Comments on: Jerry Sloan and John Stockton Make Surprising HOF Picks http://dimemag.com/2009/09/jerry-sloan-and-john-stockton-make-surprising-hof-picks/ Dime is your daily source for NBA News, NBA Trades, NBA Rumors, NBA Videos and Sneakers Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:13:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Amar http://dimemag.com/2009/09/jerry-sloan-and-john-stockton-make-surprising-hof-picks/comment-page-1/#comment-172926 Amar Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:35:19 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=19009#comment-172926 I don't think I articulated myself well enough, Doc . . . statistically Stock is better. Isiah has the hardware though. I think they are pretty much even in influence to the game as players. People remember things like Isiah vs. the Knicks, in the playoffs -- or Stock's buzzer beaters. Both guys were completely capable of taking control, Isiah has his share of clutch moments, and Stockton could take over as well. (In that game where we shoots the 3 over barkley for the win people overlook his entire 4th quarter for just that one shot -- look at the vids (on youtube), stockton had his own "isiah thomas" type moment in that game) Again, I do not rank one player above the other. (There are ranks based on specific qualities though -- Isiah better at penetrating, Stockton better three point shooter, etc) I don’t think I articulated myself well enough, Doc . . . statistically Stock is better. Isiah has the hardware though. I think they are pretty much even in influence to the game as players.

People remember things like Isiah vs. the Knicks, in the playoffs — or Stock’s buzzer beaters. Both guys were completely capable of taking control, Isiah has his share of clutch moments, and Stockton could take over as well. (In that game where we shoots the 3 over barkley for the win people overlook his entire 4th quarter for just that one shot — look at the vids (on youtube), stockton had his own “isiah thomas” type moment in that game)

Again, I do not rank one player above the other. (There are ranks based on specific qualities though — Isiah better at penetrating, Stockton better three point shooter, etc)

]]> By: doc http://dimemag.com/2009/09/jerry-sloan-and-john-stockton-make-surprising-hof-picks/comment-page-1/#comment-172911 doc Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:57:27 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=19009#comment-172911 @Amar-we know you a Utah homer,but if you say somebody was a better leader,better at asserting himself,and more accomplished at winning...how in the hell is the other guy better? @Amar-we know you a Utah homer,but if you say somebody was a better leader,better at asserting himself,and more accomplished at winning…how in the hell is the other guy better?

]]> By: Chris http://dimemag.com/2009/09/jerry-sloan-and-john-stockton-make-surprising-hof-picks/comment-page-1/#comment-172890 Chris Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:13:31 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=19009#comment-172890 Highly scientific formula, Rico. I suprisingly/ashamedly/actually agree. Highly scientific formula, Rico. I suprisingly/ashamedly/actually agree.

]]> By: SagJism http://dimemag.com/2009/09/jerry-sloan-and-john-stockton-make-surprising-hof-picks/comment-page-1/#comment-172882 SagJism Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:02:48 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=19009#comment-172882 Put you crack pipes down whoever said Stockton is better than Zeke. Yes he may have better stats but as we know from the Kobe LBJ MJ arguments, stats are not the determining factor. Let's be real for all who are old enough to have watch these guys play. DO you really think Stockton is better than Zeke? Do you remember when Zeke found out that he was not going to the Olympics becaise of jordan and then they picked Stockton. Do you remember Zeke basicallyt treating him like a redheaded step child so bad that Karl Malone had to knock him upside his head and get 10 stitches and then Zeke still came back and blasted Stockton. He was ok, not really a HOF'er in my book but he does have the stats but so does Steve Nash and who can he check or win against? Put you crack pipes down whoever said Stockton is better than Zeke. Yes he may have better stats but as we know from the Kobe LBJ MJ arguments, stats are not the determining factor. Let’s be real for all who are old enough to have watch these guys play. DO you really think Stockton is better than Zeke? Do you remember when Zeke found out that he was not going to the Olympics becaise of jordan and then they picked Stockton. Do you remember Zeke basicallyt treating him like a redheaded step child so bad that Karl Malone had to knock him upside his head and get 10 stitches and then Zeke still came back and blasted Stockton. He was ok, not really a HOF’er in my book but he does have the stats but so does Steve Nash and who can he check or win against?

