NBA Trade Rumor: Josh Howard for Andrea Bargnani
J-Ho (Photo. Monte Isom)The web site HoopsWorld.com is reporting today that the following trade scenario is being discussed by the Mavericks and Raptors:
The Toronto Raptors have been looking for a small forward, and HOOPSWORLD has learned that they may have finally found their man. A deal being discussed would send troubled forward Josh Howard to the Raptors in a deal that would land Andrea Bargnani and Anthony Parker in Dallas, with a combination that could involve DeSagana Diop and Antoine Wright headed back to Toronto.
Howard has been brilliant at times for the Mavericks, even earning All-Star recognition two seasons ago, but it’s not Howard’s play on the court that has the team aggressively shopping him around the NBA. Howard’s admission of drug use during the playoffs was his first step out the door, with subsequent lapses in judgment helping the cause. More than anything, perhaps, is his inability to find his game within the Jason Kidd-run offense.
We’re liking this deal more for Toronto - they would get the do-everything guy that they clearly need in Howard. The Raptors were reportedly after Gerald Wallace a few weeks back, and if they can’t land him, Howard is a reasonable facsimile (although not quite the same on D). They would also add another big in Diop, in case they’re able to unload Jermaine O’Neal before the trade deadline.
From the Mavs’ point of view, it makes a little less sense. Isn’t Bargnani just Dirk Lite? They’d lose toughness (something they don’t exactly have in excess) and boards in exchange for what basically amounts to two more spot-up shooters.
Source: HoopsWorld
January 7th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Gunner Matthews says:
I can co-sign with this.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Chris Bosh says:
Yes please
January 7th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Spliff 2 My Lou says:
Good for Toronto, questionable for Dallas. Cuban is looking desperate.
January 7th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Brandon says:
Tell Josh Howard T-Dot got that good Piff in the summertime!!
January 7th, 2009 at 10:59 am
rodnets says:
Dirk and Bargnani will become Soft n Softer.
Toronto will get better. However Howard’s attitude is going to match JO’s attitude? Or it become a locker room issue?
January 7th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Brown says:
Howard would be great for the Raptors. Diop would be a good player for them too. Bargnani and Parker on the Mavs though? I know Mark Cuban is an idiot when it comes to actual knowledge of the game, but this just doesn’t make sense. They must REALLY want to get rid of Howard.
January 7th, 2009 at 11:03 am
the_don_mega says:
Dallas Softies???
January 7th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Kudabeen says:
I don’t see it…
Dallas would be losing out, but having two 7 foot shooters on the floor at the same time is sorta crazy…Not like they are Championship contenders…It wouldn’t be the worst thing I guess…
I think they could get more for Josh than Bargnani…
January 7th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Chaos says:
I like this trade for the Raps. This gives them much needed toughness off the bench and a true perimeter player (sorry kapono, calderon, parker,etc). josh can rebound, handle the rock and play decent D. this should make them alot better. the mavs are really relying on bass and dampier to be tough if this deal goes thru. i dont know who they would put at the three (unless their starting front line is dampier at 5, bargnani at 4 and dirk at 3).
January 7th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Kudabeen says:
post 4 is hilarious…
Just in the summer though? Too Funny.
January 7th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Mikey B says:
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE make this happen.
Sounds way to good to be true.
JHow we have the finest green and you can bash america all you want.
January 7th, 2009 at 11:14 am
dapro says:
Not a good move for Dallas but Toronto would wise to pull the trigger
Dallas would score with the best of them but they’d get bullied in the paint
Maybe things are worse for Josh than we think
January 7th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Brandon says:
Nah we gots it in the winter too, but he said he don’t smoke during the season. He should ask Mo Pete, Mo knows about the Piff in T.O.
He can even sit for the Canadian anthem if the wants, we will give him that pass..lol.
Who takes an Italian with the number #1 pick? come on Brain you’ve gotta make up for that one. Also stop trading for injured players…TJ & JO
January 7th, 2009 at 11:19 am
addy says:
yo post 4 is actually speaking the truth
January 7th, 2009 at 11:33 am
hoopsworld_is_garbage says:
hoopsworld is garbage. fans who pretend to be professional reporters. they are zero for 8 billion in getting trade rumors correct. you shouldn’t quote them as a source, it insults those of us who follow the nba closely
January 7th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Kobeef says:
Didn’t Canada almost legalize weed a few years ago? This could be Josh’s destiny.
