College, NBA / Jul 23, 2009 / 4:11 pm

Best players to never make it in the NBA

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Marcus Hatten

Slow news days in the offseason lead to inter-Dime crew arguments that last way longer than necessary. Last week it was the “Who has the best handle?” debate. Today, after Marcus Hatten of all people got a mention in Smack, we’ve been talking about the best players we’ve ever seen who didn’t make it to (or stick in) the NBA.

Everybody’s got a story about one: A dude who never made it past the playground, a high schooler who was G-O-D locally, a college guy who you just knew had pro game but for some reason didn’t work out. Maybe the guy even got drafted or had a 10-day, but he never stuck around to make an impression.

Who’s the best player you’ve ever seen who never made it in the NBA?

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207 Responses to “Best players to never make it in the NBA”

  1. dre says:

    earl ‘the goat’ manigault

  2. bobby stew says:

    Best player I ever saw who didn’t make it to the NBA was this kid named Jerod Thompson. JT looked nothing like a ballplayer. Small white kid. Maybe 5’11 145lbs soaking wet. He had an ill crossover and a lazy left handed stroke that was money from about 30 feet. And he won a summer league dunk contes!!! His game was crazy. In my mind the only reason he never got a shot in the league was his size and maybe a little reverse racism. I know the league has had players like Mugsy, Spudd, and Earl (Boykins), but has the league ever had any small white players? Anyway JT gets my vote and if you saw him play you probably agree.

  3. Andy G says:

    Khalid El-Amin

  4. Amanda says:

    Joe Forte….. left Carolina too damn early.

  5. Will says:

    Doug Wrenn. A hot head from Seattle, WA. He used to give Jamal Crawford, Jason Terry, Mike Dickerson, Mark Stanford, Donald Watts,GP, Shawn Kemp, and all them boyz that played at Ballys and Seattle U the biZZZZness.

    He went to Uconn and got in some trouble then bounced around several leagues, but he was the truth!

    I have played ball from coast to coast and I thik he was the biggest waste I have seen. most of yall wont know him because seattle didnt get props back then..

    That is all.

  6. sh!tfaced says:

    Adam Guier. Best player never to make anywhere.

  7. goonther says:

    G-mac baby…

  8. Hanleezy says:

    Ronnie Fields, youtube this guy, filthy.

  9. JCUB says:

    Ed Cota comes to mind…

  10. Kyle Mac says:

    Khalid El-Amin

  11. robmo35 says:

    Pete Woolfok: He played for University of Richmond back in the mid to late eighties. 6-5 center who absolutely destroyed David Robinson when the Spiders played Navy. Too short to play in the post in the bigs, and too slow to make the transition to the wing, he never garnered any NBA interest. There was a time when a 6-5 and under league was starting to form, but it didn’t take off until years later as the WNBA

  12. HBooyah says:

    Joe Forte, Matean Cleaves, Ed Cota, Ed O’Bannon

  13. edub says:

    Here’s a better view of the Lebron crowning.

    http://ebaumnation.com/2009/07/22/jordan-crawford-dunks-on-lebron-james

  14. thenatural says:

    @JCUB

    Ed Cota for sure… didn’t he have 20 assists in a college game once?

  15. wiz says:

    ndui ebi…………….

  16. Yoooo says:

    Dajuan Muthafluckin Wagner… Damn Juanny!!!

  17. Mr.Wang says:

    this fake Hot Sauce
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuGoOLu_IH8

  18. SoopaTroopa says:

    CHRIS HERREN.

  19. MJAX says:

    Walter Berry….Miles Simon….Anderson Hunt

  20. unknown says:

    Anwer Khaja, Bayview Secondary School, Richmond Hill, ON, Canada
    This guy was a 6’1 guard who was just filthy…once scored 30+ in a competititve high school game and almost dunked before blowing out his knee at 15. He was NBA material fo sho!

  21. sh!tfaced says:

    LEN BIAS……….

  22. Simon says:

    Leroy Smith! You know, the guy who motivized Michael Jordan!

  23. SK says:

    Trajan Langdon.

  24. ALLDay says:

    Living…Jimmy King(Original member of Fab Five)

    Deceased…LEN BIAS( Would’ve killed the League .was a beast in the ACC.)

  25. Kevin says:

    Miles Simon, Arizona Wildcats.

    Never paned out in the L for some reason but was siiick in college.

  26. Hanleezy says:

    Wow a Chris Herren mentioning, lovesit.

    Ask Kevin Garnett about Ronnie Fields

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mctbSPT-UIg

  27. tindore says:

    Elton Brown…. played for virginia a few years back… but this guy’s a monster rebounder and very physical, a double-double machine.

    Darius Washington…i hope he makes it back the L, missed free throws are the reason he isnt playing in the NBA.

  28. LB says:

    Dre, you were old enough to have seen the Goat? What was his game like? What kind of player was he? I know almost nothing about im. It’s too bad, cuz if he came up in this day and age, he would have gotten mad love like Skip, Bone Collector or Homicide.

  29. MJAX says:

    SoopaTroopa – C.Herren was/is NYCE!!!!

  30. thenatural says:

    the 2000 draft class comes to mind…

  31. thenatural says:

    darius rice also…

  32. D.I. Dollar says:

    Bobby Hurley

    Charles O’Bannon

    Shawn Respert

    @ 22 what the hell is motivized???

  33. Shawon D says:

    Tie: Randolph Childress and Lou Roe

  34. SoopaTroopa says:

    @ MJAX, HANLEEZY

    if you ever get the chance, read “Fall River Dreams” (basically the story of Chris Herren). great read.

