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Smack / Sep 13, 2009 / 4:22 am

Love/Hate for Jordan at the Hall; Iverson helps Memphis immediately

Michael Jordan

Michael Jordan

Two days later, Michael Jordan‘s Hall of Fame speech is still the biggest topic in basketball. And for the most part, the reviews were not positive. Common accusations were that MJ was confrontational, bullying, petty, ungrateful, and that he primarily used his stage to settle old scores. Our take? It’s obvious who amongst the critics have never played sports, or is so far removed from playing that they forgot what it’s like to be competitive. True, Mike didn’t exhibit anything near the vulnerability of, say, Michael Irvin‘s H.O.F. speech, but he wasn’t that bad. You could tell where he was going when he addressed his kids with “I wouldn’t want to be you guys,” but it just didn’t sound good out loud. Otherwise, it was basically Jordan thanking some of the people along the way who motivated him to be the best. Everyone jumps on MJ’s jock for being so competitive and being such a ruthless winner — well, how do you think he got that way? … And if you want to get all technical, Jerry Sloan‘s speech had a couple moments that could’ve been taken as being petty, like when he talked about people who fired him or coaches who didn’t play him. If you ask us, neither speech was bad. But nobody was expecting anything out of Sloan, and Michael is Michael, so he’s the big story … Another upset at the FIBA European Championships yesterday, and another involving the most talented team in the field. Spain losing to Turkey is one thing, but losing to Turkey when Hedo Turkoglu was a non-factor is another. Hedo scored just two points on 1-for-5 shooting and had four turnovers in the game. Turkey won thanks to a team-high 15 points from Ersan Ilyasova (you might recognize him as the ass nailed to Scott Skiles‘ bench in Milwaukee), big men Omar Asik (drafted by the Blazers in ’08) and Semih Erden (Celtics, ’08) giving Pau Gasol all kinds of problems, and Turkey’s guards getting to the lane easily. Gasol had 16 points, nine boards and three blocks for Spain, Rudy Fernandez scored 16, and Ricky Rubio put up three points and three assists … In the other two FIBA Europe games: Nenad Krstic had 18 points and eight boards to lead Serbia over Poland while Marcin Gortat posted 16 and 9 for the losers; and Slovenia smacked Lithuania behind Jaka Lakovic‘s 24 points and six threes … The Memphis Commercial Appeal has a big feature on Allen Iverson today, which included this interesting bit about A.I.’s time in Detroit:

“He went there, and he couldn’t really trust what people had told him,” said Gary Moore, Iverson’s business manager and grade-school football coach. “People in Detroit weren’t very truthful with him.”

According to Moore, Iverson had been told that he would be the leader of the team when he arrived, and that was not what played out. The players were upset that the front office had traded away Chauncey Billups, Moore said. Iverson was persona non grata before he even showed up.

“Allen couldn’t do anything about that,” Moore said. “When you lie to him, that affects him.”

… If that’s true, it may confirm the suspicions of those in the minority about the Iverson/Pistons debacle: That it was more about Joe Dumars and Michael Curry failing A.I. than the other way around … And no surprise here: Since Iverson joined the Grizzlies, ticket sales have shot up. “The last 48 hours it has been our biggest two days of sales since we started here,” a Grizzlies’ official said. The team is giving away free A.I. jerseys to new season ticket buyers, a much smarter strategy than last year, when they gave out the free Rudy Gay joints … Your basketball-related college football Saturday stat lines: Greg Paulus went 14-of-20 for 105 yards, one TD and two INT’s in Syracuse’s 28-7 loss to Penn State; and Javier Arenas racked up 126 yards in kick and punt returns in Alabama’s win over Florida International, including a 46-yarder … We’re out like Spain …

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  • http://smack! JOB33

    sounds like Rubio’s bandwagon is hitting some potholes called the FIBA tourney and flinging passengers out left and right.

  • dh

    i think AI may have a lot of people around him who tell him ‘its not your fault’ all the time.