Dirk for Bosh would be a better Toronto/Dallas trade. This makes less sense - Dallas loses defense and scoring and I don’t see that this makes Toronto much better.
Colangelo needs to accept that Bosh is not a good enough player to build a team around and look for a way to trade him while he is still considered a borderline superstar
January 7th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Sleazy-Yi says:
Bargnani is wasting away on the bench, he’s very productive when given minutes and runs the floor brilliantly giving JKidd a possibly more consistent running mate, hopefully they would have him and Dirk split time each playing the 4 and 5. Although in my opinion Josh Howard has still got plenty(!) of upside and just needs time also weren’t the mavericks wanting to trade Stackhouse? Bargnani for Stackhouse and some no name d-leaguer would be fair and give Toronto the veteran they need and a solid small forward. Anthony Parker is underrated.
January 7th, 2009 at 11:41 am
hoopsworld_is_garbage says:
Delete this entire blog entry, dime. There is a zero percent chance of this happening. Hoopsworld is never, ever right about this sort of stuff. The only time they get something right is when they re-word what some newspaper reported first. They like to pretend to break it themselves without giving credit
January 7th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Mikey says:
Josh Howard has decent season numbers, but he is terrible in any clutch situation. He is worse than Dirk in that respect. Is Bargnani or Parker any better? Not really, but maybe the Raps can throw in a draft pick.
I could see this being decent for both teams. It is obviously better for the Raps. They get the kind of big name SG that they want. The Mavs get to move away from the Howard-Dirk combo that hasn’t been working all that great.
January 7th, 2009 at 11:44 am
JCARR says:
It would def. make sense…. Dallas needs a another shooter, and bargniani would blossom next to Kidd and Dirk. Josh Howard would take the two spot in Toronto and they would get Diop and a big body inside.
January 7th, 2009 at 11:45 am
thomasmmm says:
i miss the old mo’ pete. he can’t shoot it anymore in nawlins.
January 7th, 2009 at 11:50 am
dukesman2000 says:
Mark Cuban, you are only allowed to make one bad trade in your career, which you already did. You traded D. Harris for Kidd. Please, do not make these same mistake twice.
January 7th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Average Dime Reader says:
Andrea Bargnani is from Europe, therefore he is soft. Despite the fact that I rarely, if ever, watch Raptors games, I know this to be true.
Meanwhile, Josh Howard has played in a whopping 20 games this season, 15 fewer than Bargnani. He is averaging .5 rebounds more than Bargnani - what a tough guy! Very clearly a “do everything” player.
Then again are their ages. Howard is at his peak - almost 29 years old - which is clearly good for the Raptors, who are contending RIGHT NOW! Then there’s Bargnani, who is barely 23. Both of these are bad, because everyone knows that athletic swingmen age very well. And everyone also knows that you can tell how good people are going to be when they’re 23.
Finally, you can tell this would be good just by watching the Mavericks. Fortunately, Toronto would be adding another huge stiff in the middle (does the exact same things as JO - great!). They would be the Soft Ice Cream frontcourt, chocolate flavor! 3.5 boards for a 7 footer is obviously a sign of toughness, which is exactly what Diop provides. Throw in the 1.7 ppg and this is a no brainer!
Pull the trigger, Toronto! All you have to lose is a 7 footer with versatility and potential! Dallas, you had your chance with this 1 time All-Star that is a public relations nightmare!
January 7th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
banga says:
Even if the raps trade Andrea and Parker they still won’t be a contender. I think the Raps are better unloading Jermaine O’neal and picking up a superstar in return if possible. They should send O’neal to New York and get Nate Robinson and David Lee in return. They’ll get scoring from a wing position, and Get a player that can grab boards. A La a better Kris humphries.. who I don’t think even gets playing time right now
January 7th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
TD says:
I agree with #23. Also with Dirk willing to take less money in 2010, JKidd has to take a lot less money after this year, and Stackhouse’s expiring contract, Dallas could have some significant cap room in the next few years.
January 7th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
the black mexican says:
banga…two funny things about your comment.
1. You think Jermaine O’neal could be traded for a superstar at this point in his career.
2. You apparently think Nate Robinson &/or David Lee classifies as a superstar.
January 7th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
rangerjohn says:
this is absolutely a terribel trade for dallas, I LOVE IT, GET IT DONE CUBAN!
are they nuts? howard and diop for barnani and anthony “my sister is better then me” parker?
dallas must be planning to tank the rest of the season?
