NBA / Sep 16, 2009 / 11:00 am

God & Basketball

Amar'e Stoudemire, Dime #14

Amar'e Stoudemire, Dime #14

Michael Jordan really could have walked onto the Hall of Fame stage and only said “Thank you” before walking away, and he still would’ve garnered headline news. John Stockton‘s speech was memorable because he showed more sense of humor in those 15-20 minutes than he did in 15-20 years in the NBA. Jerry Sloan‘s speech was notable for its resemblance to the way his teams play ball: a rough grind that drags on forever. And then C. Vivian Stringer simply commanded the stage: entertaining, inspiring, thoughtful, gracious and heartfelt.

Then there was David Robinson. His H.O.F. speech didn’t stand out as much as the others because, well, we already knew what we’d get from The Admiral. Always a better citizen than a basketball player, always a man of God first and foremost, he was predictably thankful and humble, and of course he talked about his faith.

Some think he may have talked about it too much. One of my boys texted me during Robinson’s speech: “Damn did DRob catch the Holy Ghost?” The following morning on DimeMag.com, one reader commented, “I didn’t realize that Robinson was so vocal with his Christianity. Dude seemed like a preacher at the end of his speech with his eyes closed and just laying it on us all.”

Whether it’s in long form, like Robinson’s speech, or a quick “I wanna give honor and glory to God” that an athlete drops post-game, publicly blending religion and sports I believe draws a gut reaction from all of us, though it’s been going on for so long that we don’t bother verbalizing it anymore. When somebody like David Robinson uses a public platform to talk about God at the same time he’s talking about sports, there is always a mixed reaction, even in the religious community. Some feel he’s elevating his faith as a duty and sharing his spiritual journey, and will applaud him for it. Other feel it’s trivializing God (or whatever deity you believe in) to imply God has anything to do with something as ultimately unimportant as sports.

David Robinson, SI '96

David Robinson, SI '96

Charles Barkley was the first athlete I remember actually saying “God wants us to win,” even if he was joking. (“I talked to him last night,” Barkley said before the ’93 Finals.) After that, others like Reggie White and Evander Holyfield took a more serious tone, either implying or declaring regularly that they succeeded because it was God’s want for them to succeed. (At least that’s how I read it back then.) And sometimes, it seemed, they were saying they succeeded because their team or themselves were closer to God than their opponent.

High school football was the first time I was personally exposed to crossing sports and religion. Before every game, our team doctor or one of the upperclassmen would lead a locker room prayer that was distinctly Christian. While I had a bit of a problem with going 100% Christian in a setting — a room full of young men still discovering themselves — where other faiths could be in practice, I wasn’t too bothered. During those times, we’d pray for health, strength, and the resolve to perform up to the best of our abilities. As a unit, we didn’t pray to win. But I know some players who did. And if we lost, I sometimes wondered if it affected those guys’ religious convictions at all.

The other day I was watching an ESPN Classic boxing match between Angel Manfredy — a walking contrast who often wore a Devil’s mask to the ring but also had the Virgin Mary and other religious tattoos on his body — and Courtney Burton, when one announcer brought up the two fighter’s respective faith. The other announcer relayed this old gym tale:

A fighter takes a knee to pray before a match. When he’s done, somebody in his corner asks, “Does that help?” The boxer responds, “Only if you can fight.”

What role, if any, do you believe God and religion plays in sports?

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  • control

    Abdul-Salaam

    How would you like me to present this proof?

    I guess the fact there are Sunni and Shiite followers of the same book would substantiate my claim (they definitely don’t read and interpret the same message from their books).

    Maybe the fact that in the Saudi version of the book, it mentions planes, tanks, and various types of modern machinery could do that too. I doubt they were mentioned in the original.

    The oldest found Koran (found in Sanaa, Yemen I believe) apparently is vastly different than the current versions…how that possible?

  • control

    Steve A

    Which one is correct though?

    The Dead Sea scrolls had several other gospels that aren’t included in any modern versions of the bible, so they didn’t even have the chance to be misinterpreted. Who made the choices to exclude them from any future versions? If they were all ‘inspired’ by god, then shouldn’t they ALL be included?

