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LeBron James, Dime #47Say what you want about Mike Brown as a coach, but the man at least knows where his bread is buttered. Have you noticed that any time LeBron James is on the wrong end of a questionable call, Brown flips out WAY more intensely than ‘Bron? Half the time, whenever Brown gets himself ejected from a game, he’s arguing something that has to do with LeBron. That said, here’s Brown after last night’s Cavs/Pacers controversial finish: “That last call, on the run, is the worst call that I have ever been a part of,” Brown said. “I cannot imagine another worse call than that. It was an awful call and for him to take away a basketball game from a team with 0.4 seconds on the clock is irresponsible.” … So what happened? After T.J. Ford drilled a pull-up J in Mo Williams‘ eye to put Indiana up by two with 0.8 remaining, Cleveland had it side-out. The play was to get LeBron the ball at the rim, and when Danny Granger tried to break up the lob, he was called for a foul. LeBron (47 pts, 15-21 FG, 13-14 FT) hit the free throws to tie it up, so with 0.4 left, Indy coach Jim O’Brien called the exact same play for Granger (16 pts, 5-18 FG). And of course, LeBron gets called for a foul while he challenged the ‘oop. Total make-up call, but at that stage in the game, ideally neither play would have resulted in a foul. LBJ was PISSED, and after Granger hit the go-ahead free throw with 0.1 on the clock, ‘Bron pretty much walked off the court and didn’t even look back as Granger missed the second FT on purpose and Cleveland didn’t have a chance to get off a shot … LeBron’s take: “For it to end that way, it’s definitely tough on us. You never want a game to end that way.” Brown added some more fire-and-brimstone and threw in the “Fine me!” dare. NBA TV’s Chris Webber compared the whole sequence to the WWE, and Gary Payton groaned, “That’s why I don’t like basketball no more.” You know if all of this had happened at the end of a Thunder/Wolves game, nobody would even care like that … In the first half, T.J. got the ball on a breakaway, with one problem: LeBron in his rear-view. What do you do in that case? Go for the layup/dunk and pray for a foul, or do the Rajon Rondo runaround and wait for the rest of your guys to get back? T.J. went with “A,” and got his layup eaten up … The first half of Nuggets/Heat was like a track meet, only Miami didn’t show up. Denver was flying all over the place and putting together a nice highlight reel on their way to a 20-point lead before the break. The capper saw K-Mart punch an inbounds alley-oop on Mike Beasley‘s head hard enough that Beasley later clobbered Birdman on a dunk attempt and injured him rather than get crowned again … The Heat cut the lead to four in the fourth quarter after things slowed down, but that’s when Chauncey Billups (23 pts) took over. Sticking threes over Mario Chalmers and muscling the rookie for driving layups — including one where he dropped Joel Anthony with an in-and-out — scoring 13 in the quarter and personally holding off the Miami rally …
Ben GordonNot to sound corny, but what an amazing night for the fans in Chicago. With legendary player/coach/announcer (and Chicago native) Johnny “Red” Kerr being honored with a statue and a Lifetime Achievement Award from the Basketball Hall of Fame, EVERYBODY showed up, from Michael Jordan to Scottie Pippen to Barack Obama (via satellite). The Bulls wore their red unis, and with old-school rival Detroit in the building, turned in possibly their most entertaining win of the season. The only thing missed was that Vinny Del Negro didn’t find any playing time for Lindsey Hunter, who was Kerr’s teammate with the Syracuse Nationals back in ’62 … The Bulls were down 10 with about three and a half minutes left, but closed the game on a 17-2 run. Trailing by one with about 20 seconds left, Derrick Rose kicked it out to Ben Gordon in the corner, who buried a three and got fouled by Rodney Stuckey, falling back into the Pistons bench. BG hit the free throw, and after Rip Hamilton (30 pts, 8 asts) and Antonio McDyess miscommunicated on a drive-and-dish that resulted in a turnover, Chicago iced it at the line … Knicks. Warriors. D’Antoni. Nellie. Nate. S-Jack. What did you think was gonna happen? In what was either the collective best offensive show or the collective worst defensive performance we’ve seen over the last couple years, the Warriors beat the Knicks 144-127 IN REGULATION. That’s just nuts. GS scored at least 40 points in a quarter twice, and hit for 39 in the fourth quarter. Surprisingly enough, there weren’t a lot of crazy individual stat lines: S-Jack scored 35 with 10 assists, David Lee had 27 and 11 boards, and Nate scored 30 off the bench … Other big stat lines from Tuesday: Kobe dropped 34 in a win over OKC, while Kevin Durant had 31 and 10 boards in the loss; Tim Duncan hung 27 points, nine boards, eight assists and four blocks in a win over New Jersey; Jason Kidd went for 15 points, 12 assists and four steals in a win over Sacramento; and Randy Foye scored 33 in a loss to Toronto … Good win for the Raps, but they got some bad news, as it turns out Chris Bosh (knee) will miss the All-Star Game. Mo Williams was named his replacement, which Mo deserves the nod, but now that’s six guards on the East squad and a handful of forwards who spend more time on the perimeter (Rashard, Granger, Pierce), that’s only two real bigs with Dwight Howard and Kevin Garnett. Looks like LBJ will be playing some PF in Phoenix … We’re out like makeup calls …
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February 11th, 2009 at 7:13 am
mavs all the way says:
don’t look now, mavs(31-20) on 6th place, creeping in to possibly 4th place (hornets at 30-19; blazers at 31-19).
i’d say VC should have gotten the nod over mo…
kobe youngest player to reach 23K.
