Anything You Can Do…
LeBron James (photo. Mannion)We’re going quick, fast and in a hurry with Smack this morning; some of the Dime crew has to catch an insanely early flight to the West Coast for major, magazine-related business, which you’ll all get a good look at in the near future. Besides, there were only two games anyone was really paying attention to last night … The first was at Madison Square Garden, where LeBron James took his turn destroying the Knicks on the heels of Kobe‘s Monday night epic. The final damage for ‘Bron: 52 points, 10 boards, 11 assists — depending on what you appreciate as a basketball fan, arguably more impressive than Mamba’s 61-pointer. As Dime’s Pat Cassidy put in after the game: “A 50-point triple-double? That’s absurd. The two best players in the world having their own little pissing contest at the expense of the Knicks.” … LBJ insisted beforehand he wasn’t trying to one-up Kobe, but it didn’t look that way once the game started. ‘Bron was in attack mode early, dropping 20 points in the first quarter as the Knicks announcers even pointed out that Cleveland’s offense was a little more standstill than usual as LBJ took his time picking out his spots. It wasn’t your standard LeBron scoring barrage, either (17-33 FG, 16-19 FT). His jumper was on-point, and a great deal of his buckets came on pull-ups from long range … But the biggest difference between Cavs/Knicks and Lakers/Knicks was that New York didn’t cower into a corner and cry this time. Cleveland appeared ready to administer a piecing in the first quarter, but in the second they got sloppy with the basketball and Al Harrington made up the difference by abusing Anderson Varejao (“He’s beguiling, be-deviling him,” said Clyde Frazier). Eventually Mike Brown put LeBron on Harrington (“Looking to put some chill on Harrington’s thrill,” said Clyde) and cooled him down a bit, but Al ended up with 39 points and 13 boards. He was the main one who kept the Knicks in it, until ‘Bron took over in the last few minutes by getting to the rack, getting to the line and dishing to open teammates … Jay-Z was in the crowd, sitting one seat away from Diddy. And while Hova got plenty of camera time, we don’t even think Diddy was mentioned during the broadcast … So after Kobe on Monday and LeBron on Wednesday, Friday it’ll be Paul Pierce‘s turn. He opened his mouth over the summer and put his name in the discussion; now he’s got a chance to keep it there …
Kobe Bryant (photo. Chris Sembrot)Meanwhile, Kobe was going up against the Raptors, and we all know he’s capable of doing even more disgusting things to them than drop 61. He appeared to be running heat checks early on, too, but it wasn’t going to be that kind of night. The Raps were clearly determined not to let Kobe light them up, even if it meant leaving Derek Fisher wide-open on the perimeter or Pau Gasol (31 pts, 15 rebs) single-covered on the block … Not that Mamba didn’t put in work. He ended up with 36 points, and late in the fourth he stuck a couple of daggers to keep Toronto at arm’s length as they were threatening … The bigger issue for the Lakers: Their defense has been pretty bad since Andrew Bynum got hurt. The Knicks slapped 117 points on them the other day, and last night the Raps went for 107. Even without Jose Calderon (hamstring), the only time the Raps weren’t clicking on all cylinders was after Chris Bosh went down with a knee injury in the fourth quarter and, as one of the announcers said, “Everyone is looking around for someone else to do something.” Joey Graham (24 pts) looked like an All-Star against L.A.; one time he went baseline and crammed it on Gasol with two hands, prompting “JO-EE! JO-EE!” chants from the crowd … Does any player make his home crowd groan more than Andrea Bargnani? It seems like almost every time Bargnani has a chance to make the crowd explode — either at the end of a good offensive sequence, or taking a shot in a big moment, or on the receiving end of an amazing pass — he blows it. Not saying he’s a bad player or anything, because he’s been doing his thing this year, but his flair for the dramatic is lacking … Highlights from the rest of the Wednesday schedule: Stephen Jackson posted a triple-double on the Suns, going for 30 points, 11 rebounds and 10 assists in a GS win; O.J. Mayo scored 32 as the Grizzlies upset the Rockets … Without Chris Paul (groin), the Hornets got cracked by Chicago as Derrick Rose scored 21 and generally had his way with Antonio Daniels; Without Jameer Nelson (shoulder), the Magic still cracked the Clippers, getting 25 points and six threes from new starter Anthony Johnson. The Orlando announcers said AJ would probably get a lot of open looks since teams feel free to double more on Dwight Howard, and he definitely capitalized … Deja vu in OKC, as once again Carmelo Anthony nailed a game-winner right after Kevin Durant (31 pts, 8 rebs, 7 asts) hit what was supposed to be the game-winner. ‘Melo (32 pts, 11 asts) trumped KD’s go-ahead bucket with a runner in the lane with five seconds left … Finally, we got this from Philly.com: “It was recently reported that, while the Pistons were in Minnesota, Allen Iverson and some friends made a trip to the Shakopee card club. The story also said Iverson took $50,000 to the casino that evening. No biggie, right? Except that, according to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, Iverson took a cab home — then gave the driver $50 for a $54 fare. Guess he didn’t do so well at the tables.” Um, takes money to make money, right? … We’re out like New York’s pride …
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February 5th, 2009 at 2:51 am
Luigi says:
Kobe was shooting Lights out.
LeBron was mostly driving.
but as the people will say it. the box score tells the story.
when it really didnt.
if u watched the game. you probally said “nice pass” atleast once or twice
Kobe was shooting lights out over defender over defender.
But what do i care? im a wiz fan so yeah. i love both of these players alot. but honestly..
Kobe is STILL the best until he retires and theres nothing LBJ can do about it. unless he scores like 100pts n wins the title can change my mind.
thats my opinion about it
February 5th, 2009 at 2:53 am
Luigi says:
wait wait wait. typo. Both players were shooting lights out but Kobe’s was more impressive
February 5th, 2009 at 2:54 am
Gunner J. Matthews says:
Just wait until Paul Pierce or Rat Allen shoots the lights out in MSG.