  35. Koop says:

    The dude Ron Artest said was the best player.

    Queenbridge for evea!!

  36. Spliff 2 My Lou says:

    Hank Geathers. I never saw him play but I figured the guy deserves a honorable mention.

  37. Spliff 2 My Lou says:

    My bad Gathers*

  38. LB says:

    Dajuan Wagner was the truth! When he first hit the league, I thought he was the next Iverson. Wonder what comp he’s killing right now? Last I heard, he was playing pro in Poland, but that was a couple of years ago.

    Always thought Troy Bell could make it in the League (so did the Logo, Jerry West, who drafted him in the first round). Had great handles and athleticism. In college dude could get the rim at will.

    Another dude I liked alot was Hollis Price, a skinny dude who shot the lights out. Put the Sooners on the map by leading them to the Final Four. Would Blake Griffin had come to Oklahoma if Price hadnt led Oklahoma? Maybe not. Always wondered how Juan Dixon could stick in the league, but not Hollis Price, seeing as they both had identical games.

    Come to think of it, all the guys I listed were all undersized 2s. It’s like they came an era too early, before the League started embracing Ben Gordon and Monta Ellis type players.

  39. Tbest says:

    Best I ever saw at the time vs. their own level of competition.

    Estaban Weaver at age 16 (around 1996)
    Schea Cotton at age 14 (around 1994)
    Charles Haney at age 14 (around 1994)

    They weren’t necessarily better than the players listed, but for their time and age they were great. This may be an answer to a different question though.

  40. Ravi says:

    HOOK MITCHELL

  41. LB says:

    Oh, forgot to mention Alimoe from And 1. At 6’5 or 6’6 with his handles and court vision, he could have carved out a Brian Shaw-like career AT LEAST.

  42. Clutch says:

    got to second that on Miles Simon. He was flat out a top five college player when hge was at Arizona, good handel vision and shooting ability. Though he wasa tad small for the SG slot at 6’4, there are plenty of players that are 6’4 that stick in the league and even do well. Ben Gorden, JJ redick, Wade, etc.

    Also another zona player, Salim Stoudamire, best shooter in the last 20 years in college, put REdick and Loften to shame. I have never seen a player move so well with out the ball, have such a quick release and be able to shoot in so many ways. Pull ups from either side, runner, floater, fades, catch and shoot. You name a type of Shot and Salim would drop it in from anywhere on the court. Supposedly for shooting practice he would shoot 10 times from every letter on the Arizona mid court logo with the cactus and nail them all.

    Also another is recent. Reggie Williams from VMI, 6’6 and a pure scoring machine and two guard who never got any real shot at the league do to comming from a small school that didn’t make the tourny

  43. Otto says:

    Andrew Parker from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. This kid was around 6’5 210. Built and could jump out the gym. Quick as hell. His only problem was that undisciplined and well, lets face it, if you grew up in Edmonton, you’re not going to get much exposure from the NCAA. Overall, dude was one of the funniest and easy going cats around. But yeah, Youtube Andrew Parker, that’s my boy right there.

  44. control2 says:

    god shammgod

  45. Michael Jordan says:

    Adam Morrison, and that Kwame Brown guy…. Oh, they’re still in the league? whoa

  46. bobby stew says:

    Randolph Childress, Scotty Thurman

  47. jeremy says:

    Gerry McNamara

  48. Will says:

    Yo! God Shammgod was nice, but Ronnie Fields was nicer! Still gotta say Wrenn though

  49. Ace says:

    I have 3. Dejaun Wagner,God Shammgod, and Ronnie Fields. Fields would have been one of the most popular players in the NBA. I think Juanny would have been like a Dwyane wade type; an undersized 2. And Shamm he would have been one of the most productive point guards in the league with a better jumpshot. He has the best handle I have ever witnessed. The man has moves named after him all over the city. That says alot.

  50. bobby stew says:

    Ricky Rubio

  51. Rare Air says:

    Ronnie Fields hands down

  52. Halo says:

    Preston Shumpert, Lawerence Moten (All-time Cuse leading scorer) & Shaheen Halloway (McDonald All-American MVP Kobes Yr)

  53. Jason says:

    Schea Cotton (mid-90s)

  54. zaboo says:

    Dwayne Rogers

    http://www.houstonpress.com/1997-08-14/news/the-legend/

  55. Alman Orna says:

    Junie Sanders

  56. Trevor says:

    Gotta agree with Hollis Price. dude was bad but was just overshadowed by TJ Ford. couldn’t believe he didn’t even get drafted

  57. Creep Swenson says:

    3 from Cal: Geno Carlisle, Jamal Sampson, and the immortal Ed Gray

  58. jef says:

    lots of international players : oscar schmidt, dejan bodiroga etc.

  59. NC says:

    Ed O’Bannon or the Terminator.

  60. Drink the Haterade says:

    OK, I got 4–

    Shea Cotton, when him and Miles Simon were at Mater Dei they were just sick. A lot of people thought that Shea could have gone pro straight from HS.

    Lenny Cooke- Dude was straight sick, he was LBJ before LBJ.

    Kendrick Brooks- Played @ Fresno State for Tark, I coach with this dude he’s still straight filthy.

  61. Tbest says:

    Ron Artest says – “Mike Chapps”

  62. Dcam323 says:

    I agree wit some of the earlier post.
    Ronnie Fields was in a car accident his senior year of school and his game and hops declined because of it.

    Doug Wrenn was a beast. he came down to LA to play in the Eddie Jones al star game. he was working out on everybody on the court.

