Smack / Oct 9, 2009 / 2:51 am

Nuggets get locked up abroad; Shaq says ’10 Cavs > ’00-02 Lakers

Carmelo Anthony (photo. Mannion)

Carmelo Anthony (photo. Mannion)

Principal D-Stern had to have been pleased with his product yesterday, as two of the NBA’s three preseason games took place outside the United States. In Taiwan, the Pacers blew out the Nuggets: Troy Murphy put up 20 points with four threes, and Brandon Rush (20 pts) knocked down six triples, but the real story was Roy Hibbert. The kid was a BEAST, going for 20 points, 11 boards and eight blocks. Granted, Nene being out meant Denver started Johan Petro at center, but he only played 10 minutes before Birdman and K-Mart assumed most of the duties inside. It’s just preseason, but in the Nuggets‘ two games against NBA teams (they smashed a team of kids from Belgrade), they haven’t looked good at all … Carmelo scored 17 and J.R. Smith added 16. Smith is wearing #5 this season, FYI … T.J. Ford was all over the place with six points, 10 dimes, four steals and six turnovers, while backup A.J. Price scored 16. Have to admit, we didn’t see Price as an NBA player for most of his career at UConn, not really until that epic six-overtime game against Syracuse when he went toe-to-toe with Jonny Flynn … In Spain, the Jazz 20-pieced Real Madrid. Paul Millsap led the way with 20 points (9-10 FG) off the bench, while Carlos Boozer scored 14 in 20 minutes and Deron Williams had 16 points and five assists … Madrid was led by ex-Michigan star Louis Bullock, who scored 18 but somehow only had one three. Remember when Bullock was in college? He was a three-point machine, like a poor man’s Curtis Staples. Madrid also had Jorge Garbajosa and Cheick Samb … Speaking of UM, Chris Webber was doing color commentary at the announce table for NBA TV. (Well, more like he was in the announcer’s studio. You could tell it was one of those cases where the network didn’t want to spend money flying announcers to Europe when they could just watch the game on TV and tell us about it.) As usual, C-Webb was pretty funny. One time when the cameras showed Darryl Dawkins in the crowd rocking a hideous/amazing yellow suit, Webber busted out laughing for about a minute, then said, “I forgot what I was saying. I don’t know if the NBA will be allowed back here after that.” … In the one game from this continent, the Bobcats beat the Hornets in what was supposed to be a homecoming for Chris Paul in Greensboro, North Carolina. CP put up 24 points and six dimes in the loss, and rookie Marcus Thornton scored 19 for the Hornets. D.J. Augustin led the ‘Cats with 22 points (16-18 FT) and three steals. Emeka Okafor and Tyson Chandler both sat out with injuries … Pistons rookie Jonas Jerebko (one game) and Miami senior citizen Jamaal Magloire (two games) drew suspensions from their fight the other day that will go into effect when the regular season starts. No problem for Jerebko; he probably would’ve logged a DNP in his first game anyway. This one’s not even worth the “Who would win in a real fight?” conversation … You knew Shaq would go about his regular practice of burning bridges and overzealously talking up his new team/teammates at some point, but doing it before the regular season even starts was a surprise. In a recent interview, Shaq said the Cavs are, “Probably the best team I’ve ever played on, on paper anyway. I’ve always been on management to get me the power forward I’ve needed and the shooters I’ve needed.” … And then Mike Brown threw in his two cents: “When the big fella talks, you have to listen because he’s been around a long time and his resume speaks for itself. He’s been on a lot of teams. If he says that, it’s something that has to be heard.” … OK, so apparently the 2000, 2001 and 2002 Lakers couldn’t compare to LeBron‘s current group, and Shaq also forgot he played with Horace Grant in Orlando, Udonis Haslem in Miami and, oh yeah, AMAR’E STOUDEMIRE in Phoenix. (Wasn’t it Shaq who said he was gonna make Amar’e the best PF in the NBA?) And shooters? Dennis Scott and Robert Horry might have something to say about that … We’re out like Curtis Staples …

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  • KB24

    1st. Shaq talks to dam much.

  • secret

    i love shaq but sometimes …

  • BRUCE

    Lebron is a SF not a PF. Lebron is built like a PF but does not play the PF. Anderson Vagina is your PF.

    Dime

    That 7-Feet Tall, 300 plus pounds MONKEY forgot to mention he played briefly with Worm.

    Sure some can label Worm as a SF but he is always a PF in my book. Worm versus The Mailman!

  • BRUCE

    Translation to Mike Brown quote — I will suck your dick!

  • Big Sia

    Lebron alone makes it close …. but yall musta forgot Shaq is a joker.. always will be

  • L

    LMAO nice one bruce

  • Atom

    Really Grimace? Just because Shaq says something, it has to be heard? Shaq is a clown, precisely because he says something it is the best reason to completely ignore it.

    And I agree with Bruce, when did Lebron turn into a power forward? Thats side-show bob’s job. But no need to bring the worm into the discussion. By the time he was on the Lakers he was so strung out he was barely better than Varajao is now.

  • Atom

    And Dime, nice fake-out. With a heading like “Nuggets get locked up abroad” I was sure that J.R. Smith and Mello were sitting in a holding cell in Taiwan somewhere

  • Steffen

    McRoberts had a nice dunk. Again!

    p.s.

    Dunk of the Year (so far):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRDXyjzy2ak

  • Kobeef

    Shaq is that kid who failed a couple of grades and seems cool and interesting when you are in 7th grade.

    By the time 12th grade comes along, everyone else is moving on with life and that dude is still trying the moves that worked in 7th grade, cause it’s all he’s got.

    You listen to him to be nice, but you really couldn’t give a shit if you ever saw him again.

  • fLaVa

    Karl Malone??