February 5th, 2009 at 2:55 am
Gunner J. Matthews says:
@ luigi
Kobe scored more point but had 0 boards and 3 assists.
Lebron had a triple double.
Lebron clearly was more impressive
February 5th, 2009 at 3:00 am
knoc says:
ouch 52 with the tripled double. are you kidding me???
February 5th, 2009 at 3:05 am
bill says:
what be more impressive is the celts holding the knicks under 60 while they go 100 and pierce and allen don’t do jack all…cause you know celtics 09 champs dont waste times with chumps like the knicks
February 5th, 2009 at 3:07 am
Luigi says:
yeah you guys are prob right. it may be impressive to you. but Kobe had me yellin n screamin out loud alot so yeah. im used to LBJ just driving alot n when he hits his shots hes on
LBJ gets atleast 25+ pts on drives n FTs.
If LBJ is on fire. or has his shot. he gets 45-50+ pts
February 5th, 2009 at 3:18 am
the_don_mega says:
the title should’ve read… “WHATEVER YOU SAID BRUH…”
February 5th, 2009 at 3:19 am
the_don_mega says:
i see more that 200 posts today on whose performance is better… and AI needs to lay off a bit with his gambling… he might end up like Sir Charles…
February 5th, 2009 at 3:21 am
mrkolous says:
both were similarly impressive, are you kidding? those are the two best in the world showing exactly why they’re regarded as such. i still like kobe’s jumper more than lebron’s though.. just sayin.
February 5th, 2009 at 3:31 am
testiclees says:
i still think kobe was more impressive. it’s hard to explain. lebron is a beast athlete. you watch him half-expecting nasty things. less suspense/drama. kobe is a great a athlete too, but he has more of a wtf factor.
when i watch lebron do something insane, i shake my head and appreciate his greatness. when i watch kobe do something insane, i shake my head and sorta wonder what just happened
February 5th, 2009 at 3:32 am
Big Sia says:
The duel between Kobe and LeBron in the for the #1 spot is fascinating.
20 years down the line, Ill probably be telling my kids about this week.
The question is really really tough to answer. Statistically, it would be impossible not to give it to LeBron; although Kobe hit the 60 mark, 11 assists and 10 boards is just disgusting.
Thats statistically, on paper, LeBron had a better game. But a better performance is different, especially since Kobe was more effecient in 1) Scoring 2) Winning. And while LeBron looks like he had to force his way to 52-11-10, Kobe did it with style and grace that got MSG on its feet. No MVP chants for LeBron.
Tough, tough question. Id probably still go with LeBron, no matter how ugly it was (in comparison to Kobe).
11 assists!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qyRYkvvSz4
February 5th, 2009 at 3:33 am
Mister Sun says:
big lol @ jermaine o’neal blocking 9!!! shots.
I really thought he couldn’t even jump anymore.
looks like the heat can trade marion for him now…
February 5th, 2009 at 3:35 am
trips says:
Saying that LeBron has a jumper is like saying Pac and Big are still alive together somewhere, smoking weed together, and both plotting to come back to making music because faking their deaths had run its course.
February 5th, 2009 at 3:38 am
Big Sia says:
Trips, Ask G-State if he has a jumper.
February 5th, 2009 at 3:56 am
Hey, Jugs from Timbuktu says:
ask chuck hayes if chuck hayes has a jumper
February 5th, 2009 at 4:07 am
KB24 says:
@ Hey, Jugs from Timbuktu
Thats cold…..Chuck hayes….haha…
Dime Should really ask Spike Lee for his opinion since he was Court Side when both of these insane performances happened.
February 5th, 2009 at 4:10 am
sparkyJay23 says:
Both impressive i like the triple double more though. Call me when Kobe and LBJ do this to a contender – this is like beating a retard (or juggs!)at poker….
February 5th, 2009 at 4:28 am
trips says:
If he had a jumper, we wouldn’t be discussing this right now. I’m not hating on Bron, I think he’s a freak of nature beast, but let’s face it, the reason why he’s scoring so many points is because a) he’s a beast when it comes to scoring near the rim b)he gets to the line a lot
With the ball in his hands, he can win a game 9 out of 10 times IF he gets near the hoop to take the shot. Other than that, fughetaboutit. Remember when his first buzzer-beater was so hyped? It’s only because he doesn’t take them as much as he could. Sure everybody will say that he only does that because he can, but let’s face it, let Bron shoot jumpers all night is one of the best ways to neutralize him. I don’t hear the same argument for Reggie Miller, RayRay, Kobe, hell even Danny G’s jumper gets more respect than Bron’s, and the dude isn’t even on the national or international radar.
Sooner or later a) teams will find a way to let Bron get his from jumpers or b) his athleticism will give and he has to rely on his J, but look at His Airness and see how he redefined his game. I’m just sayin. All the Bron nuthuggers can go eat a fat one.
February 5th, 2009 at 4:30 am
Soopa says:
I didnt watch the games, but by looking at the stats id say LeBron had the more impressive game. 61/0/3 vs 52/10/11, id say its clear that 10 rebs and 8 helpers are superior to 9 points.
And did you see who close Durant final shot came to falling? He gonna be a baaaad man! The Thunder are becoming one of my favorit teams. Whats not to love about Durant/Green/Westbrooke?
February 5th, 2009 at 4:35 am
mavs all the way says:
…i can do better. nuff said.
February 5th, 2009 at 4:37 am
mavs all the way says:
haha! hey hey jugs jugs, sparkyJay23 just mentioned your name and a retard in the same sentence. Man!
February 5th, 2009 at 4:58 am
mavs all the way says:
@ Soopa, i know, that durant-green-westbrooke is becoming a favorite. two,three years down the line they’ll take over this league.
for the sake of argument, who else do you think is out there? i’d say…
grizz – mayo, gay, conley
wolves – al jeff, foye, love
nets – harris, lopez, anderson
pistons – stuckey, maxiell, amir
sixers – ai, speights, young
clips – gordon, thornton, jordan
magic – dwight, jameer, lee
hawks – horford, smith, williams
pacers – granger, diener, hibbert
bulls – rose, thomas, noah
grizz – haddadi,darko,miles. wait a minute.
