Cavs Livid About All-Star Selection ‘Fraud’
It’s a shamockery!Mo Williams‘ name definitely belongs on the All-Star snub list. But was he so deserving of a spot that his teammates are justified in going berserk over it?
* Ben Wallace:
It’s a tragedy. I think it’s an injustice. It’s a fraud. We’ve got the best record in the league, and we’ve only got one guy going. You always make it the next year, after the year you were supposed to make it. It’s a travesty and a sham and a mockery. It’s a shamockery.”
* LeBron James:
“It just shows the disrespect that basketball in Cleveland continues to get. I haven’t seen the All-Star list yet, so I can’t comment on who’s in it. But it’s definitely disrespectful that we continue to do work every year with nothing to show for it. They always say when you win, individual accolades will take care of itself. But sometimes it doesn’t happen.
Those are some strong words, none of which are more forceful than Wallace’s “shamockery.” If only he could have worked “travesty” in there too.
Source: Cleveland.com
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January 30th, 2009 at 10:40 am
fallinup says:
Travishamockery is the correct term.
But uh…yeah, I hope Ben and Bron are friggin kidding.
January 30th, 2009 at 10:47 am
fiyaman says:
i dont think MO should be in there so I dont see the big deal …
shamockesty
or
shamockeravesty
January 30th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Abe504 says:
Get over it, Once lebron leaves them, that city will cease to exist once again.
January 30th, 2009 at 10:50 am
iain. says:
Shamockery haha thats priceless! But in reality it isn’t really that bad of a snub. No one says anything about Nash being left out, but start squealing for a guy like Mo when he don’t make it? I know Nash aint what he was but cmon now. Mo Williams: Good 2nd option yes, all star, justifiably no.
January 30th, 2009 at 10:51 am
IGP says:
girls just wanna have funk
January 30th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Bron42 aka Haters drink my bath water says:
AND THEN…you lay a dud against the magic while lewis and nelson carve you up…hmmmm….
January 30th, 2009 at 10:51 am
loganlight says:
The fact that LeBron notices that Cleveland gets no respect might just keep him there. The idea of completely recreating the identity of the city is pretty marketable.
LL
January 30th, 2009 at 10:53 am
will says:
Why should they be kidding. Not that anyone on the list doesn’t deserve it, but with a record of 35-9 they gotta get more love than just Lebron. Cleveland gets no love, hell everyone thinks their homegrown superstar will up and leave them for more attention.
Although It doesnt help that Mo and Bron put up an egg last night in the old efficiency column.
January 30th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Bron42 aka Haters drink my bath water says:
ian, mo is a way bigger snub than nash, which shows mow how much nash has fallen off than it does how good mo is doin. the suns are suddenly average just by changing coaches and trading marion (even though shaq has replaced most of what marion has done) so the brunt of that falls on nashs inability to be more than a system pg who can’t play D just like he was in dallas when they were average.
January 30th, 2009 at 10:53 am
fallinup says:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzes12YwaTA
January 30th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Bron42 aka Haters drink my bath water says:
meanwhile mo goes to the cavs and they suddenly have the best record in the nba at the moment. I don’t think mo should be a allstar but hes more deserving than nash based on team record alone.
January 30th, 2009 at 10:55 am
MoxWestCoastRep says:
@LL
Or the idea that LBJ thinks Cle gets no respect might just be what makes him go to NYC. A place where he can truly be a global icon.
The reason Clev has that great record is because they have the best player in the league and a lot of good role players- not multiple all-stars.
Mo will be watching the ASG on tv- deservedly.
January 30th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Kobeef says:
I think Mo did a pretty good job last night of explaining to everyone why he is not on the all-star team.
Mo is a decent role player who like many 1990′s era bulls players did with MJ, is riding Lebron’s coat tail (he is the “luke longley” of the Cavs)
January 30th, 2009 at 10:57 am
karizmatic says:
Get out of here. Mo Williams is not an elite point guard, he’s a guy playing with Lebron. Lebron is doing the right thing though, pumping up his guy’s ego and confidence. Maybe Mo will go beserk for the rest of the season and they’ll win a championship behind it. But please there were more deserving guys who got snubbed. Namely Ray Allen. I would take AI rather than Mo Williams on the all star team too.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:00 am
fallinup says:
“It just shows the disrespect that basketball in Cleveland continues to get.”