    Dman shaq talks wayyyy too much smack.. dang

  • banga

    Shaq can say whatever he wants… When LA face the CAVS and Kobe goes off and LeBron is exposed for not being Clutch we’ll see what Shaq has to say then…

  • ERIC

    During the Laker’s run from 2000-2002… Shaq and Kobe were arguably the #1 and #2 best players in the entire league. And they had championship, battle tested, playoff-proven vets like Horace Grant, Ron Harper, Robert Horry.

    Shaq always likes to talk up whatever current team he is on and usually bash his past team, coach or star-player.

    LeBron is either #1 or #2 in the league depends on who u ask, and the Cavs do not have another top 10 player on their team.

    Besides the Kobe/Lebron factor which may or may not cancel each other out.. the Lakers were far superior than this Cavs squad.

  • http://twitter.com/PoppiGEE POPPI GEE

    Shaq know he lying lol.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qtOTBQcbiM&feature=related rodnets

    Mike Brown sucks…Lebron and Shaq…

  • TooBigN-daPaint

    Pacers man-handled the Nuggets for most of the game. Their ‘cocky smiles’ left their cocky faces when they realized these PACERS ain’t NO pushovers like last year’s team which fielded 2-3 white players who played the most minutes waiting for Hibbert and Rush to develop an NBA game. Well, the waiting is over!! Hibbert had a 20-11-8 game and Rush had a similiar stat-stuffer game but the real story is the young NBA veterans that Larry Legend signed over the summer. No longer will NBA teams take advantage of the Pacers by fielding 5 athletic players to cut into our leads or win close games in the fourth quarter. Our stable of quarter horses are gonna extend LEADs all year and blow out alot of NBA teams this year. Add Pyscho-T and Dun Dun (when he’s healthy) to the mix and you’re gonna have a Pacer team unseen since the ABA days….go pacers!!!

  • John

    Shaq is right, you guys are wrong. If the Lakers of 2000 were without him they wouldnt advanced to the playoffs maybe. The Heat without him would have lost to the Pistons, and the Cavs without him already advanced to the Finals ,,, So on paper the other 11 guys are better than the other 11 guys that he played in the past, thats what he’s trying to say.

  • Kermit The Washington

    Do the Cavs have the stupid-light schedule that they had last year? Ah, doesn’t matter. The Wizards will have their number.

  • http://twitter.com/PoppiGEE POPPI GEE

    You know come to think of it I think some time ago I said that Roy Hibbert was possibly going to be a problem this year. Now look.

    …Then again I may have said that Roy Hibbert is possibly the problem lol. Ha Ha.

    Anyway if Houston was smart they would have went after dude to fill Yao spot and be a decent back-up instead of 1-11 Ariza.

    Dang I hope Ariza can do better than that wow! Pre-season too?? Wow!

  • Ian

    john
    i wasnt going to post till i read your comment you are right people dont understand what he was sayin.
    what were the lakers before he joined? what did the heat do before him? and now he joins a team that made it to the conference finals.

    now do i think this is the best team with him overall hell no the threepeat lakers were better but if take shaq out of the threepeat lakers the 06 heat and the 10 cavs then my friend this is the best team by far.

    eric
    shaq and kobe were both top 5 players during that time but 1 and 2 belonged to shaq and td back then.

  • jayslay

    shaq says this stuff all the time he didnt mean it he jus said it to b funny…u cant say take him off th teams bcuz the teams were built around him…so having said thatim not sure this cavs team that doesnt have the same roster as when it went to the finals is better than the 01 lakers team that went 15-1

  • John

    At 19 Ian –

    Thats exactly what I thought when I first read. In 2000 and 2001 playoffs Shaq average 30 ptos, 15 reb , 3 assist, 2.5 blocks , 43 minutes and 56%FG with 2 players guarding him without the ball and 3 when the ball was with him. You take him out of that team and the Cavs would beat them 8 times out of 10.

  • jayslay

    @ john

    u cant take shaq off that team but if u did with the way kobe plays do u really think the cavs would beat them? this was the time kobe was shooting EVERYTHING… and they still had the better coach dont 4get about that

  • Dagomar

    jayslay: have you seen the way Lebron plays?

  • John

    Jayslay –

    Are you saying that the 2000 Kobe Bryant (21 ptos, 4 reb, assist, 44%FG) was better than the 2009/2010 Lebron James ?????? You must be into some serious stuffs

  • Ian

    jayslay
    the cavs destroy those lakers teams without shaq. the 00-02 lakers without shaq are barely a first round team dont forget about that.
    btw yes u can take shaq of the teams because hes talking about the team HE has been on do u think he goes o i can play with prime shaq by my 37 year old self?? or some weird back to the future shit.

  • Taj

    Mike Brown needs to take Shaq’s comments for a grain of salt.. This will be the same Shaq that will call him out for not getting him enough touches in the post as well as his lack of offensive knowledge!

  • http://dime fan

    Earl Watson is tough individual. His game is terrible though. TJ Ford has all star talent. Eric Maynor is going to be very very good. Deron Williams is the Best PG in the N.B.A. He does what he wants. He is Baron Davis healthy and with a winning team. Not fair. I love Chris Paul game. Overall Deron is scary. He has no weakness. He might not be mean enough. If he had the Gilbert mentality. He could avg a triple double like the big O. He scores 30+ and 15+ assists within a system. I don’t think you guys know how hard that is. He’s not even the teams 1st option. He defers so much its crazy. He could be a better defender. He’s no slouch though. He also has 40 inch vertical and is 100% healthy this yr. If he doesn’t make the all-star game this yr. I’m going on the TYRA banks show. LMAO.

