Smack / May 27, 2009 / 3:55 am

Dwight Howard puts LeBron Inc. on the brink

Dwight Howard (photo. Mannion)

Dwight Howard (photo. Mannion)

Late in overtime of last night’s Eastern Conference Finals Game 4, as Dwight Howard stepped to the free throw line with a chance to potentially put the game on ice, Doug Collins said, “This is when young stars become men.” If that’s true, than young Dwight became a man last night, as he hit those free throws to cap a 27-point, 14-board, 3-block performance and the Magic took a 3-1 stranglehold on the series … As it should be, overtime was a shootout between Dwight and LeBron. Dwight threw down a pair of monster dunks right off the bat, LeBron hit a three, then Dwight scored again inside. Then after Mickael Pietrus hit a three, Dwight cushioned Orlando’s lead some more with a tip-in. LeBron (44 pts, 12 rebs, 7 asts) responded by getting to the rim a couple times and converting, and with Cleveland down four, he hit a tough three while toeing the sideline with four seconds left. After Rashard Lewis split a pair at the line, the Cavs were out of timeouts and had to inbound from the baseline. LeBron was able to get open and launch a deep three from near halfcourt that looked like money coming out of his hand, but veered to the left and off the rim … The Magic shouldn’t have even let it get that far, though. While Rafer Alston, Courtney Lee and Pietrus rained threes to help build an eight-point lead in the fourth, the team missed their chance to put the game away because nobody would take it to the rack and force the Cavs to make it a free throw shooting contest. Instead, Orlando spent the latter part of the fourth bricking long jumpers under duress, and LeBron almost single-handedly brought the Cavs back. With 6.4 seconds left, Orlando was down by one before Rashard (17 pts) saved them with a turnaround three, and on the Cavs’ ensuing possession, LeBron drove on Pietrus and — depending on who you ask — either tripped on his own feet or got fouled, going to the line with 0.5 seconds left. Facing what looked like the two most important free throws of his career, ‘Bron made them both, although the second one sat on the rim for what seemed like the length of Kobe Doin’ Work before falling in. Dwight and Anderson Varejao wrestled over an alley-oop that went nowhere on the other end, which Orlando fans would still be furious about had they ended up losing in overtime, but honestly there was enough contact on both sides to justify a no-call …

LeBron James (photo. Mannion)

LeBron James (photo. Mannion)

The Cavs led by eight at halftime on Boobie Gibson‘s three right before the buzzer, but Orlando came out on a 7-0 run to start the second half and got back in it, sparked by Rafer’s jumpers. Skip (26 pts, 6 threes) was making the defense pay for doubling Dwight, and those weren’t even his easiest shots of the night. One time he walked the ball upcourt and it was like the Cavs forgot he Skip on the floor as he casually stepped up to the arc and drilled a trey … That two-hand double-clutch dunk LeBron had in the first quarter, well, there are only a few guys in the world who can make that play and dunk the ball that hard on just a couple steps of build-up. An underrated yet amazing play … We could have gone without Pimpin’ Craig describing Mo Williams being “in full lather,” when he talked about Mo’s pre-game shooting routine. Mo (18 pts, 5-15 FG) was under a lot of scrutiny after his “We’re the best team in basketball” series guarantee, and you could tell. For a minute he came out playing more like the Capt. Jack Sparrow version of PG we’d become used to in Milwaukee and had almost forgotten about … Funny how the NBA will fine players and coaches for publicly criticizing the refs, yet they’re rescinding techs and upgrading/downgrading flagrants left and right. (Expect at least one of the technicals called on Dwight and Patrick Ewing to get wiped away over the next couple days.) Somebody should let Stu Jackson and his people know that all they’re doing is retroactively making their refs look even worse and undermining their authority … Another gem from our favorite NBA Twitter fiend, ex-UConn/Nets/Warriors point guard Marcus Williams: “#15 for the Magic got Scream mask eyes.” If you catch any funny ball-related Tweets, don’t hesitate to let us know: smack@dimemag.com … We’re out like Mo Namath …

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152 Responses to “Dwight Howard puts LeBron Inc. on the brink”

  1. AZ says:

    DON”T BELIEVE THE HYPE!!!!!
    KOBE WILL WIN MORE COOKIES THAN BRON BRON WHEN ITS ALL SAID AND DONE………FIRST

  2. parinaz suns says:

    looks like David Stern’s dream finals won’t be happening this year…

  3. smoove chips says:

    I gotta be one of the few people who dont mind stu n em playing big brother coz some of the calls in these playoffs are ludicrous.lebron is a flucking beast.fwe other platers hold another squad in the palm of their hand till the whistle blows.much respect.who the fluck knew delonte had post moves?!i know david stern is sick this morning.on another note thank you jr. and dahnt.we’ll see you nd your crew at the staples center. big up to my nightshift lakerholics!and dime…, pimpin craig ?mo namath? Nicely done!

  4. Marvin says:

    You know what? Maybe Phil Jackson was right regarding Dwight Howard over the player he would choose to build a team from scratch… Just maybe…

  5. solomon (el latino machismo) says:

    gut sez this would go game 7… and eventually o-town would pull off the greatest playoff upset in the history of david stern LOL…

    anyway, it’d be safe to say that – lebron / kobe, nba finals – won’t be showing this year… at least…

    we’re out like stern’s dreams

  6. Flying_Aussie_Dutchman says:

    LeBron turned the ball over a lot during the 4th and OT. And he looked PISSED at his teammates.

    Nuggests-Magic finals would be a lot of fun to watch. Yet im moving house during the series, so I cant watch :(

  7. biggeddy says:

    Dude, I thought that last LeBron shot was in. Not many players can make you believe a half court shot, at the buzzer, for the win, is likely… He’s just a beast. I’m a Lakers fan so I got my man-crush on Kobe, but ‘Bron will probably go down as the best ever when his career is over. He’s like a cross between MJ and Magic, and stronger then both… it’s just not fair. If the Cavs lose this game. I think he’s gonna comeback next year with a vengence… might avg a triple double, might avg 40… anything is possible.

    BTW, Lakers vs Nuggets game 5 is gonna be a double digit win for the Lake Show. I have a feeling every slumping laker breaks out of their slump and has a good game. I don’t care how good Denver is playing, Denver’s best vs L.A.’s best goes to the Lakers and you all know it…

    Lakers are gonna match up much better against Orlando then the Cavs did also, plus we’ll have home court. Lakers in 6 both series.

  8. QQ says:

    Magic wins. YEAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!

    Damn. As happy as I was seeing my Magic do their work, I am DISGUSTED by how refs are blatantly giving the calls to the Cavs.

    I’m not even gonna talk about Pietrus’ ‘blocking foul’. But Andy V’s ‘defense’ on Dwight on the final play in the 4th, that’s fucking disgusting. Yall Lebron nutlickers say that calling fouls on Dwight even if he is just jumping straight up is justified because every time a player jumps, refs assume that there is contact. So I’m gonna say that every fucking time a defender goes directly under his man while the player is jumping (what Varejao did), that’s an automatic foul. I’m gonna use the same argument you fools use: even if there is not enough contact, doing that justifies the whistle just because every time you do that, the refs assume there is some contact. Yall see it called hundreds of times in the reg.season.

    It’s kinda funny though. You see these bogus calls, and your team still wins. Deal with it, bitches.

  9. Marian says:

    seems like trouble in paardise fpr lebron.
    hope this goes to seven, just for the fun of it.
    ilgauskas gotta give the cavs some more

    http://zo33.mybrute.com

  10. John says:

    Well, on the trade deadline the Cavs refuse a Wally Z. + talent + picks for Shaq, because ” could mess with the locker room thing” , I tell you that a Lebron, Varejao and Shaq front line would be very hard for the Magic to contain. First because Howard would have to play defense, and second beacuse he would have to show some moves, instead of dunking on everybody ,,, The Cavs are done, next year get rid of Wallace, Wally and put 2 10 M players on that team. And by the way, next year the Magic will have Jameer back, ough ,,,

  11. QQ says:

    And yall know Doug Collins love Lebron so much he can’t even call him out if he stagnates the offense, but even Doug goes ‘Man, oh, man’ when he saw the replay on the Magic’s last play.

    Fucking disgusting.

  12. sans says:

    Great last play in reg by Orlando…well drawn.

    As a Cavs fan, I’m gonna throw up in my mouth a little bit every time I see a wide-open 3 for the rest of my life. Combine that with drinking nights before reffing 5-6 games on the weekends and I might end up puking on some kids.

    Qusetion: Why don’t the Cavs match the Orlando small ball squad? Bron has been beasting Shard, while Pietrus has been playing him better than anyone else I’ve seen. Really, Z and Andy V need to get something going.

    The way Mo’s played so far in this series, he might not survive in Cleveland during the off-season. Is this his first post-season? Even so, he needs to learn to stop going 1 on five on the break and blowing possessions.

    Seems like Delonte’s the only man on the Cavs not named Lebron. Everyone else seems shook.

    Cavs are still gonna win the series, but they need to play better and stop letting Orlando shoot wide open all day, even if that means allowing Dwight more reign in the paint.

  13. SparkyJ23 says:

    “but honestly there was enough contact on both sides to justify a no-call”
    He was wrestled to the fucking ground?!