February 11th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Dark says:
It’s a foul. Live with it.
February 11th, 2009 at 7:34 am
JRav says:
Marion was the one who fouled the birdman
February 11th, 2009 at 7:37 am
Ross says:
Matt Bonner had a clean break-away for a dunk, but Devin Harris had to foul him. I thought he was gonna tear down the rim.
Vince Carter vs Bruce Bowen was great last night. I watched that more than I watched the actual game. Its amazing how Carter on offense, was even dirtier than Bowen.
February 11th, 2009 at 7:43 am
rangerjohn says:
ROSS
i agree on both counts. bonner was not gonna T-MAC himself on that rim, he was going for a nasty tear the backboard down like shaq lmao.
its funny everyone says bruce cant defend anymore, carter was going off until bruce got on him and he score i think 4 more points the rest of the game.
February 11th, 2009 at 7:54 am
Kobeef says:
Kevin Love sucks.
He got outplayed and outran by Jermaine O’Neal who has artificial knees.
The stats don’t tell the whole truth. Love looks like a fat kid when he runs and couldn’t get shots off when he was guarded by defensive specialist Jason Kopono…
February 11th, 2009 at 8:02 am
fiyaman says:
Lebron and MIke Brown are a bunch of pussies.. they act like no call can go against them..
Lebron’s take.. ‘”I thought the one call on Granger against me was questionable. There was definitely some contact, enough for a whistle to be blown… But it could have gone both ways. The last call against me was not questionable at all. No contact was made. The pass was short. You couldn’t go to the rim,” James said. “There was no way he could catch it and go up with four-tenths of a second. I was able to get a hand on it. Being the competitor I am, to have a game taken away like that, it hurts. It definitely hurts.”
yeah that doesnt sound bias at all.. the call against Granger could have went either way but the same exact call against him was not even close..
its the other way around..
I used to like LB but all this bitchassness is ridiculous,, he needs to go to the WNBA or dont play on days when he’s on his period
February 11th, 2009 at 8:04 am
that's whats up says:
Mason and Bonner are straight ballin’ lately.
I know that’s an obvious statement but I never thought I’d ever say that about Bonner.
Dude can shoot.
Pop pulls him out of games if he passes up open shots. Now that’s a coach I want to play for.
February 11th, 2009 at 8:08 am
SEANY_T says:
Loved Kobeef’s comment about Kevin Love. Anyone else think Love looks like a stretched AJ from the Sopranos???
February 11th, 2009 at 8:10 am
rodnets says:
Mike Brown is LBJs biggest fan. LBJ is the main reason why he has his job, so he will defend him with his life if necessary.
In Jordan times, he got away with every questionable call. In times of KB24 and LBJ, it seems they get some, and whine the others.
Peace
February 11th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Dagomar says:
Lebron is whining about the call because there is no way in hell he gets the calls Kobe does. And there’s no way in hell Kobe gets the calls D-Wade gets. I’m not sure if that has to do with their respective sizes – Wade would go flying much more easily than Lebron – or their flopping ability, or their golden boy images, but can you imagine this call ever going against Wade? Hell no, and especially not against the Pacers.
February 11th, 2009 at 8:38 am
GEE..."My Beat is eva boomin and you know I get it started?!" says:
See that is where those coache challenge flags would work. Perhaps help out at least.
I know when I threw it out there last time folks scoffed, but I really think it would help. Even if it’s not exactly throwing a challenge flag, at least have something to help make an outcome like that come out as fair as possible for that Pacers W.
I still feel the Pacers should have won but that was just to crazy of an outcome. LOL @ the crab dribble fiasco and now two inbound fouls all involving James.
I wonder if LeBron does go say in 2010, and you know how the media tries to bait you into comments about ya old coach, I wonder if he will say somethin on Mike.
Tonights games are going to be good.
Everyone know that J.R. Smith is taking Rudy Gay’s place in the dunk contest right? I mean he is good but I can think of some others I would rather see first.
February 11th, 2009 at 9:00 am
will says:
Lebron complains a lot, but it comes with the territory of his size. He gets destroyed and gets no call because it looks like it barely fazes him. Kobe complains just as much on no calls, but you don’t notice because theres rarely a no call for him.
Mike Brown needs to shut up. If he wants to win that game he should teach Andy not to run across the court to help in the post when his guard is a known 3 point threat. Andy looked clueless on that all night. Coach Brown should have fixed that.
February 11th, 2009 at 9:01 am
FK in T-Oh says:
David Lee should have taken Bosh’s tick in the ASG…
February 11th, 2009 at 9:06 am
YOUNGFED...."I'm the truth pimpin', miss me with that fake sh*t" says:
Rasheed should have gotten Bosh’s time in the ASG.
February 11th, 2009 at 9:12 am
YOUNGFED...."I'm the truth pimpin', miss me with that fake sh*t" says:
Also DIME I got a great idea to celebrate your fans and bloggers here. You guys should rent a gym and invites your readers to play a lil pick-up game. I loved to fly down to NY and Give yall buckets (lol). Plus I wanna see if some of these guys on here can live up to their screen names. Just an idea I thought of to show your apreciation for your loyalist.
@Dime Fam
What yall think?
February 11th, 2009 at 9:37 am
QQ says:
LOL at the Lindsey Hunter line.
