NBA / Aug 28, 2009 / 2:02 pm

Blasphemy

Young G.O.A.T.

Young G.O.A.T.

“Babe Ruth is the greatest baseball player that ever lived. I mean, people say he was less than a god, but more than a man. You know, like Hercules or something!”
– Benny Rodriguez, The Sandlot

In this game, Hercules goes by the name Michael Jordan. Except for those who are old enough to have seen Wilt or Russell or Oscar play in their primes, there is little argument that MJ is the greatest basketball player that ever lived. How little? Mike is the only player who you can refer to simply as “G.O.A.T.” and everybody knows exactly who you’re talking about. And yet, over time I’ve come to learn one almost unbelievable truth:

Michael Jordan is overrated.

(I paused for a minute after I wrote that sentence. No lightning bolt, no ghost of Michael rising from the fog to dunk on my foolish head. OK, cool. Moving on…)

How could we have possibly overrated the guy who sets the standard for ratings? By having grown-ass men do what the kids in The Sandlot did, and turn him into a character that is superhuman on the court and unflawed at his craft. I wrote about this last year, when Kobe Bryant‘s competitiveness was similarly becoming blown up to legendary proportions. In painting Kobe out to be a basketball killing machine who goes 100% every single second of every single game — even when we have clear evidence to the contrary — while the sentiment and appreciation for greatness were welcome in a time where almost everybody is a cynic, at the same time, we weren’t allowing Kobe room to be human.

Jordan is, as usual, the standard-bearer for this kind of treatment. Here is an actual, typical response (taken from this article) when somebody dares bring up the notion that Kobe, the MJ of the 21st century, might be somewhere near as good as Michael:

“The Lakers were up by 24 in a Finals game and lost. That’s nothing like Michael Jordan, he would have never let that happen. No comparison.”

These are often bolstered by claims that Prime Mike would drop 67 points on Kobe easily, that he’d lock him down on D and make him look like Willie Green, and then “Six Rings!” is dropped to end the argument, intended to hit with the force of a Scottish claymore.

But Jordan also missed the playoffs or got knocked out in the first round five times. At Mike’s peak, he lost games to Lottery teams, had some 8-for-27 shooting nights, got lit up on D occasionally, got dunked on, turned the ball over, missed dunks, missed game-winners, and passed up potential game-winners. Ask him as much, and he’ll tell you. He still stands as basketball’s ultimate winner, but he was not an unyielding, flawless winner.

This isn’t about comparing Michael to Kobe — that just happens to be the closest modern-day comparison. It’s about one man reaching mythical proportions in the game, when, unlike Paul Bunyan, we actually have tons of video evidence and first-hand accounts to bring us back to reality.

In the last week, I’ve been to the magazine rack and seen ESPN and Beckett have printed special All-Jordan issues commemorating MJ’s induction into the Basketball Hall of Fame next month. A pretty easy and understandable undertaking considering this is the most photographed and written-about athlete ever, but where was the All-Magic issue? The All-Bird issue? Michael is bigger than the rest, but have we decided that Michael is also bigger than the game, or that he’s just the only one worthy of such reverence?

I get it, though. Jordan wasn’t just our best player, he had — and still has — the greatest aura. His influence goes beyond anyone else’s and will endure longer than anyone else’s. My younger brother, an avid Air Jordan collector, was just shy of 10 years old when Mike hit The Last Shot against Utah. I have a cousin whose name is Jordan. I watch the “Look Me In the Eyes” commercial once every couple of weeks, just because. I’ve been in a packed Madison Square Garden that buzzed, then fell silent, then broke out into wild cheering when Mike appeared in the stands and took a seat. I get that what makes Jordan JORDAN goes beyond basketball.

(Story time: In three years as a full-time professional sportswriter, I’ve been rendered speechless in front of a celebrity exactly two times.

The first was at an NBA Live 07 promo event in New York. While casually chatting up T-Mac, Tony Parker and Nate Robinson like we were lifelong friends, I soon found out Toccara Jones — subject of the greatest magazine cover I’ve ever seen — was also working the event as an interviewer for BET. Over 20 minutes that felt like an hour, my feet got me within speaking range several times, my eyes earned me a couple flashes of attention, but my mouth just wouldn’t play along.