    Johnathan Haggart was beast at PG, i was known for being a bully pg cuz of my strength. but hagg gave me a run for my money. becuz he would bully u up court then dunk on your center to bring down your team moral.

    For SoCal People. imma throw some names out: Kelon Fortune, Schea Cotton, Olijman Mann, Kevin Augustine, Alstair Foxx, Statis Boseman, Sweet Lou Wright, Kenny Brunner. thats all i could think of that came thru and killed but somehow neva got to play in the league but was giving the future nba players hell when in high school.

  63. K C says:

    Ronnie Fields – best I have seen. He is the reason KG did his senior year of high school in Chicago.
    Much respect to everyone else that has been listed too. Some I have to do some hw on

  64. cesar says:

    theo papaloukas

  65. bballinca says:

    I can’t believe someone said Hank Gathers! You do know he died befor ehe ever finished college.

    Miles Simon was merely the product of Lute Olsen system. Anywhere else he would have stunk.

    Stais Boseman was a mediocre player at USC.

    Schea Cotton was just athletically superior to his high school competition. Once he started playing with people at a higher skill level he become nothing more than a Harold Miner.

  66. Tyler Whitcomb says:

    Omar Cook, Ronnie Fields, Andre Hutson, and Homicide. Gathers and Bias would have!!!

  67. T.J. says:

    Mike Mercer. Dude was a scoring machine at UGA used to be a beast when him and Lou Williams went to South Gwinnett. I think he transferred after his second year so idk if he still has a chance.

  68. Tyler Whitcomb says:

    Whoever said Randolph and Thurman was probably real close to being right on as well as Oscar Schmidt.

  69. J 694 says:

    One of the best games I’ve seen was when St. John’s beat the Dukies w/ Hatten making that late steal and score.

    I enjoy seeing Lou Roe and Shammgod mentioned. I remember watching guys like Jerome Allen (UPenn) and Mingo Johnson (Memphis) around the same time.

    DRAGON TARLAC, though is the best player to never make it the NBA.

  70. Dirtball Rotten says:

    Randolph Childress…. was killing cats in the acc, there was no stopping him

  71. Austin Burton says:

    Randolph Childress still owns the coldest on-court move ever in an meaningful game:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRJMsoIptQo

  72. AB_40 says:

    ousmane cisse the kid had 13 blocks per game in high school he shouldve gone to college he was drafted in the seccond round in de early 40s adn well nobody has ever seen him in the nba. last thing I read about him was that he was touring with the harlem globetrotters

  73. Dagger says:

    MICHAEL JORDAN.

  74. Diego says:

    Andrew Moten, who was Vernon Maxwell’s backcourt running mate at the University of Florida. He definitely was more of a shooting guard in a 6 ft. point guard body, which I think is what did him in, although he had serious ups.

    “M&M” was one fantastic, exciting, athletic guard duo. I have always felt that with a few breaks, Moten gets the NBA career like Mad Max.

    @42: Pisses me off Woodson never gave Salim a chance in Atlanta. Whenever Salim played, I think he looked great. But Woodson just seems to screw some guys over.

  75. Joe-joe says:

    ummm len bias, the goat, hook mitchell, pee wee kirkland, brenton earley chris earley, ben wilson

  76. MJAX says:

    Salim Stoudamire is “the truth”!!!! David Jackson “The Way” just never got on for some odd reason…But Salim and this dude named Dennis Nathan who is “the light”. I watched them go head to head in a rival team match-up and they had 129 pts. between them. Both are extreme “HOT HEADS” though. I think that did them both in, sad situation…Mike Woodson didn’t help Salim much I’m sure….

  77. qbjjr says:

    schea cotton was the man back in the day, most mid 30 southern cali peeps will remember this name earnest killum. ( if you dont know, go ask nfl’s willie Mcginest about that sack crown he gave him)

  78. dennis stone says:

    I went to highschool with a guy that got a look from chicago in the early 80s he played ball at parkrose high in portland oregon. his name was Ray Bloom.I thought he was better than danny ainge who played against him in prep finals

  79. bone0315 says:

    Steve Logan, University of Cincinnati’s second all-time leading scorer. Straight BEAST for a PG.

  80. MJAX says:

    Dime there are some true names on here, got me reminiscing for real. You guys should do a “Where Are They Now” piece in your mag, or on the website. Find these cats whereabouts and break it down as to what they’ve been doing.

  81. Austin Burton says:

    Neither of them was the best player I’ve seen, but I really wanted Greedy Daniels (UNLV), Joey Brown (Georgetown) and Kareem Reid (Arkansas) to get a chance in the NBA.

  82. J-Lod says:

    Dagger says:

    MICHAEL JORDAN.<=======GET A LIFE!!

    ronnie field would’ve brought the VC type of game..he was a sick dunker..

  83. STANI says:

    dajuan wagner man he was sick !!!!

  84. nosmelone says:

    I still have to stick with Ed “booger” Smith for real! Ya’ll know the story and have seen the footage, he’s truly the best passer in the world. I would also say Kenny Brunner that cat can ball. I still think Junie should have been in the L at some point that cat can drop numbers on anyone.

  85. nosmelone says:

    I still think Charles Jones (injury free) should have been better in the L. I don’t know how good his defense was but man he was an offenisve machine and LIU.

  86. ferrel says:

    All the players that play And1 basketball and the kid you mentinoed

  87. Kermit The Washington says:

    Nice to see a couple cats mention Khalid El-Amin. I was gonna throw that in there too. Him, and Ricky Moore from the same UConn team. That dude was UNSTOPPABLE in that game against Duke. I’m bout to go find a torrent of that game right quick!

