Comments on: Joe Johnson is “good, not great” http://dimemag.com/2009/04/joe-johnson-is-good-not-great/ Dime is your daily source for NBA News, NBA Trades, NBA Rumors, NBA Videos and Sneakers Mon, 13 Feb 2012 07:02:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Hoops88 http://dimemag.com/2009/04/joe-johnson-is-good-not-great/comment-page-2/#comment-158576 Hoops88 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 02:35:28 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=10345#comment-158576 Umn, Joe Johnson is better than Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups, and Andre Iguodala is not great, he's just really good. Tony Parker hasn't proven to be great, but in the 08-09 season was his first season that he may have been a great player. Chauncey Billups is not great, he's just really good. You're only a great player if you're a great scorer that can be a franchise player or if you're a great point guard like Steve Nash, John Stockton, and Jason Kidd who aren't great scorers. If Dennis Rodman makes the hall of fame, then I guess also if you're freakishly great in a stat like he was. I don't agree or disagree with Chuck. In the 06-07 season Joe avg'd 25ppg, but that doesn't mean he's a great player though. Latrell Sprewell once avg'd 24ppg but he's clearly not great, he's just really good. Spre wasn't like Peja who was just surrounded by great passers, Sprewell can actually create his own shots. As of right now, I'll say I dk. Umn, Joe Johnson is better than Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups, and Andre Iguodala is not great, he’s just really good. Tony Parker hasn’t proven to be great, but in the 08-09 season was his first season that he may have been a great player. Chauncey Billups is not great, he’s just really good.
You’re only a great player if you’re a great scorer that can be a franchise player or if you’re a great point guard like Steve Nash, John Stockton, and Jason Kidd who aren’t great scorers. If Dennis Rodman makes the hall of fame, then I guess also if you’re freakishly great in a stat like he was.
I don’t agree or disagree with Chuck. In the 06-07 season Joe avg’d 25ppg, but that doesn’t mean he’s a great player though. Latrell Sprewell once avg’d 24ppg but he’s clearly not great, he’s just really good. Spre wasn’t like Peja who was just surrounded by great passers, Sprewell can actually create his own shots. As of right now, I’ll say I dk.

]]> By: VCFanInToronto http://dimemag.com/2009/04/joe-johnson-is-good-not-great/comment-page-2/#comment-140585 VCFanInToronto Tue, 05 May 2009 05:22:27 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=10345#comment-140585 I do think JJ has a chance to be a great player...probably won't get into the Hall but he's gonna be something to remember when its all said and done. A lot of these players you mentioned are great players no doubt but in order to win, you need a solid TEAM regardless. Individuals don't win championships, teams do. Every team that has won with a superstar on their roster still needed other guys to step up and hit shots, play defense etc etc...So sure the Hawks could eventually win something if you have a solid TEAM around Joe Johnson. Bulls, great team...Miami 06, great team and the list goes on. I do think JJ has a chance to be a great player…probably won’t get into the Hall but he’s gonna be something to remember when its all said and done. A lot of these players you mentioned are great players no doubt but in order to win, you need a solid TEAM regardless. Individuals don’t win championships, teams do. Every team that has won with a superstar on their roster still needed other guys to step up and hit shots, play defense etc etc…So sure the Hawks could eventually win something if you have a solid TEAM around Joe Johnson. Bulls, great team…Miami 06, great team and the list goes on.