    Yet when the golden child falls over his own fucking feet trying to draw contact he gets the call?
    fucking bullshit

    Here’s one for the conspiracy theorists among you
    1 Howard doesn’t get that bullshit tech rescinded
    2 Cavs win the next and somehow the Centaur picks up a tech and misses game 6 which the Cavs win
    3 Game 7 guess who wins…..

  14. jones says:

    The Cavs have lost all the games in which LeBron has scored more than 40 and won the only one in which he’s scored less than 40.

    I think LeBron should stop trying to look for his stats and work to keep his team more involved.

  15. Lee says:

    How many teams come back from 3-1. Looks like it’s Bye bye Bronie !!!

  16. Coop says:

    Orlando has a hostory of choking. I still think the Cavs are in with a shout here.

  17. Kudabeen says:

    Just when I was starting to think Mike Brown has turned the corner to being at least a decent coach he shows in this series why he is not a head coach. Reality is not very many people can be head coaches and make a difference, but when you have LeBron your job is to make his job as easy as possible. That is not happening. His substitution patterns are erratic and at times irrational.

    Stan Van Gundy is turning the corner from loud mouth stubby whiner to plain speaking motivator of men. Go figure…

    Dwight most of the game was being very tentative and it made the game more competitive than it should have been. I loved how Gortat was playing. I’m still waiting for SVG to play him and dwight together more. Rafer had a great game especially when his play was foreshadowed by the interview with him saying he will make them pay for not guarding him.

    I have to admit, while I didn’t think the Cavs would have an easy time against the Magic I did think they were going to have an advantage at PG and forward. I thought Hedo would hurt the Magic more than help in the playoffs against tougher defensive teams, but Magic has made a slight adjustment and are just killing Cavs for their play on the pick and roll.

    Magic really need to not rest with this 3-1 lead, because Cavs still have the best player in the series and desperation brings the best out of many players. They don’t want to repeat the 2004 Orlando performance.

    SVG spoke on this and I really was pleased with the way he called out the player’s pride in how they approach game 5.

  18. abpin says:

    Kobe with his team now = 0 Rings.
    Shaq (in his prime) + Kobe = 3 Rings.

    Lebron with his team now = 0 Rings.
    Shaq (in his prime) + Lebron = 309798629870932 Rings.

  19. knock knock says:

    “A lebron james team never panics” – Lebron James

  20. that's whats up says:

    favorite Twitter fiend?
    that’s about right…..

    Cavs won’t win.

    Howard was pulling Varejao down the way you push a stripper down to wax your pole
    good no-call

    I definitely do NOT see Orlando winning it all, so the Nuggets will take it in 6

  21. sans says:

    Dwight seriously fouled Varejao the whole sequence on that inbounds play–grabbing and pinning his arm, jumping over his back and reaching while Andy played straight up, and taking the Brazilian to the floor hard with his tangled ass antics. Great no-call because Dwights antics didn’t get him the ball to tip it in. I’m really glad that Verajao didn’t flop there, even with the loss in OT.

    Now if only he could guard anyone on the dribble or on the wing.

  22. fK says:

    @abpin

    Too early to be drinkin son. Put the windex back in the cupboard

  23. Joshua says:

    lebron gonna pull a d-wade out of his ass watch and see ;)

    http://kall-jo.mybrute.com

  24. Metropolitan's Finest says:

    that was by far the best example of a well reffed game last night in these 2009 Conference Finals.

    There were 2 calls I could disagree on, but it was very consistent and you saw the game not slow down like all the others…

    That said…I don’t know why I hate LeBron soooooooooo much, but I hope he NEVER gets a ring and he’s 1 game away from fishing.

    YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYA

  25. fallinup says:

    It’s over. Magic in 6…nuff said.

  26. doc says:

    Bron gotta be pissed.I dont know what else he can do.@jones-U say he need to pass the ball?To fucking who.He is passing the ball and they throwing up enough bricks to build that D-league arena in Cleveland they gonna be playing in when Bron bounce in 2010 if they keep this pussiness up.Orlando showing me they got guts in gut-check time.I guess 7 good ballers are better than 1.Only reason these games have any resemblance of close games is that 1 player is a fucking monster.Like I said yesterday.He might have to pull some 60 pointers out his ass.But the crazy thing is he so fucking dangerous I’d be a fool to say its over even though its 3-1.I think if they win at home the pressure jumps on Orlando for the first time all series.But first they gotta WIN.

  27. fallinup says:

    Oh and BTW…did anyone else feel the refs totally suck the life out of that last Orlando run when they threw out the two phantom technicals at Howard and even Ewing???

    As much as they tried to give the game to the Cavs, the Magic still squeaked it out. But it shouldn’t have even been that close, and shouldn’t have went to overtime…the officiating was once again, bullshit, erratic and inconsistent.

  28. mules says:

    @ post 14
    The problem is no one else on the Cavs even looks like they really want to score. The 7 assists he had would’ve been more in the 12-15 range if his shooters hadn’t decided to go cold in the second half…hell, Varejao even bricked a gift-wrapped dunk late in the 4th.

  29. jzsmoove says:

    Dwight Howard took Sideshow Bob/Mel to school tonite. Howard should have had the chance to win it in regulation YOU CANT IMPEDE AN OFFENSIVE PLAYER FROM HIS NATURAL SHOOTING MOTION (ALBEIT A DUNK). Magic going to work in OT was fine though. I really hate this curly top sideshow.

    Dont even front, you know that a Nuggets-Magic Finals would be entertaining basketball. It would be more entertaining than a kobe-lebron matchup trying to one-up another.

    Go Magics! Go Nuggets!

  30. jzsmoove says:

    Oh yeah and I’m getting used to these 40 pt games from Kobe-Lebron i dont mind at all its great. Except it only justifies the fact that their benches are thin and they suck. The Finals will be a one on one match between the two demigods. The billing Kobe and the Lakers vs. Lebron and the Cavs would be approriate as such. Both has got to upgrade their benches next year.

    Go Magics! Go Nuggets!

  31. doc says:

    @iso-See what I was saying about Mo and Skip.Mo not really better than him at ALL.

  32. QQ says:

    ‘Magic really need to not rest with this 3-1 lead, because Cavs still have the best player in the series and desperation brings the best out of many players. They don’t want to repeat the 2004 Orlando performance.’

    While it is true that the Magic should not let up and relax, I don’t think what happened in the 2003 (your talking bout the Detroit series right? Up 3-1, then lost? That was 2003) playoffs will be repeated.

    Why?

    Because that 2003 team has someone named Tracy Mcgrady, a cyborg destined to never advance past the first round.

  33. Metropolitan's Finest says:

    @ Post 24…

    You are sooo right man

    speak the truth

  34. QQ says:

    @ 33 Metropolitan’s finest:

    What the fuck?

    Post 24 is… you.

    You’re repping yourself?

    And I thought Mo williams is desperate…

  35. E$ says:

    Dwight went into superman mode in the OT

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ49iKCMUrs

  36. doc says:

    I was cool with the refing this game.They let them play and Dwight was fucking Andy up probably more than Andy was bumping him.Good no call.But whats up with Andy and coach of the year Mike Brown in OT.How do u let Dwight get 2 dunks and a layup to start OT off.They havent heard of hacking a big who cant shoot freebies that good in the clutch instead of allowing him to dunk.What is Dwight 60 percent on freebies and like 100 percent on dunks.Thats a common sense basketball play that u supposed to make in that situation or your coach just not ready.Can u imagine the Denver letting that shit go down?

  37. doc says:

    @qq-lol-He fuck me up with that too.Im just glad u recognized Bron brillance in your happiness.Because damn is that cat trying.Some times when somebody take a L u just cant hate.When a dude dropping Malt Liquor numbers every night and cant get a win it just aint your time.

  38. Metropolitan's Finest says:

    LOL i thought it was a good point about the refs

    but yeah Bron isn’t gonna do anything!!!! til he finds a competent Center or until he finds his Scottie Pippen

  39. Saku 39 says:

    I still can’t believe Mike Brown was named COY. What a joke.

  40. QQ says:

    @ doc: haha, this fool repping himself? Now I’ve seen everything. Yeah, I can’t hate on Bron. That kid is doing everything but wipe his homecourt’s floor.

  41. Simon says:

    I’m kind of disappointed in Dime not mentioning Lebron’s 8 turnovers. When you mention his stat line you have gots to give props to the near quadruple double!

  42. BERN BROGDEN aka BINO BROWN STR8 UP N DOWN says:

    KRAY ZAY!!!!

    Pietrus iz BUTTA!

    Dwight’s a man. Z and Andy can’t BANG WIT HIM at all.

    If the ball doesn’t slip outta Delonte’s grip at the end…game over.

    CAVS facing ELIMINATION from now on. I don’t see them winnin’ 3 in a row.

    Damn, now I wish the Cavs did face some adversity earlier, now they gettin’ thier ‘battlewound’ reps in…but it’s too late.

    I know for a fact Rashard was in SEVERAL Cavaliers’ Nightmares last night. REAL RAP. That Rashard and Dwight Combo is a helluva anchor. Then Hedo gets it goin. And their shooters get it goin.’ Real, real, real, tough cover for Lebron’s crew.

    Lebron was DRIVING last night.
    Delonte was DRIVING last night.

    (CRICKETS CHIRPING)
    Boobie tried to make a splash.