  • bballinca

    Shaq also had Glen Rice in LA

  • knock knock

    NUMBER UNO: If the lebron-led cavs almost got shut out by the magic in the conf. finals, then lebron has no chance to even take out the 01 sixers squad. I mean, seriuosly?? Lebron got beat by a 6’ll no defense playing, 41% shooter in Hedo and a backup pg (alston).

    Lebron also averaged around 20ft per game, as in a new nba record. Too bad most of them were charges. – My two cents

  • http://dime fan

    I was thinking the other day. If you substitut Melo with Wade or Lebron. I think the Nuggets would win the chip. If you put Melo on the Heat I think they’d be worst. Is that a testament to his position or work ethic. What has Melo developed in his game since he’s been in the league. He’s a great scorer that I give him but what else does he do. He holds the ball. Doesn’t rebound,defend,make winning plays consistently. I’m still a fan but you have to get better sir. Lebron and Wade are steadily improving something. Play the season like you played games 1 & 2 and your a top 5 player in the league not scorer. Scoring points everyone does. It doesn’t win games. There’s no excuse for you not to win and be better than last yr. Except for Anthony Carter who’s OVER the hill. Lawson isn’t ready either. Steve Blake would be ideal back in the building.

  • Ian

    knock knoc
    maybe the 01 sixers win who knows (hell no worst team ever to make the finals on the weak ass west) but maybe they beat the 01 lakers without shaq.

    fan
    i dont have a problem u callin williams the best pg in the league (my pick is parker of course) but dont mess it up by comparing him to baron davis. a healthy baron davis is still a below avg shooter that can kill your team any given game.

  • http://dime fan

    Ian… You don’t get but it’s cool. Your opinion. He tore his Knee 3 or more times. Some people don’t come back from 1 injury. Did you ever watch him at UCLA or in New Orleans. The Golden State thing was just a bleep on his map. Arguably one of the most talented guards to ever play the game. Put him on the Spurs or Cavs know they win a chip. Ask players and other critics who don’t judge last yr on the clips. Why do you think they’re even considered dangerous. Why do you think the Mavs aren’t the same. Why do you think Golden State is at the bottom of the map. He should have came to NY instead of Steph.

  • douglas copeland

    ian your hatred for the Lakers has officially made you the most ignorant dime blogger ever.2000-2002 lakers that three-peated wouldn’t have even been a first round playoff team with out shaq….ridiculous Kobe won some of those games while shaq was benched due to foul trouble…The Cavs now aren’t even better than the 2009 Lakers…evidence…4th ring for Kobe on his way to the 5th…Ian come to the reality that your Spurs team filled with retirees are “rebuilding” and stop misplacing your anger.John your obviously hanging with Ian,those teams without Shaq and just Kobe no doubt would have beat brons teams,Kobe is proven,Bron has so much to prove even at this date even GMS & coaches in the L believe that about him according to the 2009-2010
    survey that was taken,please review the whole site http://www.nba.com/news/features/gmsurvey.misc/index.html

  • LakeShow84

    @ Ian

    Take Duncan out of all your teams and the same can be said for all your chips.. You guys sitting up here acting like the 00-03 Lakers is the only team that WOULDNT be a chip team if you took off their most dominant presence.. Goes both ways haters.. Take Dwade off the 06 Heat and do they beat the Mavs?? Take Kobe off those teams you think they win it all?? What has Shaq won without a HOF wingman neway?? SQUAT AND a Finals sweeping at the hands of the greatest.. On paper dont mean shit.. Chargers is great on paper lol

    You guys is ill now.. Now we talkin what if Shaq wasnt on those teams they couldnt of beat who?? GTFOH lol

    It must almost be season time cuz niggaz is talkin that same shit them bitchez do..

  • Mellmeister

    dude… Shaq’s just being shaq…

    he hypes up his team more than the usual…
    well, they should get their facts straight…

    Shaq played with might as well, the best power forward to play the game in Karl Malone. and yes, BRUCE is right,
    LeBron has a body of a power forward but has the speed of a point guard and the agility of shooting guard/small forward. but still LBJ is a SF.

    I’m not a Laker Fan, but that group they had back in their championship runs from ’00 – ’02 is one of the best assembled teams ever.

    So just let the former “Big Aristotle” to “The Big Pile of Trash” to smack…

    I can say, Shaq has the Best Player in the NBA to play alongside with. ‘coz the Cavaliers wouldn’t make the Playoffs without LeBron James(let’s admit that everything relies on his shoulders), unlike Kobe’s team the Lakers that they can make it without him… not a championship but the playoffs is foreseen… :)

  • LakeShow84

    Ill tell you something Lebron and Shaq have in common.. As hyped as they both have been in the early careers to be the BEST and GREATEST of all time in their positions, possibly ever period, they both got they asses handed to them in they Finals appearances..

    Swept in the first Finals appearances to be exact.. And now they find each other.. like i said LAKERS FAN WILL ORGASM if they make it to the Finals.. Bustin Shaq AND Lebron at once?? There is no way we would get that lucky.. Boston will handle them..

  • douglas copeland

    Mellmeister Lebron isn’t the best player in the L, the reason why kobes team would make atleast to the playoffs without him is because Kobe has instilled that killer instinct in his team, something bron hasn’t done,brons favorite player is still Kobe and even he still thinks kobe is the best player in the L along with D.Wade,along with Obama,along with Shaq and the list goes on.Kobes team being what they are has everything to do with the confidence they have playing on a team with a guy who will not lose,thats why GMs and coaches vote him as one of the best team leaders in the league and guess what?Lebron was no where to be found GMS and coaches don’t think he’s a good team leader please refer to the survey
    http://www.nba.com/news/features/gmsurvey.misc/index.html
    Kobe does what all yall said he couldnt do this past season and yall still disrespecting with this bron is the best player stuff….get a clue..bron hasn’t done anything…he can’t hold a candle to Kobe…there comparisons are a disgrace when you line up Kobe’s body of work with dude,whats this dudes 7th year in the league and he’s just now playing defense,by Kobe 7th year in the L he had been on 4 or 5 all-nba defensive teams,all nba teams,Bron has one MVP and a gold medal that he won because of Kobe…please refer back to the debacle he,carmello,d.wade had losing to Greece before the killer Kobe came to the olympics and bossed up.