February 5th, 2009 at 5:11 am
Big Sia says:
VC-Lebron-Lopez-Harris will terrorize the league
February 5th, 2009 at 5:14 am
mavs all the way says:
and how about my mavs huh? 4 straight and now number 6 in the west. number 5 is hornets who’s starting to implode, losing 4 straight. and you know their heart and soul is out for at least a couple of games more. and then we are just a game behind the number 5 portland chokeblazers. this is getting exciting.
side note: kidd is just 247 DIMEs away from surpassing magic, with still 44 games left. given kidd will play all those 44games, he could easily surpass magic johnson. that’s like 5,6 dimes per game and he’s all set (to surpass magic).
nothing. just bragging. i’m out like mavs all the way the statistician.
February 5th, 2009 at 5:24 am
mavs all the way says:
@ Big Sia,
you think it’s possible VC-Lebron-Lopez-Harris? well, how about this:
harris
vc
lbj
lopez
shaq
February 5th, 2009 at 5:30 am
Big Sia says:
I would thank the ghost of Biggie himself on my hands and knees.
Brooklyn’s coming….
LeBron better get used to dropping Fiddy in the state of NY
February 5th, 2009 at 5:35 am
Iannyb says:
i’m a Kobe dude, but i’ll have to go with the triple double.It’s obvious that lebron had more court time than Kobe did.he too more shots than kobe and still got 11 assists so maybe we could look at that.to record a triple double with 50points is a great feat.i think Kobe is his own biggest enemy.with that kind of talent he should be racking up more assists.The issue here though is the lakers defense,strolling into Boston then had better get it together,cause don’t expect the champs to roll over.they gonna suck it to you.With the loss of Bynum we have gotten even more exposed.i trust we can pull off the victory nonetheless.Go Lakers
February 5th, 2009 at 5:44 am
Luigi says:
i think if Kobe n LBJ were on the same team like on an expansion team with like random undrafted players. how good would that team be?
like say
PG. Sun Yue
SG. Kobe Bryant
SF. LeBron James
PF. Raef LaFrentz
C. Anthony Tolliver
or any PG. PF. C. n random bench
February 5th, 2009 at 5:49 am
J says:
Assists can be skewed, even if Kobe did deliver passes that Bron does, the shooter still gotta make the basket to rack up that assist.
February 5th, 2009 at 6:10 am
Hey, Jugs from Timbuktu says:
hey hey spankyGay23 – what a lousy faggotish name… so i’d assume you fancy lebron or MJ or j-rich or some manly baller whose sweaty jocks alone will give you the big O… and retard? please… it’s like ricky davis saying george gervin shoots the ball too much… your mom is so retarded in bed, though…
hey hey mavs all the gay – nice iist, but the “pacers – granger, diener, hibbert” just blew it. diener? WTF?! he’d forever be stuck in the chris quinn role, best a jj barea like run… LMAO though @ “grizz – haddadi,darko,miles”
and now,i will mention mavs all the way and imbecile in a sentence, and we can all say haha!
anyway, i’d take 50 and a triple double any time of the day… getting the team involved, hustling (rebounds), and giving em the business would say much more than an individual effort alone…
you’ve been JUGged!
February 5th, 2009 at 6:15 am
AB_40 says:
brrooklyn will be there ni 2011 or 2012 thank your former president for that no money from investors… ah well.
but DAMN lebron… he’s probably less impresive cuzz he ain’t that smooth kobe bryant is how a basketball player moves lebron isn’t new york knows it
February 5th, 2009 at 6:29 am
ya boy says:
Love the lakers and Kobe but I have to admit lebrons stats are better.does kobe look better doing his thing.yup.but numbers dont lie.A 50 point game with a triple double and the humility to do it without much ado.Can’t knock that.how could you ?
February 5th, 2009 at 6:47 am
BxBaller says:
*waiting for the BronBot & Kobe to have these type of games against a good defensive team*
As a New Yorker, I’m mad as hell that the Knicks just got raped while everybody watched. The hell with Lebron, “Mr. I wont try to out do Kobe.” Gimme a damn break.
February 5th, 2009 at 7:24 am
that's whats up says:
that makes Lebron 29-32 on FT’s in his last two games.
That’s around 90%. If he can get to the line 16 times a game in the playoffs, and hit them at a nice clip, I can see them taking out the C’s.
Here’s a summary of Post 28: “I’m a Kobe dude, racking up, roll over, suck it to you, more exposed”. I’m just sayin’, I’d never use adjectives like that describing ANY players, playa
oh yeah, and whoever was cryin’ about this shit yesterday, please listen again….
Nuggets ain’t shit. First round and out. Period.
February 5th, 2009 at 7:30 am
Ross says:
True story
Allen Iverson was buying some Scarface posters at a store in the mall, and while he was being checked out, the store owner asked for his autograph. Iverson replied, “will you give me the posters for free?” The owner just continued to ring him up, no autographs, no free posters.
February 5th, 2009 at 8:12 am
fallinup says:
Hey, you can’t knock a 50 point triple dip. It’s impressive regardless. Clearly more impressive than just a plain ole 61. Although, Bron loses style points for playing it off, then going into jack mode as soon as the whistle blows. Impressive none the less.
But memo to both Kobe and Bron….let’s do it on one of the elite teams…not the NBA’s version of the spoiled little retard step child.
February 5th, 2009 at 8:16 am
fallinup says:
And just for my mind’s sake…because you know some moron is gonna bring it up…
You put MJ out there with these shitty rules and a cheap imitation of the NY knicks…and he’s droppin 70, plus a triple…maybe quadruple double…so don’t even think about going there.