Hey Bron, when is the next time you and your Nike comrades come to the Q and shower the people of Cleveland with free red basketballs, free “witness” T’s, and free hot dogs???!!!
Just wondering. Since the last time that happened, the people of CLEVELAND felt SO MUCH PRIDE and RESPECT after that.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:00 am
karizmatic says:
And I would go with Shavestockery if I was Ben Wallace.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Drink the Haterade (KB24 Chip 09) says:
Bron42 aka Haters drink my bath water says:
Yo hate where in vegas you from? I’m right off the strip by the orleans….
I live off the 95 and jones
January 30th, 2009 at 11:04 am
JoeCozi says:
What they really should mad about is A.I taking a starter spot…dude is done!! Detroit got WORSE since he got there and ive can’t even get off the pine in the 4th…ahhh what a fuckin joke!!! first all star starter I have ever heard of who has been consistently benched in crunch time!!…
January 30th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Drink the Haterade (KB24 Chip 09) says:
For all those who thought they wpuld take lebron over D Ho to start a franchise
THURSDAY’S WORST
LeBron James, Cavaliers: When he wasn’t complaining to the officials, he was busy missing shots, going 10-for-27 from the floor in a loss to Eastern Conference power Orlando.
Dwight had 22,18,2
January 30th, 2009 at 11:05 am
ur brother says:
bs…mo is not even that good as bron and ben r making… yeah i do hope that bron don’t really mean it,while i could care less bout ben, he sucks now
January 30th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Drink the Haterade (KB24 Chip 09) says:
Ben Wallace says
We’ve got the best record in the league,
Ben Wallace is Wrong! The Lakers do cause they beat the Cavs, so homecourt would go to LA
January 30th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Mark says:
Jason Terry. Biggest ‘snub’.
Bron Bron seemingly complains a lot for someone who’s decimating the league.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:10 am
d says:
the Craboliers (as Basketbawful calls them) are the WHINIEST team in basketball. It was pretty evidence last night how Lebron whines over no-calls rather than just playing through them. Apparently his spoiled attitude is spilling over to the rest of the team. People get snubbed all of the time. get over it.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:13 am
northern lights says:
@ mark, agreed. Terry has been solid.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:20 am
iain. says:
@Bron42
I wasn’t saying that Nash really deserved to be an all-star, but generally “system point guards” dont put up almost 10 assists per. Anyway that is a seperate arguement..
My point was i cant take these dudes bitching about Mo not being in the ASG seriously, when players SUCH AS Nash, Ray Allen etc arent there either. Mo isnt even near the top of the list of snubs. Heres my top 5:
Al Jefferson
Melo
Ray Allen
Kevin Durant
Turkoglu/Igoudala
January 30th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Bron42 aka Haters drink my bath water says:
@Kobeef, i’d say hes more bj armstrong/ randy brown? but then again mo was killin as a buck too but that gets overlooked alot..hes still not allstar worthy. Jameer only got in over ray because a) the slump the celts reactly had b)nelson has stepped up big recently as the magic who everyone said were pretenders crushed all the west teams and now the cavs.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:24 am
K Dizzle says:
@ post 19
Damn, hate…I wanna say it’s only one game but it’s sweet payback after like 150 posts sayin Lebron is the franchise and Howards are just walkin the streets waitin for a scout to come get em like Shaq in Blue Chips lol
January 30th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Drink the Haterade (KB24 Chip 09) says:
I agree K Dizzle—
January 30th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Kobeef says:
@Bron42
Ok..BJ Armstrong is a better player to compare to Mo Money but you get my point. Superstars make everyone around them better and Mo is currently benefitting from Lebron’s dominance.
