NBA / Dec 24, 2008 / 11:00 am

Who’s Better: Marcus Camby or Andrew Bynum?

We argue. You decide…

MARCUS CAMBY (by Austin Burton)
Late last month, while Marcus Camby was posting a typical 12-point, 12-rebound, 4-block stat line during an atypical L.A. Clippers victory, one of the team’s announcers said, “I never knew how good he was until I saw him every day.” As someone who has already watched more Clippers games this year than ever before (thanks to Zach Randolph and Eric Gordon), I’d have to agree.

As that same announcer later said about Camby, “He just wins your team possessions.” In other words, having Camby on the basketball court is like a football coach having Ed Reed. He’s a ball-hawk. Whether it’s defensive rebounds or blocks where he keeps the ball in play, Camby increases your time of possession automatically. Better yet, watch when he gets an offensive rebound. Whereas a lot of big guys (Sam Dalembert immediately comes to mind) will get an offensive board and 90 percent of the time go right back up for a shot, Camby will often kick it back to his point guard, allowing his team to start over with a fresh 24. That’s a veteran move, one fitting of a true team player. And it pretty much sums up why, at this point, I’d take 34-year-old Camby over a lot of centers in the League. Of course any GM would take a 21-year-old like Andrew Bynum for the long-term, but a vet like Camby helps you win today.

Marcus Camby(Photo. SI.com)

Camby has made the NBA’s All-Defensive first or second team each of the past four years, leading the League in blocks three years running. He’s been producing consistently for several years, not just several months. Through Monday’s schedule Camby ranked second in rebounding (12.3 rpg) and second in blocks (2.8 bpg). Offensively he won’t give you much more than, say, Tyson Chandler, but he’s not a liability in that he tries to do too much on that end (11.2 ppg, 51.7% FG’s). Camby knows his role and plays it well.

Critics will say Camby’s numbers in recent years have been inflated because of the teams he’s been on: He wasn’t battling anyone on the Nuggets for available rebounds, Denver gave up tons of penetration which made for increased blocked-shot opportunities, and at the end of the day, was their defense ever really that good with Camby? To an extent, that’s true. Also, it seems curious that Mike Dunleavy Sr. hardly utilizes Camby to guard the other team’s top big man.

Thing is, just like with superstar scorers, the most important thing is to keep a star defender like Camby on the court. Sticking Yao or Dwight Howard for long stretches inevitably leads to foul trouble no matter how good you are, so like the Celtics do with KG, you want to pick your spots when employing Camby to stop an All-Star big. In the meantime he’ll live off weak-side blocks and boards, because as long as he’s on the court, Camby will get you the ball. And that’s all you really want.

ANDREW BYNUM (by Andrew Katz)
Here’s a fun little challenge: try to articulate how Marcus Camby scores. Umm … Well, he can kinda shoot that molasses-slow, ugly, over-the-head flat-footed jumper from 15 feet. And, uh, I guess he’s also good for a couple put-backs a night.

Andrew BynumAndrew Bynum (photo. Jeff Forney)

But aside from those half-hearted compliments, Camby’s offensive game is anemic. The guy’s a gifted shot-blocker and a talented rebounder, but he needs more than two dimensions to be called a better basketball player than Andrew Bynum.

Even if Bynum’s numbers are about the same as Camby’s (12.4 ppg isn’t much more than MC’s 11.7 ppg), remember that he plays with Kobe and Pau. That means there are probably less than five plays in Phil Jackson‘s playbook that are run specifically for Bynum to get a bucket. Maybe if this Laker team were still developing, and a couple of years away from the Finals, they’d work on getting Bynum more touches where he can score. But as Kobe famously said in Patrick Cassidy’s Dime #39 cover story, “Well, they know they gotta come with it. You know it’s … this train’s gotta keep moving. You either gotta be on the train or get run over by the train. But the train’s gotta keep moving. We want to win a championship and we want to win one now.”

That being said, it’s obvious that Bynum currently has some semblance of comfort with his back to the basket. Through Monday’s schedule he ranked fourth in the League in dunks with 50 — that’s only five behind Dwight Howard, and a cool 30 ahead of Camby. Add in that Bynum’s baby hook will continue to improve, and it’s easy to see this guy posting closer to 18-and-10 instead of the 12-and-8 he’s putting up right now.

Maybe it’s just me, but I need a power component to my center’s game. That’s something that you can’t teach — and it’s the biggest reason that Bynum takes about a free throw more per game than Camby. With the right work in the weight room and with the right trainer, Bynum can improve his motor; which is the biggest reason that Camby puts up higher rebound numbers.

Who do you think is better?

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12/9 — Derrick Rose vs. O.J. Mayo
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12/5 — Kevin Martin vs. Vince Carter
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  • jones

    ..also don’t get me wrong. AB is a good player, but he doesn’t have that desire to dominate the game either offensively or defensively. In fact, he doesn’t even have the makeup to do that.

    Camby has at least dominated defensively several times and his various individual accolades will attest to this.

    Oden has the build to dominate defensively. Only time will tell if that can materialize, but AB has had time and he’s proven himself to be SOFT.

  • Drink the Haterade (KB24 Chip 09)

    I guess the beauty of the Lakers players is that it brings out All the Haters!