  88. mole says:

    damn nice to see all the old fresno state drops. Kenny Brunner with his samurai sword. I cant think of like 5 other fresno players during the Tark era.

    Youtube Fresno State between the madness

  89. Solomon says:

    @Austin Burton –

    When I saw this story, my mind went immediately to Childress shaking McInnis — best Dime reminiscence ever.

  90. silky says:

    alex dillard…. grocery baggin to droppin 12 threes for nolan and 40 min of hell-acious. used to love watchin him shoot. woulda filled that boobie gibson spot nicely somewhere

  91. Jimbo says:

    Andrew Gaze has to be up there for sure.
    Starred in Seton Hall’s 1989 season that ended with them losing the final in OT to Michigan but went undrafted. Tried out with a Seattle, played a handful of games with the Bullets and Spurs in the 90′s but never really made an impact. Internationally the guy held the Aussies together and is still the most prolific scorer in Olympic basketball history.

    He owned the NBL (Australian domestic league) for 20 years, don’t know how that is much of an achievement, though.

  92. Allen Zhang says:

    How about Alimoe a.k.a. the Black Widow?

  93. 24X4LA says:

    1. Len Bias (RIP) watched him play in the ACC his entire college career.

    2. Joey Johnson (ASU) Only high school (Banning High Wilmington, CA) to have the bottom of his feet on the cover of SI. The most incredible vertical leap in hiostry. witnessed him snatch quarters of the top of backboard while dunking. there is a place in Idaho where a nail is in the ceiling(he placed it there off a straight vertical) no one has touched it yet. do your homework. yes he is the younger brother of Dennis Johnson of the Boston Celitcs (RIP). late 80′s early 90′s

  94. dennis stone says:

    rays last name was spelled blume. played for chicago in 81-82

  95. CK JESSe says:

    Omar Cook from NY he was real in H.S @ Christ the King and in College @ St. Johns

  96. CCB says:

    Sweet Ray Lewis from LA was featured in a Bounce Magazine story. If you don’t have that issue you have to get it. It was one of the saddest hoop stories I’ve ever read.

  97. NC says:

    Jamel Thomas. He lead the Big East in scoring and didn’t get drafted. And Denham Brown, who dropped 111 points in a HS game.

  98. MoxWestCoastRep says:

    Prince Fowler- TCU
    Toby Bailey-UCLA
    Casey Jacobsen-Stanford
    Kirk Snyder-NV (lottery pick-went crazy)

  99. chebs says:

    mike jones who? mike jones who? maryland star SG #23

  100. Kdot says:

    Estaban weaver, invited to the Nike camp at 15. Theres no way he shouldn’t be in the league. would have been drafted out of high school. Kobe said he was the only player he though was on his level back in 96.

    Also co-sign Ronnie fields, seen him and KG play in HS was more impressed with fields. its unfortunate what happen to him.

  101. Harris11 says:

    Billy Edelin

  102. JohnnyKILLroy says:

    Stanley Roberts could’ve been a beast.He use to bust up Shaq at LSU.

  103. Big Snacks says:

    Y’all forgot Jay Williams from Duke…

  104. lifep says:

    Rodney Munroe, Chris Corchianni, Trajen Langdon, Jay Williams,

  105. iluvhoops says:

    no contest…Shea Cotten

  106. bigcov says:

    glenn robinson from purdue. there was aguy like him that made the league, wasnt the same guy tho hahahaahhahaha

  107. Derik says:

    KENNY GEORGE

  108. darko says:

    Lenny Cooke
    Shawn Respert
    Antwan “the Judge” Joubert
    Jimmy “snap” Hunter

  109. bigger_daddy says:

    lenny cooke and ronnie fields were imports in the philippine basketball league. i am not sure though if they were able to lead their teams to championships, altho ronnie fields was damn good.

  110. louie says:

    LEN BIAS!!!!!
    why?
    he was just killing the ACC.period
    The great Mike Krywzevski even said that he was the best player coming out of ACC behind MJ.
    Boston would’ve continued its dynasty well into the 90′s if only he didn’t get overdosed.

  111. RICK773 says:

    Ronnie Fields was a legend when I was growing up in the CHI. He was rumored to have like a 50 inch vert he was crazy. Him and KG at Farragut were just murderous.

    Randolph Childress
    God Shamgod
    Damn near any player out of UCLA in the mid to late 90′s(O’bannons Tyus Edney Toby Bailey)…etc

  112. Ekstor says:

    I remember reading about Joey Johnson back in the day… problem was that he was all hops and nothing else. Crazy 51″ vertical… I seem to recall he was in a contest where they kept raising the rim to see who could keep dunking and he was up close to 12 feet.

    Toby Bailey does not belong in this conversation. Both of the O’Bannon brothers were better than him. Toby was actually similar to Joey Johnson… all hops but sloppy game.

  113. e says:

    Lenny cooke,Junie sanders, pete mcpherson shouldve got a permanent spot in the L , kareem reid shouldve been in,and a;imoe aka black widow and some i cant even think of rite now

  114. e says:

    paul mcpherson

  115. ? says:

    homicide cory williams deserved his chance like 4 years ago the raptors did him dirty

  116. tweeter says:

    Lenny freaking Cooke

    Dude was a monster when he played here in the Philippines, throwing up 30-15 lines like he was drunk on balla juice. He suffered an ACL tear in one of his games, and never was heard from again.

  117. rick vianello says:

    1. gianmarco pozzecco – italy
    2. arjan komazec – croatia
    3. corny thompson – USA

  118. Tyler Whitcomb says:

    Dwayne Schintzius with his mullet. Just kidding! It seems as if Randolph Childress is the top choice.

