Smack / Jul 30, 2009 / 2:08 am

Hawks, Hornets trying to move on up; plus Steve Nash’s shot at L.A.

Chris Paul (photo. Zach Wolfe)

Chris Paul (photo. Zach Wolfe)

While Miami waits for Lamar Odom to decide if he’d rather look at sun-dipped Rodeo Drive honeys or sun-dipped South Beach honeys during timeouts for the next 4-5 years, another possible Plan B in case they don’t get Odom became unavailable. The Hawks re-signed Marvin Williams for $40 million over five years — kind of steep for a guy who wasn’t gonna get $8M a year from anyone else, but not the worst move in the world considering Marvin is a big contributor for a still-developing core unit in Atlanta. Unless something drastic happens, Marvin will always be labeled a Draft bust simply because of how much better Deron Williams and Chris Paul have been. Realistically, how much of that gap do you think he can make up? … Speaking of CP3, if he was able to spoon-feed Tyson Chandler 8-10 points a night, will he be able to make Ike Diogu look like a Lottery pick? Diogu signed with the Hornets yesterday, giving them some needed depth at the four behind David West. But is he the talent they need as a backup four? … So much for the Marco Belinelli experiment, at least in Golden State. He’s been traded to the Raptors for Devean George, which sounds like a case of either Belinelli being seriously undervalued, or his defense is just THAT awful. Belinelli can push Antoine Wright for minutes as DeMar DeRozan‘s backup; George is one of the premier “How does he keep getting work?” guys in the League … Meanwhile, the Grizzlies are close to bringing in Marcus Williams on a one-year deal where he can backup Mike Conley Jr. and make Marko Jaric trade bait once again … That leaves a few teams still looking for backup PG’s, one of them being the Knicks. (They’d like a starter, too.) Jamaal Tinsley is out there and we read somewhere that he’d gladly accept an offer from New York. Um, yeah — so would Hollis Price, Shawnta Rogers, Levance Fields, Erick Barkley, Jared Jordan and a bunch of other dudes … In an interview with the Arizona Republic, Steve Nash talked about why he signed his extension with the Suns, but took a second to take a jab at the Lakers. “No one gave us Pau Gasol for nothing,” Nash said. Guess that was more of a dig at Chris Wallace … We’ve had the debate over whether or not New York City is (still) the “basketball mecca.” A lot of readers often accuse us of pumping up NY because that’s where we’re based, but here’s a serious question for the group: If NYC isn’t the mecca of this game, what is? … The Springfield (Mass.) Armor will be the newest D-League expansion team next season, and just named Dee Brown their head coach. Brown coached in the WNBA a few years back, and most recently worked for the Magic in their front office. The Armor will be the D-League affiliate for the Nets, Sixers and Knicks, so for the sake of those fans, let’s hope Dee never has to coach Jordan Hill, Terrence Williams or Jrue Holiday. But we could see Danilo Gallinari and Chris Douglas-Roberts clocking more than a couple games under Dee’s direction … In Dime #50 (on newsstands now), our “Baller’s Blueprint” has Tyreke Evans breaking down how he plans to get buckets in the NBA. We ran that article on DimeMag.com yesterday, which led to this comment from reader Spliff 2 My Lou: “Have you ever seen the ‘euro crab dribble’? Unfortunately I have. I spent a night in a brothel in Amsterdam. That’s what I left with.” Gross … We’re out like Devean George …

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  • yw

    1st. the knicks should sign AI

  • draenonymous?

    Two-Five!!!!!

  • Dmann

    Raptors make one good move after the other, this team is playoff poised, but not a contender.

  • brett

    pretty sure the warriors traded belinelli cuz they hate their fans

  • “Big Hook” Nunez

    Another classic move by Don Nelson, hope the Warriors at least save some money with the trade. There was no way the Lakers were going to get Marvin Williams since he was a restricted FA and the Lakers only have the vet minimum to spend. Me and the fat wifey have already ordered our matching his and hers, Sheldon Williams and Candance Parker jerseys.

  • http://www.nba.com smoove chips

    ‘no one gave us pau gasol for nothing’ lol

    true,i can’t even try to be modest on that one.
    the grizz were in full santa mode at that point.they’d made a steal if they finished the proposed trade with the bulls.

    gotta say sometimes life is nice.i’m still waiting on karma to fluck us up.it was that good(sic).