]]> By: Jim http://dimemag.com/2009/04/joe-johnson-is-good-not-great/comment-page-2/#comment-140549 Jim Mon, 04 May 2009 23:01:00 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=10345#comment-140549 What Barkley says is really debatable. You can make an argument that CP3, Deron Williams, Dwight Howard, Carmelo, and any other superstar who hasn't made the NBA Finals are in the same category. Even when it comes to Wade, Kobe, Lebron, which of them has actually won a title without another superstar? None! It's proven that NBA champions have a well rounded team with role players that step up in big moments. Fact is Joe Johnson may be in between a great player and a really good player. All I know is I've seen him in clutch situations (last year vs. Celtics for instance) where he does take over games. But when their team is getting blown out by 20-30, how do you judge him? Is it his fault they get blown out? What Barkley says is really debatable. You can make an argument that CP3, Deron Williams, Dwight Howard, Carmelo, and any other superstar who hasn’t made the NBA Finals are in the same category. Even when it comes to Wade, Kobe, Lebron, which of them has actually won a title without another superstar? None! It’s proven that NBA champions have a well rounded team with role players that step up in big moments. Fact is Joe Johnson may be in between a great player and a really good player. All I know is I’ve seen him in clutch situations (last year vs. Celtics for instance) where he does take over games. But when their team is getting blown out by 20-30, how do you judge him? Is it his fault they get blown out?

]]> By: Ekstor http://dimemag.com/2009/04/joe-johnson-is-good-not-great/comment-page-2/#comment-140052 Ekstor Fri, 01 May 2009 18:38:06 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=10345#comment-140052 Ian, You can reread my statement if you like, but I neither said that Kobe was the best player NOR did I say he's carrying scrubs. In fact, my statement shows that of the three teams (Lakers, Cavs, Heat), the Lakers would be the strongest of the three after replacing them with JJ. Whether they're still championship contenders is a matter of debate. Ian,

You can reread my statement if you like, but I neither said that Kobe was the best player NOR did I say he’s carrying scrubs. In fact, my statement shows that of the three teams (Lakers, Cavs, Heat), the Lakers would be the strongest of the three after replacing them with JJ. Whether they’re still championship contenders is a matter of debate.

]]> By: DPGC http://dimemag.com/2009/04/joe-johnson-is-good-not-great/comment-page-2/#comment-139256 DPGC Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:30:54 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=10345#comment-139256 If Joe Johnson isn't a great player, then why does he get double-teamed every time he touches the ball? If Joe Johnson isn’t a great player, then why does he get double-teamed every time he touches the ball?

]]> By: mcbeeef http://dimemag.com/2009/04/joe-johnson-is-good-not-great/comment-page-2/#comment-139248 mcbeeef Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:57:55 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=10345#comment-139248 jj has some of the sickest handle in the league at the sg spot in the league, great change of pace and very strong. people forget how good a shooter he is too, he's REALLY good. although he has a bit of that big man thing where they're great shooters in the 1st quarter but get progressively wore as they get more tired. anyway i have a feeling that a coach who utilised him better would bring the superstar out in joe johnson, and if they had a go-to big man in the post atlanta would be at another level. bibby is hurting that team way more than anyone realises, although hes getting away with it vs chambers jj has some of the sickest handle in the league at the sg spot in the league, great change of pace and very strong. people forget how good a shooter he is too, he’s REALLY good. although he has a bit of that big man thing where they’re great shooters in the 1st quarter but get progressively wore as they get more tired.

anyway i have a feeling that a coach who utilised him better would bring the superstar out in joe johnson, and if they had a go-to big man in the post atlanta would be at another level. bibby is hurting that team way more than anyone realises, although hes getting away with it vs chambers

]]> By: T.J. http://dimemag.com/2009/04/joe-johnson-is-good-not-great/comment-page-2/#comment-139244 T.J. Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:46:20 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=10345#comment-139244 I've watched JJ ever since he's got to Atlanta and I know for a fact he's underrated. If you ask any Hawks player the key to the team is JJ. Just because he has one series (that isn't even over) where he's not murdering the other team doesn't mean we should discredit all the work he puts in throughtout the season. Watching his progression over the years theres no way I could say he wasn't better then at least Roy and Nash. JJ gets treated like crap by the media all the time. Could someone please compare the amount of games played nationwide between the Hawks and the other teams we've been mentioning. I wouldn't say he could lead a team to a championship because not many championships are won were the credit is given to one player alone. (Ex. MJ had Pippen, Dwade had Shaq, TP had TD, Paul Pierce had KG and Ray) Championships are usually won by teams that have more than one all-star. (If you toss Dwight or Amare on our team you couldn't say we couldn't contend for a championship) I'm a big fan of JJ and I don't believe half the stuff Chuck says anyway so we should all see more of JJ before we judge him. (BTW He could make HOF! I figure anythings possible if you put in the work to achieve it) I’ve watched JJ ever since he’s got to Atlanta and I know for a fact he’s underrated. If you ask any Hawks player the key to the team is JJ. Just because he has one series (that isn’t even over) where he’s not murdering the other team doesn’t mean we should discredit all the work he puts in throughtout the season. Watching his progression over the years theres no way I could say he wasn’t better then at least Roy and Nash. JJ gets treated like crap by the media all the time.