  119. Timmy D says:

    Steve Logan

  120. mumadone says:

    ^
    Joey Johnson played in Sweden for years. I saw him a gang of times, crazy elevation on his jump shot. The story goes that he could put his baseball hat in the basket by jumping and tilting his head next to it.

  121. Bee says:

    im shocked that nobody mention

    Oscar Schmidt

    so far.

    clearly the best international player who never made it.

  122. Chicagorilla says:

    RONNIE FIELDS!!!RONNIE FIELDS!!!RONNIE FIELDS!!!RONNIE FIELDS!!!RONNIE FIELDS!!!RONNIE FIELDS!!!RONNIE FIELDS!!!RONNIE FIELDS!!!RONNIE FIELDS!!!RONNIE FIELDS!!!RONNIE FIELDS!!!RONNIE FIELDS!!!RONNIE FIELDS!!!RONNIE FIELDS!!!

    Dude was like Dwayne Wade before DWade. 50inch vert. Sick on Defense. Listed at about 6’4, but closer to 6’2. Shaky jumper but had a nice handle and of course….50 inch. I saw dude several times in person and at the playground (with KG as a matter of fact) and dude was sick.

    God Shamgod was also nice.

  123. KnicksFan84 says:

    DuJuan Wagner folks.

  124. tbw54321 says:

    can i get…omar cook

  125. Chicagorilla says:

    Toby Bailey, Ed Cota, Tyus Edny, Jelani McCoy, Alimoe (AND 1 stand up), Baby Shaq (And1 version)

  126. Chicagorilla says:

    Melvin Levett! The Helicopter baby

  127. Chicagorilla says:

    Melvin Levett! The Helicopter baby

  128. MSkittle says:

    1. Horace Jenkins- in playing Division 3 (William Paterson), won the D 1 NCAA Dunk Contest. 35 ppg in the Jersey Shore Basketball League. His classic 42 point game against Jay Williams, who was then big-time at Duke.

    2. Andrew Wisniewski- the best player to ever come out of Staten Island. 6’2 white point guard

    3. Randolph Childress- do you remember him in the ACC tournament?

    4. Dajuan Wagner- NJ high school legend.

    5. Lloyd Daniels- sorry to get “old school”, but he was Magic Johnson with a jump shot

    6. Charles Jones- amazing at LIU and Rutgers

    7. Jay Williams- who knows what could have been if not for the accident?

    8. Shaheen Holloway- also an NJ high school legend

    9. Shawn Respert

    10. Len Bias- we will never know what could have been

    11. Jamel Thomas

    12. Brandin Knight

    13. Toby Bailey

    14. Alex Blackwell- old school Monmouth College legend

  129. Soul Brova1 says:

    Charles Jones – LIU – almost singlehandedly beat Villanova in a first round tournament game – most entertaining performance i’ve seen in a tournament game

    Conrad “McNasty” McRae (R.I.P) – Brooklyn Tech (’89), Syracuse – way better than Mikki Moore who’s still in the league (and no knock against Moore who does his thing)

    Ed Cota – you know and if you don’t you wouldn’t understand

  130. Sheedfan87 says:

    Ricky Moore of UCONN. Locked up AI at the Garden.

  131. BNZA says:

    Ademola Okulaja aka The Warrior

  132. 215 North Philly says:

    Aaron “AO” Owens.

    The kid damn near crossed everybody in Philly, everyone in college, everyone on the AND 1 Mixtape Tour, and did his thing in the NBDL.

  133. c-rock79 says:

    Doug Wrenn without a doubt!

  134. JohnnyKILLroy says:

    Randy Livingston was sick prior to fucking up his knees

  135. KT says:

    John Gilchrist-Former Maryland point guard. Dude was supposed to be first round talent, but let his attitude get in the way and now he somewhere in Israel playing

  136. EK Money says:

    Best baller to not make the NBA was Zak Efron. he dominated states like 2 straight years, yo. And he sang in the middle of games. can’t beat dat with a bat.

    On the serious:
    Brad “Big Continent” Millard (st mary’s)
    Richard Keene & Kiwane Garris (Illinois)
    Terry Dehare (Seton hall)
    Tom Klineschmidt (Depaul)
    Mickey Berkowitz (Israel)
    Chris Lofton (Tenn)
    Jerrod Ward (Michigan, one time #1 overall recruit)

    and the best:

    Harold “The Show” Arceneaux (Weber State)

  137. LikeButta!!! says:

    Aight I’m going to take it back… Marcus Liberty, Fennis Dembo, and Shakin Bakin Mark Macon from Temple.

  138. Spreadhead100 says:

    Steve Logan (Cincinnati) was amazing in college. Too bad he got some bad advice.

  139. sure says:

    DARYLL”SHOWTIME”HILL/JAMEL THOMAS/JEROME HOLMAN/DRE BARRETT/STEVE BURTT/MO HATTEN/BOOTSY THORTON/VICTOR PAIGE/LENNY COOKE/SHAMGOD WELLS/TYSON WHEELER

  140. the truth will set you free says:

    Best Player to never make it in the NBA, that “Melvin” kid i saw back in chicago. dude was still in grade school. dunked on Kevin Garnett on a playground game back when KG was a junior in farragut academy. man, that was a nasty dunk he threw down.

    oh… by the way, that kid’s asian. :)

  141. amoll says:

    From Allentown PA, in 2005, a 6’6 guard named Terrance Roderick was awsome from Allen HS, averaged over 25 a game. He was ranked higher in the state than newly drafted Wayne Ellington and Gerald Henderson. Because of grades he played 1 year at Sam Rines prep in Philly, then 1 season at UAB, now rumored to have transfered to Seton Hall for 09′-10.