  • douglas copeland

    Great point Lakeshow!Bron did get swept and so did fat shaq.Kobe atleast won two games in his first finals appearance by himself.Both of those cats are 60% game 40% hype…but Bron really has a lot to prove if he wants to take the crown from Kobe I don’t even think dude is better than dwayne wade much less kobe.

  • K Dizzle

    @ Lakeshow – Good post(post 35)

    LMAO at Bron, Varejao, Mo and Delonte……sorry, AP bein as good “on paper” as even
    GP, Kobe, George and the Mailman. I didn’t wanna put George, but he at least as good as Parker or Moon.
    For real tho, this Cavs team ain’t even as good as
    Nick, Penny, Horace and Dennis…
    Shaq always entertains

  • Mellmeister

    @38 douglas copeland…

    Dude… i said Best Player… didn’t say Best Team Leader… :) stats wise you have to go to LeBron…

    “Lebron was no where to be found GMS and coaches don’t think he’s a good team leader please refer to the survey
    http://www.nba.com/news/features/gmsurvey.misc/index.html
    1″

    I think Dime covered that and i’m not sure if it’s Narciso or Philips who published it… but, the only thing that didn’t go LeBron’s Way was “who would you hand the ball with the game on the line?”.

    And That Year LeBron, D.Wade, Melo took home bronze in the olympics… they didn’t get much playing time. basketball is a team sport… and those 3 were catalysts as well…

  • douglas copeland

    Mellmeister again that where your wrong that’s not the only thing kobe got the nod over bron, he got the obvious things like most athletic,mvp,but he wasn’t mentioned in any of the defensive categories and kobe was mentioned in all of them and he was still included in all the offensive categories,best shooting gaurd,best player with game on the line,better team leader…do you really understand that????lebron didn’t get no votes man???This is what you bron zombies have sold him so tough on for so long over Kobe”he’s a better leader than kobe Yap,yap,yap”and the coaches and GMs didn’t give him not even one vote in this category (Kobe was 2nd in this categor).How are you supposedly the best player in the L and credited for being this great team guy and you don’t get one vote for that.lol.freakin fantastic.And “oh he’s a better defender than kobe now yap,yap,yap”no votes in those categories either.It says a lot.Stats?this key is a ball dominator he brings the ball up the court he always has the ball in his hand, Kobe has a point gaurd that he relies on to get him the ball in the post or on the wing,he operates in a system not in sheer and utter chaoss like bron which was so evident when they got punkd by the magic in the conf.finals and a team we practically swept in the nba finals.This is everyones knock on bron to he can’t operate in a system Jordan has said it, Phil has said it,it’s a known fact.

  • doc

    The Nuggets havent looked good?Its the fucking preseason.Nobody gives a shit who wins or loses.And how would you see Price NBA talent when he had brain problems then was suspended for stealing.And if you take Kobe and Shaq off them laker teams they’re really not shit.Whats the starting 5 D Fish,George,Fox,Grant,and who?Did they even have a backup center.They had old washed up vets and a young gunning ass Kobe and a in his prime unguardable Shaq.Bron of now would kill 24 year old Kobe who weighed 190 pounds.Laker Shaq would kill Cav Shaq and thats the only difference.@douglass-Give Bron Pau and he would’ve won twicw too.Lets not jump on Kobes nuts that hard.His team would go to the playoffs without him because he gave them killer instinct?lol.They would still make it because they got a fucking squad besides him.They missed playoff seasons while Kobe was in his 35 ppg prime.Everybody on Mailman and GP’s nuts musta forgot they got trashed in 5 games by Detroit.Who cares if they both lost their first finals.We just had 1000 bullshit comments last month calling Stock better than Zeke and he aint win shit from 20 to 40.If you gonna hate be consisitent with it.

  • LakeShow84

    @ Mellmeister – its friday so im going to spar with ya lol..

    Dwade had better stats than damn near everyone last year and Chris Paul had the best stats the year before that.. Were those two ever really mentioned as being the best player in the L the past two years?? Now if you want to talk stats yeah you can go with Lebron but dont act like everytime time Lebron shares ANY court with Lebron everyone KNOWS who the better player is..

    People dont realize it but when those 2 play each other they HOPE Lebron gets the better of Kobe but that really stems from the fact that we all know Kobe is at the top and all the kobe haters want Kobe off his perch..

    And i agree with Doug.. Lebron couldnt/wouldnt crunch those stats in a real system.. dude touches the ball on EVERY SINGLE Cavs possession.. im surprised they dont get back court violations trying to get him the ball.. oh yeah he always walks it up too lol

  • Jaytea

    #16 you racist mother focker. Fielded 2-3 white guys? I guess that being white must just equal, can’t play. Ask Gary Payton about a white guy when White Chocolate left him standing there with that stupid look on his face. John Stockton ring any bells? How bout pistol Pete, Jerry West, Kurt Rambis, Larry Bird, the Barry boys. Take your tired old racist crap and go away.

  • LakeShow84

    @ DOC

    Technically Bron had a older Pau in Ilkauskas when he first got there but Z has gotten old real fast.. look at them both.. Both got off hand hooks.. Both can pop out for the J and both avg around 8-9 boards and both soft on D.. and what happened to soft ass Pau who was a puss just 2 years ago?? now all of a sudden he so hard he would get MisterMissedFT’s over the hump??