February 11th, 2009 at 9:39 am
calvin brodus says:
Pussy fouls are getting real fucking tired. In the past couple weeks you got Bynum on Wallace, West on Miller, and last night Marion on my boy Birdzilla. I understand a “no easy buckets” philosophy. But some of theses maafuckas are starting to hit way too hard when guys are in vulnerable positions. Crash has a busted lung, Birdman missed the rest of that game and probably tonight as well. Weak.
@Gee
I hadn’t heard that JR was in the contest. JR’s got some UPS. He’ll do just fine replacing Gay. Gay is always in the dunk contest anyways. I still got the Centaur taking it this weekend.
@FED
Damn right I’ll live to up my screen name. I‘ll keep that whole damn gym cloudy and leave everybody with the redeye and an unsatiable hunger. Probably wouldn’t play ball though.
February 11th, 2009 at 9:45 am
GEE..."My Beat is eva boomin and you know I get it started?!" says:
Snoop yea JR does have UPS but I wonder if dude is an “in-game” dunker. If he is as creative as his tatoos with the dunks then I guess he will be good. Still I really wanted to see that Joe Alexander dude. Oh well.
I got Dwight getting it again too, he knows how to entertain and plus dunking is easy for him.
February 11th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Ian says:
something to think about
i just finished a blog of the top ten players after the michael jordan era
(or last ten seasons). some of the comments i received were about people
telling me that they didnt look at kobe bryant that way but its all true why do
people call him arguably the best in the game and a top all time player and
dont talk the same way about garnett. why garnett?? heres the thing when shaq left
kobe became the best player on his team the only thing kobe could do was take
his team carry it sometimes to the first round and lose or miss the playoffs
all together and be a lottery team (something that a team with shaq or duncan
will never do). garnett carried minnesota to the first round of the playoffs
and lost or miss the playoffs like kobe. all of the sudden both of them get 2
allstars as team mates and turn into contenders. in fact garnett had made the
conference finals before something kobe has done ONCE. both are all nba players
both are top 5 in their positions alltime. so the question is why do people
think kobe is the best and the second coming of jordan and think of garnett
as being solid but not top 15 alltime material? im not sayin we are underrating
kg im sayin we are overrating kobe. stats and team success dont lie and yet
some fans (or fan) on this site say kobe is a top 3 player alltime that all
the others top 10 players resume cant stack up to kobes i mean wtf? in fact if it
werent because kobe was lucky enough to play with shaq we would be sayin
kg is a better player or that tmac was kobes equal. the only diff is the kg and
kobe played their careers backwards like someone pointed out but at the end its
still the same. talk about double standard.
this isnt for the kobe hater or lover its for people that look at things from
both sides.
February 11th, 2009 at 10:00 am
E$ says:
Grang vs James showdown, too bad the refs took over
February 11th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Heckler...formerly 'yallallreadyknow' says:
ian–
there is no reason to defend kevin garnett’s credentials to anyone. if they dont what KG is by now, they’ll never know. let em kick rocks.
same for kobe. kobe is easily the most hated and targeted player in the nba (more than iverson, artest or rasheed). and he still delivers all the time. no need to defend kobe career achievements or credentials either.
post jodran era, the top five have been:
Shaquille O’Neal
Allen Iverson
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Garnett
February 11th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Ian says:
heckler
those are the top 5 but in diff order
duncan
shaq
kobe
iverson
kg
but i think i can flip kobe and iverson
theres no way u can have iverson over duncan hehehe shaq was debatable up till 05 more or less but duncan has remained the same shaq hasnt.
btw good comment
February 11th, 2009 at 10:24 am
rangerjohn says:
heckler
is that in order or just random? because if it is in order you got your order messed up. AI especially needs to drop, timmy and shaq maybe even at the top
February 11th, 2009 at 10:26 am
that's whats up says:
I hear JR Smith is gonna do his signature dunk in the contest.
He takes off from the free throw line and inks a new tattoo on the ball before dunking it
February 11th, 2009 at 10:38 am
Mamba says:
@ Fed – I’m always down to hoop I’m in
Best part of last night for whoever caught it was Derrick Rose getting a nasty pick set on him, then CWebb blew him up in the studio! Talking about how he should have kept his mouth shut and kept playing. In fairness to D Rose though he took a shot. Mavs starting to make some noise, but its still the Mavs so I wont get to scared yet.
Tip of the cap to my boy for breaking the 23,000 mark. Now lets go get one in Utah! P.S. Deron Williams is not getting enough run, dude is ballin’ right now!
February 11th, 2009 at 10:49 am
BROGDEN says:
Timely night for the potential “20 and 10″ CLUB MEMBERS:
Tyrus, 22-10
KD, 30-10
David Lee, 27-11
Foye was WETTIN’ ‘EM last night! Illllll! But they lost, eh.
Kapano – ahhhh, the pure shooter is such a necessary component for a winning team. Hats off to Kapano. Tough D. Big Shots. What more can you ask for. 7 for 10 FGs, 3/5 on 3′s, 18 POINTS in 22 minutes. Jason’s a winner – just givin’ props where props are due.
Troy Murphy – ahhhh an EFFECTIVE 18 and 15 night, on a sub-100 point game. Good Hustle Troy! I like to see a lil’ bit of Ill Mill in a basketball player.
Matter of fact, I just came across this…PACERS have now beat the Lakers, the defending Champs, the Cavs and the Jameer-ful Magic — they’re the only team to do it.
So, GOOD SH#T PACERS!
Looks like that the EASTERN SCRUBS know for a fact they can still get that 6th, 7th and 8th spot. Logically speaking, numbers wise, Indy, Ny, Bux, Bulls, and the Bobcats are still in the thick of thangs.