February 5th, 2009 at 8:28 am
rangerjohn says:
man if bosh had not gone down the raps might have just won that game, they held their own and i commend them on a good try. and how about the nuggets escaping with a win over the thunder. keep thinking your good denver, no billups or what ever.
man this long break is gonna suck, means i have to watch other teams some with no spurs. now i am stuck watching those boring other teams.
February 5th, 2009 at 8:30 am
control says:
rangerjohn
Did you just call other teams boring compared to the Spurs?
February 5th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Chaos says:
Man its gonna be really bad in NY if The Trruth comes in and gets 35+ pts. i mean the crowd will love it because they got treated to three straight games of just straight beasting…..but tlhe Knicks team will be straight demoralized after that. and remember the celtics are a better defensive team….LBJ still has weaknesses in his game. lebron is 24 and Kobe is 30. lets see lebron do that at 30 (but damn 52/10/11…..filthy).
Stop hatin on carmelo. he said what he said and went out there and backed it up. you saw the two best SFs on th court last night and you saw why. and Melo put up 11 ast to go along with it. so if he has to distribute, he will. Durant is gonna be nasty and OKC will be nasty will durant/green/westbrook annd possibly Blake Griffin
February 5th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Kudabeen says:
I’ll take the Trip Dub…
Both performances are incredible through…Look forward to the game LAL vs CLE coming up…Last time people were saying Cavs lost because LA had their bigs and Big Z was out. Now Big Z is in and Bynum is out…We’ll see who steps it up…
Dude called Ray Allen “Rat Allen”…really??
Anthony Johnson looked like the guy I thought he would be for Orlando last year, when they didn’t trade for him…He is just a tough ball player…
February 5th, 2009 at 9:00 am
vinny says:
@ranger- ok i respect the spurs but did u really call other teams boring??? lol!!!
February 5th, 2009 at 9:03 am
rangerjohn says:
control,
yeah all the spurs haters like to call them boring, i find the other teams boring. all that run and gun and crap, playing none fundamental basketball i find boring SO THERE! ha how you like that!
as for melo, if he could stay on the court i would say he could very well be the best small forward in the west but damn he cant stay on the floor for what ever reason, punch and run, injuries, drunk driving, what ever it may be.
February 5th, 2009 at 9:10 am
loganlight says:
Many of you on here, myself included, are eating their crow this morning. ‘Bron was a beast last night and when almost the entire DIME community decided that his jumper was too broke to be the best in the game, dude drops 52… with tons of J’s.
AND a triple double.
LeBron might not be the “best” right now… but what he did last night is reason to believe that he might be.
LL
February 5th, 2009 at 9:10 am
fLaVa says:
Any other nights i’d say LBJ’s 50 triple dip tops 61 pts from Kobe but the difference is 61pts in the MSG RECORD and that takes the cake. The Mecca of basketball and a record thats set by Bernard King.
50 triple dip dont happen often but breaking a MSG record makes the 61 pt performance more impressive
February 5th, 2009 at 9:11 am
E$ says:
And it only gets worst for the Knicks….nobody even cares what they think about these performances
February 5th, 2009 at 9:32 am
calvin brodus says:
why the fuck can’t good teams cover their damn lines this week?!?!
last night i needed the lakers to win by 9. they win 8.
i needed the cavs to win by 6. they win by 5.
i needed the nuggies to win 3. they win by 1.
tuesday night
i need the celtics to win by 2. they win by 1.
monday night. i need the spurs by 6. they win by 5.
sunday. i need the celts by 12. they win by 10.
february is getting pretty damn expensive and we’re only a week into the month.
iverson, i feel your pain!!!!
February 5th, 2009 at 9:44 am
fallinup says:
@ calvin
I found it useful to not bet on games less than a month away from the Allstar game. Players have their minds on the little vacation. Not what the coach is saying.
February 5th, 2009 at 9:44 am
karizmatic says:
There should not be any speculation about it. Lebron is the best player in the league. He has been for two years now. Last year he nearly averaged a triple double. This year he is proving he can put up huge points and still give you a triple double. You can say Kobe is more skilled, more fundamentally sound, whatever. Lebron is the the player you want on your team if you absolutely have to pick between the two. As for the Jordan comparisons, in this league with these rules Jordan could put up 50, 60, or 70 and pull 10 rebounds as well. Jordan wasn’t all that for passing the ball though and probably would “only” have 6 or 7 in this league.
February 5th, 2009 at 9:47 am
PALakerFan says:
I’ll take my crow with ranch dressing please. I’ve always said Lebron is awesome – no doubt about it. I said 60 would be tough for him, but he clearly could have gotten that and more against the JV Knicks. Great game by Lebron! Hats off to you big fella.
Looking forward to another good game tonight between Lakers-Celtics.
February 5th, 2009 at 9:48 am
doc (i like kobe AND bron) says:
Whew!If this was football Kobe would be the passing O setting records,and Bron would be the smashmouth running team.There is no better.Thry both can get u a chip.
February 5th, 2009 at 9:50 am
doc (i like kobe AND bron) says:
Fuck who better out these 2.Cant we all just see they gonna both keep dicking the league?All hail to Kobe Bean and Bron Burrito.The 2 baddest motherfuckers in the game right now.And fuck Mike.He somewhere relaxing and we keep bringing him up.They both will bust Mike old ass right now and he cant get it back.
February 5th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Sallo says:
A triple double is crazy, but has anyone ever thought that Kobe and Lebron have different roles? Lebron has the ball in his hand 98% of the time. He runs the plays so its easier for him to rack up assists. Kobe has a PG so thats not his primary role. Any way i don’t like any of them, but you can’t go wrong with chosing either. As the best player I got to go with Kobe bc like someone said Kobe moves like a basketball player.
February 5th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Tom S. says:
How badly does the NBA need a Cavs v. Lakers (or Lebron v. Kobe) Finals? The ratings would crush the Celtics/Lakers from last year. Make it happen D. Stern.
February 5th, 2009 at 10:14 am
fallinup says:
@ 54
Cavs run plays?