    And this Lebron now would kill All Defensive First team Kobe?? i dunno know about that.. Tenacity and competetiveness is what drives real defenders.. i doubt Kobe would care about the weight difference.. Plus Lebron is allergic to the post so it aint like he using his weight..

    And in 06 when Kobe avg those numbers we did make the playoffs.. we almost upset the Suns.. But KWAME FELL FOR THE FRICKING PUMP FAKE.. GOOD GOD MAN EVERYONE KNEW THEY NEEDED A 3 TO TIE!!!!

    Sorry.. flashback..

  • LakeShow84

    @ Jaytea

    Call me crazy.. but your white huh lol

  • SagJism

    #4 Holy shit, you made me spit my coffe thru my nosew with that one LOL.

  • douglas copeland

    Doc you’re wildin man?give bron Pau?and you got two cats that pass too much and don’t have the heart to take over games when it needs to be done.Listen man, Kobe is a born killer he’s not being cultivated into a killer on the court he was wired that way soon as he got in the L which is the same reason yall called him a gunner and ball hog as a youth, Kobe always had confidence and was never scared of the moment which made him who he is today.Bron is being sculpted into that Bron would pass the ball to damon jones to shoot the game winning shot,he was scared of the moment and don’t give me that he’s a better team player i’ll take Bron with 2 dudes on him over Damon Jones wide open.Bron wasn’t killn kobe at anytime in his career,even at 190lbs 80lbs of that was heart Kobe has always had will and superb skill that will always put him ahead of bron.Bron didn’t start playing a little defense til this year his 7th year in?and you say he’d do what to Kobe?by kobes 7th year he was on 3 or 4 all nba defensive teams and thats putting it nicely.you sound salty doc.I tried to fall back on you a little because you played ball at Rhode Island and kinda sounded like you knew what you were talking about but now you sounding extra salty that kobe won it this year fall back partna…and lay off the red bull snapper

  • doc

    First of all.Big Z never was on Pau level.To even insinuate that is crazy as fuck.And if Im not mistaken,winning 2 games dont take you over no hump.You just won 2 instead of none and yeah the puss Pau good enough for that.And you know what I meant Kobe aint make the playoffs in “prime years” when he already was supposed to have that so called killer instinct.And yeah Im talking All D Kobe getting 30 put on his head.I seen it happen by way worse players than Bron.I doubt Kobe would care about weight difference also.But caring and getting pummeled is 2 different things.And please with the excuses for Kobe.Kwame Brown my ass because everytime the Cavs lose you know who gets the blame…Dont tell me the Suns beat yall because of Kwame.

  • douglas copeland

    very good point lakeshow blog#46,who is gassin these haters, yall you can’t kill my high, kobe just won the ship yall said he couldn’t win without ship and he’s on his way to a 5th.

  • douglas copeland

    yall are loaded with excuses for Bron…do you guys understand they got dominated by the magic and we dang near swept the team that dominated them.

  • doc

    Douglass u never heard me say half of that bs you spitting.Hell yeah give bron Pau and he wins 2 games,how is that hard to contemplate?We just seen Pau give Dwight Howard the biz.Act stupid if you want.If you read my shit I already know Kobe a killer on the court and all that bullshit.But without good ass bigs he never did shit.So to act like he can win with himself and 10 journeymen when we seen the no playoof years and first round exits is crazy.What was he 26-28.And he was taking first round losses.Where’d the all D go after Shaq left?Not hating just stating facts.He was going all out on D because he couldnt go all out on o yet because of the diesel.Once it was time for him to shine alone,all D was a afterthought.

  • douglas copeland

    doc what are you talking about to date Pau has been an allstar 2 times i believer and Ilgauska has been an allstar once.Pau has gotten better because Kobe,Kobe infused that kill in him by bustin dude up in practice and he put him on a bigger stage to show case his skills.Doc you making a lot of excuses for bron.

  • doc

    I aint making excuses for dude.Kobe of now is better than Bron of now.But if Kobe averaged 38 8 8 and lost you LA dudes would be making excuses like yall did when Pierce outplayed him in a CHIP.Anytime LA lost everybody got the blame EXCEPT Kobe.But yall fast to throw all Bron team problems on him.I just keep it real.When people go overboard I go the other way.You must not know me because I never DONT give Kobe his props I just aint no dickhead about it.

  • douglas copeland

    Pau give D.Howard biz???man that was because kobe spreading dudes out he commands so much attention, Bron would clog up the lane, they had no respect for his jumper as they shouldn’t, you can’t leave kobe open anywhere on the floor,theres quite a difference,please stop with the what if’s,it aint gonna happen and I don’t believe bron could’ve even beat the magic last year with Pau.Kobe is always the deciding factor.

  • doc

    Pau was a franchise player on 50 win teams before Kobe.You tripping dog.Who gives a shit how many all star teams they made.D-Will aint been there yet.Thats irrelevant regarding whos the better player.And if you looking at that to judge something then I cant debate that.

  • doc

    I wasnt even talking about the Magic.You reading my post wrong.

  • douglas copeland

    Doc no one ever wins a ship by themself get that out of your mind little homie and pass it along.

  • doc

    Kobe aint have shit to do with Pau dicking Dwight in the post.U funny as shit.

  • douglas copeland

    “Pau was a franchise player on 50 win teams before Kobe”that fantastic DOC,pau was never a franchise player although you and the grizzlies obviously donned him as such, that’s why he came to a team with a true franchise player.50 wins & franchise player but never won a playoff game before he came to L.A?Ocho Cinco told me to tell you “child please”

  • douglas copeland

    doc you probably watched the highlights D.Howard had his eyes on Kobe the whole series, he never was just focused on defending Pau,which is y pau was able to get off,kobe was cooking they front line D.Howard had his head on a swivel everytime kobe had the ball..catch up man.