  • AB_40

    hahaha spain was thinking they could win this thing just by showing up. the field is much closer then I thought it would be… it is great to watch. There is just one problem with the poules where the poule with Lithuania, Spain, Turkey, Serbia, Slovenia and Poland is a lot stronger then the other poule with France, Germany, Greece, Russia, Croatia and sorry ass Macedonia.

    It’s fun to watch but still a little unfair.

    France is the team that plays like an nba team the most Spain is very underwhelming, it is great to see serbia back on a respectable basketball level. maybe that has to do with darko not playing haha

  • BRUCE

    Mike is paying homage to the great obstacles in his life! What is the big deal! It made him a better basketball player and made us fans!

  • chiaki

    @DH

    i’m an AI fan but check these out:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hill/090911&sportCat=nba

    i still believe that AI will have a revenge tour this year..

  • High Release

    Ersan is the Turk Dirk!

    Jordan pushed.

    Iverson carried.

    Sam Perkins is cool.

  • sh!tfaced

    WTF is the bull about MJ’s speech? The man just BLEEDS competition. After all these years and all that he’s accomplished, the hunger in him still hasn’t been satisfied.

    “It’s obvious who amongst the critics have never played sports…”

    Ya got that right… LOL.

  • s.bucketz

    my take on the whole Jordan speech thing…Jordan kept his mouth relatively shut all those years of puttin in work on the world of basketball…i think at his HOF induction hes earned the right to talk a lil shit

  • dagwaller

    Jordan’s speech wasn’t classy. I’ve always been a big fan, but as a fairly humble person (irony), I didn’t like his speech, despite the random humor. That having been said, Dime has a good point – he is who he is. He’s super competitive? That’s going to shine through. He’s not what I expected when it comes to making speeches? Why should he be? The only reason he’s famous is because he’s a professional athlete. Not a professional speech writer.

  • K Dizzle

    @ “Jordan kept his mouth relatively shut all those years of puttin in work on the world of basketball”

    You obviously never saw Mike play. There’s a holy trinity of first team shit talkers : Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Gary Payton

  • …IIIII…

    i don’t think the things jordan said that people are getting worked up over were supposed to be taken as seriously as they have been, its just sports stars aren’t comedians, jokes can come off as digs and harmless comments sometimes sound bitter.

    and free rudy gay jerseys? no wonder no1 bought grizz tickets.

  • http://22455 CJ

    whit allen iverson<<memphis is going to be 3 in west

  • http://22455 CJ

    i think that iverson this year scoring 25.2 ppg

  • DopeyFox

    Everyone here should go to the link on the number 5 post.
    Its completely true. AI doesn’t want to win a championship. Of course he’d like one, but his priority is his EGO.
    The fact that at 34, he can’t accept a reduced role/ coming of the bench is enough evidence.
    Grizzly fans, please don’t believe the rubbish he spins at the press conference, because i did and i feel stupid for it.

  • Lee

    AI missing Christmas practice = great leader of the team.

    Is anyone really supprised he wasn’t the leader ??? You have to earn it by example.

  • Spencers Mom

    “Iverson had been told that he would be the leader of the team when he arrived” “Allen couldn’t do anything about that,” Moore said. “When you lie to him, that affects him.”

    What a little momma’s boy!? Did he really expect that managment could order the other players to recognize him to be a leader? Why is he blaming management and not the players? Employers LIE all the time just ask anyone who works for a living. I think AI is a great player who for whatever reason does not translate into gold at the Olympic or NBA level thus far. If this information is true, Moore did a very poor job representing AI and really just portrayed him as a whiny spoiled brat. I hope none of this is true from Moore’s perspective.

  • Shrink This

    It looks like Mike raided Shane Battier’s closet for that blazer.

  • pipdaddyy

    I watched Turkey-Spain and Rubio was bad, only thing keeping him on the court was the fact that his backup (Raul Lopez) was even worse. In the 4th quarter he penetrated twice and was afraid to finish, turning over the ball on weak passouts. He has a good court sense, but a real shaky outside shot, definitely not ready for a full NBA season right now.

  • That’s whats up

    @4, and the rest of the Jordan/HOF speech critics…

    This was probably MJ’s LAST Big Stage, and he pretty much came across as a dickhead.
    Too bad because a lot of people will remember this speech now, and not the player he was.

