much the entire game, and as dime said this guy really doesn’t know what he’s doing. On one note the Suns were throwing up bricks left and right, it would seem the only two people who came to play last night were Amare and Nash so everyone else does deserve a little bit of the blame, and Amare put in all that work in the off season to get burned by Dirk huh it only makes sense that all that work didn’t include suffocating the guy your covering. Porter needs to go back to run and gun or get the hell out of town his system will not work with the Suns plus if he loses his job that doesn’t mean him and Steve Kerr have to stop dating. I’m out like Terry Porter for coach of the year peace!
December 5th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Big Sia says:
Derrick Rose just might be right
December 5th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Jeremy says:
The real crime is that there is a video up of the one positive thing JR Smith did last night; implying he was ballin yesterday. Dude didn’t see a shot he didn’t like yesterday, he was jackin threes and pull ups from all over with not one pass on the possesion. It was certainly the bad JR that showed up yesterday. Carmelo got crushed by Bruce Bowen all night too, why no mention?
December 5th, 2008 at 10:04 am
control says:
ranger
big sai could native american, arabian, albinoian (you’d think they are white, but they ain’t), mexican or australian (beer coloured).
Plenty more than just white/black and yellow.
December 5th, 2008 at 10:05 am
control says:
wow, my last comment took forever to post. gg 3g network.
December 5th, 2008 at 10:12 am
Dagomar says:
So Dirk has 39/9 against Amare and Shaq and all some people can talk about is how his game is flawed because he’s white? Unbelievable. The idea that all black players are athletic/tough/dunkers and all white players are fundamentally sound/good shooters/soft is one of the stupidest notions out there. It’s obviously racist, easily tossed by looking at different players, and proof of a deeper ignorance that continues to taint our societies.
December 5th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Bron42 AkA Your Moms Best Friend says:
lol 3 races, wow…..someone needs to go outside more often.
December 5th, 2008 at 10:21 am
that's whats up says:
To all racists and non-racists, I got a special treat for you this evening.
A young man.. that you all know.. as Joe the Policeman
…from the “What’s Goin’ Down?” episode of “That’s My Momma”
put your hands together
for Mister Randy Watson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoS8j9eNMZU
December 5th, 2008 at 10:22 am
that's whats up says:
everyone lighten up
…and light one up
December 5th, 2008 at 10:24 am
that's whats up says:
you’re f**kin’ up my Friday
December 5th, 2008 at 10:25 am
Bron42 AkA Your Moms Best Friend says:
and dag, it would be more considered stereotyping than racist. usually for it to be racist, it would have to be putting someone down. naming a common genetic thing such as athletic ability or saying most black people have brown eyes isn’t racist…plus ur always gonna have acceptions to stuff. That being said, there are black guys who are soft and join the chess club…there are some good white dunkers (not really many but some) etc…I mean technically hes right, look at some of the black euro players, their athletes and not set shooters (petro, petrius, parker) as opposed to guys like (dirk, darko, pavlovic) So race does play a part in certain things, but you can’t base EVERYTHING on it which alot of people on forums where u can freely run your mouth with no fallback constantly do.
On a final note, dirk is a softy no matter if he was all 3 of ranger johns known cultures.
December 5th, 2008 at 10:31 am
AK47 says:
@big sia
Man do you even know what it’s like to play in European countries such as Greece or Serbia? It’s pure pressure. The fan are not your average american fans (i did say average) that eat their hot dogs and drink their beers all games and sometimes react to a play.
So if Dirk misses a shoot in crush time that’s because he’s white, european and too soft. But Baron Davis can keep jacking up shoots and miss games to injuries..yet nobody will make any link to the colour of his skin. You know what is racism? It’s when you start making assumptions on people/races/origins and take them for granted. You’re just a racist piece of shit. But I guess it’s always easier to speak than to think…
December 5th, 2008 at 10:42 am
Big Sia says:
AK47
If Dirk was raised in the USA he would have a ring.
Plain and simple.