]]> By: Rico http://dimemag.com/2009/09/jerry-sloan-and-john-stockton-make-surprising-hof-picks/comment-page-1/#comment-172854 Rico Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:49:14 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=19009#comment-172854 Stockton was more impressive than Isaiah because he was white. It's harder for a white man to be good in sports than a black man....whites are physically inferior to latinos and blacks.....not being racist, it's just the way it is. Because of that fact Stockton gets the edge. Stockton was more impressive than Isaiah because he was white. It’s harder for a white man to be good in sports than a black man….whites are physically inferior to latinos and blacks…..not being racist, it’s just the way it is. Because of that fact Stockton gets the edge.

]]> By: Amar http://dimemag.com/2009/09/jerry-sloan-and-john-stockton-make-surprising-hof-picks/comment-page-1/#comment-172844 Amar Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:23:30 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=19009#comment-172844 for those who care about stats say, it's hard to call Zeke 'pound for pound' better than Stock. (this is in ref to the poll that's up) I have created a formula for ranking players on offense. It's called the Gestalt Offense (or GO) Rating. The formula is complicated, but involves all the possiblities that you can do on any given offensive play (that there are current stats for, no stats on setting screens right now, or hockey assisting). Jordan is 191.841, Shaq is 150.783, Duncan is 100.811, Chris Mullin is a 87.719, a guy like Ostertag is 12.030, and so forth. Stockton has a GO Rating of 111.897, Zeke has one of 107.862. They are pretty close, but one is a few points ahead. (4.035 -- around the same difference that Hakeem is better than Duncan by) [These stats are based on their career regular season totals] Defensively Stocks statistics are superior. Easily, Stockton is pound for pound better than Thomas (esp. when John weighs less), if you take into account stats. Thomas was a better leader, knew how to assert himself better, and a more accomplished winner. I could not say one was better than the other, they did different things on the court -- but they both did them amazingly. for those who care about stats say, it’s hard to call Zeke ‘pound for pound’ better than Stock. (this is in ref to the poll that’s up) I have created a formula for ranking players on offense. It’s called the Gestalt Offense (or GO) Rating.

The formula is complicated, but involves all the possiblities that you can do on any given offensive play (that there are current stats for, no stats on setting screens right now, or hockey assisting). Jordan is 191.841, Shaq is 150.783, Duncan is 100.811, Chris Mullin is a 87.719, a guy like Ostertag is 12.030, and so forth.

Stockton has a GO Rating of 111.897, Zeke has one of 107.862. They are pretty close, but one is a few points ahead. (4.035 — around the same difference that Hakeem is better than Duncan by) [These stats are based on their career regular season totals]

Defensively Stocks statistics are superior.

Easily, Stockton is pound for pound better than Thomas (esp. when John weighs less), if you take into account stats.

Thomas was a better leader, knew how to assert himself better, and a more accomplished winner.

I could not say one was better than the other, they did different things on the court — but they both did them amazingly.

]]> By: doc http://dimemag.com/2009/09/jerry-sloan-and-john-stockton-make-surprising-hof-picks/comment-page-1/#comment-172818 doc Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:01:42 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=19009#comment-172818 Zeke already in the HOF yall tripping.He just showing respect to another great. Zeke already in the HOF yall tripping.He just showing respect to another great.

]]> By: Chris http://dimemag.com/2009/09/jerry-sloan-and-john-stockton-make-surprising-hof-picks/comment-page-1/#comment-172808 Chris Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:41:48 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=19009#comment-172808 Thomas is carrying Stckton's jock strap into the HOF. Stockton has burned him again. He's sneaky like that. Thomas is carrying Stckton’s jock strap into the HOF. Stockton has burned him again. He’s sneaky like that.

]]> By: moronsallofyou http://dimemag.com/2009/09/jerry-sloan-and-john-stockton-make-surprising-hof-picks/comment-page-1/#comment-172804 moronsallofyou Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:38:00 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=19009#comment-172804 Hey Will, I think you took too many pills like your hero Isiah did when he tried to kill himself. On what planet did Isiah have better stats than stockton? Hey Will, I think you took too many pills like your hero Isiah did when he tried to kill himself. On what planet did Isiah have better stats than stockton?

]]> By: UWEBLAg http://dimemag.com/2009/09/jerry-sloan-and-john-stockton-make-surprising-hof-picks/comment-page-1/#comment-172793 UWEBLAg Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:39:48 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=19009#comment-172793 “We played in an AAU tournament and I has never seen anything like it.” Didn't know stockton could speak ebonics. “We played in an AAU tournament and I has never seen anything like it.”

Didn’t know stockton could speak ebonics.

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