  • jzsmoove

    The dude that played A-Con in Dance Flick reminded me of DJ Mbenga the whole time. I cant wait this season how many more posters he plans on being on. And I’m pretty sure someone in the movie looked like Damon Jones (the guy Marlon Wayan put a front smack on) And another that looked like a much darker Gerald Green (beginning of the movie, dancefloor). It could just be me having NBA withdrawals though.

    I’m out like Edward Triggerhands.

  • knock knock

    Lol at some people saying that rubio would have a “breakout” game. I’m telling you, if calderon played for spain, they wouldn’t of missed a beat. Rubio’s DEFENSE is what’s looking shaky right now, more so than his shot. -

  • http://allthatjazzbasketball.blogspot.com/ Amar

    Jordan was Jordan — why are people being upset? It’s not like he was using his money all these years for charity, or influence to do PSAs and stay in school messages. Don’t expect him to change now. He’s first, second and third all about himself. (e.g. tex winter criticism was nothing to him, the ultimate goal was what mattered)

    I felt like Sloan mentioning all the times he was fired, or quit a team, or being a rookie and not playing was not meant to be an “i told you so” type of moment. He’s one of the biggest supporters of the NBA-DL (he actually watches the games live when he can) because he feels like it’s the perfect place for rookies — based on his own understanding of his inability to get into games as one. (Not because of a mean coach, but because he was not ready for it) Being fired was supposed to be juxtapositioned by what he has now — the front office has his back. I don’t think Sloan is the type of guy to say “i’m awesome, and the people who doubted me are wrong”. I think you are reading him incorrectly.

  • jackass

    can we please stop talkin about rubio now??? he doesn’t deserve all this attention y’all.

  • Spliff 2 My Lou

    I think award ceremonies are vastly overrated. And sports HOF induction ceremonies are no exception. The accomplishment is the important thing not what somebody says during their speech. I’ve never watched any HOF induction ceremony in any sport and I’m a die hard sports fan, especially basketball. In my opinion taking stock in what somebody says during an acceptance speech for a HOF is the same as caring what a person says in their acceptance speech for an MTV music award. In the scheme of things it’s all pretty irrelevent.

  • money

    I liked Jordan’s speech, are they all supposed to be humble? How boring. Jordan was honest, he spoke easily and made jokes. It wasn’t inspiring, but it was the truth. I don’t think anybody he talked about would take it personally.

  • King

    Dumars fucked up the whole situation in Detroit. Why sit Hamilton or Iverson when both are better than Stuckey. Stuckey is not a pg and Dumars made a mistake trying to hand over the reigns to him so quick.

  • A-Lid

    There are too many fakes these days, in the media and just in general. I mean people treat Jordan as god, completely biased towards his favor. IF Kobe Bryant had done that speech he would have been kicked out of the hall. The media has gotta grow some balls, and do shit properly, Jordan had the most arrogant and cocky speech in professional sports. DIME didn’t bother writing an article on Vivian Stringer, who had an amazing speech, instead they showed countless amounts of MJ articles. If you guys dont agree, look at this standpoint;

    Alex Rodriguez did steroids, and admitted to it, and now gets booed out of his mind at evry plate appearence. David Ortiz did steroids and people seem to have forgotten about it.

    Reggie Bush is still somehow in the NFL, I think the Saints keep him cuz of the hype he gets.

    Nobody seems to know who Nnamdi Asoughma is

    LeHYPE james can now be considered as the most overrated athlete of all time thanks to the media.

    Fuck media

  • http://www.twitter.com/AustinatDIMEmag Austin Burton

    @King — Agreed. Stuckey’s my guy, but he’s the youngest one in the backcourt, and he’d be the one most willing to go to the bench and accept a Ben Gordon/Randy Foye-type role. It made me think Dumars was acting like Al Davis, insisting that Stuckey be a starter no matter what.