  142. big bone says:

    if there was an 3 pointline in high school when antione the judge joubert played,he would have been the first player to score 120 in a game. he was the jump shot immortal.period

  143. Tig obamo says:

    Moe benefield this kid handle was unbelievable he once gave me a reverse in n out and he was long to and his jumper was on point but he never really cared about cool so he stayed in 8th grade for a while and has finaallt dropped out of school

  144. doc says:

    Dawan Robinson,Lynn Greer,Sean Singletary,Sad Eye,Terrell Stokes,Maureece Rice,Omar Thomas,Darryl Jones,Eddie Griffin,Hank Gathers,Bo Kimble,Lionel Simmons,Dawn Staley,Mark Macon,Jerome Allen.Philly Stand Up!

  145. Peter says:

    Arvydas Sabonis. OK, he played in the league for seven years but he didn’t even come to the NBA until he was 31. He still pulled 3,400 rebounds and almost a thousand assists. He had Shaq’s size, Walton’s skills, and he OWNED The Admiral in the ’88 Olympics… would have loved to have seen him in the league ten years sooner. Rimas Kurtainitis deserves mention, too – awesome floor general.

  146. lebacire says:

    lenny cook….damn that dude was a monster back then ask Lebron…

  147. Bron42 aka Had Springs Before Slamball says:

    @lebacire, lenny was nice but couldnt read a paint by number….

    hmmm…..chris porter from auburn…..pretty much any st.johns guard the lat couple years (barkley,cook,hatten)…Wagner, J williams, My boy key clark from st peters, etc…the list goes on.

  148. Cam says:

    Len Bias…
    Wouldve been the next big thing for sure

    Also I’d say Lenny Cooke

  149. wanabballer says:

    Kenny Satterfield

  150. jc says:

    Felipe Lopez was a monster in high school and college

  151. Promoman says:

    Brett Nelson

  152. doc says:

    @bron-I remember dude Porter coming down the lane shitting on cats craniums.

  153. Promoman says:

    Chris Porter got booted from the team for taking illegal money. He did it because his mother was going to get evicted from her home. He entered the draft and Golden State picked him up. He basically rode the bench and eventually got cut. Last I heard, he was in & out of the NBDL and overseas ball.

  154. Promoman says:

    Felipe Lopez made it to the league and was only an average role player.

  155. AVeezie says:

    Mike Wallace..Southwest Missouri State late 90′s early 2000′s. Dude killed Kansas.

  156. Keith says:

    GERRY MCNAMARA From Syracuse

  157. tbw54321 says:

    damn a kenny satterfield reference and brett nelson what happened to him he should have left florida after his sophmore year, he was always overrated anyways

  158. big_c says:

    My dad and Magic Johnson both say Curtis Jones, PG out of Detroit in 60′s, 70′s.

  159. runngun22 says:

    Earl Manigault is the one that comes to mind immediately, along with other playground legends from that era.

    Ronnie Fields is another obvious mention in my opinion, and I love Keith’s mention of the hometown guy for me, Gerry.

    The two big recent ones that are point guards have to be Bobby Hurley and Jay Williams. If not for the accidents, these guys would have had great careers without a doubt.

  160. Dan the Man says:

    Without a doubt…Raymond Lewis. Tark the Shark from UNLV said he was the best player he ever saw !!

    Peep him at: http://www.raymondlewis.com

    and

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyQf_HUpKYw

  161. Promoman says:

    Kenny Satterfield got in the league but was out in 3 years. He was one of those guys who loved to shoot but couldn’t at the pro level. He’s in the overseas leagues & NYC playground circuit now.

  162. Promoman says:

    Paul McPherson. His attitude sabotaged him. Same deal with Corey Hightower.

  163. Promoman says:

    Paul McPherson. His attitude sabotaged him. Same deal with Corey Hightower.

  164. Q says:

    Awe that’s easy.. Its Ronnie Fields without a doubt…

  165. Bron42 aka Had Springs before Slamball says:

    McPherson still tears it up overseas….talk about freak athletes..

    @Promoman, Ya I know all that but dude was still nice in college. Its a shame, I remember tryin to get buckets with him back on nba 2k5 or some shit on dreamcast and the warriors just made him ass…. Also what was that pg of Notre Dame? Chris Thomas or whatever…

  166. JAMEL01 says:

    NOLAN JOHNSON :BOYS & GIRLS HS 96/OKLAHOMA SOONERS 99-01
    TREVOR DIGGS:BISHOP FORD HS 96/UNLV

  167. Sambuu says:

    Jay Williams, Shammgod and Wagner…

  168. Jovarus says:

    Julius Jenkins!!

  169. NatiFinest says:

    Most people arent familiar with Estaban Weaver but dude was filthy. Its a shame he just couldnt cut it on the school side and could never get eligible. Ended up playing a couple years at Central State, a D-2 school in Ohio. I played against him on year and he had no reason being on that level, none at all.

  170. jdote says:

    Scoonie Penn. Dude was better than Michael Redd in college… What about my man Eric Barkley too.

  171. Kurnie says:

    Ronnie Fields……………ask Kevin Garnett

  172. Blasto says:

    Scott Fraley

    All time single game assist leader at U o’M, VIOLENT crossover, another schoolyard baller too short for the NBA.

  173. William Ming says:

    The best player I ever seen not to make it to the NBA was Joe Sills Vashon High School St Louis, Mo in the mid 60′s this is the same guy who used to light JoJo White up while he was attending Mckinley High. JoJO White was good and a HOF but Joe Sills was something to see offense and defense. what a baller.