February 11th, 2009 at 10:50 am
YOUNGFED..."My neighborhood was the roughest, but still I remain. Just kept stackin' my change remained the same." says:
@Mamba
looks like we’re the only real ballers most of the other posters must only talk about it and ain’t really all about it. huh still it would be fun to go down there and break a couple ankles just for braggin rights (Yeah Austin im looking @ you) (lol)
February 11th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Sanpitch says:
Cleveland is acting like they are the only ones who have ever gotten screwed by a bad call (or no-call) at the end of the game. STFU and join the rest of us.
I’m a Jazz fan and am still pissed at the Jordan push-off of Bryon Russell. But you know what you deal with it and life goes on. You can piss and moan but it won’t change anything other than people’s opinion of you.
It’s nice to see Brown care about something. But you have to wonder if it was Varejo or someone else who “fouled” would he have went off on that tirade?
It’s kind of nice though to see Lebron get B-Slapped by the refs.
February 11th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Chaos says:
Man LBJ need to stop whinin. I saw two of the exactly same plays with two of the exact same fouls that niether should have been called. Both had body contact in the air. It was a make up call for a foul that shouldn’t have been called. Screw these superstar gimme calls. That shit was fairin the end….the refs are to blame for even starting that whole thing. I bet the pacers coach tried that play to try and get the same call on purpose
February 11th, 2009 at 11:27 am
bookkwormmaster says:
@ YoungFED
Cool idea my dude. Dime should definitely put some consideration into getting that set up. I’d relish the chance to get to see my game compared to other players other than GA. I got that Tony Parker tear-drop on lock
February 11th, 2009 at 11:31 am
SayItAintSo says:
@Ian
One word…CLUTCH! If you were in game seven of the NBA finals, would you choose A or B to win it all:
A) Kobe Bryant (clearly known for his offense), with the ball, down one.
B) Kevin Garnett (an all-time great because of his defense) guarding the man who is going to take the last second shot.
That is all you know. You don’t know about the other players on their teams or the teams their playing. If that is all you knew, you’d be stupid to choose KG. You’d even take Kobe in the defensive scenario over KG in the offensive scenario.
KOBE. PLAYS. TO WIN. THE. GAME.
KG, is intense…ok a little crazy…alright downright scary and competitive but it just doesn’t click for him like it does for KB24
February 11th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Ian says:
sayitaintso
lets start with the fact that kobe shoots 25% in that situation gets me thinking of who else is on my team. now if that were true about the clutch part is that the only reason one is considered that way and the other isnt?? and why doesnt it click for garnett??
February 11th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Ian says:
but your right i wouldnt choose kg but more because hes kg than the fact that the other dude is kobe
February 11th, 2009 at 11:46 am
SayItAintSo says:
Well then there is your answer. If you’re not doing it because you’re worried about Kobe’s clutchness, you’re doing it because you’re worried about KG’s LACK of being clutch. Question answered, problem solved. Kobe > KG
Good day sir.
February 11th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Ian says:
sayitaintso
im not sayin kobe is not better than garnett im talking about how people look at them
February 11th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Ian you crack me up how you bring up the whole first round thing ALL THE TIME..
So after Shaq, Fisher, Horry, Fox, Payton, Malone, Madsen left Kobe was supposed to take his team to the playoffs when every other team smelled blood?? GET OVER IT.. Kobe made it past the first round and he will again this year..
And if GARBAGE ass Kwame Brown doesnt fall for Tim Thomas’ dumb ass pump fake from the 3 we make it out the first round THE FIRST TIME BACK and have a the biggest upset in playoff history..
You always bring that first round shit up and we had a JV squad out there.. So what is it now?? Kobe wouldnt have made it out the first round without Gasol??
Thats all you got pal.. But lemme guess Tim Duncan ALL BY HIMSELF has never lost in the first round.. TIM DUNCAN ALL BY HIMSELF has made sure the Spurs never had a losing record..
Gimme a break..
February 11th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Ian says:
omg lakeshow
really did u understand the idea of the post??? wow
let me ask you something was grant hill considered the best player in the 90s?? because he got detroit in the playoffs but never advanced , so did garnett in minny , so did tmac in orlando. so why do people think kobe is the best and didnt think the same of the others. DOUBLE STANDARD
in fact ill play your game for a while so gettin outta the first round once gets u the best title???
give me a break sir
if jordan posted the same numbers he did and didnt win a title he woulndt be considered the best so check your bs.
February 11th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Ian says:
btw loved how u bring up duncan when this has nothing to do with him.
i guess ill take good players on bad teams than good players on great team because they are alone and u keep posting excuses why u didnt advance. my man truth u didnt advance because kobe with a 3-1 lead didnt do shit he took what 2-3 shots in the second half?? finals 25 pts lead and choked them away?? that is reality if kobe played for the kings we wouldnt even be having this debate
i crack u up because im posting what your best player has really done? please man
February 11th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
LakeShow84 says:
And the whole percentage you seem to be in love with, what 25% right, dont mean shit when it comes to the big shot.. thats regular season stats..
If you are in the Finals and you need a big three just to hold on who would u want to take the shot? Kobe because he did that shit from like 25 feet out on Rip when we lost to Detroit..
If you are in the Playoffs and you need a big shot to tie and its 2 on 1 would u want kobe to take the shot?? Kobe over Diaw and Bell in 06 (i think).. And then he even hit the game winner in OT..
like i said Stats can say anything if you tweak the formula just right..