  • Kudabeen

    Shame on you Jones…

    you bring Poppvich and Riley into this discussion where Camby has played defense under George Karl and Mike Dung-leavy… Coack Pop and Riles would have Camby coming off the bench if he was contantly getting worked over by the better front courts in the L…

    If all you do is two things…you should get stats in those areas…Camby doesn’t set good picks and he doesn’t defend the pick and roll well. Camby doesn’t command a double team…Camby doesn’t rebound in traffic…Camby rarely gets strong-side blocks, because he is to busy getting off the ground running back to defend his man after getting bumped on the other side of the rim…

    I’m not even a Bynum fan, so I’m done…

    I tried to drop knowledge in a Special Ed class, but no one really got it…imagine that…

    Professor Out!

  • jones

    …Or perhaps to fanatics of a ball club, reality is hatred.

    Kobe + AB = playoff failure due to softness.
    Kobe + MC = toughness to overcome Celtics.

  • jones

    Kudabeen…you may be right in saying that Camby may come off the bench for both Pop and Riles, but so will AB and AB will be third after Camby. He’s just too soft. I believe that was the point…a comparison of the two players, right?

  • Drink the Haterade (KB24 Chip 09)

    Just a question but who is Camby going to guard? He can’t guard Garnett and he’s not strong enough to guard Perk.

  • Kudabeen

    Jones:

    Is the D12 your talking about Dwight Howard??

    Oden “potentially” is going to be better than Dwight…Word??

    Special Ed indeed…

    Please stop using words like Desire, Tough, and such when describing Camby…There wasn’t a sever disease or illness that he was suffering from all those years he has missed…

    Camby’s success came in direct corellation to him joining horrible teams that had no concept of defense…

    Mentality should be as a Big…I get the rebound or my team

    Camby’s mentality…I get the rebound or the other team does…

  • Nora

    Camby and it is not close. Bynum has yet to do anything that sign ificant really.

  • Nora

    Drink, Bynum can’t gaurd either of them either.

  • Drink the Haterade (KB24 Chip 09)

    AB can guard Perk!

  • jones

    Kudabeen…I probably overstretched my Oden “potential” a bit… :)

    However the words Mentality, Desire and Tough weren’t used to describe Camby. Careful reading on your part will obviate my needing to point this out.

    Anyways, let us all wait for Lakers-Celts match up and get back to the discussion of AB’s softness.

    Merry Christmas. Out.

  • K Dizzle

    @ post 49 Who’s better RIGHT NOW?
    College awards? c’mon, playa, everybody knows the rules on this now. A center for your team right now otherwise I’d take Camby from 2000-2007 instead of AB right now…

    @ post 59 AB can’t guard Bynum? Really? Where did you get this info cuz I’ve never even seen them play…Please post the numbers from that game…

    @ Jones, you instantly lost credibility when you compared Oden and Bynum to Dwight Howard

    you call Bynum soft like you played him before and worked him and keep talkin “builds” like dude isn’t 7 ft, 285 just like Oden. opinions are good but throwin out some facts would help your argument…

  • Kudabeen

    I’m out, but I have to say I’m not hating on Camby…

    Camby is a quality Big, but we can’t stare at stats and declare him to be this beast.

    His numbers scream Dwight, Mourning, Dikembe, Garnett, but he has no post presence…no offense. His offense peaked his rookie year for a lottery team…Iverson Jammed on his neck…That is not respectful…

  • jones
  • Ross

    Healthy Camby

  • RonnaBonBon

    dime,
    should have saved bynum after christmas
    so EVERYONE could see how he plays in a big game
    a chandler and camby argument would be closer

  • http://www.myspace.com/beenobrown BROGDEN

    As of today, if I we was on the blacktop and I was a captain. I’ma pick Camby, the shot-alterator (that works, right?) ‘Cause when we’re going up n down the court you be can’t be winded man! At the end? With the game on the line?? You giving up freebies inside? You panting? You couldn’t get that rebound? Hellooooooo, we’re all down here. It’s 4 on 5. Come onnnn. DAMN! I knew I shoulda picked Camby.

    Granted Bynum can be a great big one day, surpassing even Camby.

  • vinny

    man i’m sorry i just read this,but what camby are u guys talking about-someone said not the camby in 98-he would be better than Andrew.-Not true!! Man he was always getting hurt!! thats why the knicks traded his ass- he doesnt provide a post presence!! PRESENCE-Bynum at 21 has more post presence then him. And @BROGDEN-on the blacktop Andrew would destory camby and his soft ass!!

  • http://www.nba.com Jay

    This is perhaps the most ridiculous “Who’s Better” feature you guys have put out. Bynum is probably one of the most overrated guys in the league. The guy hasn’t done ANYTHING but string together a dozen or so good games and half of LA is about ready to hand him the keys to the franchise.

  • JCARR “K1N6″

    CAMBY!!!!!!… DPOY!!!

    Bynum aint nothing yet…

  • http://www.alltexasforums.com rangerjohn

    lmao dime must have been board today cause this is a NC camby.

  • Skywalker

    right now not even close – Cambyman easily

    having Bynum back was supposed to make LA unbeatable but that hasn’t been the case. winning tomorrow against BOS would be a huge step tho.

    since Camby started playing C with no Kaman the Clips have been a far better team than the one that started the season. should have been the starting C from the start instead of PF.

  • jerod

    Camby is by far better right now.

    Bynum is an underachieving kid that got way overpaid by a franchise that is deseperate to find a Shaq replacement. Face it, if the dude is still inconsistant in his 4th yr, still gets 5 fouls in 11 mins & finishes with 3 pts, how good of a player can he really be? Bynum even has a 1 on 1 tutor named Kareem. He gets to know all the moves and tricks direct while other young players have to figure it out themselves. How many players are there that gets a $14.5 mil/yr extension averaging below 10 pts or 10 rebs in career and in the season (at the point they gave him the extension).

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