February 5th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Bron42 aka Downtown Funky Stuff Malone says:
@doc, too bad in football now, defense wins games lol so that means bron or kobe aint winnin rings lol
February 5th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Tbest says:
Lebron and Kobe are this generations Magic and Bird. How sick would a few NBA finals matchups be between these guys. People need to stop hating and just appreciate what we are witnessing. They are both going to force each other to take their games to another level. This is the best thing to happen to the NBA in a long time. Let’s just enjoy it.
February 5th, 2009 at 10:27 am
that's whats up says:
damn cb48, you need to either stop gambling or make it opposite day, everyday.
that’s a tough stretch
February 5th, 2009 at 10:37 am
doc (i like kobe AND bron) says:
Yeah Bron u need that D so Kobe Ed Reed and Bron Ray Lewis.Still cant go wrong.
February 5th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Bron42 aka Downtown Funky Stuff Malone says:
@tbest, magic and bird actually considered themselves rivals and went at it in head to head matchups..”corporate” bron, already said he doesn’t even think anything special about playing kobe and how hes not worried about what kobe does etc….so hes trying to SELL that its not a rivally (that he’d prolly lose IMO) to me its more david thompson vs george gervin or even mike vs nique…scoring duels.. The craziness is, all this covers up the insanity that wade is doing down in miami even though hes averaging better stats than bron and kobe and miami has the 4-5th spot lol
@doc, how u gonna pick the ravens D and the steelers just won the superbowl and beat the ravens…hatehatehate lol…Lebron harrison/ Kobe Polamalu lol
February 5th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Bron42 aka Downtown Funky Stuff Malone says:
So lets get it started here: cavs or lakers next game?
I say lebron has a better “stat game” and still loses.
February 5th, 2009 at 10:57 am
LakeShow84 says:
Man what was everyone in the NBA taking last night??
Captain Jack had a 30pt tripdoub against a supposed playoff team?
Carmello friggin Anthony had 11 assists to go along with 30 point and a game winner?
Anthony Johnson actually stepped up and hit 6 threes? I didnt even think he deserved burn anymore..
Lebron James’ rididulous game and then Kobe wasnt so bad himself with 36-9-5..
The stars came out last night! And i still think Brandon Roy has the smoothest game in the League.. he has a play every game that is plain and simply ssmmmoooovvvveeeee..
February 5th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Bron42 aka Downtown Funky Stuff Malone says:
@loganlight, I still wouldn’t bet iverson money on lebrons jumper lol
February 5th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Bron42 aka Downtown Funky Stuff Malone says:
yo DIME/AB can we please get a post on the dunk that stole dukes heart last night? brutal
February 5th, 2009 at 11:05 am
JA says:
Don’t know if it’s been pointed out, but Lebron did his damage in just over 44 mins, while Kobe did his in just under 37 mins.
Lebron played almost 20% more than Kobe did in comparison!
February 5th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Bron42 aka Downtown Funky Stuff Malone says:
and one of lebrons rebounds was actually a ben wallace rebound, they just gave the stat to lebron….check the tape lol
February 5th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Drink the Haterade (KB24 Chip 09) says:
when i watch lebron do something insane, i shake my head and appreciate his greatness. when i watch kobe do something insane, i shake my head and sorta wonder what just happened
So true
February 5th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Ian says:
@J
lol how far can kobe supporters take this crap so if the assists arent kobes fault they shouldnt count right??? because the only way to get assists is on jumpshots??? lebrons game was 100 times more impressive with your post u r sayin elton brand and the big O are the same is just the brands teammates dont make jumpshots hahahaha please man spare us that crappy argument.
JA
now its a mns played thing???? lets go ahead and divided everything per mns played and give out stats like that then. no?
i dont like either but shit people shut up with the crappy post tryin to defend one
February 5th, 2009 at 11:29 am
JayTea says:
1. Kobe’s team mate Gasol also went for 31, James next closest was um 15.
2. Al Harrington went for 39 against the cavs yet only 24 against the lakes.
3.LBJ played eight more minutes than Kobe, Kobe would have scored 14 more points (75) if he had played 44 minutes, based on his ppm.
Lebron James is great player, the only question that matters though is when the clock is running down, who is gonna kill it? The Black Mamba. which is nice.
February 5th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Bron42 aka Downtown Funky Stuff Malone says:
@ian, u gotta admit, lebron was tryin to prove a point, even after saying he wouldn’t try lol
February 5th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Tbest says:
@ #61 Bron42 aka Downtown Funky Stuff Malone says:
I was gonna say if Kobe and lebron are magic and bird then who would that leave as MJ. My logical choice would have been Dwade, but i didn’t want to get killed on here because people thought i was comparing dwade to MJ. However, by the end of their careers dwade could be on the same pedestal as lebron and kobe. He’s quietly having an amazing season, he’s already got one chip, and if he stays healthy will put up great career #’s. To me it’s all about which of these guys comes closeest to six titles. No matter the individual #’s Mike’s six rings is the trump card to any GOAT comparison with these players.
February 5th, 2009 at 11:41 am
doc (i like kobe AND bron) says:
@Bron-I cant fuck with Pittsburgh.They from PA and got all them chips and my stinker of a team cant get one.Maybe if we can get TJ Whosyourmomma.@Jaytea-spare us with the BS,3 BS stats that have nothing to do with nothing.Coming with that PPm shit.Thats that bullshit on them old basketball cards where dudes like Chris dudly would average 36 and 20 for 48 minutes.
February 5th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Bron42 aka Downtown Funky Stuff Malone says:
lol ronny turiaf averages a block per minute, making him the best shot blocker in NBA history lol
February 5th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
haslem says:
Pau is playing like an All star, Kobe could be a GM when he retires? what kind of team would he construct. It’s early to think about because there young but what about a guy like Danny Granger what you think he will do when he retires?