    @Amar — I don’t think Sloan was doing the “I told you so” thing either, but if Jordan is getting grief for mentioning previous slights, what’s the difference? More than anything, though, I was glad C. Vivian Stringer didn’t make a big deal of the Don Imus thing, nor did the tribute video mention it at all.

  • dagwaller

    Completely agree, Amar. Didn’t see anything wrong with Sloan’s speech.

  • twalter

    The speech was fine. He earned the right to say what he wants, when he wants.

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  • http://www.drewleague.com JC

    In re: to the Jordan speech — I was a little surprised at the fact its obvious the speech was not written with the ok from any of the people who obviously have looked out for Jordan’s image throughout the years. I’ve watched Jordan for years as a polished media machine. He generally never put his foot in his mouth in front of a mic, never fumbled over metaphors, or anything like that. Whether the speech was truthful or not, not humble enough or not, it can be agreed that the speech was not very well written (if it even was written). He didnt seem as eloquent as the many clips I’ve seen of him (including the “Come Fly with Me” type videos, etc.)…

    It just kind of put a damper on MY MJ image. I always thought he was well spoken and he was quite good in front of the cameras. Here was not a good outing for him. He could have made his point with a few words changed and no one would trip.

    But as many have said – its his speech at the end of an illustrious playing career, and he can say what he pleases — good or bad.

  • Da_Griff

    Turkey’s always been solid in international ball, just like the Greeks. They don’t need Hedo to score, so long as he facilitates and provides a decoy.

    Looks like it worked.

    Spain is living up to it’s heritage. Can you say “Matador Defense”?

  • http://n/a Heaven is a Playground

    All those critics come from cities that Jordan smashed along his way to championships.

  • Yoooo

    I’ve been saying it for years. Jordan is just as if not MORE arrogant than Kobe man. Kobe just came around in the wrong decade. But if Jordan played today, NOBODY would like him. Dude is kind of a jerk, lol

  • Big Sneezy

    Rubio seems to be playing worse since he got drafted. Kid is talented, but young. It’s probably for the best that he stayed in Spain.

  • MadSammyboy

    Watch Robinsons’s speech, then watch Jordan’s. What a contrast.

    Jordan is by far the better player, but Robinson is the better person. He understands that basketball is not life; for Jordan, it’s all he has in terms of self-identity, which is tragic. Best player to ever play, but beyond that, kind of empty.

  • wanabballer

    Lets hope AI like Barkley gets a career ending injury in Philly… where it all started…

  • http://uoregon.edu sans

    All I remember about Mike’s speech is Bryon Russel telling him if he ever saw him in shorts again, he’d shut him down. John Stockton remembers it, I think Mike did too on his last push-off/amazing game winner.

    And no one will remember this five years from now. Just like his Wizards days—dust in the fn wind.

  • ponky_alolor

    MJ’s speech wasn’t the classiest out there but it captured what he stands for – – competition and the unrelenting drive to win. He was a prick, but a candid prick during his speech.

    well if you also want to be balanced about it, he also pointed out during one of the HOF interviews that he’s not comfortable being called the GOAT since he didn’t play against Jerry West etc. Some humility here.

    MJ’s intro HOF video gave me chills. All those highlights brought back some good memories on why I got hooked on basketball.

  • http://n/a Heaven is a Playground

    @36. You think basketball is all Jordan had? Dude mentioned his entire family and what they have accomplished during their lives, now apply my words to how much of an impact a Mike Jordan could have had if he did not lace them up? This question is based on his competitiveness. You see, if he went to another profession, (yes I said profession because MJ mastered the game of basketbal in every aspect of the game) he would have done whatever it took to get to the top, so be thankful for where you are at. Anyway, can you master every aspect of the game? yeah I thought so, so let MJ be competitive and arrogant, MJ hasn’t been this arrogant since his 1st and 2nd year, so let the man fly.

  • http://n/a Heaven is a Playground

    In other words, the man self-identified, he is your airness, the man who got you on dimemag to talk a litte smack.