    (OK – MORE CRICKETS)

    Andy and Z have been EXPOSED as below average or they’re really playin’ an above average front line.

    Why doesn’t Lebron stick Shard in crunchtime? I heard commentators on ESPN and on TNT floatin’ that idea around…seems plausible.

    I’m out…like THE SHOT OF MO’ WILLIAMS…wtf???

  43. the_don_mega (representin' the 3 stars and a sun) says:

    the magic are just f’n destroyin’ the cavs… at the rate they playin’… they can take on any team that comes out of the west…

    gotta feel sorry for bron though… true that the refs got his back… but cat is flat out tryin’ his best to make this a series… for that i give him credit… but he alone could not take on the entire magic team…

  44. Metropolitan's Finest says:

    @ QQ

    Please shut your loud yap, it was a joke post

    anyways I can hate on Bron simply because he’s out there trying to hold down the courtyard like its a pick up game and not playing TEAM BALL

    BUT that also has to be blamed on the coaching staff for not drawing up plays for other people just him

    Bron holds the ball entirely tooooo much…statistics and history have told him, he CAN NOT WIN 1 vs 5

    this aint new to him, so he doesn’t get a sympathy pass or he’s the best!!!

    THE BEST FIND WAYS TO WIN, even if they know they need to have their teammates win without him stealing the show!

  45. doc says:

    @Simon-8 Turnovers way to much,BUT he got the ball every damn play so if the team got 12 turnovers he probably gonna have 8.And he got a little tired probably down the strech.Its HARD doing what him and Kobe do.U seen Kobe couldnt even stand up to talk last game they won.He was sapped!Bron was catching charlie horses after game 1.They carrying squads on they back,its just a little more obvious with Bron team because he would kill for a Pau Gasol or even a soft LO or underacheiving Bynum,shit he’ll probably take every Laker besides Luke Walton.But Im enjoying all these games.They all been epic except for that ass whipping the Lakers caught the other day.I hope they get it in tonight and it come down to Phillys Finest aginst Melo Man back and forth in the clutch.

  46. Dagomar says:

    Damn, okay, as a Cavs fan, serious props to the Magic. Always loved Howard and he’s playing a bit like Russell sometimes around the rim, which is great to see. I always thought Lewis was crazy underrated and he’s showing why this series. That team has a SERIOUS shot at winning the title, though they don’t cause as many matchup problems against the Lakers or Nuggets I don’t think.

    As for the Cavs . . . what can you say? They had a shot to win all four games, but it’s taking Lebron having one of the all-time great playoff series just to get them there. 42.3 points, 7.3 rebounds and 7.3 assists. That’s what he’s averaging. Meanwhile Mo is shooting 32%. This Cavs team just can’t win in the ECF by riding one player – doesn’t matter if it’s Lebron or Michael or Wilt.

  47. rangerjohn says:

    i have to say the cavs looks so strong early on and now they are nothing more then a disapointment. they should have been swept out the door had it not been for a lucky shot by labron. how do you go from DESTROYING teams by an average of 18 points to being swept yourself? i guess it shows just how weak the east really is.

  48. doc says:

    @Met Finest-The best aint winning shit without talent.We see it every year.Bron cant get it done this year.Kobe couldnt last year.They the best right?Best PG CP3-got his ass handed to him.Best SG-Kobe with Wade behind with Roy behind.Kobe still here but the rest is gone.SF Bron PF-Tim Won all he gotta win but stayed with talent.C-Dwight,Yao.Dwight showing what he can do with talent around him and Yao to brittle.Besides Kobe and Tim,the best aint won shit.But besides maybe CP3 Bron got the worst talent.

  49. Simon says:

    @doc,

    True enough, if you always have the ball I suppose you will get your fair share of team turnovers, similar to getting all the buckets. I definitely agree that all the games and the playoffs as a whole have been sick. People talk about league conspiracies and all that junk, but you can’t even script more competitive games.

  50. Canada says:

    8 TURNOVERS!!! Doug Collins is such a superstar dick rider that he can’t say anything negative about Lebron. Better then Kobe? Yeah right….Kobe doesn’t turn it over 8 times in any game let alone a crucial one. Not once did Bron say “my bad” when he mad those horrible passes, especially the one to D-West..how was he supposed to catch that? Or the back court pass? Please don’t anoint him until he has EARNED IT!

  51. doc says:

    Here comes the Kobe would never shit.U better worry about Rupaul or Terrance and Phillip talking that bullshit.Kobe fucks up too.U think Kobe or Mike never had 8 turnovers?Would u bet your life on thats?

  52. fallinup says:

    @27

    So, so true! You’re so damn smart. I wanna have your babies.

  53. doc says:

    @fallinup-LOL

  54. Canada says:

    @ DOC…. I don’t like Kobe but he is better then Lebron…check the stats, find an 8 turnover game by Kobe or Mike in a PLAYOFF GAME….I’m sure they have had 8 turnovers but NOT in a critical playoff game…argue all you want…king james my ass….Don’t you actually have to win a little thing called a championship BEFORE the greatest ever talk begins…

  55. Metropolitan's Finest says:

    @ doc

    Bron has talent around him…

    he has an All Star (Mo Williams)

    He has a former DPOY and NBA winner – (B.Wallace)

    He has height / NBA experience – Big Z & Sideshow Bob

    He has young talent w/ experience – B. Gibson

    He has 66 wins and 2 sweeps in the ’09 season

    He has what is supposed to be the best COY – Mike Brown (JOKE – He just got blessed with an all out Beast of a player)

    Point is the BEST (OF ALL TIME) willed their team to win, I never said he isn’t great or doesn’t want to win, But a team is a reflection of their leader.

    From the Owner -> to the GM -> to the Coaching staff -> to the Franchise PLAYER

    LeBron doesn’t know how to win because his team doesn’t know how to win, that’s why the Spurs put it to them in the finals and that’s why Orlando is ready to pull a 5 game sweep (lucky shot in game 2)

  56. Metropolitan's Finest says:

    LOL @ Fallinup

    loser

  57. QQ says:

    ‘Please shut your loud yap, it was a joke post’

    Looks like someone’s mad! HAHAHAHA.

  58. fallinup says:

    @ 56

    Says the dude that forgot to switch his nickname before commenting on his own post.

  59. Risingdown says:

    @ 57

    Yeah…what an idiot!

  60. Andrei says:

    this could have been 4-0 for magic or 3-1 for Cavs easily, so stop farting around about how the Magic is destroying the Cavs.

    The story with so many matching problems for the Cavs is total BS. grow up guys. it’s like i am having a 3-3 game and keep telling to myself that the only reason the others win is because they are taller. stop playing, change teams.

    It was for the first time that I saw Lebron tired, and making lots of mistakes (2 times he threw the ball out of bounds, bad shots etc.). Still he was the only one trying. Did anyone notice that the “second all-star” Mo, has not fired a single shot in the entire 4th q and OT? wtf is that? get gibson in, at least he has more guts.

    At this point, this series rests in the next game in Orlando, cause I can guarantee you the other 2 games in Cleveland are not going to be close. So it’s either Magic in 6 or CLe in 7. I am routing for the 9th team to get back from 3-1 this time…just have a feeling, Bron is not going to let this go.

    do you think orlando is going to shoot 15 3s per night for the next 3 games? I doubt it, it is too much.

    Still at this point, surprisingly I would say the nuggets are the strongest team. Nene/Martin/Birdman are very powerfull inside and billups and JR can light from 3 just like orlando is doing.

    and to all the ones that only refer to bron getting all the calls, grow up, stop playing 3-3 ping-pong.

  61. fallingaroundthings says:

    What a loser!

  62. doc says:

    If u call that talent….Mo was a all star because Bron petitioned the dam league.When u gotta put former before somebody accomplishments that says it all.He has height/ nba experience?Talent w/experience and throw out Boobie.Come on dog u not helping your Bron got talent argument.U right he NOT the best of all time I say he CAN be.He got plenty of time to get his in we forget he 24.Just because he taking a L this year dont mean it a wrap.

  63. doc says:

    @canada-U right about Kobe-He only had 7 in game 6 when they got eliminated by san an in 2003 with Shaq on his team.Mike had 8 against Orlando in 95 when he got swept.So come come again with what they never would do.

  64. E$ says:

    It’s cool to be jordan, but at least he could trust his teammates – Kobe & Lebron can’t do that

  65. doc says:

    I can keep going to Canada.Because both of them on the list more than once.

  66. Metropolitan's Finest says:

    @ Doc

    Well its not like Ben Wallace won a ring and is still playing in the playoffs so you kinda have to put former Championship winner

    LeBron has talent around him…it wasn’t scrubs who won the best overall record and home court this year.

    It wasn’t the D-League that swept the Pistons or the Hawks

    so point is your argument is weak. Talent is on every team its just a metter of who plays more efficiently and better as a team

    Wade knew how to do it…Kobe had a chance last year but his team’s talent wasn’t on par with Boston’s talent…Carmelo seems to have figured out how to play as a team and they got like the Gridiron Gang playing on that team so its Point and Match SUCKA!!!