The second time was at All-Star Weekend ’08 in New Orleans, at a Boost Mobile party/pool tournament. There I was comfortably making the rounds with everybody from Gabrielle Union to Kevin Durant (weirdest moment of my life: Choppa from Da Band came up to me and Andrew Katz like, “What up, fam?” as if we knew each other), until Michael Jordan entered the picture. In a surreal scene where Mike was playing pool against Michael Bivens while BBD’s “Poison” was blasting on the speakers, fueled by vodka-cran, I decided to go over and say something. I slipped past his bodyguard, Charles Oakley, but once I got close to Mike, I forgot what I was gonna say. I settled for “accidentally” nudging his arm, exchanging a head-nod, then giggling back to my group like a girl at a Trey Songz concert.)

But somewhere along the way, we forgot that Jordan at his best wasn’t Jordan all the time. When people get on LeBron for not having a jumper (like Mike) or not having a championship (like Mike), they forget that Mike didn’t always have those things. Even if he made it close to perfection, there was always a process.

I’ve been tinkering with this column for about a week, trying to figure out a way to make my point without being called a “hater” or just plain crazy. And maybe I am #2, but definitely not #1. Growing up, I found myself in awe of Michael’s game as much as anybody — and perhaps even more so when he came back to the Wizards and showed it wasn’t all just about physical superiority — but I was also able to see the full picture.

He wasn’t a perfect player. He isn’t completely, indisputably, the greatest of all-time. He isn’t THAT much better than Magic or Bird or Oscar or Kobe or (save this space for LeBron once he wins some championships). He didn’t score 50 “at will”; he had to work for it.

And, thankfully, Michael has too much respect for the game, his teammates and his competitors to ever say things implying otherwise. He can, like the rest of us should, remember that Space Jam was just a movie.

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  • Ian

    unchecked
    mj didnt rip the league from anyone he started winning when the other teams got old and their stars got old.

    kaya mann
    dude if u read my post u can see im not a big fan of the man i always talk about that super team jordan had around him when some fools try to say that he carried scrubs. now you made one big ass mistake if someone had a better team around him than jordan it was magic so dont even try to imply that jordan had a better team than him.

  • leftfoot

    Incendiary, divisive article! Though there isn’t one unarguable way of determining what constitutes “G.O.A.T”…. I had the pleasure of witnessing MJ’s (8-year?) reign over the NBA during the 90s; and, as a real fan then, I wasn’t overly academic (taking note of the rougher D, league of centers, rule differences, etc) much in the way that younger audiences today are amazed at Kobe’s scoring streaks and uncanny knack for making difficult Js, or by Lebron’s unworldly physique, explosiveness and PER prowess. To concede that MJ conquered a far more physical, but less potent league that had never seen the kind of versatility and young athleticism in present day NBA teams is of course, being CIRCUMSPECT of every other NBA superlegend who ever made the 50-best-players in history. (And, further along this juxtaposition, why some “critics” contend that Nowitzki is better than Bird, or CP3 far superior to KJ, Archibald or Zeke). My rejoinder is that it is ONLY MJ who dominated (not necessarily won it) disparate eras of NBA basketball successively and with such world-ready impact it lorded over all else…or everyone. In an era where Magic, Bird, DR.J, Moses and Isiah peaked, MJ was on a SPECTACULAR offensive and defensive tear; In an era of sluggish offense, but hardened defensive sets, MJ WILLED his team to six trophies, and GOBBLED up just about every important competitor & accolade. In a perimeter-oriented league, MJ even in his 40s LIGHTED up the league for 20-22ppg (scoring even 50 once), and had the media embrace the Wizards anew. MJ is a deity.

  • doc

    Look at these fools.He ripped the league from magic and Bird?He aint win shit until his 7th year.Like somebody said earlier.Mike was the one of his era but the teams fell off when he reached his prime.He went from having to beat Mchale and Zeke in the playoffs to having to beat Ewing and Starks.Get the fuck outta here!Any oldhead will tell you them 80′s team were better and the 80′s Celts,80′Lakers,and 83 Sixers will bust Mike and them ass.

  • doc

    Just like they did including the 80′s Pistons,until they got old.