January 7th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
reality check says:
hoopnation is a joke … this deal is not happening … check out doug smith’s blog at http://thestar.blogs.com/raptors/
January 7th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
reality check says:
oops I meant Hoopsworld … my bad
January 7th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Kobeef says:
@Rangerjohn
anthony “my sister is better then me” parker
Sad and true.
January 7th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Heckler says:
if the Mavs are gonna do a deal with the Raps….
..shouldn’t they just trade Dirk for Chris Bosh straight up?
ain’t Bosh a texan anyway? and i believe both their contracts expire in 2010. Dirk with Jermaine O’Neal would help both of them.
and Bosh with Josh Howard and Dampier would help all of them.
January 7th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Heckler says:
and then…for kicks and giggles..
dallas should send devean george and jerry stackhouse to toronto for anthony parker and jamario moon.
end result:
MAVS
jason kidd
jason terry
josh howard
chris bosh
erick dampier
…with a bench of barea, parker, moon, diop
RAPS
jose calderon
jason kapono
andrea bargani
dirk
jermaine o’neal
January 7th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
haslem says:
if mavs do this they aren’t even almost contenders anymore. This would be the most bizare one sided trade I’d ever heard of, if they really wanna shop J-ho that bad, they should get something semi decent back, maybe a good big man.
January 7th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
control says:
haslem
Pau Gasol trade is one of the most one sided trades ever. Vince Carter trade is close to Pau’s…I think Toronto ended up paying 10 mil to get rid of Vince, but his didn’t have the impact that Pau’s did.
January 7th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Kobeef says:
Dirk - for - Bosh!
Dirk - for - Bosh!
Do it Cuban!
January 7th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
George W Kush Sr says:
I like this trade for the Raps.
T Dot got shitty weed. The only reason why its good in the summer is because them French Boys from Montréal swing through in the summer, and you know this.
January 7th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Big Shot BOB says:
I love that Dirk for Bosh idea
January 7th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Ross says:
Exactly what rangerjohn said.
January 7th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
UltimateRaptorsfan4 says:
Yo if this shit goes down i am litteraly gonna commit suicide. Why im the hell would the raps want to trade Andrea Bargani hes obviously on the road to glory and everyone says hes gonna be like Dirk, so why would you want to trade an elite player like that. I think the Raps should trade parker and O’neal for Caron butler it will really help the raptors alot or they should trade those 2 for gerald wallace. Matter fact why in the hell would they go after someone like Josh Howard that guy has been playing like a 7 year old ever since he had that problem with the american anthem if they even get him i think its going to take him a while to get over that slump and get use to Canada and its atmosphere.
January 7th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
UltimateRaptorsfan4 says:
Your a fucking idiot pfffffft Dirk for Bosh, Dirk can suck Jason Kidd’s dick bosh is gonna be better in years to come and anyways Dirk is getting to be a old wangker
January 7th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Kobeef says:
@Raps Fan
Bosh is over-rated and the Raps need to trade him before the rest of the league finds out….ooops.
PG - Calderon
SG - Parker
SF - Bargs
PF - Dirk
C - J.O.
Save the Craptors. Trade Bosh.
January 7th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
hoopsworld_is_garbage says:
Why are you still talking about this crap? HOOPSWORLD IS ALWAYS WRONG. ALWAYS! They just post this garbage to trick people into reading them. The GM of the raptors and the main writers who cover the mavericks have all said hoopsworld has no idea what they’re talking about… and the hoopsworld writer who reported this rumor is the editor of the whole site! He’s always wrong! DIME, DON’T QUOTE THESE IDIOTS AGAIN
January 7th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
method526 says:
dealing smith to toronto is great on his end cause weed is basically legal there.
January 7th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
eaudebong says:
bosh will school you.
save the craptors - trade management
it could’ve been bosh and aldridge winning us pizza at the acc.
January 7th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Jau28 says:
what t-dot has bad weed? are you kidding me?!?! I can find HQ of weed for 25$ that would fuck me up till tomorrow! Do u know how many of us grow here? do you know how cheap we are and how great the value of weed is here? lolol anyways
NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. BAD FOR BOTH TEAMS.