As for Mo in Milwaukee, he was garbage there. I like some of the pieces in Milwaukee (Chuck V, Bogut, Redd) and it used to drive me insane to watch Mo put up his signature 3-17, 1 assist nights. The only difference between Mo in Milwaukee and Mo in Cleveland is that he hits more shots in Cleveland…because the other team triple teams lebron.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Octopus Jonny says:
I think Mo was more deserving when he was averaging 17 points and 7 assists as a Buck.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:45 am
control says:
Here is how it breaks down, Boston is like 80% split between the big 3, 20% role players. Therefore each of the big 3 is about 26.6% of the Celt’s production. Cleveland is 80% Lebron, 20% split between role players, meaning Mo is a decent chunk of 20% of the Cavs’ production. Mo isn’t one of the “big 2″ for the Cavs, the Cavs only star is LeBron, period. It’s good that you want to stick up for your boy, but Mo “Jesus Dog” Williams isn’t an all star snub…he’s exactly what he is right now, a decent role player.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Bron42 aka Haters drink my bath water says:
@k dizzle, lol not to mention the magic have beat the cavs 7 of the last 9 times they played.
@kobeef, i didn’t say mo was a allstar as a buck lol… just said we knew he could score if he was open and got shots..now hes just gettin the manu treatment since hes beside lebron so its more in the spotlite and people suddenly say hes a allstar(oooo gotta love the spurs snipe lol) Mo has always been a scorer who at times took dumb shots BUT he was a scorer before he got to lebrons side is what i was sayin. less efficient but he could still give you 30 on a given night.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:55 am
rlf says:
this is what happens when everyone says that the cavs are lebron and a bunch of scrubs, of course that’s not the case. those guys are very good players. but since lebron needs his mvp, he has no complains to make and also his teammates don’t have a right to say anything.
this was made possible by all the ‘it’s lebron and no one else’
none of his teammates deserves to be in the all star game, because after all, their great record is only because of lebron, right? it doesn’t matter that they didn’t have the same record before, that they started winning a lot with mo williams on the team, right?
January 30th, 2009 at 11:55 am
control says:
Honestly, Bargs on Toronto is more of an allstar snub than Mo Williams…Especially if you look at the fact he could get in as a center, and his production in January. 20ppg, 6rpg and almost 50% fg and 3p. Toronto doesn’t deserve two all stars though.
Mo isn’t doing anything special on the Cavs right now, when the other team’s defense revolves around stopping LeBron first, second and third, it makes it pretty easy to pop open Js. If Ray Allen were on the Cavs instead of Mo, he’d be averaging probably 25-28ppg on 55% 3pt. Ray Allen is a legit all star snub.
January 30th, 2009 at 11:55 am
fiyaman says:
@post # 10
u got me
January 30th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Diego says:
@#Bron42: And BJ made the allstar team (at least) one year!
Nash not getting picked was not a snub, it was justice thank goodness. I though he would slip in based on past (and on game being in Phoenix).
Biggest snub probably Al Jefferson, for M. West. (If Bosh makes it for lowly Raptors, why not Jefferson for lowly T-Wolves?)
January 30th, 2009 at 11:57 am
ctkennedy says:
why people keep sayin mo doesnt have a beef? his number r right there with nelson and if u go by the last three years his numbers r flatout better than nelson so he been doin his thing for awhile not a good 41games stretch if orlando got three why the cavs cant get two and three players got on with LOSIN records
January 30th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Bron42 aka Haters drink my bath water says:
@ct, cuz nelson has killed in the big games (minus the celts) meanwhile up until the celts, the cavs really handnt beaten anyone..they lost to the heat, they lost to the lakers, they lost to the magic, and they beat AND lost to the celts. Magic beat the lakers, cavs, spurs like they were kids
January 30th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Shamockery says:
Mo williams is not an all star – what does Ben know about shams anyway – He used to be an all star now he is a joke
David Lee
Vince Carter
Ray Allen
Paul Millsap
Steve Nash
all deserve to be allstars before Mo
January 30th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
rell says:
I can’t see why Wallace and Lebron is calling Mo a snub when his number is not even better than Nelson. He definitely doesn’t deserve to go over D.Harris no matter what’s the Nets record. Now Al Jefferson and Durant should complain that they was left off especially since David West made the squad.