You can’t tell me Bargnani, who thrived in Europe, has been hardened, battle tested, or knows the “pure pressure” of TOUGH BASKETBALL.
Baron Davis jacking up shots because of ego, and Dirk being soft in the clutch have TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ROOT PROBLEMS.
My claim is that Dirk’s stems from growing up in a sheltered, unchallengind, and frankly, causcasian environment.
December 5th, 2008 at 10:42 am
Big Sia says:
But then again, i was half joking at the beggining of this entire race war.
now you got me all serious.
December 5th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Big Sia says:
Blunt time (that’s whats up)
December 5th, 2008 at 11:03 am
AK47 says:
@SIA
“My claim is that Dirk’s stems from growing up in a sheltered, unchallengind, and frankly, causcasian environment.”
I would agree with the unchallenging environment part. However, throughout history, successful sportsmen in popular sports (i’m not talking about golf here…) have come from the popular layers of society where people face more challenges than if they were in the upperclass. A white guy coming from the street (Wayne Rooney…Anyone?) will have the same fire as a black guy. It’s nowhere linked to race.
Now, I may have over reacted but I think you formulated badly…
December 5th, 2008 at 11:04 am
AK47 says:
“Now, I may have over reacted but I think you formulated it badly…” Sorry
December 5th, 2008 at 11:15 am
srb says:
nobody else caught the post from the guy who said he’s putting money on all the favorites tonight? seems like he’s taking a huge risk with lakers and celtics there..
i wonder what the ratio of black/white/other is on the boards here
December 5th, 2008 at 11:16 am
Big Sia says:
AK47
Thats an interesting implication brought on by what i was saying, and what i have been saying this whole time. I definetly agree with the class distinction being a major influence on the mental toughness of a player. Case in point – Kyle Korver vs Ron Artest. Maybe thats a bad example, but you get my point.
However, we live in a world where class distinction and race STILL have a DIRECT, CO-RELATING RELATIONSHIP. Anyone who thinks otherwise is ignorant, and simple Naive.
Of course theres exceptions (which all the haters will now bring up), a la Grant Hill, but stil.. Dirk is a prime example of what im talking about.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:20 am
SayItAintSo says:
I have diagnosed the Sun’s problem. It is a certain S. O’Neal. He is a complacent virus. Every team he has touched, (from Orlando, to the Suns) has eventually wasted away.
And with each new team, as he gets older, it takes him less and less time to infect the team. Crippling it, bringin it to it’s knees.
He is a fun, lovable guy but he is a friggin plague. Giant man with an ego to fit.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:24 am
AK47 says:
@SIA
There is a co-relating relationship but it tends to vary with culture as well. I c
This said, I’m just sick of the euro-bashing that happens in the comments section.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:28 am
Jim says:
If Dirk had grown up in the US he wouldn’t have a ring because he would have played volleyball and smoked out every weekend like every other 7′ blond guy and now he’d be selling insurance.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:28 am
AK47 says:
Once again…sorry!
AK47 says:
@SIA
There is a co-relating relationship but it tends to vary with culture as well. I can relate to some of the French players in the NBA that to me are soft (Petro, Moiso back in the day, Ajinca, Diaw…) and see, once again this is not a race thing (Rigaudeau (mavericks), Weis are white). So again, it’s not automatic and I think it’s dangerous to go for negative stereotypes when race is concerned.
This said, I’m just sick of the euro-bashing that happens in the comments section. (even though i just bashed the French). I hope you got my point!
Peace!
December 5th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Ross says:
Someone on the Nuggets last night (Kmart or Nene) got away with an up/down, while the refs were too sympathetic to call it. I hadn’t seen that in the NBA in a few years.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Big Sia says:
For that to end, we need a LEGITIMATE European superstar. Not a Ginobili (played in Europe), not a Petrovic/Nowitzki (scoring, moderatey succesful), not a Vlade (likeable, always smiling flop show), but someone LEGIT.
How Argentina and China got the step on yall is beyond me.