Kobe is a killer and he always will be.. Its one thing to hit a game winner over Toronto in a regular season game and another to hit a game winner when you got MILLIONS watching and Booing/cheering and your on the big stage..
So drop that 25% shit you seem to be in love with..
February 11th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
doc (i like kobe AND bron) says:
Both calls were bullshit.But dudes on here talking about stop whining get that hate out yall blood.EVERYBODY thats a star in the damn league bitch about calls.EVERY SINGLE ONE.So if yall only watch Cleveland games you might say some shit like that but if u a real fan u see Wade,Kobe Duncan Shaq,KG,AI,all them motherfuckers bitch 5 times a game just like Bron.Yall dudes need a hug or a dicksuck or something.
February 11th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Ian says:
question to non laker fans or kobe haters.
compare iverson philly career to kobes post shaq career whos better and why?
February 11th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Ian says:
drop the 25% im love with hahahahaha thats REALITY dude has like 9 game winners outta 40 plus attempts that is not tweaked that is reality. percentages are realityyyyy
would i want a dude that hits 60% of his threes taking a game winner or a dude that shoots 20% but hit a game winner last week?? if u pick the last one u sir are a fool.
dont come here bashing because u didnt understand what i meant with the kg comparison
February 11th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
LakeShow84 says:
My best player has
3 Rings
1 MVP (soon to be 2)
Multiple NBA FIRST teams
Multiple first team defensive teams
Scoring title
STUPID scoring records
Shit ill even throw in the a couple All Star MVPS.. and hes only 30 with a lot left in the tank.. yeah your right.. what has he dont to separate himself from KG..
February 11th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Im not bashing, your repetitive..
but i still like you
February 11th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Ian says:
i said post shaq
kg has multiple nba first team
1mvp
multiple defensive first teams
in fact a defensive of the year award
twice outta the first round
allstar mvp also i think
SEE WHAT I MEAN
iverson in philly
finals appearance with the worst team ever
scoring titles
mvp
nba first team
allstar mvp
SEE WHAT I MEAN
February 11th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
doc (i like kobe AND bron) says:
They careers are about the same with that logic Ian 1MVP,1All Star MVP,1Finals ass whipping,a couple 1rst round ass whippings.I get what u saying dog.But u gotta know them LA fans wont ever say anything less than Kobe is the best ever.It’s not even worth arguing.If the Pacers wouldn’t have whipped LA ass already u know we would’ve seen like 50 Kobe would never lose to Pacer comments.They was waiting for Bron to miss them freebies at the end too.Yall know yall was.They said Im dumb for thinking he fakes injuries but when Paul got so called hurt in the finals last year he was the biggest faker in the world.Like u said its a double standard.Where Bron 42 at.I need a doctor opinion on something.I was gonna bring this up before these posts so Im not just adding on but.How long does it take for a dislocated finger to heal?I really wanna know because Kobe shit been hurt for more than a year now.But every game I watch he throwing that shit down like Shaq or swiping at the ball hard as hell like he dont feel no pain.Can u explain that dog?
February 11th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
LakeShow84 says:
And if the Fans, Players, Media, Nation, World and Universe all say Kobe is the player you want to take the last shot then hey..
Run with your stats pahtna..
February 11th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Ian says:
@post 45
LOL thanks for that makes it harder to argue now shit
that works like “dude u wouldnt hit a man with glasses” damn.
February 11th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
doc (i like kobe AND bron) says:
Yall think these players dont know or care what people say about them.Them dudes read blogs and shit all the time.I know a lot of cats in the L trust me.
February 11th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
doc (i like kobe AND bron) says:
We all know who we would let take the last shot for a W though.
February 11th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
SayItAintSo says:
I do believe LakeShow just raised his pimp hand to Ian’s face.
P.S. Ian, 25% of 40 is actually 10…not 9…but minor details. And I’d much rather have Jason Kapono, Steve Novak, Kyle Korver or (insert random three point specialist here) taking a three against my team at the end of a big game than I would Kobe…especially if it’s contest, but even if it’s a wide open, uncontested, game winning three…I don’t want to see Kobe taking that against my Blazers. I’d be skurrrrrrred.
February 11th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Ian says:
doc
that is what i was tryin to say my post wasnt about bashing one player or praising one is the double standard of things
tmac in orlando
kg in minny
kobe post shaq
iverson in philly
had more or less the same career and people call kobe the best ??? wtf that is double standard thats is why i call him overrated u can be arguably the best and still be overrated.
lakeshow exactly thats why hes overrated remember the clutch post doug called someone an idiot because he said reggie was better for a last shot than kobe. ill ask u think both on the same team would u have kobe taking the game winner over reggie??? prob NOT.
February 11th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
LakeShow84 says:
DOC i aint a hater, i dont care what Lebron does in the East.. i only care when dips tell me he is the best player in the world when he doesnt have the gut and determination to be so.. hes got to earn it IN MY EYES..
Why dont you just admit you dickride Lebron?? HARD..
And of those two players you two are comparing.. Iverson and KG.. who is still carrying their team?? who is still on the same team?? and who is still getting MVP’s and so on?? So in a sense Iverson and Garnetts (beside D) accomplishments are pretty much behind them.. KB still doin all the shit he was 5 years ago..
And he had torn ligaments in his finger last year, which he needed surgery for Doc.. i have no idea how long that shit takes.. he does yak that shit hard still lol
February 11th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Ian says:
sayitaintso
lakeshow did actually raise his pimp hand lol
thanks for the math btw lol u know what i meant when u round it up its 25 not 2489787767 what it gives but thanks.
i rather have kobe shoot a three than a wide open kapono thats a layup for him. but u being a blazers fan i know where u r coming from lol.