  • doc

    When I say franchise player,I mean the STAR on a PLAYOFF team.Yeah they lost to the Spurs.That means he’s not a star?Losing to a damn dynasty.Obviously you one of them dudes with Kobe blinders on who dont know shit about the game.I aint even bash Kobe but you so defensive like I said he garbage or something.Read what I wrote when you mature and you will learn true b-ball knowledge from a cat thats in the game.Im not in the league but I balled with all of them.Kobe included.So excuse me in thinking I know about this shit here.

  • douglas copeland

    there about 3-4 franchise players in the L,D-Wade,Kobe,Bron,D-Howard that’s it boss

  • douglas copeland

    aah I knew it was coming sooner or later when all your arguements fail and you realize your losing the debate throw the”.Obviously you one of them dudes with Kobe blinders on who dont know shit about the game”out there because you realize you aint making no sense and than a soft back pedal in the form of “I aint even bash Kobe but you so defensive like I said he garbage or something”if that wasn’t bashing Kobe I don’t know what is bashing kobe.I’ll take that as the white flag doc.That remind of Bron zombie saying his favorite player is Kobe right before he bashes him and shows you the alleged “stats”as to why Bron is a better player than kobe.I liken it to the mafia kiss before death…both you and i know that’s bogus.

  • douglas copeland

    Kobe obviously dirtied you and didn’t shake your hand after the game…Bron obviously disrespected and shook your hand and signed your little nephews ball after the game…obviously you went with bron because he embarassed you and hugged you…kobe embarrassed you and left.

  • doc

    So if thats the only franchise players in the league that should be the last men standing every year.Thats the top 4 but not the only 4.And you do got Kobe blinders on.Im bashing him by saying take him and Shaq off them Lakers and Cavs might be better.Or that I like 24 year old Bron over 24 year old Kobe.Thats bashing?Thats just telling it like it is.You just got so much of a hard on for Kobe Bean you cant take somebody else not dickriding.Bottomline is until the Lakeshow got a bomb squad Kobe was taking losses.Nothng wrong with it.He just aint superhuman and was getting his ass kicked.Face facts.

  • doc

    Kobe actually was a big part of why I got my tryout in LA.But I aint gonna lie and say he never stunk the court up for it.

  • LakeShow84

    Come on DOC

    If Lebron is as good as advertised the man couldnt bust loose for ONE game on the biggest stage?!!? lol thats an excuse in itself.. “well you guys won 2 so whats the difference?” The difference is a sweep and a loss.. Series sweep is a kick in the nads and a series loss is a kick in the stomach.. tell me which one you want??

    AND YES WE DID LOSE BECAUSE OF KWAME.. we might’ve had two chances to finish it but they were already supremely talented over us @ all positions except the 2, you cant give no Cobra two more chances to bite you after you already caught him slipping thrice.. Smush and Kwame as our startin 1 & 5?? Eric Snow and Big Z would kill those two.. And we STILL made the playoffs in the WEST..

    everytime the Cavs lose i hear its because after 7 years Lebron STILL aint got no team.. But when they was tearing shit up it was “they finally got a STRONG supporting cast around him” but then INSTANTLY in the ECF it switched right back to he aint got no team.. Never mind the fact he misses crunch FT’s and is too predictable in the end game..

    Kobe airballs his 3 attempts and AIRBALL is splattered on all the headlines in the papers.. Lebron misses his 3 attempts and his supporting cast is garbage.. who takes what blame??

  • doc

    Bottomline what Im saying is Kobe is better than Bron right now we all know this.But to disregard Bron losses as all his fault then in the same post say Kwame Brown or some other bum the reason LA lost is bullshit.And if you cant still see it.Them blinders big as fuck.

  • douglas copeland

    blog#67 that’s just telling it like you see it Doc,that’s obviously not how it is

  • doc

    Man Kobe was 18 when he shot them airballs he wasnt even on the level he on now.And regardless if you win 2 games or none its the same asswhipping.You think Orlando felt good this year.I dont remember no LA fans gloating about at least they beat Beantown twicw.Cut it out.E Snow and Big Z.Come on man.Smush and Kwame aint shit either but yall making my point for me.Keep giving dude excuses while the other dude gets none.

  • douglas copeland

    you feel me lakeshow 84, aint no love for what this cat is doing and tons of excuses for bron not getting it done.

  • doc

    Look at this doug-Yall haters said Kobe couldnt win a chip and he on his way to a fifth?Who said that?You putting Kobe putdowns in your own head.Pau gave Dwight the biz because Kobe was out there?That goes both way pimping.The best way for a ballhandler to go crazy is to have a big that has to be guarded.Example.Shaq standing in the way as Wade averages 65.If Bron cant win with a dominant big.He’s not all world like he thinks.And he got one now.So no excuses for either this year.

  • doc

    Read all that shit again and put where i bash Kobe.I dont see it.And put where I made excuses for either one of them.

  • doc

    Thats why lakeshow aint cosigning that bs u spitting.He know I give props to those who deserve them.I aint said shit outta pocket yet.

  • LakeShow84

    I would like 24 year old Lebron over 24 year old JUST for the stats.. Playa wise ima take Kobe..

    But if Lebron was in the 00-03 triangle would he drop those same #’s?? If 24 year old Lebron played with Shaq, Fisher, Richmond, Fox and Horry would he still get all those touches?? Nah cuz the triangle is a post players offense with lots of backside cuts and movement.. and to point it out he damn sure wouldnt be attempting game winners.. But amongst that same Shaq led team who was entrusted in the clutch??