You better hope Rubio/Fernandez pan out.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:32 am
Jim says:
And I can’t even say out loud about what some people would say about Big Sia’s theory. You think Ron Artest is more mentally tough than Kyle Korver? That is crazy. Mentally tough does not mean mentally fragile, I’m pretty sure.
But Grant Hill doesn’t exactly hurt the class distinction argument, maybe Kobe, but even still there. Grant Hill is more like the Wayne Rooney example.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:35 am
vinny says:
#ak47- for years we had to listen to how the euro players are ‘more fundementaly sound’ than american players. so i think part of the euro bashing is a reaction to that!
being that were on the soc/economic struggle- when your fighting to escape poverty everything is a battle! so wheen you come from a poor background you tend to ball like it means everything. but for every ron artest there is grant hill-different economic backgrounds- different approaches(shit grants father was a pro-football player-hence more money!) Larry bird came from a poor b-ground-he played like it meant everything-dirk-not so much. Big Sia is right(about the class distinction) you would have to be naive to not factor economics into the conversation. But he’s wrong its not just because dirk is white-its because he is from middle class euro background. just my opinion.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Big Sia says:
JIM
Are you serious? Just cause you might be violent, abrasive, outspoken off the court, means nothing about on-court toughness. It takes a man to play the type of defense artest does. Plus, Korver isnt a weak player. He’s just not as mentally hardened as someone like artest (again that was an extreme example)
And BTW, Grant Hill grew up Rich. Check your facts before you throw rocks at the throne.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Big Sia says:
And Dirk wasn’t middle class either, both his parents were famous athletes.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Bron42 AkA Your Moms Best Friend says:
big does have a point to a extent…hes TERRIBLE at explaining it, but anyone who has been through stuff (i’ve been to white high schools and black high schools so none of u are tellin me shit) get his idea…
December 5th, 2008 at 11:40 am
rangerjohn says:
ok guys, you ALL need to go do a little research, there are only 3 races on this planet, the 3 i named. all the other “ethnicities” fall under one of those 3 cats. middle eastern would fall in the mongoloid category. researchers over the last couple of years have been making a case for there to be a 4th added an “astrialod” (or something to that effect). so while hispanic, native american, european and all that are different ethnicities, they are not races. so if a person is “not black (negroid) and not white (caucasoid) then he MUST be asian (mongoloid)”
GEE, yeah a trade would be nice but they dont have anything worht packaging. who are they going to ship? oberto/finley/udoka for d-howard? lmao they just dont have it.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Bron42 AkA Your Moms Best Friend says:
that bein said, can we drop the race stuff for now? lol its never gonna end and this forum isn’t gonna change anything lol
p.s:
AK47, euro bashing on the site would stop if the euro players held their own on the big stage…the only euro players who have turned into anything have been sleepers…all the lotto pics seem to suck ass and NEVER handle the nba pressure.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:42 am
Big Sia says:
Im not terrible at explaining shit. I just don’t have patience to deal with naive, gated-community cats who think Caron Butler and Jason Kapono should be treated with the same standard.
This shouldnt be news.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Big Sia says:
And Bron, this is actually a good discussion. I think “Pep” just learned something.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Jim says:
Uhh yeah, Grant Hill grew up rich, like Kobe. But Grant isn’t known as a tough guy, unlike Wayne Rooney, who grew up poor, so check your reading comprehension before you sit on the toilet. And Ron Artest is not even remotely mentally tough.
December 5th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Bron42 AkA Your Moms Best Friend says:
its not a good discussion cuz were one post away from some idiot sayin the wrong thing cuz their miss informed or like u said urself naive.
Jim, grants a duke guy, enough said. its like in “he got game” your not gonna find many euro guys gettin drilled like that by their parents just to play ball.
and ranger, yes their are 3 main races, but u flat out said if he wasn’t white or black hes asian…asian and spanish are totally different as are asian and arabic lol…that might be the worst generalization ever. so anything outside of white or black is one race? I mean if you REALLy wanna break it down, no ones one full race.