It seems like the East coach chose their all-star’s disregarding a team’s record (picking Bosh, Harris, and Granger) and the West coaches chose only players who are in the playoff race (leaving off Durant and Jefferson).
January 30th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Clay says:
None of you faggot ass dudes no what you talkin about but a handful…And Dime only gets it right half the time themselves. I’ve yet to hear anyone from Dime state they were wrong about thier Mo predictions. Without Mo the Cavs this year would just be another slightly above avg team. Mo didn’t get the hype guys like Al Jeff or Jameer got so he’s on the outside looking in flat out…
January 30th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
fiyaman says:
@39..thats exactly how Ben knows cause him going from being an all star to what he is know is a
shamockesty
or
shamockeravesty
or
Travishamockery
I honestly forgot he was still in the league and I wonder how the HELL he gets to start..
January 30th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Celts Fan says:
they’re thinking, “We’ve seen Mo Williams gun it his entire career and only reign it in this year for 3 months. He’s been a selfish gunner and we won’t reward him for 3 months of solid play after years of being a dbag,” and they’re right. Do it the rest of this year and maybe next year he’ll make it. Not to mention, he’s just not as good as Jameer or Devin (or Ray or Vince who also missed out.)
January 30th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Kobeef says:
^^who let Clay Bennett in the Dime Blog
January 30th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
will says:
sometimes I wonder if anyone has seen a cavs game that wasnt against LA and Orlando when 2 starters were hurt. Mo is much more than a role player on this team. He runs the offense instead of just passing it to Lebron every play. He scores of the dribble as often as he does spotting up. He changed the entire tempo of the cavs’ offense. I’m not sure who I’d remove from the current list, but to say he doesn’t deserve it is ignorance.
Oh and “fiyaman” if you watched a cavs game you would know Ben does a hell of a job on D. If you weren’t such a stat whore you would see theres more to basketball to points.
January 30th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Bron42 aka Haters drink my bath water says:
@will, those are the only games that mattered so far…him puttin 40 on the kings isn’t worth watching lol…although i do agree, mo has helped the cavs ALOT…hes become what larry hughes was supposed to be…a gunner who can somewhat keep the cavs in the game scoring wise while lebron catches his breath. That bein said, he isn’t bigger to his team than devin and jameer have been. The cavs were expected to be a top team with or without mo.
January 30th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
fiyaman says:
lmao @will ..it seems like ur the one watchin stats cause i dont think in any of my posts I ever mentioned a statistic.. in fact if you go back an read all my other posts u’d see that I am against using stats as a way to determine if a player is good or not.. so it seems to me like ur the one who doesnt watch the game.. take the dick out ur mouth and u’ll see that its his ring and contract ONLY that is keeping him the L.. I’d bet my life the the cavs wish they didnt have to pay him that much and that when his contract is up he’ll be lucky to get the Vets minimum.. He’s not even as good as KURT FREAKING THOMAS…
How you like those stats groupie?
AND WHERE WAS LITTLE BEN LAST NIGHT
January 30th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
fiyaman says:
also u say they lost with injured players but thats when ALL-STARS step up, when their team is down. If he can only play good when he has his whole team then I think the definetly excludes him from the all star convo.. so u basically descredited ur own statement .. and u call everyone else ingorant
January 30th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Steve Gomez 10a-2p on Hot 104.7 Modesto, CA says:
I know this kinda off subject but Deron Williams being left off is a bigger snub than Mo. D-Will is damn near a franchise player.
January 30th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Chaos says:
man Mo aint one of the biggest snubs: there is terry, melo, ray, jefferson and rondo to consider before mo…mo is a player that can hit shots when lebron is being double or triple teamed and he benefits greatly for that.
plus lebron whine too damn much. he is 6’9″ 270lbs and cries over touch fouls! he is BIGGER STRONGER THAN MOST POWER FOWARDS IN THE LEAGUE. D-wade and kobe and AI get hit harder and go gets after it on D. they complain yea but they dont stop and complain, they get their ass back on D to get a stop and then the bucket. lebron done got that all star treatment way too long so when things aint going his way he bitch and moan about it.
MAN UP LEBRON!