  • MadSammyboy

    “@36. You think basketball is all Jordan had? Dude mentioned his entire family and what they have accomplished during their lives, now apply my words to how much of an impact a Mike Jordan could have had if he did not lace them up? This question is based on his competitiveness. You see, if he went to another profession, (yes I said profession because MJ mastered the game of basketbal in every aspect of the game) he would have done whatever it took to get to the top, so be thankful for where you are at. Anyway, can you master every aspect of the game? yeah I thought so, so let MJ be competitive and arrogant, MJ hasn’t been this arrogant since his 1st and 2nd year, so let the man fly.”

    There are so many things wrong with your reasoning process, I doubt I can get to all of them, so let me just say:

    – Arrogance is NEVER a virtue- just because somebody CAN be arrogant doesn’t mean they SHOULD be arrogant;

    – A competitive drive, in itself, is fine, but what we’ve seen from MJ, particularly in the last fifteen years, is an indicator that being ‘the best’ is what defines his self image. This is a tragic and broken way for anyone to function;

    – No, I cannot master every aspect of basketball, which is why I’m not a professional ballplayer. Does that make me a less worthwhile person? If you answered ‘yes’, you should be concerned about your mental health;

    – if you answered ‘no’ to the above question, then let me ask you a follow-up question: does Jordan’s status as the best ballplayer make him MORE worthwhile as a person? Once again, I hope you answered ‘no';

    – If you DID answer ‘no’, then let me ask you one final question: if Jordan’s status as the best ballplayer doesn’t make him more worthwhile than anyone else, then why does it give him the right to arrogance, which we’ve already established is a bad character trait, not a good one.

  • Yucca Man

    Jordan’s speech was awful.

    It was a 46-year-old legend who still can’t let go of any little slight that may have happened along the way. He spent more time ripping on Jeff Van Gundy, Bryon Russell, Jerry Krausse, and even Tex Winter than thanking anyone. It’s especially bad when you consider all the work Krausse and Winter put in to make Jordan and the Bulls champs. It was bullying. A basketball god still getting thrills by stomping on people who won’t ever sniff the Hall of Fame.

    And comparing Sloan’s speech to Jordan’s is disgusting. When Sloan spoke about not starting as a rookie, he said he wasn’t ready and that it gave him a chance to learn what pro ball was all about. When Jordan spoke about not making the varsity high school team, he ridicules the guy who made it in instead and announces that the coach made a ridiculous mistake. He calls out college teammates and makes sure we all know that he was better than them then, that he’s better than them now, and that he’s never gotten over it.

    It was pathetic. But then Jordan, despite his talents, has always been kind of a prick, so it’s not like anything changed.

    And to all those who say Jordan had the right to say what he said, and that he’s just competitive so let it slide: it makes me sad. I’ve played sports with guys who were competitive, talented dicks and I’ve also played with guys who were competitive, talented decent guys. What we saw in the speech wasn’t competitiveness. It was a dick who thinks that the only way to be competitive is to be a jerk.

  • http://n/a Heaven is a Playground

    42 and 43, you’re idiots.

  • Yucca Man

    @Heaven is a Playground

    You’re probably right.

    Heaven help idiots like MadSammyBoy and I.

  • http://luckylester.com luckylester

    I think what the people that didn’t like Mike’s speech are saying, in different words, is this:

    “Before the speech, Michael was perfect in my mind. His commercials and the way I never got to know him because he kept his personality concealed, at least off the floor. I understand that he was a killer on the court, one of the baddest, deadliest, give it all and more, toughest, most competitive SOBs out there, but I don’t like that he showed all those aspects in regular life during that speech. Yes, I want him to be different than he was on the court. I want him to be cuddly, caring, apologetic, humble, and most of all, respectful of all the people that screwed him over at different points during his ascent to the top – despite the fact that he used every single ounce of disrespect to become what he was as a player. I want him to be two different people – just like I want every athlete to be two different people – the player, the person. Mike’s live speaking performance wasn’t anything like the domination he exuded throughout his career. I don’t care that he was an athlete, not a public speaker: the guy always going for the jugular, not the metaphoric genius aiming for the greater message. I don’t care that his commercials were written by gatorade and not himself. I want Mike to be a poet, a gentleman, as well as that end-game-elite-win-at-all-costs-GOAT he was during his time in the league – and I want it all to be done with the utmost respect and class. I wish he would have just shut up, said thanks for everything from everyone, thanks for giving me the chance, I’m out! That would have been better.”