December 5th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
AK47 says:
@Bron42
Dirk was MVP and Parker got finals MVP. Diaw got MIP. We’re getting there…slowly. But ten years ago, beside the likes of Kukoc and Schrempf (who played college Bball in the States if I’m not mistaken), seeing foreigners in the NBA was not a common thing. It’s a slow walk. You also have to think of the ratio foreigners/us and see that only few us players are successful on the big stage and as a consequence, even less foreigner.
@vinny
I thinks this goes both ways. People (=Media) in America tend to put the physical tools first because that’s what makes the business attractive and that’s what’s sell the tickets. So if you want to make a euro player noticable, you put another set of skills first(fundamentals…whatever you call it).
December 5th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
rangerjohn says:
sorry bron42, but you need to go read up, there are 3 races, asian and spanish are different, asian is considered mongoloid, while spanish is considered caucasoid. damn man you guys dont know how to read or what, race and ethnicity are 2 different things. black white and asian are RACES, hispanic is caucasoid, arabic is mongoloid, european is caucasoid, african is negroid. by the way bron, where was persia? where is iraq/iran/packistan/saudi arabia and so on? they are all in ASIA!!!! the midle east is in ASIA!!!!! damn get a globe and hell look up some of this stuff.
it is not a generalization so much as it is a FACT!
December 5th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
AK47 says:
But that doesn’t mean that’s the way it is: a euro player like Marko Milic came to the NBA as a gifted athlete and was never successful where as a more “fundamentaly oriented” player such as David Robinson (I know he was an athlete) has success with a full repertoire of skills.
Just so that everybody understand, I don’t defend euros against common sense.
December 5th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Heaven Is A Playground says:
I never read any replies to today’s smack colum. But, this team needs to get Shaq out of there. Seriously, that man is not doing them any good. All the young bigs are walking all over him, no one seems to respect Shaq game anymore. Your time is up Big Fella, move on and let this young guys do there thing. You have 4 rings, and tons of money, so please retire. You are going to be missed. All those crazy dunks you had on people was an amazing thing to watch, but when you watch such a great player like shaq go down hill, its sad. And for a very long time, there will never be a player as dominating as you shaq. Fu*k, the dude ripped down two backbroads.
December 5th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Big Sia says:
3 including the Ahmad Rashad one^
December 5th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
TD says:
your all some clowns
December 5th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Big Sia says:
^ Says the guy with the Merlin Tatoo
December 5th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
TD says:
every last one of you who thinks that the smack comments section should be a forum for racial debate are ridiculous
@ fed
your a smart muthafucker that can’t spell genius
December 5th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Great now we got to see the Spurs in the Western Conference finals BEFORE we see the Celtics??
Gee Great..
December 5th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
YOUNGFED says:
@TD
can’t spell everything right. I can’t do every math problem correctly neither makes me anyless smart. My Degrees, GPA’s, and SAT’s tell me so. Hell you can even throw in my LSAT score for proof but you probably wouldn’t know what the last ones is so we’ll stick to the 1st 3.
Also since you know what should be discuss let us know.
December 5th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Big Sia says:
^ Sonned
December 5th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
TD says:
I’ll tell you what I do know, too many people get offended by what’s said on a message board, and it makes me laugh.
You can throw all your degrees and everything out there and you’re still gonna be the dude who spends 5 hours checking to see what’s said about/too you on the smack message board. Hilarious!
December 5th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
YOUNGFED says:
Yeah as long as I get paid alot to do it at work. Plus it’s entertaining.
And you’ll still be the dude at home with no life checking to see what’s said about/too you on the smack message board. Hilarious!
December 5th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
JLE 40 says:
Big Sia,
So you are saying all white dudes are not clutch? All white dudes choke? They can’t be taken seriously? Tell that to Larry Bird, one of the most clutch players in the history of the league.