February 11th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Oh sorry Doug but i would want Reggie taken the last shot..
Reggie had some straight balls..
February 11th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Ian says:
lakeshow
im talking examples of players that werent considered the best in the nba when they did the same thing kobe is doing now. im not sayin whos the best now of those players. get it? maybe its when i translate to english what i want to say that something is lost.
what kobe has done since 05 iverson did in philly and kg did in minny but they werent considered the best. WHY?
February 11th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Ian says:
reggie takes the game winner for me over everyone else evah and if its a three no contest dude can hit from mid court ask the nets.
February 11th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Bron AKA chocolate thunder says:
@lakeshow, KG has just as man MVP trophies as Kobe. And the 3 rings STILL don’t count that same cuz he hasn’t won shit without shaq. Were talking post shaq. YA kno, since its been Kobes team..he hasn’t won shit. plan and simple…no what ifs…no “we’ll get it this year”…you HAVN’T WON SHIT.. hell tmac has scoring titles and scoring records. Like ian said, kobe was up 3-1 against the suns and then had a bitch fit and decided not to shoot and left it up to smush parker. Find me one series where jordan was up 3-1 AND LOST….tmac did that too…
February 11th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Bron AKA chocolate thunder says:
keep in mind, I still think kobe is number 1 in the league (even over duncan) BUT since shaq left town, lets not make it like the lakers have done anything special until recently and they still blew it then
February 11th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Ian says:
bron
thats all im sayin i wasnt bashing why does kobe get that treatment when all the players i mentioned have done the same???
and i still have kobe as a top 3 player so its not like im sayin he sucks but we look at him diff because he got to play with shaq.
February 11th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Listen people
All i am saying is that right now.. At this moment.. Kobe Bryant is the best in the NBA.. There is no one else you fear more when he gets going.. It might not be a high percentage or boards or assists but only KOBE BRYANT will break you down with his will.. If he gets hot and scores 50-60+ you LOSE.. some players have hot games and this is just for EXAMPLE, Lebron last night scored 47 and still lost.. Iverson can score 50 and his team will lose..
But when Kobe gets hot its a wrap.. and if they catch up you can guarantee he will hit the game winner.. If lebrom gets hot can you guarantee he would hit the game winner?? Hell nah.. you would be 50/50 on it..
February 11th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Bron AKA chocolate thunder says:
iverson: regular season mvp, one finals apperance, few scoring titles
Tmac: scoring titles, took bad teams to the playoffs only to get knocked out in he first round.
KG: regular season mvp, one ring, defensive first team, dpoy, stats similar to duncans.
Kobe post shaq: scoring titles, one regular season mvp, one finals appearance, 2-3 first round exits…
wheres the big difference..
February 11th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Ian says:
lol lakeshow thats all fine he might be the best but again why werent the players i mentioned considered the best? apparently kobes will only applies to the regular season. hey dont get mad after june if the lakers win things are diff
February 11th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Ian says:
bron
there is no diff but kobe got to play with shaq and kobe plays in LA damn looking at it now kobe might be the equivalent of jeter who got to play with tino , paul and bernie. if kobe played for the kings he would be considered as good as iverson or kg if jeter played in kansas city no one would know his name.
February 11th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
LakeShow84 says:
And that 3-1 loss to the Suns was a bad example Bron..
KB played like a TEAMMATE the WHOLE series and we crumbled.. plain and simple.. He only scored 50 in game 6 because Bell was suspended.. then game 7 he had to play like a teamate again because Bell came back.. No one showed up besides Odom and we lost..
And i am not stupid.. Kobe has nothing on MJ.. It isnt even that close considering the eras and rules.. But If Kobe wins 5 more rings and can do it at the level he is right now then it would be a better arguement.. but thats impossible..
February 11th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Ian says:
in fact bron come to think of it if kobe had been the man his whole career u might be able to draft kg ahead of him to start a team i mean theres no diff in team sucees but u get a big man
February 11th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Bron AKA chocolate thunder says:
i agree, just like when i called lebron a-rod the corporate robot lol….You do know i’m agreeing with your argument right ian? lol
February 11th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Ian says:
5 more rings damnnnn lakeshow
but again this is about how people jugde kobe not the others this isnt really about what he does or doesnt do is about the kobe image.
February 11th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Bron AKA chocolate thunder says:
@lakeshow, kobe quit in that series, plain and simple. Decided he didn’t wanna take a shot to prove a point. If you disagree with that your a super homer…And you said urself, kobe can go for 60 and win, so how come he couldn’t do it in ONE of those 3 games after already bein up 3-1..
@ian, ya lost me there lol
February 11th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
LakeShow84 says:
You guys refer to post shaq like it was 10 years ago lol
And you act like Kobe wasnt the MAN when SHAQ on the team.. Shit wasnt that the problem??
February 11th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Ian says:
lol yeah and u right arod is the bron of baseball all image but they sure can put up some monster numbers lol.
hey funny is that i have arod as the third best player in the majors like bron is the third best for me in basketball heheheh
February 11th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Ian says:
lakeshow its been a while now and comon shaq was the best player on that team no argument there.