    Give me a damn break.

    I didn’t love the speech, but I surely didn’t hate it. I appreciated Mike being himself. What I saw talking on Friday was the same guy I saw killing everything in his path on the floor. I don’t give a shit if anyone liked the speech or not, but asking for him to be a commercial or an Space Jam trailer is a joke. Ask for somebody to be real. Mike wasn’t supposed to be Gandhi – he was never David Robinson – he was the first and only Michael Jordan. I’m just happy that I was lucky enough to see the most competitive and hardest working cat play ball, and suck me into the game he owned.

  • http://luckylester.com luckylester

    yucca man,

    I feel really bad for Krause – I think Mike has plenty of reason to say whatever he wants about that donkey in a man suit. He said Tex Winter was impossible to please, always pushing him, finding ways he could be more perfect, he didn’t hate on him – if anything, he respected that. He described that Bryon’s “get back in the game and I’ll shut you down” was something he used as motivation to come back. Jeff Van Gundy was part of a joke. You know, humor. Was some of what Jordan did bullying? You bet, but the guy was a bully, that’s how he became what he was.

    “What we saw in the speech wasn’t competitiveness. It was a dick who thinks that the only way to be competitive is to be a jerk.”

    What you saw in the speech was how you become the greatest player of all time – how many guys that you played with can you say that about? I’m really competitive, and I hate losing, and anyone who plays with me knows that I’m there to win – and I’m not a jerk or a bully, but then again, I’m just a normal really competitive guy, no Michael Air Jordan.

    I think it’s hard for you to put it into any real kind of perspective.

  • MadSammyboy

    @ Yucca man- great post. You said what I was trying to say.

    @ Heaven is a playground- your reversion to childish insults, instead of actually responding to the points Yucca and I made, speaks volumes about your intellectual maturity. Way to go.

  • Colton

    am i the only person on the planet that thoroughly enjoyed mj’s speech? … really … it was pretty good. it was no obamas inaugural speech … no chills or anything. but i thought it was funny. just all the cuts to scottie pippen laughing made me happy. haha. it was good. the building the fire that got him there. i thought it was good. and if i was leroy smith … id be ok with taking jordans spot in high school once. who can say they have done that at any other point in life. i just find it funny that anyone really had a problem with it.

  • Colton

    p.s. i want to read more of your petty arguments about how mj is a bad person for being arrogant. its basketball … its a game. basketball is a mental game … and his mental mindset was to carry that chip on his shoulder to prove the doubt in anyones mind that he couldnt succceed to that godly basketball status. By working on that jumper and getting stronger and taking it hard at you night in and night out to prove he was better. if you find that petty and you dont understand that mindset … you dont understand the competitive nature of sports. some people have a drive and an engine that never quits. some dont. some are born with athleticism by genetics and some have to work for it. the man gave his life to the sport and i have the utmost respect for that.

    p.s.s. great quote by him:

    “Never Say Never, because LIMITS, like FEARS, are often just an illusion”

    and now … im out.

  • m

    dude don’t compare sloan to mj. sloan’s speech was humility personified. when he talked about coaches that didn’t play him, he followed that up with “i wasn’t ready to play.” the two speeches were worlds apart.

  • MadSammyboy

    “p.s. i want to read more of your petty arguments about how mj is a bad person for being arrogant. its basketball … its a game. basketball is a mental game … and his mental mindset was to carry that chip on his shoulder to prove the doubt in anyones mind that he couldnt succceed to that godly basketball status. By working on that jumper and getting stronger and taking it hard at you night in and night out to prove he was better. if you find that petty and you dont understand that mindset … you dont understand the competitive nature of sports. some people have a drive and an engine that never quits. some dont. some are born with athleticism by genetics and some have to work for it. the man gave his life to the sport and i have the utmost respect for that.”