    All I’m saying, is that MEN made the choices on how to interpret them (and push them onto the general populace), based on their own needs at the time. MEN in power chose to exclude various writings that were just as valid at the time as the ones they didn’t exclude, because THEY had specific goals in mind.

  • adam

    The reason that there are two different sects of Islam is b/c of arguments over who should have suceeded the prophet Muhammad, not b/c of differences in the koran. Additionally, there are some supplementary/secondary texts (not part of the koran) and teachings that create some differences between the two.

    Also the Saudi version of the koran is only different in its English translation, not in its original Arabic form.

  • Steve A

    Just because other documents were found with pieces of scripture doesn’t mean they are “inspired”. There was a criteria that had to be met, if it wasn’t, it wasn’t considered. If one does believe the Bible is accurate, then what’s in there is what’s supposed to be. But causing strife between the different interpretations is another way for Satan to get at us and cast doubt in our minds.
    Saying Man decided what is in the Bible isn’t very accurate if you believe in God. God would put in us the necessity to pick the correct books. As to why not every bible is the same? Humans bicker over certain differences in interpretation therefore causing different versions. The message in most cases remains unchanged.
    I do see why you would come to those conclusions, but I feel differently.

  • e

    david robinson made the best speech and showed humility and of course gave GOD the glory first the reason why it isnt a bi deal because people of the world dont care about things like that they love the negativity and that it was all your hard work that put you at the top and not GOD however it will be sad to see on judgement day all the mockers and unbelievers GOD rightfully calls cowards

  • Abdul-Salaam

    @control:

    adam pretty much replied for me. Sunnis and Shiis read the same quran, it’s only a question of interpretation.
    A saudi quran would be no different from any other quran in it’s arabic. If your talking about translations it’s different. We don’t consider a translation a quran.
    Show me how the oldest copy of the quran is different in arabic than any quran u find in any mosque in the US or anywere else in the world.

  • Oscarisalakerfan

    I would have never thought that coming to a bball site would have landed with me learning about religion.

  • Taj

    Good write up…

    I was brought up in a Christian setting, went to Catholic elementary’s and High schools.. Prayed before class but never before a game as a team. I did that on my own, (usually for health, wisdom.. never so that I could score 40). But I never pushed my beliefs on anyone on the team nor did they ridicule me for what I was doing. It has nothing to do with what reliogion you are, but that you have faith. Faith that theres a higher power than us.. I have faith that a higher power put us here. Some big explosion didnt give me limbs, a heart and make me look like my father. What is that higher power, I have NO clue…

    If athletes have faith in that power then they should thank him for the blessings they have to do what they do at such a high level.. Height, strength, iron will, grit, lucky bounce, etc…

    More everyday people should do the same, because we are truly “blessed”..

  • Just a Fan

    With so many existing religions to choose from, in the end, someone’s going to regret wasting a significant portion of their life believing in a fallacy. Will it be yours?

  • Gnasche

    I’m not even a theist and I liked Robinson’s inclusion of his faith during the acceptance speech. It’s the core of who he is as a person, and it’s the right platform to show that (which is why I also liked Jordan’s speech). I don’t think Robinson meant to imply that God had a direct influence over his successes, only that God helped him become a man capable of such successes.

    I think the funniest inclusion of God in sports came on Monday Night Football. I think it was Dante Hall who returned a kickoff for a game-winning touchdown as time expired. They immediately put a mic in his face and he said, “I just want to thank God for my blockers”.

  • Jake

    Im not here to get into a religous argument. I’m a christian and I believe that God keeps us safe, and helps us to play to the best of our abilities. I’m not sure whether the Lord has anything to do with affecting games, but I believe God can do anything. I feel that he protects us when we play and allows us to do the best we can. Like I said, no debating, but I think faith certainly has a place in sports.

  • yoda

    well, thing is, no one has problem is its christian religion. some may mumble if its jewish, not that much. if some follower of islam starts talking about allah or islam in general, he could be labeled as terrorist supporter. as for scientology, well some would just call them crazy.