  174. J.Tobias says:

    Charles Jones, lead the country in scoring had the prototype NBA body had a small stint with the Bulls.

  175. Dr.gOOgles says:

    Felipe lopez was hoopin

  176. Mike says:

    Can’t believe I didn’t see one person mention Anderson Hunt of UNLV. Only a hot tub could keep him out of the League.

  177. MJAX says:

    I came with Hunt at #19…. That dude use to get buckets!!!! He may have been Ben Gordon-ish before Ben….

  178. Mike says:

    My bad, MJAX. Good comparison.

  179. Nevacare says:

    Harold “The Show” Arceneaux. He just dissappeared

  180. Nevacare says:

    Yo ,I forgot about Randolph Childress. He was Mr. Clutch at Wake Forest,with Timmy D on the same team. Do You guys remember Marvin O’Connor from St.Joes?maybe St.Joseph, I saw the kid in the tourney one year I was blown away by him. I thought that this dude was next.about 6’4 good handle,strong & explosive,dude was fearless.

  181. Rob D says:

    What about Victor Page? Can’t forget about him

  182. P says:

    Tony “hurricane” Harris RIP

  183. sure says:

    Erik”E Star”Ferguson/Shandue Mcneil/Raheem”Manchild”Johnson

  184. LaeMaN says:

    Some yrs ago I’d say DaJuan Wagner, but when I saw his game in Prokom Trefl Sopot… never gonna be as good as was thought to be

  185. Mike says:

    Anyone remember Kevin Gaines . . . Jamal Crawford’s backcourt mate at Michigan? Dude could play . . . but it seemed like he did everything he possibly could to get booted from school.

  186. Keem says:

    Before there was LeBron James, there was Lenny Cooke. If you don’t know, ask someone who’s basketball opinion you trust. Lenny Cooke…look the name up

  187. Vinny says:

    childress-still the best acc tournament performance ever!
    Stevie Thompson-ok he wasnt the best shooter but he could play.
    Fly Willaims-new york city playground legend!
    danny rucker-camden high-best shooter i ever saw!

  188. jordan says:

    LENNY COOKE

  189. person1 says:

    RICHARD DUMAS — ’93 FINALS WITH PHOENIX
    LAWRENCE MOTEN — TOP SCORER ALL TIME SYRACUSE WHEN HE LEFT
    ANDREW GAZE — AUSSIE LARRY BIRD

  190. blue hawk says:

    LEN BIAS, he could have been better than Jordan. Really, he was that good. I wish we could have seen this one happen.

    ARVYDAS SABONIS in his prime (mid 20′s to early 30′s) could have been the best center the NBA had ever seen. A very nice combination of monstrous size, strength, agility and basketball smarts with a shooting touch. 7’2″, 300 lbs, could make power plays, could make finesse plays, can run the floor, can shoot the ball with range, monstrous defender in the paint, a shot swatter at 7’2″, and a deft passer, not to mention charismatic. just a great all-around ball playing giant.

  191. Shach says:

    Since the Goat was already said…I’d have to Start with Kareem Reid!…St. Raymonds High School then Arkansas then overseas somewhere….his Handle was the Sickest…he could throw you an oop from anywhere and he was the definition of a scoring point guard…he was undersized for the league…but he made his presence felt in Rucker by breaking all kinds of records including back to BAck to BACK championships…which I believe he also won MVP (don’t quote me on that)…

    Don’t forget about Brian Reese…some of you might know the B. Reese from North Carolina….but that’s not who I’m Talking About!…I’m Talking about B Reese aka the Human Trampoline in High School (Tolentine)…He would jump Out the Building, score, play D, do everything…I don’t know what happened in college…I think it was that dunk he missed in the Big Dance that Year!

    Also, Honorable mention to Jerry McCullough from Rice High SChool…I forget what college he attended…but he is legend in NY and the Pic of him Dunking on Adrien Autry was the fist thing you saw when you walked into Gauchos Gym…I saw him bang it on ‘Red’ in Real Life and it was even WORSE than the Pic! Rice vs. Tolentine games were Classic!

  192. jonbongo says:

    lawrence moten…i believe he is the all-time big east scoring leader

  193. Mike says:

    Oh . . . a Jerry McCullough reference . . . a Pitt legend. I heard that the idiot who coached at Pitt at the time (Ralph Willard) sabotaged Jerry’s NBA chances because he hated Jerry so much. Just what I heard. Have no idea if it’s true.

  194. sure says:

    Gordy Malone/Keydren Clark/Taliek Brown

  195. doc says:

    @mike-They always got some bullshit story like that for a New York player.What the hell the coach took David Stern kids hostage or something.He just wasnt ready.

  196. sure says:

    @doc

    Therefore if your in the league. It has nothing to due with your father,friends, coaches, school or AAU you go to. Aside from luck,timing, and the rest of the bull that keeps sure fire talent from blessing the big screen. More people that play and still love and respect the game get shown no love. A N.B.A. jersey doesn’t make you a pro. I’m sure Ice could have made it to the league. If David Stern has a say so about who makes it and doesn’t. Promblem #1. He’s a commisioner who seemed to never play the game on a high level. What are the requirements to be the next commisioner. I know some scouts who never played the game.

  197. doc says:

    @sure-u aint gotta tell me I play overseas every year and played for Rhode Island but there is no conspiracies.If they think u good enough u getting a run.

  198. Blacksmurf says:

    I can say far as the league goes, there are alot of politics that comes into play to decided if a player is league worthy.

    Here is a true story. I will not say the name, but it is a player that a few people mentioned on the list of best players that never played in the NBA.