  • http://www.LakersNation.com Lakers Nation

    Gotta represent LA for the Mecca

    We basically have the best franchise in the NBA with the Lakers

    The greatest college basketball program in the history of NCAA Basketball

    NYC might have all the street ballers, but besides Dr. J, who’s actually made it out of the blacktop and onto the hardwood where it really counts?

  • Jordi

    Good question, what is the basketball Mecca? Chi-town? I don’t know. I think NY lost some of it’s shine, especially in the last few years. Yet it’s still NY, still the first city you think about when you think about ball…

  • “Big Hook” Nunez

    smoove chip: the Lakers karma will be LO leaving and the Kobe/Pau era only gets 1 ring.

  • K Dizzle

    NYC definitely lost some mecca shine, but they still gotta be in the convo along with the Chi, Philly and LA

    Raps keep makin sneak moves. Last I heard about Bellinelli, he had skills but Nelson wasn’t gonna let him off the pine. Raps got him for nuthin cuz George was done when he left LA. Colangelo tryin to make Bargnani real comfortable….East is nice next year: Celts, Magic, Cavs, Raps, Hawks all improved big…Still ain’t touchin the west, but the moves are nice

  • BRUCE

    The better question is, “How does Mr. Adrianna Lima get work?”

  • InFamous1

    Eh karma schmarma.. I don’t see the grizzlies going anywhere by being so generous with their players.

  • rotceh

    everyone knows that the Gasol trade was a total cheat… Mr. Jerry (faker) West, giving him out for garbage… and that lead to a championship… cheating…. funny… two of the lakers players are from Queens NY. Hopefully Artest raps his way into a lakers first round bust.

  • danny

    seriously, you guys needa stop sayin he was givin away for nothin. Pau for his brother, cap space. MORE than enuf. Steve nash needsta stop actin like a whiney lil kid, he has freakin amare stoudemire! Who is a better player than gasol anyways. if he can’t take them to the finals, i wonder why he got those mvps.-

  • rick773

    I’m from Chi so of course thats where I’m gonna say the mecca is there. Philly and LA produces players to as well seattle making a charge as of late. With that said As much as NY gets hyped up for PG’s how many actually make a impact.(Not taking shots I’m just saying)

  • That’s whats up

    is there actually a grizzlies fan in existence?? (post 14)

    I really can’t wait until the season starts – everything about the League is great, except watching CP3 cheat his way through games.

    Other than that, the NBA is where amazing happens

    F-CP3

  • Prof. TX

    NBA history is about the Lakers and Celtics, not the Knicks. Boston and Los Angeles have a much bigger place in the championship legacy than New York. New York has David Stern and the media, the Knicks haven’t been relevant in a long time. Even if you ignore titles and look at players, I have to think an all-time Lakers or Celtics team would crush the best NY could put together.

  • http://www.nba.com smoove chips

    @ big hook
    seriously,shhhhh,stop tapping that bytch on the shoulders.

    @infamous 1
    you got cap space and some a decent core of young players to build off of.
    as a fan explain to me what in God’s name mark cubans tryna do.over the tax,trading for relative no names,aging squad.

    lakers 3 peat in the works.buss,give that flucka his candy dammit.

  • Arno

    How is it that Don Nelson still has a job ???

  • http://www.f-the-refs.net Chicagorilla

    NY (the state not just the city) has been the Mecca of basketball since the L started. But times have changed and NY doesn’t produce players of superstar caliber anymore. The only winning team in NY is the Liberty. The best high school/NBA/College/WNBA players do not come from NY. They do produce quality players, but so does Washington (the state).

    I would say there is no Mecca right now. It’s so spread out it’s hard to call any one city the Mecca.

  • http://www.f-the-refs.net Chicagorilla

    Diego Luna

  • Jsmoove

    @14

    Amare is better than Gasol? I don’t know man, what has Amare done other than dunk alot? Gasol is a very good and well rounded post player.

  • QQ

    All ima say is that LA is a classless city. From Magic “lemmie bang 10 hos while being married” johnson, to kobe “i’ma rape these bitches cause i’m kobe” bryant, to jerry “i’ma lie, steal, and cheat my way to Pau Gasol and the title/I’m proof that the NBA can be rigged” buss, to jerry “this grizzly shit is just a cover, i actually get a majority of my money from the LA Fakers” West, LA has shown more than it’s fair share of classlessness. To be considered the mecca seems absolutely ridiculous.