  • sh!tfaced

    A little faith is always good no matter what you do.

    Though when watching a game, I’ve seen fans take the religion at overkill, they pray and close their eyes while the game is in play, especially in a close game during crunch time, that they don’t even watch the actual game anymore. What the f…

  • http://twitter.com/PoppiGEE POPPI GEE

    I feel like it’s a different religion born every second. And if people want to praise a cockroach, rootbeer, the sun, allah or my personal favorite GOD, then they have that right.

    I have heard the saying if a man doesn’t stand for something then he will fall for anything, so I think it’s cool if players are praising GOD or even not standing for the Flag if they see fit cause it’s their right.

    I think it’s neat when players let there lights shine before men, so they can see that player’s good works and glorify the father in Heaven if that is their way of life.

    I most def. think GOD has a hand in all things small and large based on how he deems to intervene if necessary including things as trivial to some as sports.

    Sure you can thank GOD for the win and you can also thank GOD for the loss, cause either way if you lived to play before, in and after the game it’s a blessing in which I see no problem for thanks.

  • quest???

    I am an active catholic and my dad is a very active protestant. This has taught me to be somewhat tolerant of other peoples’ belief of God. I believe god blesses us with abilities and it is up to us to maximize our abilities and do the best we can to help.

  • A-Lid

    Believe in god, pray for his aid in a sports game, but you can’t blame god for you and your team losing. Never turn your back, and work harder.

  • Taj

    Atta boy, Poppi!! Couldnt have put it any better!

  • Taj

    Your Rockets are gonna need some “Divine intervention” this year though with Yao out! LOL!

  • http://twitter.com/TomGyorko TomGfromCanada

    God is just Dog spelled backward

  • http://sevendeu2u.wordpress.com/ Seven Duece

    If a guy is living it like he’s speaking it, then what’s wrong with him speaking on his spirituality and convictions. I just have a problem with cornball dudes (like Stephen Jackson) always taking photos in a prayer pose. Or DWade tithing all that money to church, while cheating on his wife.

  • http://Ne Ahmed

    I myself do belive god plays a major role in anyones success not for the simple fact that the individual just prays to god for succes but puts his faith that the higher power will be on his/her side to support them to become succesful in w/e he/she may want to succeed in. I also feel that at times people forget that a lot of the success one gains is by there own hard work and by putting your faith in god you will just add on a positive factor to your success and hard work. So god definately for me plays a huge role in the sucess of athletes and all human beings in different walks of life.

  • Sweet English

    Why don’t you give yourselves some credit people.

    Excuse my ignorance people but, 1. God isn’t real and 2. If he was, he wouldn’t give a flying fuck who could put a spherical piece of rubber through a metal hoop more than another person.

  • Geoff

    God is real, and those that believe should be proud. However, it is more than just a verbal declaration in the sporting arena. It is about your life. What if Christians are on both teams…who wins then?

  • Sweet English

    Two things for you all to think about aswell.

    1. I was reading the book of revelations last week (Cousins baptism, bored shitless, read book) and i read a short story about some dude (excuse my ignorance again) who slayed a ten headed monster of the sea. And this is the book of FACT that you all chose to believe is FACTUALY TRUE? Don’t get me wrong, feel free to read the bible and have faith and live a life based on a set of morals, but please dont tell me that as a rational human being you believe a man in the sky made us all out of dust?

    2. Thousands of years ago, Egyptians prayed to the god of the sun that the floating orange blob in the sky would rise every day. And it rose every day. So the Egyptians were all right, right? No. Since those days, with absouloutely no other proof either for or against the ancient egyptian religion, we all decided it was a load of shit, that there was actually just the one god and that actually hes been the one running shit since day 1. With absoloutely no proof to say otherwise. Except for a book, that a man wrote.

    Shit, i’m off to pray to dumbledore and then have a quick game of quidditch.

  • doc

    On the ballcourt.I am your fucking God.