February 5th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Rangerjohn says:
Speaking of block leaders, the Denver announcers where saying all night that the bird man lead the league in blocks, but he has only played like 15 games. Lmao where these guy get this stuff
February 5th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
doc (i like kobe AND bron) says:
If Kobe wanna be like Mike so bad I think he should skip the GM part.He’ll end up picking Kwame Brown Jr.
February 5th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Bron42 aka Downtown Funky Stuff Malone says:
alil more wood for the fire….
kobe played what, 37 minutes? and scored 61 points shooting 61.7% from the floor not counting foul shots (20-20)
Lebron scored 52 points in 44 minutes and shot 51.2% from the floor. (16-19 from the line)…so lebron was forcing more.
February 5th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Mike C says:
Don’t get me wrong, it really was an historic performance. But LeBron played the most selfish 11 dime game I’ve ever seen.
February 5th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
KDizzle(That breeze is your team finally breathin) says:
@ Ian
damn, man. Havin a bad day?
@Jay Tea – great points
no one gonna mention that Lebron got credited for a rebound that wasn’t his and he got his last board of that duhon heave with 1.9 left.
NY fans aren’t stupid. They were chantin “MVP” cuz Kobe destroyed the Knicks in everyway in a decisive win. Lebron carved them up too, but the cavs needed every single piece of his triple double to scrape that win out. You ain’t yellin “MVP” for an opposin player in a game your team has a chance to win…
If we use the +/-, Bron was only +7, while Kobe was +19. So while both players just wanted the win, for me just watchin the game, Kobe’s performance had me more excited and jumpin outta my seat with shot after ridiculous shot…but I’d take the 50-11-10 if I needed it like the Cavs did last night…
February 5th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
hhhhhhh says:
keep one thing in mind…when Kobe was 3 yrs into the league….his jumper wasnt at the level it is now…yes Kobe has a better jumper..hands down…but Lebron has several years to perfect his…Kobe didnt come into this league being the beast that Lebron already is!!!
Enough said!!!
February 5th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Bron42 aka Downtown Funky Stuff Malone says:
@hhhhhhhh, again, lebrons “beastlyness” coming into the league had nothing to do with his skill set…it was his size and how athletic he was. Kobe didn’t have that lux, which is why he devolped the killer jumper, that being said, EVEN straight out of high school, kobes jumper was better than lebrons. Watch the old laker games kobes rookie year. Kobe was taking game deciding 3s(he missed them early on) on a vet stocked team….lebron still passes most game winners to average nba players and hes “the king” At this rate, lebron wont get a elite level jumper till his athletic ability wears down and he has to. Just like people hype how lebron pushed the celts to a game 7(which he lost)….umm…so did the hawks.
@kdizzle, Um i’m the one who said it was ben wallaces rebound, praise the right people lol
February 5th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
fallinup says:
The NBA.
Where “beastlyness” happens.
haha
February 5th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
control says:
KDizzle
“NY fans aren’t stupid.” Yeah they are. They also smell like taint douche.
February 5th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Bron42 aka Downtown Funky Stuff Malone says:
@fallin, you know that would make a hot commercial lol
February 5th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
that's whats up says:
nah, post 84 would make a hot commercial
February 5th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Ian says:
kdizzle
lol yeah kinda second day back from vacation at work and damnnnn its like the douches here didnt do shit for 2 weeks they just waited for me.
but comon u gotta admit that the dude that said assists were because brons teammates made shot and kobes didnt is pure crap and the pts per mns dude well just read that.
kobe might be the best or bron might be the best personally i dont care for either but damn the excuses theres no doubt that brons game was more impressive that doesnt mean hes better than kobe.
bron
of course he wanted a triple double even one of the guys of around the horn predicted bron was gonna go for one not 61 but bron wasnt forcing he played his game kinda.
February 5th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Vinny says:
@calvin- how did u get the lakers at 9?? they were 7 and half WHERE I SHOP!
February 5th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
UncheckedAggression says:
C’mon guys, those Kobe fans will NEVER admit that Lebron is better. And they’ll fight tooth and nail just to make Lebron’s accomplishments seem marginal. There is no point in arguing with them.
They just have to live with the fact that their savior was on board for 3 championships and hasn’t done shit (except let them down) ever since. The colossal collapse in the finals last year is how I will always remember Kobe. Well, also how he shot the Lakers out of the championship against the Pistons.
Kobe is one of the greatest scorers the game has ever seen. He’s a fierce competitor. He’s just not the winner that everyone wishes him to be. Sorry, but you guys are bound to get disappointed this year. And you’ll blame everyone but Kobe.
February 5th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Bron42 aka Downtown Funky Stuff Malone says:
@ian, he def forced it…he took more shots, shot a lower percent, had to dive with 1.9 seconds left JUST to get the 10th rebound and he didn’t even really get the 9th rebound, they just gave him the stat even though ben wallace pulled it down. Lebron got his stats but it wasn’t in the smoooth flow to me like kobes was…And everyone knew he wasnt gonna get 62 and said he’d go for a triple double to prove a point…it was lebron who said he wasn’t tryin to prove a point and didn’t care yadda yadda phoney corporate talk.
February 5th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Bron42 aka Downtown Funky Stuff Malone says:
@unchecked…..colossal collapse in the finals? the lakers at least won a game or two…the cavs of new york got swept and lebron played like shit in his only finals apperance so far. What has lebron won other than a allstar game mvp? talent exceeds hype my friend.
February 5th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Ian says:
bron
what??? take that board away and his game is still more impressive and he shot 50% what more do u want. btw kobe is not the winner people make him out to be not a total loser but ill remember him kinda the way unchecked does but of course thats just me.
February 5th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
calvin brodus says:
@ vinny
i actually had the lakers at 8.5. i guess you got paid with a 7 point line. a nice helping of buyer’s remorse for me.
i’m at sports interaction, but i’ll try another spot for sure. where you at?
February 5th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Ian says:
what has kobe won being the MAN bron??
February 5th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Ian says:
calvin vinny
u guys do your betting online?