February 11th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Bron AKA chocolate thunder says:
@lake, i was long enough ago to show kobe wasn’t winnin anything soon without him meanwhile shaq went and found another sg and won right away. And Kobe was NEVER the man on the team when shaq was there. HE was pippen. The reason the issue started is cuz kobe started to WANT to be the man and steppin on shaqs toes. Cuz like the stats say, what have the lakers won since shaq left?…
February 11th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Bron AKA chocolate thunder says:
shaq found a way to duplicate what kobe did in wade…kobe hasn’t found a way to duplicate shaq
February 11th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Ian says:
bron all in all lakeshow is one of the few lakers fan that we can have an argument without bein blinded by love for kobes nuts.
February 11th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
doc (i like kobe AND bron) says:
@Lakeshow-U see that dunk Kobe did last night he looked like fucking Shaq out there.But I dont dickride nobody,I just think Bron tough as shit on that court and got the potential to be one of the best ever.I just defend him because its already a billion LA fans on here that wait for him to fuck up so they can talk shit about it.U never seen me say he is better than Kobe u seen me say I would rather have Bron on my Sixers than Kobe.But I still say Duncan the best in the league until he fall off.Because Boston got 3 HOFers on they squad that was equally sharing the spotlight in the playoffs.Kobe got the prettiest moves but I cant call him the best because he got smashed in the chip and that dont happen to the best player in the game in the manner that it did.(39 point ass whipping and him quitting).But if he win the chip this year he will silence the critics but I dont think yall can do it with them sweet ass bigs yall got.@Bron shouldn’t his damn hand healed by now.I need a doctor’s opinion.The way he use his hands it look like that shit fine to me.
February 11th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
LakeShow84 says:
You must not have watched that series Bron.. dont speak on it..
But yes i will give it to ya..
Kobe quit the second half of a game 7 after CARRYING his young GARBAGE ASS teamates who basically became overwhelmed and crumbled mentally themselves having a 3-1 lead against a 2nd seed team.. Dont forget it would have been an upset already..
February 11th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Drink the Haterade (KB24 Chip 09) says:
are we really arguing about this? Come, on…
I won’t even comment…
@ Youngfed, I’m down, but I don’t ball anymore, I just coach.
February 11th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Wow so your saying Wade is “just another SG”??
That dont sound like a doctor speaking.. So who carried the Heat in those Finals??
And i thought Kobe was doing his whole scoring thing (3 Point RECORD, 5+ 40 pt games, etc, etc) when Shaq was still with us??
February 11th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Shit if Dwade dont break down in the next 4-6 years and gets talent around him he is in the HOF..
February 11th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
doc (might be going to Sixers or Warriors summerleague team) says:
Haterade no argument,we found a LA fan who aint COMPLETLY BLIND,except for not admitting Kobe quit against the Suns that year.But shit I felt Bron quti against the Spurs too.They both bitch up when the going gets tough.When they get down they quit before.Its in the books.Thats why as good as they are they both have doubters and will until they prove otherwise.
February 11th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
doc (might be going to Sixers or Warriors summerleague team) says:
Lakeshow -It dont matter what stats he put up,Shaq was the man on that team cut it out dog.Kobe was the fan favorite because everybody like the little guy that can make it look good,but teamwaise Shaq was the one.Thats why as soon as Kobe stepped on his toes that dynasty was a wrap.They should’ve won at least 6.
February 11th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
BROGDEN says:
KOBE’S section in Springfield will be BIGGER than Magic, Bird, Kareem, Hakeem, and other GREATS.
His section won’t be bigger than MICHAEL JORDAN’S.
But after Jordan, TRUST ME – Kobe’s gonna have a BIG AZZ AREA in Springfield where you can marvel at his achievements, look at his clips where you’ll see his many GAME WINNERS, and you’ll probably see some kind of “LIVING LEGEND STILL PLAYING” sign somewhere.
We can argue all we want. Kobe this. Lebron that. At the end of the day…
Kobe’s the closest to MJ.
*comparisons and contrasts i guess are good for the “fan” side of the sport but PURISTS know there’s only one MJ, only one Kobe, only one Lebron, only one Dwight, only one Shaq, only one Timmy, only one TMAC (Yes, TMAC has a spot in NBA history, not sure about the Hall) only one KG, only one Iverson…Magic…Kareem…
Conventional wisdom, in today’s NBA says Kobe takes the last shot. Maybe, Lebron.
25% in Clutch situations is good. Ryan Howard just got awarded a fat contract for hitting the baseball only 25%.
Still, conventional wisdom aint always the way to go.
I remember Jameer taking that last shot against Oklahoma in the Tourney and bricked hard. Conventional wisdom says Jameer SHOULD’VE taken that shot. But, in my opinion, I thought it should’ve been Delonte.
My 2 pennies.
Lebron keeps improving…he’ll get a HOF FATTIE SECTION too…laced with clips of his GAME WINNERS and a copy of his REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE showing he was born in ’78 – LOL
February 11th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Shit i dont even like Kobe this much to be defending him like this!!! lol
I agree with DOC.. Lets all just say Tim Duncan is the best in the NBA until he really falls off..
February 11th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Ian says:
hehehe i would like to hear dougs take on this since hes the opposite to lakeshow
February 11th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Bron AKA chocolate thunder says:
doug would just start callin people stupid and idiots….its like arguing with my niece..
@lake, He gave up…let it soak in and accept it. Although I still love kobe just for dunkin on “mvp” nash that series. And did i say wade was just another sg? I said shaq replaced kobe. kobe hasn’t replaced shaq. Shaq knows who he can get it done with..he had penny, he has kobe, he had wade and now hes tryin to get traded to the cavs….the point is, shaq got his ring after kobe so we can’t really hate on him…but SINCE shaq left, kobe hasn’t won anything….for whatever reason…as great as he is, his ring count has be a goose egg since shaq left…its fact.