  • tja

    faith in god is a consequence of men’s arrogance and because humans consider themselves too important.

    who made david robinson?
    evolution did, amen.

    i, however, think religion is important for society, for a collective living togehter. people need religion for their psyche, otherwise they’re weak and lost creatures, btw my father is teacher for religious education in school and i was raised in christian tradition, and am NOT against it, i just doubt the ultimate validity of all this, i think i’m in with your quidditch game…

  • Sweet English

    Religion is important to society? As much as i agree with the remainder of your statements, how can you believe this is true? Those who follow a religion would find any way to live there lives righteously. Religion is just an easy personification for those who want to live a moraly correct life. Those who preach hate however, have been brainwashed over there lives to truly belive in irrational hatred.

    Long story short. Religion does not create love nor happiness. For a faith to be possible, the love has to be there already. Religion DOES however manufacture hate. No man is born with the hatred in his mind to want to murder 2500 people in a plane. That kind of bile can only be passed from one human to another, and religion is simply an excuse.

    So ‘thank’ your God for me, next time your chatting. Good job big fella.

  • AB_40

    none

    I don’t like it. When Dwight Howard before the finals said god wants orlando to win. well something snapped inside of me and all the great things orlando had done in the playoffs were gone for me.

    and everyone can interpet the koran and the bible differently. the stories are so vague. and if you believe all the things that are in one book or another, litteraly they make no sense. and there are at least 5 different ways you can interpet every story.

    I live in a country where football(or soccer as y’all like to call it) is the number one sport and we have a kind of harsh but very real commentetor/ legend at the reviews of some games. He said if all 22 players hit a cross on their chest and prayed for the win there’d be a tie game, so it makes no sense.

  • O-man

    Good luck with your imaginary friend all. That

    jump shot I misssed last Thursday was not a metaphysical thing – just a bad jump shot.

  • O-man

    The world is full of wonderful and very real things for us all to believe in. It makes me sad that so many people prefer to have their life dictated by anachronistic tales of semi-fictional characters.

    America is a very diverse nation, at its constitutional foundation a secular democracy. I’m surprised that so many seem to prefer a theocracy, and I’m appalled by the fact that they won’t admit to that agenda.

    In the very unlikely event that the afterlife does exist, I’ll guarantee you one thing: The founding fathers are pissed off.

    Religion is alienating and divisive, it fuels hatred, it limits free thinking and innovation and it’s used to justify murder, discrimination and human rights violations every day.

    Sports on the other hand is inclusive and non-discriminating. On the court, it doesn’t matter how rich you are, what education you have and what religion or philosophy you subscribe too. It spans language, age and culture like nothing else.

    To me a basketball game is almost a microcosmos of how the world should be. Different roles, but a shared objective, equal opportunity, making sacrifices for each other in the struggle for a common cause. It’s a universal and beautiful thing. Religion is not compatible with this, so keep your religious agenda out of sports.

    You have your church and your private homes, worship whatever you want there.

    But the hardwood is for all, not only dellusional people.

  • http://www.myspace.com/simonhoops Simon Samuel

    See, my nickname is Gods Choice and I am glad that you guys asked this question. Sports have been around ever since they invented the sports along with religiion. People see that all the blessings that they receive during their time on this earth was not just given out of nowhere. Peoples faith really shows when it comes to shooting that last shot, or overcoming an injury that has now been healed over a period of time when there was a time of doubt when that athlete thought they wouldn’t play again. And for those who are close to God and are playing sports, can use this tool to show how he can tune each and everyone of us in through just sports. Its cool, but thats the way I see it. I will explain more later.

  • http://dimemag.com Pakman

    @ POPPI GEE Allah in Arabic=God in English the reason you hear Allah more is because there is no plural form in Arabic for God for ex:Gods in English is a real word but Allahs is not.

    Anyways there is only one version of the Quran and its always been and gonna be that way

    To answer the question religion does have a thing in sports because its you personally with whatever you worship. There is nothing wrong with being grateful and David Robinson thank God for letting him get so far.You should be thankful so that whatever satisfies continues

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