  • UncheckedAggression

    That’s just incorrect doc. Yeah man, whatever–Jordan didn’t have any legendary competition. I guess it only makes it legendary if the other teams win every now and then? So much for total domination. ’83 Sixers!? You just lost any credibility you had on that suggestion.

    It doesn’t mean anything that a few dudes that read articles on this website have ridiculous opinions (in fact I think that is what these comments are for) so I won’t bother arguing with the few out there that “refuse to get on MJ’s nuts.”

    Have a nice day. And I’ll be laughing at that Sixers line for a long time, man. That is classic Dimemag commentary right there.

  • marco

    @prof tx how was shaq and wilt thrown into this? first of all, rules were changed because of wilt’s dominance but whose to say that shaq wouldn’t have been able to dominate the same way or even better playing with those rules? and those numbers were produced in a time where the FG% of perimeter guys were lower…therefore more rebounds and more chances for wilt to score..and lastly, wilt has what? 2 rings? Shaq has 4. I’m not saying Shaq is better than Wilt..i’m just saying that when it comes to comparing players (Shaq/Wilt, MJ/Kobe) don’t just look at the gaudy stats..look at the overall impact..with regards to this article, he did not do anything other than to state the obvious..no one here says mike drops 60 without even breaking a sweat, or than mike’s team always had an 82-0 record..MJ is the GOAT. Take away all the exaggerations done by the media, and you can still see that he is.

  • Ian

    unchecked that sixers team could play the 90s bulls and imo beat them moses would shit on rodman and longley.

  • Kaya Mann

    Ian – I’m not implying MJ had better talent – I’m implying Magic was a player who made his talent better (more than his Airness)
    To say MJ made his teammates better wasn’t untrue, it’s just he didn’t bring out the best in every player like Magic did
    Another tidbit mentioned earlier in another post but not stressed enough is that Magic had all around versatility!!!
    Magic played point, power forward & center vs the Sixers and had like 42, 14 and 10 in the deciding game with Kareem out!!! If MJ did some Sh&t like that ESPN would’ve put a screen on the Moon so everyone could see the Replays 24/7!!!
    Also check out Worthy’s numbers after Magic retired!!!

  • Ian

    kaya
    i personally rank magic ahead of jordan in an alltime list and yes i agree magic with 4 scrubs would do more than mj and 4 scrubs i might be alone on this one but if i take the top ten players ever (kobe isnt one btw hes top 20 not ten for me) and gave then the same 4 players jordans squad would prob finish last or maybe birds but pgs and centers can do a bit more to help a team than a sg or sf. again jordan is a top 3 player ever i just rather have some other players if im starting a team. an alltime list is based on what you accomplished with the talent given around you. example shaq ranks higher than hakeem and the admiral alltime but i rather have either one than shaq in their primes.

  • wtf

    I just gotta say with no jumpshot jordan averaged 37.1 points per game in his 3rd season after being injured his whole second season. What other guard did that. You guys are crazy saying he’s not #1 and he had more and better competition than than the players today have. And u gotta remember jordan demolished some stacked teams to get his rings it wasn’t easy. And talent wise those teams where always better than the bulls.

  • leftfoot

    Every one is entitled to an opinion, flawed or otherwise. The thing is, getting four scrubs (who are they?) to play with Magic gets you JUST that: Magic most likely making a good dish or there, making a good finger roll, a babyhook here or there, making his scrub teammates feel a tad bit better than their scrub selves. Now, if you had MJ with those same scrubs, MJ would definitely take it upon himself to dominate, score plenty, drive a lot, not settle, dish when in a crowded situation, provide hustle and competitive helpside and strong side/M2M/all-world Defense. In a broken play w/ 4 scrubs, MJ is just unparalleled, and THIS Matters. IMO [as well], mj’s mix of court awareness, talent and Off/def competitiveness is an EDGE over the many hackneyed/worn-out/sloppy criticisms people throw at him. Does he really need to make his teammates THAT better to be better than some [a few]? Does he need the EXACT competition others faced before, when in fact, he competed individually very well against these supposed “80s teams we revere?” Misplaced misplaced misplaced…

  • S-SiN

    nice try. now go clean your room.

  • Spangatanga

    MJ had the X-factor, he inspired you to get better, he retired with all the drama, returned to the league and won more championships.
    He was a revolution.