    One practice…..This particular player was guarding the teams 1st round pick. He was d-ing him up very well.
    The coach called, lets say player X, and told him to ease off of the 1 round pick. Let him do his thing….Well player X, didn’t know how to play soft defense.
    Well two days latter he was cut.

    This happened with the Detroit Pistons.
    There are a number of reasons why some players will never get to the NBA regardless how good they are.

    1. Attitudes———Can’t control their emotions.
    2. Selfish players
    3. Uncoachable
    4. No passion for Basketball
    5. Alchol, Weed, and women. Well lets say they are very distracted.

    So when you see a player who has more talent than players in the NBA not make it, take your pick from my 5 reasons why talented players never make it to the NBA.

  199. sure says:

    Politics overide everything written above. It’s some players in the league who are all the above. It all who you know. If you have a powerful agent. AAU team or go to a politically correct High School,College. Your chances increase immensley. The agents who some were merely peasants on the court hold to much power. Same as the Rich GM’s who look at the sport as a circus. They could care less how the product looks. As long as them checks keep coming. I’ve said it before. They exploit exploit. They really don’t want us to succeed. It is a predominatly black league ran by white execs. Wouldn’t it be funny if it were the other way around. There’s a reason due to environment and society duh. The best players should make it period. The league before had a lot of knuckleheads who were a pain. Though at the end of the day the loved and respected the game more than any sorry wanna be baller. Who’s whole career has been staged because of the system he’s in. I could name you 50 players who dont belong in the league and probably should be working 9 to 5′s. You can’t run from the demons you have in your life. Remember kids are innocent an are molded due to there upbringing. If we see better. We’ll do better. It’s a very hard thing to explain if you haven’t experienced. How do you expect us to succeed when were destined to fail. We still do a pretty good job against the odds. Talk about the success and not the failures. There are lot of good kids that come from NY. They haven’t been given the chance. Sebastian Telfair I repeat isn’t and not close to being the best of what NY has to offer. We’ve been unfairly labeled from our knuckleheads and not praised enough for our winners. Quinton Hosley and Yatta Gaines belong on N.B.A. rosters and would do wonders as to addressing the state of NY basketball. I’m praying for Kemba Walker,Edgar Sosa and Corey Fisher as well. They have the talent and are good kids who are nothing like Stephon of now. It’s funny how we adopt the nonsense going on with the Knicks. MSG and the Knickerbockers couldn’t be farther than what NY is. That’s bull. I’m also pushing for Malcolm Grant and Durand Scott to tear apart the competition in the ACC. Could you imagine Lance,Malcolm,Durand,Burrel,Ebanks,Samardo Samuels on the same team. Welcome back FAB 6. All going top 10 because they would go undefeated and win a chip. What would you say about NY then.

  200. LG says:

    Victor Page, He was the 2nd option at Georgetown when Iverson was there and took over after AI left early. He could score at will and led the Big East in scoring (Like a Michael Finley). He got in too much trouble off the court to make it to the league unfortunately read the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Page

  201. Donald says:

    I see all the Names Everybody is putting up. But its a reason why They have Moe Hattens picture up! None of those individuals named above can do anything with Marcus Hatten!!!! I will take yo anywhere in the world put him up against anybody ecspecially a guard!!! And I will bet money Moe Hatten would run through anybody you get. NOT BEING A GROUPIE! THATS JUST REAL.

  202. fan says:

    Donald

    Let me guess you’re from Bmore. I love Mo Hatten’s game but if you ever see him ask him about Daryll Showtime Hill. I know what Show told me about MO. He said he’s one of the best he seen along with Jonathan Haggert that went WVU. I’m sure you’d get a thumbs up. If Mo went to a bigger better program he would’ve stuck in the league. He’s was typecasted as another A.I. and it didn’t help he look like 2pac w/ a roc. I’m wishing him a great career abroad and hope one day he could run up in the NYC league. We’ll return the favor of bringing out 1 of our dogs.

  203. moedog says:

    i would have to say the following. mike campbell, ed “booger”smith, junie sanders. charles jones made it to the league. but bounced around i feel he should have stayed in the league. regardless if he had to go to veteran’s camp. orlando and the wizards were interested in him. but he chose to go oversea’s smh. i feel he would of been one of those players. who would bounce around from team to team. until he found a home. he would of had a season. where he would have come of age. dude was that nice. still one of my fav’s.

  204. moedog says:

    wow i also agree with blacksmurf. you are absolutely correct.

  205. Ryan says:

    Lenny Cooke, Dajuan Wagner, Omar Cook, Erick Barkley, DeAngelo Collins, Marcus Hatten, Jamel Thomas, God Shammgod, Gerry McNamara, Brandin Knight, Daryl “Showtime” Hill..sadly I think eventually we’re gonna have to add Sebastian Telfair to the top of this discussion, and I say sadly because he’s still my favorite ballplayer..

  206. b-ball fan says:

    1. Raymond Lewis
    2. Earl Manigault
    3. Demetrius Mitchell
    4. Joe Hammond
    5. Len Bias
    6. Richard Kirkland
    7. Ronnie Fields
    8. James Williams
    9. Jack Ryan

  207. gil thomas says:

    from cincinnati aiken high bobby austin was a 6-2 air jordan with a reggie miller jump shot. just as quick as kj. but was much stronger. cincinnati 8th all time scorer. was compared to david thompson and darrell griffith coming out of high school. had a 48 inch vertical leap. and a 30 foot jump shot range. also dwight the blur anderson was a 6-2 allen iverson played at kentucky. from dayton roth ohio , both players came out h.s in 1978

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