    Classless LA faggots actually believe their team did something great. Dumb fucks, y’all cheated your way to a title. Y’all got criminals and thugs on your roster. Your dancers moonlight as crack-dippin whores. Your whole city is pathetic.

    MARK MY WORDS, THE MAGIC WILL WIN IN 2010! DIME, POST THAT. I WILL PUT MONEY ON THAT. WHATEVER IS NECESSARY TO PROVE THAT I WILL STAND BY MY PREDICTION, JUST LEMMIE KNOW.

    In terms of basketball MECCA, i agree, it is currently spread out right now. And anyways, how do we classify a MECCA? Is it the talent of streetballers? The number of NBA players produced? The whole encapsulated, all encompassing, aggregated sum of all things basketball that is produced from a city the key? The aura? What’s the criteria? I can say this much, Chicago and Seattle have been putting some real talent into the NBA (Chicago – Dwade, Drose) (Seattle – Broy, NateRob, etc). So it’s tough for me to say.

    But to all the LA FAKER fans – soak it up this year, cause yall faggots gonna be cryin soon.

  • Leonard Wilson

    Steve Nash is a coward. Stop worrying about what the Lakers did. They made a great trade for Gasol. Worry about what the Suns are not doing. Idiot. Why would you stay? Being loyal does not equate to being smart. Bad move for one of the greatest point guards in the history of the league who always to be a huge defensive liability. Go Lakers.

  • Michorizo

    Tyreke Evans is going to be sick

  • QQ

    Also, in regards to a suggestion made a while back.

    TO DK:

    YOU’RE A BITCH! STR8 UP! YOU THINK YOU’RE TOUGH HIDING BEHIND AN INTERNET CHAT, BUT YOU AIN’T SHIT. I CHALLANGE YOU TO BACK UP YOUR MOUTH. BOY, I SWEAR, I WILL STAIN ALL OVER YOU. I WILL CRAM ON YOUR FAGGOT HEAD!

    HERES THE PROPOSITION:

    WE MEET SOMEWHERE ON YOUR HOME TURF (STUART, FL). ANY OUTDOOR COURT. WE GET DIME OR SOMEONE ELSE TO TAPE IT. A BEST OF 3, 1 ON 1 GAMES TO 15… ALL 1′S. AFTER I SMASHH YOU IN THAT, WE CAN BOX IT OUT LIKE REAL MEN. DAT RIGHT, BARE KNUCKLE FIGHTING. WE’LL HAVE SOME RULES, CAUSE KNOWING YOU, YOU’D GO FOR NUT SHOTS AND EYE GAUGING. SO NONE OF THAT, ALSO NO BITING, SCRATCHING, OR CRYING (YOU LITTLE BITCH). WHOEVER IS BEATEN UNCONCIOUS OR TAPS OUT FIRST LOSES. DIME CAN TAPE IT, THEN POST IT ON THEIR WEBSITE, SO WE CAN SETTLE THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL.

    LEMMIE KNOW IF YOU MAN ENOUGH TO DIG DAT!

  • shake&bake

    @23 – you don’t sound like an upset Magic fan at all.

  • Collaboro

    Love the Belinelli deal again for the Raps. Colangelo is the premier bargain bin finder.

  • rell

    No one gave Phoenix Pau Gasol for nothing but Phoenix gave away many 1st round picks to other teams for nothing. Nash must forgot that Phoenix gave away Rondo and Loul Deng away from nothing when they could have built a powerhouse in the West. Phoenix always was looking for a backup pg and gave one away with Rondo.

    If they had not traded Deng, their lineup for the 04-05 season would have been:

    Starter: Nash\Joe Johnson\Q. Richardson\Matrix\Stoudamire
    Bench: Barbosa\Jim Jackson\Deng

    Memphis did give away Gasol for nothing but the Suns is the last team that should complain.

  • QQ

    @shake&bake: YOU DON’T WANT THIS BUDDY. STEP OFF! YOU WILL REGRET IT. NOW RESUME YA HOMOBOI ACTIVITIES BEFORE I SLAP YA BOYFRIEND’S SEMEN OUT YA MOUF!

    QQ DA BOSS IS BACK!

  • Sanssasin

    Why is everyone jumping on Steve Nash? He ain’t the first to say it and he ain’t the last to say it. The Lakers got 2 gimmes that happen to be starters, Gasol and Fisher.

    Ain’t no skipping around it.