    Right, this is a common response from those who interpret comments like mine as attacks against MJ- “Some people are just wired to win all the time”; “He gave his all to become the greatest”; “You don’t understand the will of a competitor”; and so on, and so on.

    What you have to understand is that there’s a place for that sense of feirce competition, whether in athletics or any other discipline- speaking at an induction ceremony is not the place for that. The fact that MJ isn’t able to separate his persona as a dominant ballplayer from his disposition in interacting with others when he’s NOT on the court speaks volumes about the degree to which he has let his greatness as a ballplayer define his total self-image. It’s a tragedy- in that respect, he’s a victim of western culture’s disproportionate emphasis on the ‘greatness’ of things like athletic excellence.

    Listen, there’s no question- NO question- that MJ is the greatest player in the game’s history- that his will and discipline to win are unparalleled by anyone. But- and here’s the key to understanding the problem- BASKETBALL IS ONLY A GAME. It’s a great game, an entertaining game, a wonderful part of our culture and all the rest of it… but it’s only a game, and only the shallow and bereft-of-vision allow themselves to be so defined. When I talk about being defined by something, I’m not talking about what a person is most famous for. MJ has given millions and millions of dollars to various charitable organizations over the past two decades, and those deeds are infinitely greater than anything he’s ever done in a basketball uniform. I’m also not saying that his basketball accomplishments are literally the only thing he has to gauge his value by. But what I AM saying is that the HOF speech betrayed a man who is so driven to compete that he can’t let go of the fact that he’s not ‘on the mountaintop’ where he once was- it’s the same syndrome that causes former jocks to revel in their past glory instead of pressing onward to new things. It betrays an internal dysfunction whereby the individual defines himself primarily on the basis of how completely he can ascend above his competition. When that competitive instinct reveals itself away from the environment where it’s effective- in MJ’s case, on the basketball court- it ceases to be a virtue, and instead becomes a vice.

    Look, I can’t begin to imagine how difficult it is to be MJ- to constantly be scrutinized, worshiped, hated, questioned, analyzed, and always to be defined by temporal accomplishments that are, in some cases, nearly more than twenty years old. But based on that speech, and the recent press I’ve seen (particularly the ’60 Minutes’ interview from earlier this year), MJ has fallen into the trap of letting his temporal greatness in an ultimately unimportant kid’s game define him. That’s tragic.

    Sorry for the long post.

  • EN FUEGO

    blah blah blah…………..

  • MSkittle

    I think Jordan should have been more gracious and given more thanks to his teammates during the speech..

    Usually, he seems to say the right thing. But during the speech, it was like, “I am Michael Jordan, I can say what I want.”

  • BiG ShoT BoB

    @MadSammyboy…What are even talking about. If your a competitive person that’s just who you are. It’s going to show no matter where you are. Let’s face it basketball is not everything but it was to him and the only reason he was giving a speach in the first place is because it’s the BASKETBALL hall of fame. YOu want a guy to start talking about all the humanitarian things he’s done throughout his life at a basketball forum…don’t nobody want to hear that cheezy shit. I loved his speech he talked about all the fuel that added to his fire and how he kicked everyones ass which is exactly what happened and what MJ is known for.

    Your saying he should be sad because all he has is being known as the greatest basketball player ever? WTF I know people who had amazing highschool sports career’s and still talk about it. Why because it was the greatest time in their life and the most significant to them.

  • MadSammyboy

    @BiG ShoT BoB:

    “…the only reason he was giving a speach in the first place is because it’s the BASKETBALL hall of fame. YOu want a guy to start talking about all the humanitarian things he’s done throughout his life at a basketball forum…”

    No,I wanted him to carry himself with some humility and perspective, in order to demonstrate that being a great BALLPLAYER is NOT more important than being a great PERSON- to take the high road. We all know he has more right than anyone to brag about his greatness; it would have been nice to see him NOT do it.

    “…I loved his speech he talked about all the fuel that added to his fire and how he kicked everyones ass…”

    Well, that’s what it’s all about, isn’t it? Kicking everyone’s ass?

    “Your saying he should be sad because all he has is being known as the greatest basketball player ever? WTF I know people who had amazing highschool sports career’s and still talk about it. Why because it was the greatest time in their life and the most significant to them.”