  67. doc says:

    What?Myt argument is weak?Wade knew how to do it?If u mean this year he lost already and if you mean he won a chip he had GP,Posey,Walker and Sahq around him.Id say they were WAY more talented than this team.So Kobe had a chance and lost because of the Lakers talent,but Bron not losing to Orlando because of team talent.So in your opinion Cleveland more talented than the Lakers.Melo seems to figured out how to play as a team?Melo figured out let Chauncey run the show and to focus on scoring and getting stops with a talented ass team around him.Point match what.If u cant see they got lesser talent than everybody left then its safe to say u wont be getting hired as no scout anytime soon.

  68. doc says:

    yeah scrubs aint get homecourt.Bron did.Yeah they aint sweep Detroit and Atl,Bron did,just like Bron losing to Orlando by himself.

  69. fallinup says:

    I said it before, and I’ll say it again. Orlando matches up against Cleveland in the best possible way. Cavs have no answer for the Magic’s 3 best players. They try to fix it, and Rafer friggin Alston is making open 3′s.

    Talent can only take you so far. But if the match ups are just right, you can cancel out their talent and they have no answer for the match ups presented. See the 2004 Pistons thwomping LA for the chip. No one in their right mind could say that Detroit was more talented than that Laker team.

    In the playoffs, match ups and how the coach exploits them are key.

  70. Metropolitan's Finest says:

    If i’m not getting that Scout job

    you should definitely be hired as a Retard

    Bron cannot win alone…it can’t be done. my examples show how a TEAM wins.

    Melo figured let me get a Mini-LeBron outta here (Iverson) and bring in a TEAM player

    If you noticed Cavs and Lakeshow were neck and neck for home court so they are evenly matched and talented.

    Anyways we all know that when you get your shot you take advantage of it, he’s had his and LB23 hasn’t done anything with it…the commish/refs have given their team the road but they just stumble….so IMO he’s a LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  71. DADDY GREEN says:

    ILGAUSKAS is the main reason the cavs will lose this series. Whem him and mo williams are gettin the same looks they’ve got all year and miss them now when it really counts, thats not james fault. James did all he can and even with the refs giving him jordan calls he still couldn’t pull it off. cleveland will tweak its roster and get rid of sum old scrubs and next year it might be cleveland vs l.a in the finals for stern

    CAN ANYBODY TELL ME WHY WALLY SZERBIAK IS ON AN NBA ROSTER?????? THATS THE DEFINITION OF SCRUB RIGHT THERE

  72. Canada says:

    @doc…I posted what …twice…so keep coming at me…in 95′ Jordan just came back from baseball…Kobe had 7 yes…but my point is at that time was the league tilting things in their favor on a nightly basis…I’m talking about him being called the “the king” “the chosen one’ better tehn Kobe and assorted other hype creating fodder… When he earns something then talk… He’s the “mvp” right?…COY, former DPOY, all-star point guard plus the refs in your pocket how much more does “the chosen one” need?…admit when you made a mistake. His 8 cost them the game. So keep defending your idol, be real and admit that 40 plus points doesn’t mean you had a good game if your team lost!! Aren’t you late for work or class or do you sit on here waiting to support your boyfriend…LMAO

  73. Booga says:

    UH-OH, time 2 break out w/ tha D-wight Howard puppet and use CGI 2 replace that Queen James one in all those commercials that are being ran. Mike Brown needs 2 use a lil zen master technique and keep Queen James off tha floor 4 a lil bit, even if it’s at least 5 min, jus so tha team can regain their confidence cuz u know Queen James is blowing up at them behind closed doors 4 not stepping up…..how can they if dude is taking all tha shots, bringing down and demanding tha ball….no trust cuz he doesn’t give a chance 2 earn it, one mistake and dude is mean-mugg’n them. Bron is defitnely MJ/KOBE b4 tha Zen Master. Magic gonna end it in 6!

  74. knock knock says:

    haha bron sweeped them huh?? Its funny at all these posts claiming that it’s only cause of lebron when his team is losing and its everybody else’s fault when they’re losing??

    two things EVERYONE should consider:
    What were the negatives people said about lebron earning mvp??

    2-6 cavs record against elite teams in reg season
    1-3 cavs record against elite teams in the playoffs

    All this nonsense that the cavs are better in the playoffs is mute. If you watched the reg season you would already know this was going to happen. –

  75. the_don_mega (representin' the 3 stars and a sun) says:

    @fallinup – that’s damn right bruh

  76. iLL Mago says:

    The only good player with Bron is Delonte West

    Oh, and Williams didn’t earn his all-star….it was handed down to him by injuries from TRUE all-stars. Jameer would’ve carved him up something nasty in this series.

    Williams and West have the same height and skills, it’s just that West is smarter and a better teammate.
    BIG changes in Cleveland this off-season lest they want to lose King James

  77. K Dizzle says:

    Anybody else wonderin what the phuck post #59 is tryin ta say?

    Great game by Rafer. 3 straight jumpers as Cavs were threatenin to get away was cash. I forgot how good Pietrus was cuz he showed flashes in Oakland, but he’s been murder vs the Cavs. Finally, props to Hedo and Shard. Dudes been playin on some personal “F-u” ish. Hedo gonna get his 9 mil per and it’s gonna be a bargain and Shard hittin these big shots all casual late is sick. JR Smith needs to watch Shard. Dude hits big shots and don’t show no emotion, like he know hisnshot is money…or like he been there before.
    I’m lovin the fact that the Bron/Cav fans were sayin the finals was a guarantee when they went 66-16, but totally ignored the fact that they were trash against the elite squads and now we seein how the Magic doin em, his teammates suddenly “ain’t shit” no more. You can’t have it both ways. Either you the MVP and you carryin and elevatin your teammates, or it ain’t your time yet.

    Lakers all day
    peace

  78. doc says:

    Yeah I mean when the Lakers and Cavs were running neck and neck nobody said they were evenly matched besides at one posistion.All I remember reading was how they aint shit against good teams.@Canada-If u read your post u said Kobe doesent turn it over 8 times in any game let alone a crucial one,so how am i supposed to get u just dont like him being called the King out of that.U said some bullshit.I pulled out the facts to stop ya bullshit.Nothing more or less.And Im actually on a plane on my way back to my beloved hometown after putting in serious work on the ballcourt in Italy.Bitch.@Metropilian -U think Bron wouldnt let Chauncey run the point on his team.Its just that Mo aint got the handle to run no offense.U cant knock his style of play now when it got him this far.They just gotta retool they team.Its like practice for Shard Hedo and Pietrus right now.When they get the ball swinging and get Cleveland rotating its Mo,or Delonte running and jumping at Rashard and Hedo while they shooting.Its basically practice.They have ZERO chance of putting a hand in a face let alone blocking a shot.There is no fear factor of another player.And they gotta stop playing a PF/C combo.They cant keep up.i think Mike Brown think the NBA gave Bron a 20 game series because he damn sure aint showing he thinks he needs to changeup.Big Ben or Andy CANT guard Shard or Hedo!

  79. LakeShow84 says:

    Lol here we go with the “Lebron doesnt have talent around him” BULLSHIT..

    1 week ago when everyone was firing on all cylinders you never heard that shit.. gimme a break.. Lebron has a competent C, an All-Star PG, and everyone else is DECENT.. only problem is now that everyone is overmatched its the supporting casts fault.. Magic causes matchup problems.. you cant say a 67 win team doesnt have good role players.. thats goofy..

    The problem with the Cavs is EVERYTHING runs through Lebron in crunch time and and at this point in his career he is 1-dimensional in crunch time.. They never work a 2 man game with Mo/West and Ilgauskas/Varejao, never set up plays to get their 3 shooters a good spot up shot (and when i say set up a play i dont mean Lebron driving and kicking) and the ball doesnt even really move side to side.. its always Lebron starting from the top driving his way in.. that shit is one dimensional.. and annoying considering 40% of the time he gets some bulllshit call..

    Props to the Magic.. and the underground hero of this series?? Pietrus for his decent crunch time D and big scoring plays.. that man is playing good on both ends..

    LMAO at everyone saying the Cavs still has a chance.. does anyone realize this SHOULD”VE been a sweep?? like i said playing scrub teams dont get you nowhere.. they been a mirage all year.. looks like that 3-6 record against elite teams holds truth dont it..

    Dont believe the hype!

  80. K Dizzle says:

    sorry apparently it’s post #60 I’m wonderin what the phuck is sayin…

  81. QQ says:

    I don’t get it. Yall acting like yall knew the Magic were going to be 3-1. Yall acting like ORL was clearly the better team, that they were the favorite. Come on, I’m a Magic fan, and I knew that we’ll be the underdog.

    Just read the Cav’s side on the blogger faceoff. The Cavs were up 8-1 in Vegas betting stations. PEOPLE EVERYWHERE WERE SURE THAT THE CAVS WILL OBLITERATE THE MAGIC.

    Wake up, people! The Cavs had the best record, they were going to the Finals, etc. They were most people’s pick.

    My point is, the Cavs are the favorite, and the Magic are taking them down. Don’t say now that the Cavs are overrated; instead, say that the Magic are just that good.

    PS: Now, let’s look back at the very confident blogger and his take:

    ‘After breezing through the Pistons and the Hawks the Cavs finally face a squad that could give them a series. In theory. In theory, Orlando presents a difficult matchup for the Cavs, who’ve had trouble defending dominant bigs like Howard and long athletic shooters like Hedo and Rashard Lewis. And that’s how it played out in the regular season, with the Magic being one of only two teams to take the season series from the Cavs.