Could someone please compare the amount of games played nationwide between the Hawks and the other teams we’ve been mentioning. I wouldn’t say he could lead a team to a championship because not many championships are won were the credit is given to one player alone. (Ex. MJ had Pippen, Dwade had Shaq, TP had TD, Paul Pierce had KG and Ray) Championships are usually won by teams that have more than one all-star. (If you toss Dwight or Amare on our team you couldn’t say we couldn’t contend for a championship) I’m a big fan of JJ and I don’t believe half the stuff Chuck says anyway so we should all see more of JJ before we judge him. (BTW He could make HOF! I figure anythings possible if you put in the work to achieve it)

]]> By: ctkennedy http://dimemag.com/2009/04/joe-johnson-is-good-not-great/comment-page-2/#comment-139214 ctkennedy Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:39:13 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=10345#comment-139214 no wing player in the league can win a title without the big men to get it done the only player in nba history to do it is jordan but he still had the best player in the league at his position at the time in pippen remember kobe have never won 50 games in a season without gasol but gasol have without kobe no wing player in the league can win a title without the big men to get it done the only player in nba history to do it is jordan but he still had the best player in the league at his position at the time in pippen remember kobe have never won 50 games in a season without gasol but gasol have without kobe

]]> By: AY http://dimemag.com/2009/04/joe-johnson-is-good-not-great/comment-page-1/#comment-139213 AY Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:28:28 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=10345#comment-139213 how does no one call ill mago out? Al horford according to you is the leader on the hawks, that's why he played 16 minutes yesterday in the crucial hawks win, while zaza got 18 boards to in his place. And that's why zaza has gotten more rebounds in less minutes than horford in this series. are you watching the nba or reruns of the ncaa from 3 years ago? Joe Johnson is not great only because he doesn't play defense as hard as he can. If he did, he's up there with anyone. Certainly better than nash, nash isn't even better than shaq at this point. how does no one call ill mago out? Al horford according to you is the leader on the hawks, that’s why he played 16 minutes yesterday in the crucial hawks win, while zaza got 18 boards to in his place. And that’s why zaza has gotten more rebounds in less minutes than horford in this series. are you watching the nba or reruns of the ncaa from 3 years ago?

Joe Johnson is not great only because he doesn’t play defense as hard as he can. If he did, he’s up there with anyone. Certainly better than nash, nash isn’t even better than shaq at this point.

]]> By: karizmatic http://dimemag.com/2009/04/joe-johnson-is-good-not-great/comment-page-1/#comment-139183 karizmatic Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:40:46 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=10345#comment-139183 @Brian Melo should not be in the first tier of anything. He has consistently shown that he is a great scorer...nothing more...he is the current version of Glen Rice...he has consistently let other guys come in and take over his team. Say what you want Denver was AI's team when AI was there. It is now Chauncey they call commander in chief. Melo has never been the main guy on his team and probably never will and if he is...that team won't win either. @Brian

Melo should not be in the first tier of anything. He has consistently shown that he is a great scorer…nothing more…he is the current version of Glen Rice…he has consistently let other guys come in and take over his team. Say what you want Denver was AI’s team when AI was there. It is now Chauncey they call commander in chief. Melo has never been the main guy on his team and probably never will and if he is…that team won’t win either.

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