January 7th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Buck says:
ok, i don’t get to see a lot of rap games but i saw them the other night vs my bucks. bosh is overrated by dime readers. very good player, not quite a superstar, with a little more room for improvement. dirk is by far a better overall player than bosh.
trade is bs but i’d do it if i was dallas. bargnani’s good, a lot better than j.howard, as far as what he can bring to a team. howard’s not much better than even parker.
January 7th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
buffalo balla says:
why doesn’t dime reporters have it’s own sources to get trade info from and have to depend on other half-assed websites to report rumors-shit I can start a damn rumor….
January 7th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
M. Cuban says:
“I can make as many shitty trades as I want. I’m a billionaire as well as the owner…I play REAL fantasy basketball and I’m rich, beeeitch!”
January 7th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
jnuh says:
Bargnani isn’t going anywhere.
Anyone notice he’s basically averaging 20 & 5 the last week or so since he’s been starting & getting solid minutes.
Just thought I’d point that out.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:52 am
LeBling says:
Lol at people saying Cuban is getting desperate. This was a rumor generated from the Raptors side, Cuban doesnt anythng to do with it
January 8th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Chris says:
A few months ago, this would look bad for Dallas. But Bargnani’s really coming into his own. He’s still wildly inconsistent. But then they ARE playing him at Center right now, which isn’t his natural position. But he has shown he can play the position. I think this trade would improve both teams, to be honest. Dallas has gone as far as they can with their Howard/Dirk combo. It’s time to make a change.
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January 9th, 2009 at 12:21 am
Raj Johnson says:
All i can sa is that I wish Gerald Wallace could have happened but I would settle for josh Howard and all his behaviour issues at this point. can the raptors PLEASE just get a single wing player that is actually deserving of being a starter and an option in this league.
Anthony Parker
Jamario Moon
Andrea Bitchnani
Joey Graham
are all scrubs and 6-8th players at best so get them the *&%$ out of here!
January 9th, 2009 at 4:18 am
s. money says:
if howard gose to the raptors its over for boston it will be clevland and the raptors playing to see who go to the chip dallas is already done this trade rumor is showing they are getting ready to start rebuilding lol i hate dallas and
January 12th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Soda says:
Colangelo would be shooting himself in the foot if he was to make this deal. Andrea will be one of the most dominant big men in the L in the next few years. He’s got way to much up side to deal him just yet. Howard would be a great addition to the Raps, as they need a wing that can score. But to give up a talent for a quick fix like Howard would be stupid.
January 12th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Soda says:
Colangelo would be shooting himself in the foot if he was to make this deal. Andrea will be one of the most dominant big men in the L in the next few years. He’s got way to much up side to deal him just yet. Howard would be a great addition to the Raps, as they need a wing that can score. But to give up a talent for a quick fix like Howard would be stupid.
January 12th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
K Dizzle says:
@ soda,
you must be watchin the celts game lol
but yeah, Raps can’t trade this kid. The light is on and he’s startin to click. Dude is playin defense, reboundin and puttin up 20 a game efficiently. No Calderon and O’Neal and Bargnani is ballin hard. Losin him for Howard would be a mistake
January 12th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
K Dizzle says:
clutch 3 to tie the Celts! That trade is squashed!!!
January 13th, 2009 at 7:52 am
BaRgNaNiFaN7 says:
nooooooo i dont bargnani to be traded hes been my fav player since i was 9!!!!!!!!!!! so glad he scored the threeeee with 1 sec on the clock vs the celtics so they betternot trade bargnani
January 13th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Soda says:
The real player the Raptors should trade is Jason Kapono. I really like J Kap, but if the team isn’t going to draw up plays to utilize his 3 ball, then you got to move him. He is a one dimensional player. For a guy that is 6′8 he sure as hell has no hops (ever seen him dunk?), nor does he have much take to the hole.
J Kap would look good on a team that is looking to make a deep run. Raps could get a piece they need to make them stronger down the road, which is where their direction should be focused. As much as us Raptor fans wanted this years team to be a contender, we’re not. Its apparent that the Raps have key holes in their line up. The most glaring is the lack of scoring from the wings. Graham, Moon, Parker all underachieving. Gerald Wallace from the Bobcats would look amazing in T.O.
I would move O’Neal, but I think nobody in the L would take his huge contract and injurys. Plus when he has been in the line up, he’s looked good.
Is it me, or is J.O. gone soft at his old age?
The latest injury didn’t look like anything. I bang my knees everytime I play. Wasn’t even his bad knee either.
Just making the playoffs should be the teams goal this year.
-s