January 30th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Lee says:
There’s a good phrase that I think applies here …
“Everyone thinks they have the prettiest wife at home”
January 30th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Bron42 aka Haters drink my bath water says:
@fiya, ben would be in the league either way..he wouldn’t get paid as much but he’d be in the league as a strong body at the most and a good locker room guy like mutumbo at the least.
@chaos..truuuuu
@will, tons of teams have starters hurt…farmar, pietrus, big z, tmac/artest/yao. More reason for mo to drop more buckets with less people to have to pass to
January 30th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
GEE..."Crying, flopping and wack coaches...it's in the game!!" says:
Houston up and checking in!
Ben Wallace says:
“We’ve got the best record in the league, and we’ve only got one guy going.”
Umm perhaps that is because that is the guy that literally carries the ball, I mean the team on his back often.
When Mo had his off nights it was all on “Duck my head, crab dribble, hit the lane and dunk LeBron”.
Yes Cavs you only have 1 guy going.
January 30th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
fiyaman says:
@Bron good lockerroom guy? i dont think so.. remember the fit he through about the headband.. i dont think a young team is gonna want that nonsense.. and a vet team could probably do without.. but ur right I can see a vet team signing him (i.e Spurs when Thomas retires ..lol
January 30th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
johnsacrimoni says:
Biggest snubs
Jefferson
Anthony
D Williams
Ray Allen
Vince
No Mo, no David Lee
January 30th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Bron42 aka Haters drink my bath water says:
@fiya man, which is why he woudn’t go to a young team, he’d go to the celtics or spurs or lakers or orlando and be that pj brown, mutumbo, etc…kinda guy. And he had a point about the headband, thats like phil jackson suddenly banning kobe from wearkin the calf sleeve or arm sleeve. Skiles was just power tripping and be was comin off a ring and a finals apperence. Hell if mark madsen, brian cardinal, brian scals,dan gadzuric till in the league, ben aint leavn anytime soon lol
January 30th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
R.ELI says:
Mo should be in instead of Iverson
January 30th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
IGP says:
honey, I funk the kids
January 30th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
IGP says:
Mo is a decent player, not an all star. obviously they are gonna bitch about it, and I would too if I was them, but he is not an all star.
January 30th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
tim says:
its a shamockery that Ben Wallce is making the money he is.
January 30th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
tim says:
the first thing Cleveland needs to do to be noticeable is change those horrible jerseys.
January 30th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
doc (i like kobe AND bron) says:
What the hell is Bron and Ben supposed to say?To those who never picked a ball up thats called sticking up for your teamate.The dude balling,they aint bitching about Wally they bitching about a dude that goes off once or twice a week.Thats what a real teamate do.And those talking about Bron complaining for calls.Cut it the fuck out.Tell me a star who Dont bitch after calls.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
jk says:
so lebron had not seen the list yet was critical of mo being left out… should get the facts before he starts talking…
January 30th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Brandon @ BB says:
Cleveland was a victim of circumstance. If Z had been healthy, he would have been selected.
Mo has played well, but Harris, Nelson and Rondo were more deserving.
January 30th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Bron42 aka Haters drink my bath water says:
and for all the celtics haters, ray allen got snubbed and you don’t hear them bitchin lol
February 3rd, 2009 at 2:14 pm
brownie says:
ray allen did get snubbed..and hes not complaining instead hes gonna be golfing while those other guards are sweating in a hot gym in the desert
February 10th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
bakedbeing says:
It ain’t about deserving, it’s about support, Wallace and James are getting behind their boy as they should. If he doesn’t make it to the team, when the dust settles he knows they have his back, and a scorer and distributor has to know the team is behind him.
February 10th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
bakedbeing says:
@66 Didn’t Ray get the callup when Jameer went down?
February 10th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
bakedbeing says:
@Bron42 comment 65:
On the other hand, Doc Rivers bitching about Ray Ray snub:
“I might be venting for no reason, but I just get that sense they’re being hypocritical because somebody who doesn’t make it on our group (sacrifices). (But) that’s what they did. They voted for numbers instead of sacrifice, wins and efficiency.”