    Is Michael Jackson the best singer in the world, the true king of pop?
    A matter of taste… but whatever he did, the masses seemed to love him.

    MJ (jordan) was in the right place, at the right time, with right team, had the talent, the work-ethic, the looks, the charisma, the dunks, the technique, the right sponsor, manager, etc… he ALL made the right dissicions to become what he is today.
    And MJ is maybe a far better businessman than he is a basketball player.
    He made you believe…

    Compare this, with all former and current players in the NBA.
    Do you want to spend $500 on lmtd. ed. Larry Bird’s?
    Magic Johnson’s space jam?
    Kobe’s media approach?
    Lebron James’s shooting or on the court leadership?

    MJ HAD IT ALL!!

  • SagJism

    @33. perftect point and thats what i think dime was trying to relay but you know the phobes on this site.

    GOAT, So he is head and shoulder abouve Oscar, magic, bird, Dr J, Wilt Kobe – GTFOH, he is good that main thing with mike is he perfected publicity which is mainly what propels himn above the thers and gives him this aura of invincibility. Mike is good and is definitly in the arguement for the GOAT but with baskbetball, its a team sprt and depending on where you land and that teams schema yopu couldbe the greatest player ever and it not be known due to the team concept that your on. Fortunately for Mike he was allowed to control his own destriny other players are not afforded that option for whatever reason. If you lived during the time, Oscar was Lebron and MJ mixed into one player but a lot of his career didnt have TCV exposure so you dont see how well he played but for most of theplayers in his era including Jerry West, Oscar was Jesus with a basketball. Can t be too much more perfect than that.

  • SagJism

    @97, I can agree with that, Also Bill Russell could be considered the GOAT as well.

  • http://www.nukedasouth.net Chicagorilla

    I remember when i had my first drink- Brenen Huff a.k.a. NiteHawk

  • Ian

    leftfoot
    no jordan didnt compete very well with the 80s teams i dont know where u got that from. he got into the playoffs with under .500 record to get owned by boston and detroit. with jordan and 4 scrubs you get 60 pts and a loss.

    wtf
    that nicks says it all wtf man what team did jordan beat was more talented than the bulls??? what team was stacked??

  • wtf

    91 they beat the pistons to get to the finals in which all the starters averaged double digits, the pistons had isaih thomas 16.2 ppg, joe dumars 20.4, bill laimbeer 11.0, mark aguire 14.2, dennis rodman 12.5 rpg, vinnie johnson 11.7ppg,

    Lakers
    magic johnson, james worthy, byron scott, sam perkins, vlade divac, terry teagle, a.c. green

    Bulls

    the bulls only had three people avg over 10 points per game that year which tells that the other teams where better.

    jordan,pippen, grant, b.j armstrong,cartwright, so yes the teams were better than the bulls but they weren’t better than jordan, i mean i could go on forever. but this is why jordan is legend he never back down even though he took his l’s he still won over teams that were better than his team. he found a way to win against the odds and thats why he was so great. you can’t compare wilt he was just the tallest guy on the court and was outdone by bill russell so no more wilt talk. the reason MJ is so coveted is because of his athleticism the position he played and how he played it. at the end of the day you can’t deny him. and yes he needed one piece to the puzzle and that was pippen, magic didn’t have 4 scrubs ya’ll buggin how many of his teammates are in the hall of fame? then they aren’t scrubs. lmao check your facts before you start spewing nonsen.

  • Stan

    OK here’s the thing… Jordan is probably the best player many of us will see in our lifetimes. Problem is whats always been the problem.. different players.. different eras…different ways to compare

    I’ll use Magic Johnson as an example…

    Magic led his teams to championships just like Jordan, and had many more assists. He didn’t score as much as Jordan but thats wasn’t what he needed to do to win. Jordan did.

    They both did what they needed to do to win.

    Magic came into a good team and started winning, Jordan struggled until the supporting cast was built. Proving that one man is not the whole game no matter how great.

    Its a good arguement… who is the greatest player of all time.. but its difficult to answer because the game changes all the time. Training and medicine has bred better athletes, don’t get me started on steroids.

    Every era has players that have dominated. Jordan did is during the explosion of national TV and cable where more people could see him. I was a teen on the east coast in the 80′s and the odds of me being able to see Magic play were slim to none. Media has built up more a base for people to watch Jordan than Magic had.