    But the Playoffs are different. And the Cavs have the real Superman. On and off the court, LeBron leads his team like nobody else in today’s NBA. He might as well be Coach. There’s no measure of LeBron’s value, but we can be sure that thanks to him, the rest of the Cavaliers are greater than the sum of their parts.’

    ‘If you don’t believe us, ask Vegas. They’ve installed the Cavs as 8-1 favorites to win this series. Ask yourself why, if Orlando took two of three from the Cavs and gave them their worst beating of the season, would Vegas be practically begging you to bet on them?

    Probably because they know something.’

    ‘See you in the Finals. We’ll face our demons there, Cleveland-style. LeBron vs. the Curse of Chief Wahoo. A truly epic clash.

    Cavs in 5. 6 at the most. ‘

    SEE MY POINT? We were David, they were Goliath, not the other way around.

    Go Magic!

  82. QQ says:

    PPS: Lebron’s team is good, great even. When they were winning, the talk is how good Mo is, or how good Varejao’s defense and hustle is. Now they’re down 3-1, they suddenly became a bunch of scrubs. That’s bullshit.

    They were a great team. Yall knew it. But we’re just making the BETTER plays and playing with MORE heart.

    Don’t act like we’re just lucky to play with Bron and a bunch of scrubs. It aint like that.

  83. doc says:

    Yeah of course people gonna say they team winning the chip.I said Sixers in 4 against Orlando thats called being a homer.Of course Cleveland a good team but in this final four they are undermanned.And not as TALENTED no matter whatever way u wanna slice it.@qq-Of course people not saying Cavs gonna destroy them no more.U can only say what u see.Of course NOW we all see Orlando better.but calling people out for repping they team.Would u have been wron g for saying yall gonna win in 5 if Boston beat yall in that 7.No because thats ya squad.Lakeshow was u wrong for saying Kobe gonna run through Boston last year and the league this year when yall STILL AINT OUT THE WOODS WITH DENVER.Of course u rep ya favorite player.Mine is Bron and Im repping still because I got like 10 more years of seeing great shit out of him.How big they hype train is dosent matter to me because I got my own hype train for players I dont pay attention to that shit.And on mine Bron still ahead of schedule.When he 26 and chipless then i’ll think he overrated.

  84. doc says:

    And qq-Yeah the Magic balling.The most credit go to them.

  85. Andrei says:

    @ K Dizzle – post 60 is saying the Cavs will win in 7. Orlando will not get 40+ points from 3 point range all day long, and Bron will not have 8 TOs and 1-8 from the three point line.

    Still, the Cavs have lost because they are not playing the same basketball that got them 66 wins. Indeed, all atacks through Bron is too much (really bad plays fro him some times), and I am not sure who’s decision it is (Brown, Bron, rest of team being afraid to shoot the ball).

  86. doc says:

    I’ll take my Sixers team with Bron over his team now.Dre Miller better than Mo,Iggy better than Delonte,Bron better than Thad but he’s a future stud.Give me young reece over Andy,and Sammy over Z slow ass.Real shit.

  87. Metropolitan's Finest says:

    @ QQ

    I hate you but I admire what your team is doing

    lol

    P.S.

    I hate you

  88. fallinup says:

    @ QQ

    Just for the record, my man. I went grave digging.

    “May 21st, 2009 at 8:55 am

    fallinup says:

    And let me add it now. Unless Bron mans up and takes on Rashard…Lewis is gonna get his all series. And if he doesn’t, Hedo will go off for at least 30.

    Howard, Lewis, Hedo….the cavs have nothing to guard that front court. Z is slow, Sideshow Bob is too busy getting up his acting chops and can’t play, and Big Ben…yeah right.”

    I know I said this earlier but..This was after game 1 in the DimeSmack. I was just hoping the Magic would beat Boston cause they have the best chance to beat Bron. The match ups were there…they proved it when they played in the regular series.

    So not everyone thought the Cavs v. Magic series would be a Cavs cakewalk. :)

  89. LakeShow84 says:

    @ DOC..

    You cant compare Kobe/MJ to Lebron because while those 2 mightve had those TO’s in those games Lebron makes CRUCIAL mistakes in CRUNCH time..

    Shit the game winner he hit?? covered up the fact he got called for charge (go figure) and missed some BIG FT’s in the final couple of minutes.. All series long he has made mistakes in the end game of this series..

    Lebron is top 3 no doubt but start to finish?? Gimme Kobe.. or MJ since we bringing him into it lol.. and also gimme Dwade over Lebron for the overall crunch time package..

    LMAO at everyone saying Lebron should mentioned in the same breath as other all time clutch performers.. Besides those 2 FT’s last night how many OTHER crucial FT’s has he made in the playoffs?? hes always good to brick em..

  90. erichv96 says:

    so, not to get off subject, but did you hear that lucky motherfu*ker Marko Jaric knocked up Adrianna Lima??? How did that even happen???? That kid is going to be the antichrist or something….

  91. QQ says:

    @Metropolitan’s Finest:

    HAHA!

    I hate you but now I’m starting to love you because someone who is repping himself in a basketball forum clearly needs some love. Whatever childhood trauma you experienced to be like that, I will listen. It is not too late.

    @fallinup:

    LOL. Ok. Everyone NOT NAMED fallinup thought the Cavs will obliterate my Magic.

    Keep reppin my Magic, bro!

  92. Metropolitan's Finest says:

    @ QQ

    i went down to Orlando one time and saw them play,

    (I was trying to go to all the NBA arenas at one point, only got up to 5, but oh well)

    and the fans are mad cool…crazy Ricans everywhere but it’s nice because I definitely didn’t expect them to get this far and I HATE LeBron so I’m glad that if anyone had to win this Championship it would be Kobe (so he can get his without shaq) and Orlando as a second option

  93. liukz says:

    I promise the NBA will make the cavs win this series. I just feel it. EVERYBODY saw it last nigth they did everything for Lebron to win the game

    By the way LEBRONS clutch performance in the last 4 minutes:
    4 turnovers,including 2 bad passes
    1 airball
    1 brick

    NOBODY talks about that? with all this debate thing?

    For the magic to win the series agaisnt the referees thell need to win by 30,otherwise the zebras will attack AGAIN. MARK my WORDS the NBA will Make the CAVS win

  94. K Dizzle says:

    @ Andrei

    If the Cavs come back and take the series, then that cements Bron as the best in the game today, but they won’t…cuz he ain’t the best…Kobe is. lol
    The beauty of what Orlando is doin is that Dwight has yet to really go off. The open threes are there because Dwight demands a double team and even when they don’t(and they shouldn’t cuz dude has ZERO post up game)Hedo, Shard and Pietrus move the rock so crisp that Cleveland always scramblin. Move the rock like Cleveland used to. Now it’s give it to Bron at the top and hope he can do somethin. Cavs playin bad ball right now. Bron averagin like 42, 7and 7 and they still barely got a game.

    @ Doc – and that’s without Elton Brand who would have done work in the playoffs

  95. weezy f says:

    are these the best playoffs ever?

  96. QQ says:

    @liukz:

    ‘hahaha we are already beating the magic and yes im gonna say it : referees are helping us big time ,Lebron can do whatever he wants hahaha i know orlando fans are hating it hahaha. But man thats the way it is ,it was wade, but Lebron is nba’s darling now
    Deal with that! GO CAVS…’

    Now you are a Cavs hater?

    Wassup with that, fool?

  97. Ian says:

    Canada
    Pleaseeeee kobe cant do half the shit lebron does with scrubs kobe needed a gift from west to get out of the first round kobe had the pippen role when he won if you pair bron with in his prime shaq you can have an argument of whos the best on the team. What did kobe do with scrubs???nothing first round exits bron with scrubs deep playoff runs. Jordan couldnt take scrubs out of the first round. Stop the check the stats bs you rather have ricky davis than battier on your tram?? Check the stats , stupid right?

  98. Claw says:

    Wow a whole 2 bad passes, that weren’t bad the one would have been a layup but Dwight got a hand on it, an airball with time running out they throw it to Lebron to hoist up a 25 footer and a brick from 35 feet???

    Lebron was inches away from stealing another game, he makes that shot and has pulled off a “magic” ending.

    Nobody on the Cavs stepped up, Mo was talking all that sh*t and his butt was puckering in the 4th and OT, he’s never been in this situation before with the Bucks so he should just keep his mouth shut if he can’t back it up.

    Magic are just bigger at nearly every position, and their guys can shoot the 3. Cavs have matchup problems but with Lebron they could make the comeback, they need to win that first one in Ctown but Orlando just takes it up a notch at home.

    @liukz
    Get off the pipe, the NBA doesn’t make teams win or the Spurs wouldn’t have one championship.

  99. LakeShow84 says:

    @ liukz

    no they dont talk about it because it would be admitting Lebron isnt good at something in the midst of this “Lebrons the cream of the crop” debate..

  100. Metropolitan's Finest says:

    ahhhhh the NBA Playoffs

    where Amazing happens

    LOL

  101. Ian says:

    Metropolitan
    You are kidding why the kobe talent excuse right?? They lost because their talent wasnt on par with the celts??? Please man. Making up bs excuses for kobe and bashing bron who has way less talent than kobe around him.

    Canada so what if jordan came back he played he lost period.