Dirk has a tendency to disappear. That has NOTHING to do with his race. I know plenty of black players that don’t show up when it matters, too. Again, some dudes are just soft mentally. There is no connection with that and their race. You sound stupid saying things of that nature. Think, bro.
December 5th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
TD says:
You ain’t the only getting paid to bullshit at work
December 5th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
dagwaller says:
Hahahahaha, I can’t believe I just wasted 5 minutes reading all the posts you guys made on race, Dirk, etc.
Dirk was an MVP. It’s pathetic that some people fail to grasp that. And that’s that.
Racists come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. We’re all internet thugs, guys, and I really think that if all the posters on this site were in one room watching a game, it’d be really fun. I know I would LOVE to argue with Ranger, Bron, FED, Celtsfan, Gee, etc, in person.
December 5th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Three Stacks says:
@ rangerjohn
Yeah, you’re right, there are technically only 3 races in humankind, the three you mentioned. But whether that’s fact or not, a lot of people don’t like being labeled into such a broad category. Besides, while America is obsessed w/ black and white, the rest of the world focuses solely on ethnicity. Evidence is all the rivalry between European countries, or Asian countries, or African tribes, and so on.
December 5th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Three Stacks says:
What exactly is is that makes Dirk soft? He routinely puts up good numbers, carried the Mavs to the Finals a few years back (beating a few very good teams on the way), and then his team choked/the refs gave Dwyane the chip.
Yeah, his team lost as a 1 seed to GS, but that series falls on Avery’s shoulders more than anyone else.
December 5th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
dagwaller says:
Amen, Three Stacks.
December 5th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Big Sia says:
Dirk?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I14EJPCaEk
Enough Fucking Said
December 5th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
rangerjohn says:
lmao sia thats funny stuff!
3 stacks
you are correct is stating the USA is preocupied with black/white while the MAJORITY of the rest of the world is worried about ethnicity. my entire point has only been that if you are saying black/white or that you are not either then you ARE asian. my entire point was if you say you are not black or white but you are hispanic then you would be wrong.
you know it was more to see who actually pays attention here, who actually can read and comprehend an entire post or conversation, and to see who has even A LITTLE education. not to say the others are uneducated but come on the 3 races of humanity is soooo 9th grade. i have to say thanks 3 stacks at least there is 1 person here wwho paid attention.
December 5th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
frankie says:
Big Sia, you’re right – Dirk flops because he’s a weak and soft European white guy, Tyson Chandler is fundamentally unsound and fouls people cause he’s an angry black man! Man, I’m glad that you’re a racist, or else we wouldn’t be having so much fun.
December 5th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Bron42 AkA Your Moms Best Friend says:
*ranger, we all pay attention but while ur right, its kinda a outdated generalization..thats like saying a chinese person is the same as japanese and someone for PR is the same as a mexican. so for the kid to say hes NOT asian, isn’t really that wrong. cuz if i remember, didn’t all humans originate from africa? anyways i got my degree and havin to bring up all these history questions years later is makin my head hurt lol
*three stacks and dag, No one even knows why dirk won MVP. They change the standards every year…is it best record? is it overall best player in the league? is it the best scorer? is it the guy who would effect his team the most if he suddenly retired (kobe would have like 6) etc..its just like when nash won his the first time tons of people had better stats and were more important to their team but he still won it. Scoring doesn’t suddenly mean ur not soft. And stop dayin refs gave dwade the chip. Him droppin 40 in like the 4th and dirk missin foul shots to ice it and then kickin shit in the halls (him knowing he choked) are why dwade won the chip. Its just like Agent Zero missing his foul shots…he choked too, but even he has more of a killer instinct than dirk. Thats why i call guys like dirk and yao soft…their both legit stars but neither has that MJ,Kobe,Wade,Tmac,Shaq,Pierce etc..take over the game drive and which is why i don’t see them ever being great. They will always be stars because their the top guys of their culture to come to the nba, but i dont see them being hall of fame guys like the others.
December 5th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
vinny says:
@bron- tmac mentioned with those other guys, really???