    No, I’m not saying he should be sad- I’m saying that it IS sad, that as a man who’s almost fifty years old, he still draws his greatest sense of self-worth from the fact that he used to be able to beat a lot of people at a kid’s game. As for peoples’ high school sports careers being the greatest times in their lives… well, I don’t know what to say, except that that’s just heartbreaking. Here’s a tip: if you’re not living a life where almost every day is better than the day before it, you’re doing it wrong. If all I had as the ‘greatest time in (my) life’ was high-school memories, how truly sad would that be for me?

  • SagJism

    WTF are you poeple talking about MJ was being MJ and the speech was great, I remember all the things he talked about and he didnt even Diss my boy Zeke, all he said was, IDK if the rumors were true about the diss in the all start game but hopefully those guys felt he now belonged and that is true. at the time, magic and bird were not happy about MJ and niether was most people i nthe league and because they made the jordan rules and probably a little jealous that MJ seemed to jump over Zekes prestige, he felt slighted and that motivated him. But he always said that thur his career. I thought the speech was great and I thought he did a great job.

  • SagJism

    @46, thank you, I could nothave put in in words better than that. You must be the true baller on this site.

  • SagJism

    @49, No, and yes, that is the comment of the future “””Never Say Never, because LIMITS, like FEARS, are often just an illusion””

  • SagJism

    @52, keep the long posts to yourself until you get in the HOF, until then STFU

  • SagJism

    @56 and yet here you are commenting about someone else’s life with a paragraph big as the empire state building. How bout you get a life and go do whatever it is you do and let us basketball players and fans enjoy what our B-ball heores have to say regardless if you like it or not.

  • MadSammyboy

    “@56 and yet here you are commenting about someone else’s life with a paragraph big as the empire state building. How bout you get a life and go do whatever it is you do and let us basketball players and fans enjoy what our B-ball heores have to say regardless if you like it or not.”

    Wow. Your post is a monument to stupidity. Let’s break it down:

    “a paragraph big as the empire state building” That’s the worst simile I’ve ever read. You slept through lit & comp, didn’t you?

    “How bout you get a life and go do whatever it is you do”

    I already have a life, but I’d be fascinated to hear your definition of what a life is. I’m sure it includes really awesome activities like writing poorly articulated responses to other peoples’ thoughts on Michael Jordan’s speech.
    In any case, ‘what I do’ is discuss topics that are interesting to me. You evidently feel I shouldn’t do that because I don’t agree with you. Nice going, fascist.

    “let us basketball players and fans enjoy what our B-ball heores have to say regardless if you like it or not”

    You want me to LET you enjoy something? I’m pretty sure I can’t STOP you from enjoying it. Did my comment somehow negate your ability to do what you want to do?

    In summary: you’re an idiot. Carry on.

  • Promoman

    I don’t think Jordan’s speech was as bad as advertised. People say he was petty when he was talking, but how petty is it to have pro players pull a freezeout in a game as meaningless as the ASG? That’s shit you see pussies who either can’t play or who’re just plain selfish do at the park, Y, rec league. Everybody knows Isiah’s a fucking snake anyway. It’s no surprise that MJ would say something about Krause. They’ve been beefing for years. Bryon Russell set himself up by seeking Jordan out and talking shit.

  • MadSammyboy

    “I don’t think Jordan’s speech was as bad as advertised. People say he was petty when he was talking, but how petty is it to have pro players pull a freezeout in a game as meaningless as the ASG? That’s shit you see pussies who either can’t play or who’re just plain selfish do at the park, Y, rec league. Everybody knows Isiah’s a fucking snake anyway. It’s no surprise that MJ would say something about Krause. They’ve been beefing for years. Bryon Russell set himself up by seeking Jordan out and talking shit.”

    1.) Citing the petty actions of other players doesn’t excuse Jordan’s speech as somehow LESS petty. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    2.) Russell called Jordan out after the speech.

  • O-man

    After all these years, Jordan still seems to be fueled by negative energy.

    Sad. He needs a hug.