    A young 24 year old killer.. and we want KILLERS!! Not divas.. and when its all said and done for what he has accomplished so far AND the way he acts/is treated he is a diva..

  • FUCK PACERS

    Seriously, you gunzelfucks running off at the mouth about a preseason game is kinda funny. You won a game that denver obviously didnt give a shit about. Good for you! I wouldn’t be surprised if pacers get the shaft next game. Nuggets will shape up now, and if not they’ll lose in the regular season.

  • doc

    If 24 year old Bron played with a young Shaq he would have to take a backseat just like Kobe did Lakeshow.And Rick Fox woulda been somewhere else and they would have Harper,Eddie Jones,Bron,Whoever,and Shaq.I still see them winning 3 chips.That diva mentality come from being the man on a team from the jump.And he IS a diva.But Kobe is too man.Lets not act like he aint or wasnt even more of one at 24.Which is the reason why he aint looking for his 9th chip or some shit like that.

  • LakeShow84

    OK DOC

    you right we’ll see what happens this year cuz this is a make or break year for the man childs legacy.. If he dont do it with Shaq in the East he aint as billed (even though u know what i think lol)

    Its just annoying how every year Cleveland HAS to jump hoops for Lebron to simply resign with a team who has made him co-mayor.. What about continuity amongst teammates?? what about gelling?? dudes team is a revolving door cuz everyone afraid of wheres hes going in 3-4 years.. WACK and he should stop that shit himself.. usually teams DEVELOPE All Stars.. Anyone even heard of Manu before he busted on the championship seen??

  • douglas copeland

    y are you speaking for lakeshow doc? and again your wrong Kobe aint no ball handler don’t you listen Kobe even said it himself he’s a post player, kobe don’t bring the ball up the floor thats your boy bron doing that when he’s an allstar gaurd in mo williams.

  • Ian

    LOL @ douglas
    i remember i few articles back that doc said something that u liked and u were all i take docs opinion because he plays ball now you are tryin to defend all your ignorant shit. its nice how again u bring up the spurs which have nothing to do with the article. you said that the lakers were better than a first round team without shaq?? what happened to them when he left fool a first round team.

    kobe without gasol lead his team to the first round gasol without kobe lead his team to the first round. you are one weird lunatic sayin the reason pau played howard like that was because of kobe you are one crazy fuck sir.

    you and apparently now lakeshow need to join the derek zoolander Center For Children Who Cant Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good too. shaq is joining a conference finals team and if one of u think the 00-02 lakers without shaq were a conference finals team u r crazy.

    kdizzle
    wrong as hell mailman and gp were on the 04 team so please fix that
    its fisher kobe george horry
    vs a conference finals cleveland sqyuad.

    fan
    so if i trade parker for davis the spurs get better like u said its your opinion but good luck with that one.

  • Ian

    posts 63 and 67 perfect and ill give another big lol to the killer instinct that only works when he has a good team around him.

  • Ian

    douglas u need to come up with something new everytime we talk about something here u always come up with ians bitter because the spurs are done. does that even make sense? no. do the spurs pay me? no. do i live between duncans nuts like u do kobe? no.

    you are one little weird person.

  • K Dizzle

    @ Ian

    you lost me
    Shaq played with Kobe, GP, George and Mailman. That team was better than Cleveland’s ’10 squad. What did you want me to fix?

  • Ian

    “Dont hate on the GMs now yall was just taking they talk as gospel yesterday.Yall funny as shit.Half of these dudes get fired every year.Learn the game and figure shit out yallselves like real students of this game.And Al Jeff gets the most out of less.”

    one of the best posts ive read in a while because there is someone here that likes to suck the gms cock everytime they mention kobe is the best at something.

  • Ian

    i meant that is not the threepeat squad they didnt even win we cant consider that team to be the best shaqs been on. besides mailman and gp werent half as good anymore.

  • LakeShow84

    @ Ian

    I bet my lunch money that 00-02 Lakers squad without would make it to the ECF if they had to play the 09 Pistons and 09 Hawks..

    You guys seriously acting like that Cavs team did something besides look good against garbage teams.. What was their record against the elite??

    rrriiiiiigggghhhhhtttttt.. ima go back to the Derek Zoolander Center For Children Who Cant Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good too.. lol

  • LakeShow84

    I bet my lunch money that 00-02 Lakers squad without Shaq that is lol

  • Ian

    dizzle we dont need to imagine things look at what happened before and after shaq in la land same with miami he nows joins a team that got to the finals and ecfs.

  • Ian

    lakeshow im not sayin u r wrong its just my pick dont tell me its not arguable? i have to go with the team with the best player and to me 09 bron > 02 kobe. big z is better than your second best player whoever that is.

    well that zoolander thing was more for your friend hehehe like i said before if im the only one thinking that then fine im crazy but there are posts here thinking the samething.

    50 bucks douglas mentions the spurs again if he reads all this.

  • Ian

    we cant go well if my team had played x team from a diff year we woulda made the finals thats kinda bs and u know it. the year the cavs made the finals they beat one hell of a pistons team now that u got me thinking about it it was the same pistons that destroyed the 04 lakers. see we cant do that crap.

  • Ian

    td , cp , williams are also franchise players.

  • K Dizzle

    @ Ian

    you read my post wrong. What I’m sayin is that Shaq’s 04 Lakers squad that DIDN’T win the championship is better than Shaq’s ’10 Cavs team that hasn’t played a game together yet….on paper

    I’d like to add Melo, Durant, Al Jefferson and Amare as franchise dudes

  • LakeShow84

    @ Ian

    First off lowblow for mentioning the end of 04 lol and it was a MOTIVATED Pistons squad that BEAT our 04 Lakers in which we had a fat out of shape Shaq with a broken down Malone and no confidence having Glove.. Shit cue the Wizard of Oz skit.. How the hell does Ben Wallace outplay Shaq again?? YEAH..