    As far as basketball mecca… I tend to agree with post 20. NY might be known for their outdoor courts but y’all can thank Isiah and Starbury for messing that up for you. There is no ONE Mecca. As much as I hate to admit it, if we are going to claim ONE Mecca then LA is closer to being it then NY is. But hell talent is coming from everywhere now that the game is more global.

    And Marvin Williams for $8 mill per! Wow! Think Atlanta will be screaming to get rid of him come year #4? That’s a lot to pay someone who basically just camped behind the 3 line this last year.

  • Diego

    Marvin’s ceiling is about 18/19 points and 8/9 rebounds a game, which ain’t bad, but he’ll never approach C. Paul and Deron, who quickly became all-star level players.

    Bash the Hawks all you want, but they really haven’t made a real bad deal $-wise in at least the last 10 years or so (other than Speedy Claxton). (Probably because the owners generally are cheap as hell.)

  • sh!tfaced

    Steve Nash is just talking shit. He’s past his prime and, unless he gets traded, blew his best chance to win a chip. Or Steve Kerr blew it for him. So he just bought him off with a new contract and gave Nash one of his 5 rings.

    Devean George is like Michael Myers, Jason Voorhees or Freddie Kruger, they just won’t fuck up and die.

    The Battle Of The Douchebags! DIME, please make it happen. LMAO

  • Drink the Haterade

    I have to agree that So Cal has to be the mecca for ball, I mean they have produced some pretty sick talent lately. Jeremy Thompson and Brandon Jennings. Mater Dei is always ranked in the top ten.

    I also think Texas as a whole needs some recognition.

  • Drink the Haterade

    Damn! QQ: now might be a good time to take your meds!

  • control

    QQ has a great idea…there should be some DIME 1on1 tournaments, let the fuckers talking shit back their shit up!

    Basketball or MMA style shit, who cares, I’m game!

  • LakeShow84

    That aint QQ..

    Sounds like DK being a DK again lol..

    And this aint a shot from Nash DIME.. Everyone knows we got Gasol for a happy meal.. I doubt he would be taking shots seeing that we take his apart everytime we meet now.. And those playoff losses?? oh well at least we actually WON THE CHIP.. not played horseshoes for 3-4 years..

  • control

    Well, real QQ or not, lets get some DIME tournaments going. I want to play Alfonzo (aka YOUNGFED) first!

  • QQ

    Haterade and Lakeshow: Fight me! If not, shut up! Dk, you a ho too! I read a lotta tough talk on the boards, but no one got big enough balls to back it up on the court or in the octagon. C’mon DK, come get crammed/stained on.

  • jzsmoove

    No mecca right now.

    LA is #1 candidate for mecca. They produce good ballers and as for the city they embrace the Lakers for their winning history and recent glory.

    #2 – Boston. Rich history and recent winnings,fans are delirious and supportive. Quality players produced locally not enough to merit #1.

    #3-4, arguably between NY and Chicago, produces quality ballers, fans embrace their big team. Not enough winning recently.

    $5, Seattle. Fans and production of ballers are exceptional. No big team right now which drop them off this low.

    - – - – - – -

    Dime, make it happen, QQ vs. DK. Forget the rough stuff, bball is good enough and speaks the loudest, 1 on 1. Youtube that ish and it would be the most hit post you’ll ever have…

  • LakeShow84

    50 says the fake QQ is a fat overweight burger flipper..

  • LakeShow84

    DK seems like the Tropic Thunder Tom Cruise type..

  • QQ

    gimmie ur email and i’ll send you a pic of my abs lakeshow.

  • sh!tfaced

    “the Tropic Thunder Tom Cruise type..” LMAO. Good one.

  • that’s whats up

    is there really internet access in Stuart, Florida ?

  • QQ

    y’all seem like the Tropic Thunder Ben Stiller type… Simple Jack mothafukers…

  • LakeShow84

    Yeah QQ, im sure you sending me a pic of ur abs will make both of us feel more manly..

    LMAO @ Thats Whats Up..

  • QQ

    Here’s a question, who would win in a Royal Rumble to the death between:

    Dwight
    Lebron
    Brandon Bass
    Artest
    Kenyon
    Dwade
    Boozer

    I think I’d go Lebron vs Dwight as last men standing…and lebron pulls out the victory with a Ken-like dragonpunch.

    Anyone else?