February 11th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Drink the Haterade (KB24 Chip 09) says:
doc (might be going to Sixers or Warriors summerleague team) I’m not blind… Kobe’s got some serious flaws, just like LBJ. Shaq was the man when they played together, you could tell by the way Shaq played if they were going to win. When Shaq had 18 combined rebounds and blocks they won. I just thought that Shaq never tried hard enough to be better. Like he was content.
I will say that Kobe has that grace and LBJ is that raw power, but I’ll take either one. But see I could win with LBJ, I coach better than Mike Brown.
February 11th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Ian says:
brogden kobe is not better than those players u mentioned or at least most of them but people like him cuz hes a guard that has a flashy game. that 25% thing u compared with howard is badddd howard is overrated (like kobe in the clutch) hes a first base adam dunn that plays in a hitters park and hit behind rollins and utley go ahead and swith pujols for howard , pujols gets easy 213 rbis with 90 hrs in that lineup.
in fact calling kobe the closest thing to jordan is not good at all how about calling him kobe instead of comparing him to someone else. u mentioned magic is kobe better??? hell no u mention hakeem , would u start a team with a hakeem over kobe??? hellz yea.
lol lakeshow i like that that i say duncan is one because neither of the 2 players people say are better have won when kobe starts bringing rings in then hes 1.
February 11th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Ian says:
drink if u say u can coach better than brown u r selling yourself short brown sucks.
lakeshow second time u kinda agree with me lol first it was the gasol thing.
February 11th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Drink the Haterade (KB24 Chip 09) says:
All I’m sayin is that I could coach and LBJ lead team to a chip
February 11th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Drink the Haterade (KB24 Chip 09) says:
All I’m sayin is that I could coach *an* LBJ lead team to a chip
February 11th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
LakeShow84 says:
I just figured it out Ian!!
Ur a Spurs fan and you hate Kobe because he OWNS you guys!!
Am i right??
February 11th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Ian says:
yeah i know what u meant i was just messing bro
February 11th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
YOUNGFED..."In Detroit they call me the black Phillip Drummond" says:
@Drink the haterade
It’s cool if you don’t ball no more you could still design some plays for us. But most plays would end going something like this, “Pass the ball to FED and get out the way” lol
February 11th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Ian says:
youngfed
nice to see u run the dominique offense on your team
February 11th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
doc (might be going to Sixers or Warriors summerleague team) says:
@hatorade-Wasnt calling u blind.If I call out an LA fan for something its a billion of yall to choose from.What u said is the truth Kobe has the grace,Bron has the raw power.The people are always gonna wanna see grace over raw power.Which is why guys like Wilt said nobody likes Goliath.Bron got Goliath strength and nobody likes that which is why he gets bashed for not going between the legs spin move then up and under just because Kobe does it.Thats not his game.@Ian-I would pick Keem over Kobe to start a dynasty thats real wrap right there.
February 11th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Drink the Haterade (KB24 Chip 09) says:
Youngfed, I’ve found that most people like to run and gun, I remember when I was playing I hated it when coach would tell us to walk the ball up so we could go into the low post even if we got a steal. When I recruit here at the HS schools, I just ell them we’re gonna get a lot of fast breaks. I define their roles (like if you aren’t a 3 point shooter you don’t shoot them) and then I tell them we are going to trap and get out on the break, we do run some motion, but I really like it when my guys are on the break, when we play a trapping d my guys play more aggressive on offense and when we don’t play aggressive D they play non aggressive o.
February 11th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
doc (might be going to Sixers or Warriors summerleague team) says:
Something tells me fed is a gunning ass.Do ya thing pimp.I jack sometimes too.Back in high school I remember my coach sat me out for the 1rst quarter for some bullshit(Smoking weed in the bathroom lol).If it was a good coach okay but I played for the hood school and my coach was a damn crackhead we gave no respect.We called him Master Splinter because he looked just like him.Anyway when I got in the 2nd quarter I shot everytime I touched the ball until he took me out in the 4th and had 66.
February 11th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
doc (might be going to Sixers or Warriors summerleague team) says:
Thats a good style to have and true about aggressive d leads to aggresive o drink
February 11th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Ian says:
doc
big men win rings i can name 7-8 centers id take over kobe to start a team and some of them wouldnt be higher than kobe on an alltime list.
February 11th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Vinny says:
Ok so if Drink coaches 1 team I’ll coach the other. I aint coaching fed cause he aint passing! lol.
February 11th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Ian says:
drink i personally like the slow offense (suits my style of play) gets me a chance to set up and it works for the team i play for here (we have the same teams for months even if its a league just for fun).
February 11th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Ian says:
vinny how u been long time my man
February 11th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Drink the Haterade (KB24 Chip 09) says:
OK Vinny I’ll coach Fed, if he doesn’t listen, I’ll just sit em. But I am sure we will be just fine, I have Doc thrown to Fed for the oop all day.
February 11th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
doc (might be going to Sixers or Warriors summerleague team) says:
Yeah haterade-I’ll drop them dimes off to Fed all day.We can get Bron to so he can be our trainer/horse.
February 11th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Dean says:
Coach Brown would be coaching HS if it wasn’t for Lebron! Bread & butter NO DOUBT!
February 11th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
AB_40 says:
SHAQ 4 ASG MVP
the playfield for HORSE isn’t as nice as I thought it was gonna be