December 5th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
haslem says:
I think big Sia’s holding some weight. I think most people didn’t realize the mans being a little bit facetious.
Dirk is soft no denying it.
December 5th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
NB says:
If Kobe had such a killer instinct, then why did he let his team lose by 40 POINTS! in the finals, no less. 40 Points!!!!
December 5th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
dagwaller says:
Bron, you say the same stuff over and over again, but the answers are right in front of your face.
“No one knows why Dirk won the MVP”. Yea, except for all the guys that voted for him. (Sounds of Bron crying)
Dirk is not soft, and Dirk is clutch. Here’s some stats to show you:
http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM
Third in the league last year. You’re a broken record about Dirk being soft and clutch, and you’re not alone, but you’re still wrong. Watch the games or check the numbers and you’ll notice.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
dagwaller says:
Oh, and as for your D-Wade points,
http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2007/08/word-of-day-superstar-move.html
there’s an entire video devoted to D-Wade doing offensive flops. If you’re really going to bring up how many points he scored in the 4th quarter, or of any full game in that series, feel free to see how many free throws he took, and the kind of “fouls” there were on him. Kthnxbye
December 5th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Three Stacks says:
If everyone who doesn’t win a chip is considered soft, then there are only 12 non-soft players in the L every year.
I dunno, no matter how I look at it, Dirk is a baller. Yeah, he’s big and his game is suited for the outside, but what makes him “soft” also makes him the most versatile player at his position. I guess it goes both ways. Like a bisexual.
@ rangerjohn, ttankhs for iknauledging my intellygents. Yoo ar smart, too.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
dagwaller says:
Also, there’s this
http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2007/07/word-of-day-stern-button.html
I realize that, while a fine site, basketbawful is not a final authority on these matters. However, for those that spend most of their time on the ground between Dwyane Wade’s legs, or get all of their news on the NBA from Dime (Dirk soft! Dwyane good!), it’s a pretty harsh wake up call to the fact that Wade has historically had one go-to move. And that is the “run into someone and hope that I get the call”, which won him a championship.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
GEE...Soggys all day! says:
Seriously?
December 5th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
gift of gab says:
what happened to that blunt? i can still feel the tension…
December 5th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Heaven Is A Playground says:
Fu*k Dirk. the dude is soft. You get Peja, Dirk, Pau, Nash, and Diaw versus Kobe, Bron, D-Wade, KG, Tim Duncun, who do you think would win? My guess is the Kobe and co. They have the killer instinct to finish you off. There ain’t no if or buts about that. Dirk is soft, and he should have not won MVP that year, and Nash should have not won two in row. Shaq dominated the league for countless years, and he only won one MVP, how sad is that?
December 6th, 2008 at 1:19 am
baron von faulk says:
GOOD LAWD!
I show up super late today and man alive at the hate! Yesterday = paltry bickering, today = racism, tune in tomorrow for some good ol’ fashioned GAY BASHING…
I finally made the Smack article with a quote, too bad I had to hijack it from a Will Ferrell movie (sweet beard of Zeus), ah oh well, I’ll take it
JURG = Borat, like Northern Lights said
Youngfed, a GED is not a degree, hahahell, jokin’
December 6th, 2008 at 5:53 am
Sweet English says:
@ Austin Burton man
if you pass the Mic to jurg i swear to god you can say goodboob Hi Hi to half of your readers man. (that means bye, btw)
As much as the dude makes me laugh,
1. he can’t talk english straight man. (not hating, dude i cant talk danish so i stay the HELL OFF of Danish basketball sites.)
2. He has already admitted that he hardly gets to watch any basketball because he lives outside the USA so how can his post be relevant?
3. I think it is YOUNGFED’s European alter-ego, and FED has had the mic once.
Thanking you muchly Hi-de-ho.
December 6th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Heaven Is A Playground says:
LSAT=path way to hell. lol
December 6th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
rkraicek says:
heaven is a douchebag haha
December 6th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
Heaven Is A Playground says:
Ouch…