  102. liukz says:

    @ QQ says:
    Like i said before im a bulls fan and a LEbron FAn, and i wanted the cavs to win BUT I AM A FAN OF THE GAME and i believe NOTHING should be more important than the game itself
    I saw the refs helping Bron in the first one,i thought it was some home court stuff we see everygame
    BUT THEN it became ridiculous in orlando too
    And i dont want the cavs to win just because the league wants to. I HATE this is happening,im not a blind fan. The GAMe is most important than any team or player

    So im bulls fan, but i can root for any team i want because im an nba fan. I m not hating the cavs,but like i said the NBA is gonna make them win

    so thats “wassup” fool, i know u dont understand only inteligent people do

    by the way i give u this explanation because i want to, because i dont have to

    PS: thanks for saving mi post from like a week ago, you are a good FAN ;)

  103. liukz says:

    @ Claw

    A 35 feet brick? No that was the final shoot and i can understand that one

    Im talking about the one he took a minute before when he tried to get a foul from howard FOOL

    you kobe and lebron fans are as blind as the zebras calling the games. shit

  104. Bron42 aka Had Springs Before Slamball says:

    @doc, you can’t really give shaq wades credit since wade was in the playoffs from rookie year on (not counting the year he was hurt) meanwhile lebron didn’t even make the playoffs his first years. Wade has been a beast from Day 1 and he didn’t even have a real jumpshot back then…well cept when baron davis was guarding him.

    @fallin up, I got you beat by almost 5 months saying that the magic would beat the cavs. Go alllll the way back to when phil said he’d take dwight over lebron…who was the one sayin “wait till they play in the playoffs” or a month ago when everyone was on their “oh well them beatin the cavs in teh regular season doesn’t count, lebron won’t let them lose”…check and mate.

    And hmmm it feels soooo good to be right. All the people who jumped on me for saying orlando would beat the cavs…tell me how my ass tastes :) I’m not gonna pull a tmac though and say “wow its good to be to the finals” but unless the magic fall completely apart, the magic are looking solid. What happen to all the “o dwight doesn’t deserve double teams” or that you can’t go to him in close games? hes gettin doubled every game and hittin from the foul like with a better % than lebron. Give the man his props…Dude can’t even celebrate without gettin T’d but he is steppin up.

    Everyone knows I hate lebron, but I gotta give him some credit, he is tryin to do everything he can. I personally think hes bein a poor leader though. Your all sayin his turnovers are cuz he has the ball 90% of the time but as the “king”, hes gotta keep his guys movin and motivated on the court. Everytime the magic come back it turns into lebron just jackin while his guys stand around. Hes gotta direct them on the court more…its easier said than done though. At least the refs are steppin up to help him out alil. David stern is about to pay someone to happy gilmore dwight with a car before game 5.

  105. LakeShow84 says:

    Cue Ian with the Kobe bullshit lol

    aye i forgot to say i have SF4 Ian and i would love to woop u up on behalf of the Laker nation.. fricking bitter Spurs fans..

    We lost last year because our team wilted away in the Finals.. was it really Kobes fault?? thats the shit im talking about.. if Kobe loses and his team plays like garbage it fall SQUARELY on Kobe.. dont mention Pau Gasol getting mauled by the inferior Perkins or Odom pullin a Houdini.. shit was Kobe playing D on Allen when he blew by for the last second layup?? riiiiggghhhhttt..

    When Bron starts slipping its all about his teammates not showing and i even heard hes tired this postseason..

    Negroids please..

  106. Ian says:

    thats the whole point if it wasnt kobes fault why the hell is this brons fault.
    i would love to spend 10 mns inside a kobes fan mind it must amazing. i didnt want to see say shit about your post till u mentioned me but dude everytime some player does something you bring out your bs lebron hate.

    love how bron doesnt get people involved in crunch time but kobe does right??? thats why he of all the leading scorers in crunch time kobe shots the lowest percentage.

    go read post 89 and skip who wrote it youll have a good laugh kobe is OVERRATED in crunch time his numbers and rate of success back it up. when the fuck will people realize hes has had the tmac of orlando type of career since shaq left and before gasol got there. sportcenter is a hell of a drug.
    he has a way more talented team than bron whoever says otherwise is talking out their ass.

    take the lakers without kobe denver without billups orlando without howard and the cavs without bron. which team is the worst? this is what doc is sayin hes not talking vs the whole nba.

    i hate kobe and i hate lebron and i hate jordan so im talking with the same biased hate for the three.

    now give me your fucking psn id so i can woop you right now. best out of 5? ill 360 your sagat spamming ass easy.

  107. robmo35 says:

    I’m a little confused. Is LeBron and company still doing that family photo thing in the pre game? LeBron might want to get some different cousins.

  108. Ian says:

    one more thing bitter spurs fan??? why because we are having a bron kobe argument and i didnt choose your side? wtf is that?

  109. Guitar Hero says:

    PATRICK CHEWING!

  110. doc says:

    Thats all Im saying.Thanks Ian.@Lakeshow-U cant say it wasnt Kobe fault then put this on Bron when he putting in way more work than kOBE did in that loss.And u never heard me say give Bron a last second shot over Kobe.I never heard nobody say that come to think of it.That shit be in yall heads because yall so mentally scarred because Kobe aint the media darling.Aint nopthing Cavs fans can say right now Orlando handling house money,but Bron clocking in every night.And u think he AINT tired.Him and Kobe tired as FUCK.Come on dog I know it feel good to see Bron down but he still that work.

  111. doc says:

    Thats all Im saying.Thanks Ian.@Lakeshow-U cant say it wasnt Kobe fault then put this on Bron when he putting in way more work than kOBE did in that loss.And u never heard me say give Bron a last second shot over Kobe.I never heard nobody say that come to think of it.That shit be in yall heads because yall so mentally scarred because Kobe aint the media darling.Aint nopthing Cavs fans can say right now Orlando handling house money,but Bron clocking in every night.And u think he AINT tired.Him and Kobe tired as FUCK.Come on dog I know it feel good to see Bron down but he still that work.And them turnovers was in a game 6 elimination loss and u telling me they wasnt important.Lets call it both ways is all im preaching.

  112. doc says:

    @dizzle my nizzle-I forgot about Elton.Bron come to Philly we got a real team to put around u.Dre Miller,Iggy,Bron,Elton,Sammy,with Thad and Lou(light years better than Boobie by the way),and Reggie Evans(What Andy wanna be) coming off the pine.We way more talented than the Cavs.

  113. doc says:

    And u right Bron Wade went from year 1 but Bron was balling with Ricky Davis as his main man,Wade had LO Caron the Butler did it,and Skip.Totally different main man.

  114. LakeShow84 says:

    No your a bitter Spurs fan because you got nothing but venom to spit at my boy ALL DAY EVERYDAY.. all this post Shaq talk is just that.. talk..

    but thats my bad i was going to add to my last post that it SHOULD be on the SuperStars shoulders i wouldnt want it any other way.. i dont get mad at Kobe taking the brunt of the hate but if you do it with him do it with everyone.. i have no problem saying Kobe didnt lead us PAST the promised land last year.. i can break it down because im a fan but every other fan will say “Kobe got shutdown”.. thats how it is..

    A couple of first round exits?? lol when did Shaq leave?? like 04-05ish?? its only been 4 years and Kobe been back to the finals already.. get over it! some great players never even make it there.. before it was Kobe wont even make it back now its he cant win it..

    And overrated?? yeah ill let you stick to that one Ian.. you got all your 82games.com stats with you so there aint no convincing you.. but like i said if coaches, fans, LEGENDS all say it, HEY you got ur stats man.. im sure Magic, Bird and Jordan never read the content on 82games.com cuz if they did, OH BOY! they would truly know whats up with Kobe

    :/

    But you bitter because my boy OWNS you.. even during your last chip run when we were garbage we took 3/4 from you guys during the reg. season.. as a Spurs fan i know the next best thing to winning a championship for you guys is beating us.. And face it.. as long as Kobe been a Laker we have had MORE winning moments against you fucks..

    its beautiful..

    but neways whats your screen name?? im at work but ima find time to flash kick some common sense in ur ass soon you prick :)

  115. the cynic says:

    can we have just one week without a Lebron/Kobe argument? I thought this site had addias advertisement, not nike. Hopefully I won’t have to watch those annoying puppets anymore after game 5.

    That was probably the best reffed game of the conference finals

    Mo williams just isn’t ready for the big time, he is a deer in the headlights on the court

  116. Ian says:

    doc
    “@Lakeshow-U cant say it wasnt Kobe fault then put this on Bron when he putting in way more work than kOBE did in that loss.” and this is all im sayin hehe.

  117. doc says:

    One more for u Lakeshow-That Mike 8 turnover game he got stripped at the END if u didnt know.I would call that a crucial situation.

  118. BERN BROGDEN aka BINO BROWN STR8 UP N DOWN says:

    KOBE? LEBRON?

    Nah, fellas fellas fellas:

    The story is the BS call on Dwight.
    SKIP OWNIN’ the THIRD.
    PIETRUS STROKIN’ THEM AT THE MOST CRITICAL TIMES
    DWIGHT – CAN’T NOBODY MAN UP ON THIS NUCCA
    I mean, Perk can do it why can’t Z or Andy?
    HOW that 4th QUARTER was bananas under the 7 minute mark.
    How critical turnovers and bad decisions REALLY did in the Cavs.
    ANDY with the “i’m not goin’ put any form into this shot” 3-point play. That was definitely an UGLY and-1.
    RASHARD killin’ ‘em softly. Dude SLEEPWALKS though WHOLLLLLEEEEEEE GAME and AWAKENS WITH 3-PT DAGGERS THRUST ALL UP IN YOUR RIB CAGE.
    HEDO – DITTO.
    MO’s DISAPPEARING ACT.