    The Cavs got they hands on an UNMOTIVATED Pistons squad that didnt even double Lebron when he went nuts in that last game.. go figure.. i still dont think they realize Tayshaun cant guard Lebron lol..

    And in light of “we dont need to imagine things look at what happened before and after shaq in la land”, look at the roster turnover from Shaq leaving.. WE LOST EVERYONE not just Shaq.. Fisher, Horry, Malone, Payton, Rush, shit even Medvendenko i think lol.. AND we got Odom and Butler!? who good now but back then couldnt hold a candle to Shaq’s presence..

    Plus the ONLY year we didnt make the playoffs (the following year to Shaq leaving) Kobe missed 20-30 games.. compliments of that markass Varejao..

  • LakeShow84

    Come to think of it Butler and Odom STILL cant hold a candle to Shaq IMO..

  • LakeShow84

    OOOOOOO we almost @ a 100 posts of healthy arguement ya’all!!

    The good ol days lol

  • Ian

    hahahaha so MOTIVATED makes it all better? one of the biggest upsets ever imo. like i said its debatable not crazy like mr douglas made it sound.

    dizzle well i dont know man if we go by names then yes that team was better but those players werent the same.

    what about orlando? penny,nick,scott,grant that team was good.

    lakeshow give me your fuckin xbox id my zangief needs something to 360 btw i got both live and 2k in case u wanna destroy me i cant play for shit basketball games im more tiger woods. (dark plizken) my id

  • Ian

    caron is way better than shaq and odom now.

  • douglas copeland

    ian crawl back under the rock you came from did you think I was saying DOC never wrong because I said i agreed with a couple of his opinions on a couple of different blog forums?come on ian i hope your smarter than that.

  • Ian

    douglas stop being so pathetic

  • douglas copeland

    ian if your always bitter about the lakers and kobe winning you tell me who needs to come up with something new? Your a bitter loser boss, you see the demise of your idol-TD and his spurs and it’s at the hands of the team and player you hate most,the lakers and kobe, as evidenced in all your blogs past to present.

  • Ian

    and no u didnt say that u were “well he plays basketball so he knows more than all you u” same stuff u speak about dudes that praise kobe im the one tellin you to decide shit for yourself grow up.

  • Ian

    the demise of my idol? u think im a pathetic person like u IDOL?? a dude that plays basketball my idol gtfoh. we all know how u r all up on kobes nuts if u read my posts like u said u do ull realize that my fav player (not idol u loser) retired after the 03 season. i dont give a fuck about td personally i just want the spurs to win games, you are almost 40 prob and have a basketball player as your idol.

  • douglas copeland

    so did you take that as me sayic doc was GOD backwards?come on ian.

  • douglas copeland

    come now ian,i’m almost 40?did you think that because I sound more educated than you when I speak?your making alot of assumptions I’m 30 if you must know but what does that have to do with anything.I’m a laker fan and kobe plays for the lakers so i’m a fan of his.

  • LakeShow84

    If Caron was better he’d been made a name for himself out in the East.. and tough juice dont touch The King, The Truth, The Mamba.. Shit even Dwade sounds Total Recallish lol

    But if he couldnt get past Lebron in the playoffs at least hold your own.. i aint heard of too many shootouts between those 2 in the 20-40 times they met in the playoffs.. Butler is a GREAT player but what Shaq brings to the table far outweighs Butlers skills..

    SDiamondS84.. add me now if u want.. i think i might need to get 2K10 too.. demo was clean and the commercial sold me alone lol but me woopin DOC’s Sixers or your Spurs make me want to drop the scratch..

  • Ian

    listen why dont u just relax why do u get so damn defensive with kobe if u know u r right then lets u ignorant fans have our fun and we avoid all this useless crap.

  • Ian

    really u think i said u were 40 because u sounded smart??? really u think that lol. u r 30 now so that means that in 10 years ull be less ignorant.

  • Ian

    lakeshow damn i didnt say he was better than pierce kobe bron or wade but caron imo is the best player on the wizards. if bron wouldnt be allowed to take three steps to the basket and if arenas wasnt the biggest ballhog in the nba they have a chance vs cleveland.

    hes better than shaq now and talks less shit but then again who doesnt.

  • douglas copeland

    alright Ian you take care now sir,10 minutes with normal people blogging obviously isn’t enough time to undo 30 years of whatever has been going on in your head besides, I’ve let you slide 5 blog forum topics with out you paying me for the psycological evaluations i’ve done essentially everytime your in this blog forum…therefore,i must discontinue my services Ian…it’s time to pay up you head case…woooh saaaah,woooh saaah,take up a pilates or yoga class my dude.

  • Ian

    eh ok??? that prob made sense in your head.

  • douglas copeland

    that made sense in everyones heads but your ian? you’ve gotta get those other voices in your head to quiet down when a real live person is talking to you, i’m sure there making it impossible for your to hear people.lol…do you see dead people too ian?

  • Ian

    “lol…do you see dead people too ian?”
    you found that funny? Wow the most pathetic 30 year old ever.

  • douglas copeland

    great comeback ian…i’m out little mad guy

  • doc

    @ian-Some cant have a healthy debate about Kobe.He got Die Hard fans if I ever seen them.mike aint get that much support.@lakeshow-U must be crazy if you think I play with the Sixers.Im a fan and its my hometown but damn,Im trying to compete too bro.I aint a ass Im picking Cleveland for that game and we can go.

  • doc

    or the Spurs ,Denver,Orlando or Beantown.

  • K Dizzle

    @ Ian
    “what about orlando? penny,nick,scott,grant that team was good”

    see post 40