  • QQ

    you know lakeshow, you need to watch your tone… cause QQ be da boss! why you think i got a lower back tattoo of a dragon? Dat rite, QQ is a ferocious monster!

    send me your email and i’ll send you pics of my abs and a pic of my double biceps pose!

  • shake&bake

    @QQ – somehow I’m gay??? But you want to emails guys pictures of yourself.

  • QQ

    ok guys, it’s summer, and we’re at work looking to kill a few minutes here and there, so i’m gonna start asking hypothetical questions and i’d like to get some participation back. Tell me what you think?

  • Kevin

    “gimmie ur email and i’ll send you a pic of my abs lakeshow.”

    When did this turn into a dating service. In the words of Riley Freeman, “That was real gay, my n***a!”

  • sh!tfaced

    Uh-oh. Don’t tell me there are also Alpa Chinos here. LOL

  • hoopsguru

    the overall Lakers/Grizz deal ended up being (and still unknown)

    Pau and 2010 2nd

    for

    Kwame, J. Crittenton, McKie, Marc Gasol, Donte Greene (the 1st rounder from LA) and a 2010 1st.

    Since then, the Lakers still have Pau

    The Grizz parted ways with Kwame who became a FA (im sure they could have traded him for at least a pick or something), Crittenton was moved to Washington for a future 1st rounder. McKie has retired. Marc Gasol averaged 12pts, 7rebs in his rookie year for the Grizz. Greene was moved to Houston for something that escapes me right now. And then there is the 2010 1st that remains to be seen.

  • knock knock

    yeah marc gasol is a g

  • LakeShow84

    Thnx HoopsGuru!

    See the Grizzlies got plenty of building blocks!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    Who gives a shit.. listen peeps when a team isnt going anywhere they usually ship their talent for gobstoppers.. How you gonna trade Baron Davis for Speedy Claxton & Dale Davis?? or Shaq for Marion?? hows about Shaq for Odom?? come on now, it happens.. the only problem peeps have is it happened with Kobe.. No one will admit they never wanted to see Kobe shine again and thats why the Grizzlie deal created so much resentment.. Cuz now we shinin bright as a mothafucka..

  • rick vianello

    Gallo is not D-League material, he’s going to make lots of people eat their crow…
    Jordan Hill, on the other hand…hmm…

  • alimoe

    yea lets trade the franchise for an unproven backup and cash hmm what?????????

  • DurrtyInjun

    haha…i think the fake QQ been playin too much GTA IV cause his last few posts been str8 Brucie.

  • LakeShow84

    @ ALIMOE

    It took Memphis 4-5 years to realize they wouldnt win a chip with Gasol as they franchise..

    Whats taking you so long?? u seriously think Gasol is a SOLID # 1?? Cuz i think he the most talented offensive big man in the game BUT i still know he aint a #1..

  • Chrmngblly

    QQ,
    Us Low Class LA scumbags just keep taking your lunch money and your women. We can see why you are bitter. Year after year. Your sisters are welcome to keep working the LA streets, too, like your momma does. We don’t mind. You too, even homosexuals have to make a living. Keep it up.

  • doc

    no ones got big enough balls to back it up on the court or octagon,LOL.It aint no mecca for basketball.Any city with a bunch of hoods and playgrounds gonna have talent forever.like in Philly we got as much history as New York on any level concerning basketball.From the old greats(Wilt,Earl the Pearl) who played playground ball too(who was KG playing in the GOAT movie)to the all time teams (Sixers with Doc and Moses)to college ball(The Big 5) to so much talent half the dam high school teams players go play for some college somewhere,to playground leagues all summer.We stay one of the cities with the most players in the league,and one of them gets compared to Michael Jeffery himself.And Id put money on it cities like Chitown,The D,LA,Oakland,etc,etc can spit the same shit.CHURCH!

  • SagJism

    And besides what is Steve Nash complaining about, he got 2 free MVP’s when he couldnt even check thew worse NBA guard. SN needs to STFU, didnt they just have Shaq for nothing? but they didnt want to play defense so they got rid of the coach. SN just play you stupid ground game and leave the big lifting to the real players.

  • SagJism

    @42 and @46 That was some funny ass tropic thinder shit talk LOL.

  • SagJism

    So QQ has a lower back tattoo of a Dragon? andhe wants to send you pics of his abs? I dont think the real QQ would be that gay, probably someone stealing his dimeid.

  • SagJism

    I admit that “simple jack mutha fuckers” comment was funny as hell though.