    Orlando took care of business at home and on the road.

    IT BETTER NOT BE THAT TIME OF THE MONTH AND THE CAVS BETTER NOT BE B*TCHES – ‘CAUSE THE MAGIC SMELL BLOOD!

    Does Orlando actually have a back-up point guard or is that a pitbull?

    LAST NIGHT : I saw 5 INTENTIONAL ELBOWS.
    Obviously, the CAVS were on some other ish.

    Did I see Gibson HIP CHECK the ish out Orlando’s pitbull?

    Might have to get the BODY BAGS out for GAME 5.

    DEUCES.

  119. doc says:

    @the cynic-I wish we could appreciate both to dog,but whenever one wins or loses somebody comes with the other couldnt do that BS.Like we aint see both of these motherfuckers destroy people on a daily basis since they stepped in the arenas.And it starts the debate.They both so good that fans want the fans of the OTHER player to side with them or they think they a dickhead or retard.I actually heard somebody get called a racist because he like Kobe more than Bron!

  120. LakeShow84 says:

    @ DOC

    No i aint scared Kobe aint the media darling because i KNOW he isnt.. my point is the media Darling (“King” James) is being touted as the best player in League when the best player in the league wears Purple and Gold.. and hes the best because he has EARNED it.. thats why i get on Lebron.. i see a man who has had EVERYTHING handed to him.. Money, fame, a city.. EVERYTHING.. now hes being regarded as the best because he is the most EXCITING?? nah theres a difference.. and i bring up the last shot arguement because if he aint the best in crunch time he aint the best period.. even the refs hand him shit when everyone KNOWS they doing it.. i cant respect that shit..

    i know the mans tired but no excuses.. shit every ahtlete at the end of every game is tired.. but once again, NO EXCUSES.. i heard that shit and it irked because it came out like we should have sympathy.. what Jordan wasnt exhausted and ill in Utah when he came through??

    but yes lets call it both ways..

    @ Ian – Also it aint Lebrons fault no one else is involved in crunch thats the coaches faults.. im talking about RUNNING PLAYS for other players.. the ball always touches Lebrons hands in the crunch time when hmmmmmmm has he EVER been used as a decoy or something else creative?? not put him at the top of the circle and let it rip.. Shit Kobe dont play in a me-first system like Lebron.. Kobe MAKES it a me-first system most the time but the triangle is predicated on teamwork and passing.. thats why you’ll see Kobe come down sometimes and not touch the ball.. Thats why you’ll see D-Fish jack a game tying 3.. its more of a team game by design.. Lebron touches the ball on EVERY SINGLE possession.. watch it.. it aint his fault because i know Lebron would rather pass the ball in half of those clutch moments..

  121. POPPI GEE says:

    Dang over 100 post and it’s just lunch time. Anyway, LeBron is amazing but he just doesn’t have the right folks around him.

    Cleveland fans should be rippin the GM for not giving LeBron enough to really accomplish his goals.

    These refs are horrible but some of it’s funny. Some of the calls are so bad all you can do is laugh.

    Anyway Kobe is better than LeBron over all but that ain’t saying LeBron ain’t great and amazing. He just hasn’t had the right tools around him yet to give a proper comparison and Kobe is further ahead. Still both are awesome.

    Perhaps LeBron don’t care cause he know he leaving but whatever he does he needs to demand better help around him. Else we will continue seeing this amazing player score all these amazing points and accomplishments yet he will not reach his goal.

    Real impressed with Dwight and Raw-Lew and crew. They holding it down despite refs. Really hope this doesn’t happen.

    Cleveland wins next game and towards the end Dwight gets a tech.
    No Dwight the next game so Cleveland wins that too.
    Finally it’s game 7 and the Magic get done dirty in efforts to send LeBron to last round. I am just saying.

    Go Lakers Go Magic!

  122. doc says:

    @Lakeshow-I feel u that u think Kobe earned his shine but Bron WORK HARD on his game.They aint give him SHIT!He came and took it.If he came out and was a dud u think he would get this hype.Where’s the Kwame Brown hype train.I remember when he was the number 1 pick and they was talking that next Moses Malone shit.He earned his hype.Now they do go overboard but they thirsty for a trancendant superstar and they tried Yao but his bones are MADE IN CHINA cheap.They tried Kobe but he started smelling himself and assholes,and Wade just not reliable enough as far as is he gonna be here in 10 years or somewhere with no knees or back Penny Hardaway style.Who would u hype if u OWNED the league?look how the Kobe Lebron hype goes on and on.Nobody cares about nobody else.I bet u if a D-Wade fan came on here talking shit like he on par with these 2 he would barely get a response.But throw these 2 in a discussion and somebody likely to get killed.

  123. knock knock says:

    The nba, where you did all you could do shooting brick after brick. Where all your points come from freethrows giving you the highest “PER” LIKE EVER. The nba, where after destroying hawks and detroit makes you a championship contender. The nba, where getting destroyed in the reg season by the same team killing you in the playoffs means nothing. Where amazing happens..

  124. Ian says:

    again lakeshow your psn id?

  125. LakeShow84 says:

    @ DOC & IAN

    Both you two started the debate before i got into it.. dont front.. bringing up MJ and Kobe in the same breath as Lebron.. shame on you guys.. then Ian tears off into his Kobe overrated talk and i had to chime in..

    You cut off point for being overrated is in 2 more years Doc.. u might want to get an extension :)

  126. falloutboy says:

    dwight is a beast!!

    http://sarsarap32.mybrute.com/cellule

  127. knock knock says:

    question for lebron fans since theres so many:

    Who has the #2 defensive player of the year ever shut down??

    -Is he to busy guarding Skip to My Lou to guard someone his own size?

  128. doc says:

    @Lakeshow-Naw some dude name Canada said Kobe and Mike never had 8 turnovers so I pulled some 8 turnover games up for his ass.I dont compare Mike,Kobe,or Bron.Bron got a totally different game from both and Kobe got a totally different game than Mike.Mike aint do half the shit Kobe do on o right now.Mike just went to that low block at Kobe age,gave u a shoulder shimmy ,the turnaround J the shit out u.Kobe more start at the perimeter and work it however he feel.Bron like a big ass J-Kidd.I’ll never compare them even if they all get 6 rings.Naw he dont get a extension Lakeshow.I was always told if u work hard on your game and body your prime is from 26-32.So I judge them all by that.I told u I got my own hype train.

  129. Ian says:

    i didnt bring up anything lakeshow i answered 2 posts well after you commented so i dont understand really what you are sayin the funny thing is you keep talking about the jordan/kobe group then the lebron group when did kobe join that elite group?? when he was the second best player on a championship team or when he was blowing big leads in the finals or when he was blowing 3-1 series leads?? again i didnt start shit i was talking to someone that said “look at the stats” like that proves something.

    knock knock
    dpoy is for the season overall superstars dont get shut down it doesnt matter who guards them i think i proved this when people talk about rodman how he got owned by malone kemp and kersey.

  130. doc says:

    Question for knock knock-Who has your favorite player shut down?Who are u a fan of?Because I think u a closet fan of Bron because all your post consist of asking us about him.

  131. Ian says:

    so how about that woopin in sf4 for the laker nation?

  132. LakeShow84 says:

    @ GEE

    There it is!! Lebron is AMAZING.. shit i chuckled to myself when he got in for that 2 hander in the 4th.. the boy is nasty.. but he is 2nd best no doubt.. shit ill give him being ONE of the most exciting talents the league has quite possibly EVER seen.. but thats where it ends.. hes up there and i honestly believe IF HE WORKS hard enough he will be the best but right now?? Nah im sticking with the Mamba..

    @ DOC

    That kid gets all the calls in the world GIVEN to him.. and thats off top.. anyone who has an UNFAIR EGDE in a game i dont respect quite as much.. and call it what it is.. that ref shit is an unfair edge.. it might not be his fault but that dont stop him from lowering his shoulder at the end of games and MAKING the refs GIVE it to him.. and i feel Lebron being the only major talent that is truly marketable but my issue is where the title of #1 comes in.. he aint the best and thats what gets me going.. he COULD be the best.. shit within 2 years if he works on his J and his D but until then the best player is on our team.. and like i said hes EARNED it..

    Shit can you imagine Kobe shooting 10-15 FT’s EVERY SINGLE GAME?? he would be unstoppable..

    @ Ian

    SdiamondS84.. come get some..

  133. LakeShow84 says:

    I thought it was insulting to thought that Lebron was voted ahead of Dwade in DPOY..

    Look at the positions first off.. a SF is supposed to freelance.. its unheard of for a SG to be down on the block DARING PF’s and C to come into his kitchen..

    And he averaged more Blocks & Steals than Lebron which were also improvements from his last year while Lebron had the same stats across the board.. sickening..

    DPOY?? Howard or Artest..