    Is Jordan the best player I’ve seen play? Yes I believe he is.

    Do I think he is the greatest player by a wide margin? No,I think there were many players almost as great, when you factor all the variables anyway.

  • Student Of The Game

    i love this article. i can honestly say that. Jordan may in fact be the G.O.A.T. but it’s not like he was flawless and had the “perfect” game.

  • Matt

    i want to cut my feet off whenever people mention lebron in the same category as jordan.

  • E.J. Garcia

    I agree with Ian and Kaya. Magic is the greatest of all-time! Magic had a lot more triple-doubles than Jordan did!
    End of discussion! He dominated by passing,scoring,and rebounding while Jordan only dominated scoring.Magic can play all 5 positions while Jordan can only play 3. Magic won 5 titles against the great Celtic,76er,and Piston teams while Jordan won 6 titles against lesser teams. A lot of people think Jordan won those titles all by himself. But he always played with 2 other all-stars in Scottie Pippen and either Horace Grant or Dennis Rodman. He had great help during his Championship runs!

  • Ian

    wtf
    please dont tell someone else to check the facts when you dont even know wtf you are talking about.
    the bulls beat the pistons once after three straight knockdowns are you comparing the 80s lakers to the one that made the finals??? the only way you can compare teammates is by seeing them play without their best player.
    what happened to the lakers after magic left???
    what happened to the pistons after isiah???
    what happened to the celts after bird???
    they all sucked
    now what happened to the bulls after jordan left in 94??? hum let me thing 55 wins second round taking the knicks to 7 games. so scrubs did that??? THOSE ARE FACTS OF SHIT THAT HAPPENED.
    againnnnn
    the bulls had the best defensive pf and rebounder in the game.
    the bulls had the best sf and prob overall defender in the game.
    the bulls had the best three point shooter in the game.
    the bulls had the best coach in the game.
    the bulls had the best 6th man in the game.
    so please you can say jordan is the best ever and have enough to back it up but dont ever say he carried scrubs because he didnt 94 and 95 proved it.

    check your facts.

  • fallinup

    Someone name me one bad part about Michael’s game. What was the one thing teams could exploit???

    Pfft….Yeah.

  • Bermuda Boy

    One thing Jordan couldn’t do for his team? Umm…come off the bench? Umm…be a coach? Shoot, his only flaw is that he couldn’t clone himself. Jordan IS the greatest of all time. Not a single damn flaw (as to be reasonably expected of a guard anyway)

  • DAZEFROMDAHAZE22

    I BEG TO DIFFER BUDDY!!!

    HIS AIRNESS WILL DROP 65 “AT WILL”…THE WAY HE LOOKED ON THE COURT HE DINT HAVE TO DO SHIT JUST NATURAL BODY MOVEMENTS

    OH AND BY THE WAY…………

    I TOO AM ON THAT KUSH

  • jc

    All the Bulls championship squads ran 10 deep, a couple years it was 11. In particular, the Bulls somehow managed to sign basically every veteran big man with a mid-range jumper for half a decade.

    I remember before the Bulls won a chip MJ averaged 37 (not a typo) one season and the Bulls got owned in the playoffs anyway. All the sportswriters were wondering if Jerry Reinsdorf’s cheap-ass would pony up to pay for some help. They called the team “Michael and the Jordanairres.”

    I remember reading an article in SI about “new coach Phil Jackson” and his unorthodox coaching methods (meditation and yoga for players), and whether the players would accept it, and could it work.

    GOAT? Ya.

    Oh and to the person who said Magic couldn’t take over a game…puh-leeze.

  • leftfoot

    actually, NO ONE here is disputing that the Bulls 96-98 edition wasn’t a locked and loaded team (albeit only if you consider Judd B, Simpkins, Parish, Caffey, Haley, Wennington, Randy “T.R. Dunn 2000″ Brown, as people who’ll really turn up the proverbial firepower), but you have to respect the fact that yes, as soon as MJ learned to win with his teammates, that was pretty much it. He dominated thereon, and, yes, was never dethroned, only relinquished for lack of a better motivation. Unfortunately, we really cant prove the 4scrubs + mike or magic argument. Tell you what, though, i do wanna line up Magic with a 4th-year Pippen and Grant, Paxson, Hansen, Cartwright, young Armstrong, Cliff Levingston, Purdue, Stacy King and Scott Williams, Hopson and Tucker. I wanna see him 3-peat w/ that all-star, 10-deep (or even 11) lineup!! i really really do. is a five-peat even conceivable!??!