February 5th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Kobe vs. Lebron says:
sportsinteraction is where I go. I did bodog for a lil bit, but I don’t even know if their in business anymore. haha
February 5th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Vinny says:
i bet online but its a private site- local- you would have to be referred by someone!
February 5th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Vinny says:
i actually had the nets and the bulls last night
February 5th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Bron42 aka Downtown Funky Stuff Malone says:
@ian, i’m not the one you wanna argue with about kobe fan cuz i’m not a huge kobe fan either…I think hes better than lebron but i’m not some homer who is gonna ignore the fact that BEFORE gasol game, Kobe as THE MAN, was in the same exact spot tmac has been the last couple years…AMAZING STATS, but out in the first round cuz people around him suck. I got constant heat for saying that meanwhile records prove it…kobe played great, knocked out in first round…tmac played great, knocked out in the first round…tmac won scoring titles,teammates sucked….kobe won scoring titles, teammates sucked…so yes, i kno kobe by himself isn’t some great winner. I’ve been sayin that since the suns were knockin him out and they ended up in the lotto WHICH is how they got bynum in the first place but the homers wanna ignore that.
That bein said, to say lebron wasn’t forcing the issue is retarded. He was tryin to prove a point after sayin he wasn’t gonna prove a point. Both were impressive but Kobe was more effient, won by a larger number and in less minutes. Lebron forced the issue ALOT on offense. Like i said, he was gunning for his triple double. If that was the case kobe should of stayed in the whole game and dropped 81 again. Both were highlights for this year but I still go with kobe. EVERYONE on the knicks was tryin to stop him and he still put up 61..the cavs as a TEAM barely beat the knicks. I say as a team because obviously they had to guard everyone thanks to the 11 assists.
February 5th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Bron42 aka Downtown Funky Stuff Malone says:
@ian, no one said kobe isn’t a great all time winner…people praise kobe for how he continues to improve and has that killer instinct that very few guys have…lebron doesn’t.
February 5th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Ian says:
relax bron i said he kinda didnt force it but anyways if he did he he still got the w while going for one of the most impressive triple doubles ever.
February 5th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Ian says:
bron besides like i said i dont care for either i was talking stat wise the game was more impressive for bron the margin of victory really doesnt matter now does it?
i kinda agree on the kobe tmac thing but kobe was lucky enough to be traded for divac
February 5th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Oscarisalakerfan says:
This is going another 150 comments easily…….
Everyone could make excuses but lets just appreciate what these players did…..Stop fighting cuz u guyz sound ridiculous…..Kobe and Bron arent gonna check online to see what u guyz said …..theyre not gonna be like Oh look what these guyz said ….Now i have to drop 50 and have a quadruple double to impress him
February 5th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Oscarisalakerfan says:
This is going another 150 comments easily…….
Everyone could make excuses but lets just appreciate what these players did…..Stop fighting cuz u guyz sound ridiculous…..Kobe and Bron arent gonna check online to see what u guyz said …..theyre not gonna be like Oh look what these guyz said ….Now i have to drop 50 and have a quadruple double to impress him
February 5th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
control says:
Oscarisalakerfan
Actually you are wrong…look at the top of the page where the players who have been interviewed by the magazine are quoted, to the right of the logo. There’s one of them that LeBron has that says something like “I check dimemag.com everyday to see what sharply witted comments amazing posters like GEE and control have to say, it makes my day and puts a shit eating grin on my face.”
February 5th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Lebron doesnt have the mental aspect of Kobe’s game and thats what makes Kobe the Mamba..
Lebron was called King James even before he hit the NBA because of the hype.. And while he deserves it because he is by far one of the top 3 in NBA i just think we as fans buy into all the media hoopla that is King James.. I mean i read a article a while back proclaiming Lebron as the “Most clutch player in the league”.. Everytime Lebron puts up 20 he is on the cover of every story..
Yes a 50 point triple double is beautiful.. But in 10 years will people remember that or the record of the building? Dont forget EVERYONE looks at MSG as the big stage.. i didnt even watch Jordans 55 but i knew he had the record in that building.. Its history plain and simple..
And everyone who says Kobe hasnt accomplished anything as “the man” are foolish..
Kobe could retire today and be a surefire hall of famer.. Now when he is voted in do you think people are going to say “nah he had Shaq”? no so dont be biased..
If Lebrons career were to continue as it has for say 5 more years, 1 scoring title (ill even throw in 3-4 more scoring titles), 1 finals SWEEP and a couple of all star MVPs, is he a hall of famer?? Maybe for the media sensation but not because of his accomplishments..
This arguement is so tired..
February 5th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Bron42 aka Downtown Funky Stuff Malone says:
@oscar, I got lebron on speed dial, and how about you learn to post once before you give the budda speeches.
@ian, ya it was impressive. I’ll be the first to admit. Lebron is more well rounded than kobe stat wis. Kobe is still the second coming and more reliable, better in he clutch, more of a killer and a better defender. Even attitude, kobe is a dick but at least hes forward…lebrons a dick and its all corporate fed lol
February 5th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Bron42 aka Downtown Funky Stuff Malone says:
@ian, see, lake falls in the homer catergory lol
@lakeshow, so are you basing your argument on the rings and dynasty kobe got with shaq? And yes people will still remember that when hes in the hall of fame THE SAME WAY people remember jordan played with pippen. Same way we associate magic and kareem etc.. Or are you basing it on the great numbers kobe put up after shaq left and igoring the loses? cuz if were just basing it on numbers, than lebrons a hall of famer just as quick as kobe (ugh that hurt to type) and so is tmac, dirk, iverson etc… Guys are remembered by rings, and people will kno kobe has his 3 WITH shaq…without shaq he has as many as lebron..goose egg…
February 5th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
fallinup says:
Fuck Bron on speed dial. He’s sitting right here next to laughing at all you busters!