  134. doc says:

    He do get the favorite son treatment from the refs.But I would be more mad at him for NOT taking advantage of some shit like that.They been doing that for they golden childs though.Remember the old dream team clip when Bird Magic and Mike taking the pic and Magic say dont get to close to Mike its a foul.Mike got mad too because he said what u know u aint played in 2 years.Just saying u cant expect him to go to a press conference and say stop calling shit for me.It just looks blatantly worse now because they not letting the dudes get physical at all no more.And whats that in PS 3 go to docioraw.I just got home and I will go buy any games yall got to bust that ass like bron gonna do Kobe next year lol.

  135. doc says:

    Yeah well Wade D wasnt there against bum ass ATL so Im not mad.

  136. LakeShow84 says:

    @ IAN & DOC

    Aye i got a 360.. i can still play you guys in certain games right?? im not too good with that..

    get that Street Fighter 4 game DOC.. its a coo little classic fighter.. im on that Madden too if anyone wants to get brave..

  137. Metropolitan's Finest says:

    DC Universe vs Mortal Kombat is pretty wicked too

    But I’m glad that most (Intelligent) people believe that LeBron has enough talent on his team but the fact that he doesn’t know how to win is the reason why the Cavs and he won’t win

    - a ‘Ship or ‘Chip as some say

  138. doc says:

    I got 360 too.I aint shit in Madden though,Ill 2k9 that ass all day.

  139. LakeShow84 says:

    Ima add you DOC.. i got 2K9 but im rarely on it..

    i think i might have to shake off the rust so i can murder yas one time.. the mamba be dropping 60-70 ALL DAY lol..

    Aye Ian just add me and when i get home ill accept it..

    Shit messin with you two i might have to change my name to some shit like “Lakers Lagoon” or “Purple/Gold/Cold” or better yet “Kobe4President” lol

  140. K Dizzle says:

    lmao @ “IT BETTER NOT BE THAT TIME OF THE MONTH AND THE CAVS BETTER NOT BE B*TCHES – ‘CAUSE THE MAGIC SMELL BLOOD!”

    @ Lakeshow – Fight the good fight, kid

    Ian – you still mad at Fish? lol
    Doc – If Bron comes to Philly, NYC will shut down for a week to mourn even though we all know he ain’t lookin at NY

    This is what it is. we Laker fans gotta rep Kobe hard cuz the new breed of Lebron fan got too much too soon(yeah, Bron been workin, but he been handed some shit) They saw this kid come outta high school and start wreckin shop, they seen him go into Detroit and put up 29 at crunch time, they seen the almost trip-doub in NY and annointed him King, became “Witnesses”, they saw him get to the Finals and get crushed so now they act like it’s a birthright that Bron gets a chip every year, like he paid dues. well, he ain’t. Every week, I got some fool tellin me that LeBron’s the best, gonna be the best ever. Well, I take that shit personal. There graveyards full of dudes’ dreams who got to the Finals and came away with nuthin. I’m trippin on how you can be the best but you never won anything.
    How stupid Shaq look for sayin he won everywhere EXCEPT college, international, and the pros? I watch the matchups, watch both they games. Kobe won both games this year. Kobe doesn’t miss freethrows in the clutch during PLAYOFFS. Kobe can post up when things get hectic and slow it down for the squad. I hear all the stats but I see kobe hittin tough shots when the team is down, strugglin to get that chip. What’s sad is that WHEN we get that chip, the haters are already prepared with the venom: We gotta listen to fools sayin Lakers ain’t been shit since Shaq left. Fools actin like rollin out a startin core including Smush and Kwame Brown in the WESTERN CONFERENCE is cake. So the gm finds a sucka and swings for some help. Timmy got Tony and Manu. Nash had Amare and Matrix. Dirk had Jet and Howard. DWill got Booz. CP3 got West. Why can’t Kobe have Pau. Dudes been callin the dude soft all day but whenever he brings it, then “Lakers got lucky that Memphis stupid” What y’all want us to do? Turn down that deal? You think Lebron takes that deal?
    So now, we back on the comeup. We the only franchise, apart from the Yankees, Detroit Red Wings, and healthy Boston and San Antonio squads that only a championship is a successful season. Cleveland caught fire and shocked EVERYONE cuz can’t nobody say they saw this season comin.
    Now Laker fans and Kobe got that double edge sword. We need a ring and we got heads sayin “Bron is better, maybe of all time” I don’t even wanna know what Magic, Mike, Russell, Wilt and Oscar think about that in this pussified NBA. All I know is this. When we win, then the haters will pull out the Kobe ain’t shit without Pau, like anybody EVER did it on their own. Laker fans don’t care about that shit. It’s a weak argument. Naw, what we NEED is Lebron in the Finals. I appreciate QQ and Snoop’s love for they squads, but it’s not D Stern, there’s no conspiracy. Haters get ridiculous when they teams start to fade. It’s basketball fans. Real fans. I wanna see the two best in the WORLD go up against each other. Kobe guargin Bron, Bron guardin kobe. Denver and the Magic nice, but I’m lookin BIGGER picture. Only place to settle who the best is on the court. I want that ring. Laker fans as hungry as Kobe is. We know there be 29 other teams sayin that Kobe ain’t done NUTHIN without Shaq. We just tryin to kill 2 with 1. Win the chip. Beat Lebron. Tune out the haters, cuz like Katt Williams said – The object is to make the hater hate you ever harder.
    The hater is the joke.
    Lakers tonight.
    I’m out

  141. doc says:

    I feel that Dizz.They seen the future coming and promoted it like it was here already.I cant say nothing about The Black Mamba.I didnt expect the Lakers to win shit during them missing the playoff first round exit years.They wasnt shit besides Kobe.But cant nobody hate when a fan explain it like that.Way better than Bron aint shit Kobe is the greatest ever that is all.@metropolis-So do you think Cleveland would make the playoffs minus Bron.I just named my 6th seeded Sixers player for player and we were better.How are they more talented than say the NETS.gIVE bRON dEVIN FOR mO AND vINCE FOR Delonte and Brook for Z.The hole just glaring right now and if u cant see it then hey.But I see the Magic out there and they all believe they got the mismatch and they ALL DO.

  142. doc says:

    i just hope Bron and them get it before Kobe fall off.I NEED to see that matchup.like how mike finally got it and caught Magic before he left in 91.We around them times for these 2 now.Think about it.Mike made it in his 7th year.Magic was in his 12th.They like the exact same timeframes.I dont wanna see Kobe win 1 or 2 against somebody else then Bron come win when Kobe playing SG for the Sixers when he 42.But yall hold the fort down in LA for yall team I like it.Because yall was saying the same shit back then.Mike dont know how to win.He’ll never get it.They hyping this kid up when Magic is the man.Same shit different era.I know whats coming.

  143. Canada says:

    @DOC… You said you are on a plane from some overseas league after putting in serious work…oookay…but you have more posts on here then anyone else…CRUCIAL TURNOVERS…not talkin about mike when he came back rusty from baseball…put Bron in the same situation and he gets the call…GO home be happy see your girl…but get a life and stop spending your day on message boards…don’t you have friends… other then the Lebron puppets…overseas…yet another dream chaser…bitch!

  144. Canada says:

    @DOC…Yor first post was 8:33am… i went out in the real world…not frontin on my computer…and you are posting right up until 4:17pm…GET A LIFE..HAHAH AHAAA…CHUMP!

  145. K Dizzle says:

    Dude, please STFU if you can’t stick to hoops. You know they got wireless on planes now right? Name callin and all that other grade school shit means you losin the argument. Change your screen name. I got boys up north and you embarrassin they country

  146. doc says:

    @canada-I just put in a hell of a season overseas I put in work BELIEVE ME.Im off the plane now still here.I aint doing shit but falling back today.But Im on here EVERYDAY PIMP.Outside of Canada we get internet on cellphones.When I open my phone my shit go to dimemag.When u make ya own money u can buy shit like that pimpin.We love ball on this site so id rather talk about ball than go hang out to please u.Call me a dream chaser if u want.I just get played to play and played against ALL the players u just talking about.Check me out this summer in Vegas at the summerleague.Where u playin?

  147. doc says:

    meant to say paid toplay my bad

  148. doc says:

    http://video.aol.com/category/dawan-robinson thats all I can find on here right now but I know I got more shit I just dont know how to find it.

  149. Ian says:

    lakeshow
    what that id is for ps3 or 360??? cuz i have sf4 on ps3 but ill get if for 360 if i can woop u there just let me know if diamonds84 is for 360.

    k dizzle
    hehehe i was never mad a fisher. (well except in 04)

    doc
    i added you yesterday (ps3 right)but for most of the online gaming give me your 360 id. get sf4 on the 360 so we can play with lakeshow.

    metropolitan
    really u liked that? i personally think it sucked.

  150. doc says:

    @ian-I forgot my dam 360 id.Yeah thats my station 3.Ima add u tonight.

  151. lisa says:

    lebronze muppet set his self on fire last nite

  152. ponky_alolor says:

    @ doc and other cavs fans, i’m a lebron fan also but last game was brutal. the turnovers, forced shots, his team left him. Damn its hard to watch our boy get smashed like that.

    what you think about lebron posting up more? i mean i know he doesn’t like it but the few times he posted pietrus it was an easy play and very efficient. I got sick and tired watching that “i’m gonna dribble at the top of the key as dwight and pietrus will jam me” play. Don’t know if that was how Mike Brown drew it up but it wasnt working out.

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