  • Sweet English

    Micheal is bigger than Basketball.

    I don’t know about Micheal because i play basketball.

    I play basketball because of Micheal.

  • Sweet English

    ‘Whoa Whoa, I didnt know Dan Akroyd was in this picture…’

    Space Jam, Classic. Dare you question it again Burton and i will strike thee down with the rath of angered gods.

  • Helios

    the people who talk about wilt as the greatest do not know the game of basketball. During wilts time the only guy close to his hight was Russel, and he was still about 5 inches taller and a lot stronger, wilt did not play ball, he just dropped the ball in the hoop. but he couldn’t dribble, he couldn’t shoot from further than two feet etc etc. that is why russel gave him problems, because wilt had no real basketball skill. now that that is said, the reason that michael is considered the greatest of all time (individually) is because he came into the league and dominated from the onset on both ends of the floor. People want to talk about magic or larry or any of the other greats, and thats fine and dandy, but how many of them dominated on both ends of the floor? Want to know who is the only player who was not a forward or center to have more than 200 blocks and 100 steals in a season? MJ. MJ was the first guard to ever record those numbers, and he did it 3 times. On his best year by the numbers, he got almost every accolade the league could hand out, in a league that hated him. That year he averaged 40 points for more than half the season, ending with an average of 37.1, leading the league in steals as well. That in itself sums it up, he did that from day one, he played exceptionally well on both ends of the floor, all the time, till his body couldn’t do it anymore. How many times did magic win defensive player of the year, or larry or dr. j? they didn’t. just like jerry west, and elgin baylor where great scorers, they where also defensive liabilities. MJ led the league in scoring 10 times, and is the only guard in league history to do it more than 5 times. That is what separates him from the pack. ask yourself this question, yes, I would love to have larry bird or magic distribute the ball for me, but would you trust them to guard the opponents best player? the honest answer is no. People who talk about different era’s and the freaks of nature that exist today, make me laugh. MJ didn’t stop playing that long ago, he played with some of todays stars, and played well, even though his body had aged. When you get a player that can impose his will on both ends of the court, consistently for the span of time that he did, then it is easy to see why got the numbers he did. There where other players in the league that had comparable physical traits, why didn’t other people do the same things, and I’m not talking team accolades, I’m standing on his numbers alone. This is a cute article, but to be overrated, you have to be portrayed as something that is not true. and frankly, it is too easy to show why MJ is the best we probably will ever see this lifetime.

  • Bruse Wayne

    To Whom it may concern:

    Who ever hired this retard and allowed him to publish this garbage rambling of nonsense should be fired immediately. As for the character who actually wrote this asinine jumble of words, you should never be a part of or participate in a basketball and or sport related topics, ever.

    Good Evening

    B.Wayne

  • Angel

    If you are hating on Mike and you own a pair of Jordans slap yourself. He hasn’t played the game in how many years and his shoes are STILL HOT! His game spoke for itself. Marketing doesn’t have crap to do with him being able to handle players on the court. HE IS G.O.A.T. Basketball without Mike please get serious!!!

  • will

    people common down what i think what austin was saying was
    that MJ is a icon can`t deny that he was great but at the
    same time there were Magic,Bird,and those before them and
    there be those after MJ we know MJ is a bad Motherfuc@#$%&…what if Magic would have never got sick or Bird back went bad…probably would have won a couple more titles…did a lot of you guys see Magic or Bird play in their prime…Magic won a title as a rookie playing out of position MVP of the championship…read and comprehend
    Magic-5 NBA titles,3 time MVP,finals MVP 3 times also played Bird for a college title as a sophomore and won
    Bird-3 NBA titles,3 time MVP,finals MVP 2 times…all he
    was saying they all going to leave some type of legacy from Kobe to Lebron once he start winning titles not a title,but titles…Jordan said it there were great ones
    before him and there are going to be great ones after him

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