February 5th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Bron42 aka Downtown Funky Stuff Malone says:
lol…..if you wanna be a real dick about, BOTH lebron and kobe got spanked in their ONLY finals apperances as
“THE MAN”
February 5th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Ian says:
oscar
really u went thru 100 posts just to say that really????????
lakeshow
whatttt of course people will remember that kobe was pippen to shaq so dont even mention that and putting up numbers for bad teams every team has one player like that. if kobe doesnt win on his own hes not a top ten player alltime , bron is a sure hofer even if he doesnt win people considered kg a hofer before the title and he aint that great.
bron
yeah i agree with all that
February 5th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
LakeShow84 says:
I say Dwade is having a better year than both.. And Dwade should be right up there in “best player talk”.. i watched him square up and swat Josh Smith FACE TO FACE..
What cracks me up also is the fact that Pierce’s name is NEVER mentioned in these discussions lol and we all remember his infamous words this summer..
February 5th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Ian says:
lakeshow i actually have wade as a top 4 player in the league i think hes up there
February 5th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
GEE..."Yo bald-headed granny!" says:
P Dub is having his lowest scoring since his rookie year. Dude in no way, shape, form or fashion should have been talkin about he the best and he ain’t even a starter in the All-Star game.
What is Paul’s biggest scoring total at MSG???
He on some Kanye West stuff and is getting into hypin himself.
February 5th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Ian says:
i dont know if pierce cracks my top 15 damn
February 5th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
LakeShow84 says:
I look at it like Shaq wouldnt have gotten his rings without Kobe and Kobe wouldnt have gotten his rings without Shaq.. and ill say it was 50/50 down the middle..
I base it on how long Kobe has been at the level he has been at.. Even with Shaq he was in a way the man (the assassin was his first nickname when he was what 23?).. Like you even said Bron Kobe was on a team full of vets being asked to hit game winners.. If Shaq, Fox, Horry were on the team Lebrons first couple of years would he have been the #1 option? i doubt it because he cant create and FINISH so easily. AND he has no faith in his abolity to put the ball in the hole no matter what when the game is on the line.. He drives all day..
The best player in the world is Kobe.. quit with the stats, who is a better teammate and so on.. Everyone knows this except for the “witnesses”.. and i’ve watched Lebron’s game and i have never felt like i witnessed shit lol.. only problem is with all the media hype there are too many witnesses..
February 5th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
GEE..."Get in tune with you star playa!" says:
Yea Wade don’t get as much hype but his is all about his business this year.
Still how long before fresh legs get old when you have to carry so much weight?
Trade deadline is about 14 days away. Get that man a decent center!
February 5th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Aye who you got as #3 Ian?
February 5th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
calvin brodus says:
vinny says-
i bet online but its a private site- local- you would have to be referred by someone!
ill tell ya, i like gambling. and i really like the thought of a guy named named vinny (with jersey ties from what i gather) knowing of a locals only gambling spot where you have to know someone to get in on the action. sounds kind of shady. and just a little dangerous, which is badass.
vinny, i know for sure that i watch too much sopranos, and i may be be reading between the lines a little too much. but is your spot run out of the bada-bing?
btw-excellent call on nets and bulls. the nets caught my eye too but i didn’t “pull the trigger” on that one.
February 5th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Ian says:
lakeshow
duncan
kobe
bron
wade
before u bash my number one pick think of one player that can give u more of a chance to win a title than timmy
February 5th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Ian says:
and wade isnt my number 2 because of last season but he was back in 07 because he has been the man on a championship team
shaq and kobe werent 50/50 responsible for the titles dont say that its like sayin pip and jordan were 50/50
February 5th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Ian says:
lake in fact forget the last part of post 121 if u think kobe was equally important as shaq well fine its your opinion
February 5th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Vinny says:
Yo Calvin- u in LA?
February 5th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
KDizzle(That breeze is your team finally breathin) says:
@ Lakeshow,
you know Ian got TD as no.3
Me, I go – Kobe, Bron, Duncan, Wade, Dwight, CP, Dirk, Melo, KG, Yao, DWill, Granger, TParker, Bosh, AlJeff
so no, Paul Pierce ain’t in my top 15.
February 5th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Ian says:
kdizzle
let see im
duncan
kobe
bron
wade
same top 4 of course just diff order
followed by the pgs not howard
paul
parker
now big man
howard
dirk
deron
kg
amare
granger
jefferson
bosh
manu
February 5th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
KDizzle(That breeze is your team finally breathin) says:
@ Ian
Finals mvps are a joke most times
The year the Lakers beat Indiana, Shaq wasn’t the mvp, Kobe was. Shaq was the safe pick, but Kobe killed Indy.
It’s like Parker gettin the Finals mvp, but basically it was Tim’s to lose. He played subpar for him and Parker shot crazy against Boobie Gibson and whoever else they put on him..
February 5th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Ian says:
kdizzle
huh?? that was random i didnt mention finals mvp.
parker was the mvp vs the cavs is not his fault who hes playin and bro shaq avg like 40ppg vs indy no way kobe is finals mvp.
February 5th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Dont trip Ian i was going to say TD in the top 5 lol dude is having a monster year..
And trust me you dont want to get into with me about the Shaq debacle.. but its the same way if Kobe ever leaves.. straight up; i would hate him.. not cuz he left because he really is a piece of shit.. But as long as he is a laker ima ride and die with him..
February 5th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
LakeShow84 says:
I give it to Shaq when he hit the Finals he always made a splash but at the same time..
They never would’ve gotten there if Kobe didnt DESTROY the Queens and Spurs.. Throw some Portland into that too..
But you fellas have a safe weekend im out on vacation! But best believe if we win tonight im talkin mess from Starbucks tomorrow lol
February 5th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
UncheckedAggression says:
@LakeShow84
I just gotta throw this out there: Shaq’s the only reason the Kings didn’t win that series. Not Kobe.
That’s cool that you back your team. Just don’t forget the real reason the Lakers won those championships. No team could deal with Shaq in any way. He was completely unstoppable.