Comments on: Spy vs. Spy

By: eyes

eyes — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 03:47:25 +0000

All those all stars Steve Nash played with were because of him. If defense was his only flaw he’s still elite. Put him on the Cavs or Hawks or Blazers u have finals maybe chips. Chris Paul & Deron’s games are based solely on Nash exploits. He’s been amazing since Santa Clara. His career #’s are due to him having to wait his turn when the league was truly amazing. He’s still currently the best offensive & passing Pg in the league. It’s not his fault he won back 2 back P’s. The jazz would have been better wth nash. He’s better than kidd,stockton,A.I.,glove,jwill. I think he’s close to top 5 ever& the closest to mimic Zeke & Cousy& Maravich. C.Paul doesn’t play defense by the way.

By: Bron42 aka Had Springs before Slamball

Bron42 aka Had Springs before Slamball — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 01:31:41 +0000

right now cp3 is more of a game changer than nash a) because he actually plays defense while nash can’t guard half the dime staff memebers b)hes more of a basketball icon at this point (yes it count, which is why lebron is who he is without winning a ring), C)both of them have the ability to take over games that nash really doesnt for the most part. nash takin over the game is him running down and pulling 3s. D) both of them took crap ass teams and built them up….nash has been surrounded by allstars his whole career and has been to what, one conference final? he hasnt even been to a final, so thats the hump i’m talking about. E) since people keep doin the what if…if you put either cp3 or melo in nash’s system, their numbers would double. Cp3 already puts up better numbers with a bunch of bums and 7 seconds or less just pumps peoples stats. Hell look at how suddenly david lee is a allstar level stat guy when you put up a million shots and rebounds. Nash is like the kurt warner of the nba. people let a few good years with the suns, where he still never went to the finals, and wanna call him a top 5 pg all time.

By: tp

tp — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 01:20:35 +0000

get his team over WHAT hump? then why are melo and cp3 elite? what have they done that nash hasnt? im not a nash fan, dont get me wrong.. i’m just being realistic here. all i am saying is that you can’t put those guys there if u dont put nash there

By: Bron42 aka Had Springs before Slamball

Bron42 aka Had Springs before Slamball — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:10:21 +0000

And people need to stop with the Nash excuses… You don’t see people goin ” o if horry didn’t hit that shot webber would have a chip” etc.. Point is one foul by horry and flop by Nash doesn’t make a series plus that was one year. Dude has never been to the finals his whole career. So to say if that one play didn’t happen he would have a chip is premature like his team would of just walked away easy other then that. He’s always been a exciting player and a GREAT floor leader but never one to carry a team alone which is why no one barely knew his name as a masv and he stunk when porter tried to make him play defense outside of d’antonis system. And no granger isn’t there yet. Johnson does more and his team improved.

By: Bron42 aka Had Springs before Slamball

Bron42 aka Had Springs before Slamball — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:05:33 +0000

@chi, I wasn’t sayin pippen sucked or anything bit plain and simple he wasn’t mike. 2 different levels. Pippen carried the bulls when mike left but he wasn’t winning anything alone and no one really expected him to. Dude is a top 50 player but was secon fiddle. Same with sheed, had the talent to be a Duncan type big man but on teams where he was the star, it was too much weight on his shoulders. In Detroit he was the missin piece cuz he wasn’t asked to do everything. Its like Dwight and bosh. Is bosh more polished than Dwight in offense enough to be elite?he’ll yea but no one is drafting bosh ahead of Dwight cuz Dwight is an elite game changer while bosh is a smooth big man..

Also Nash isn’t elite cuz he’s one dimensional and could NEVER get his team over the hump. Still a supersta but again he’s not elite to me since I have never watched him and gone “wow he might be the best player in the NBA”

By: tp

tp — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:16:15 +0000

im too lazy to come up with these lists, but i dont see how you can’t put nash on the elite class.. take away the robert horry hip check and he’ll have a chip and no one would even second guess it.
and i hate the suns.

another random thought, if you put joe johnson or bosh on the third tier, then you have to put granger there too right?

By: johnsacrimoni

johnsacrimoni — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:59:37 +0000

Elite: LeBron, Kobe, Wade, Duncan, Dirk
Close to Elite: CP3, D-Will, Melo, Howard, KD, Gasol, Nash
3rd Tier: Roy, Bosh, Billups, Parker, Johnson

By: spock

spock — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:48:54 +0000

love for the rockets

By: spock

spock — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:45:04 +0000

come on some love for Scal? that dude has at least heart…

regarding elite? how can you say Nash and timmy is not elite?

any team facing the suns and spurs would set their defenses against those former mvp’s…

nash and td would just destroy it if you let them go off

By: tp

tp — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:39:35 +0000

can the blazers fans stop crying? and can they stop acting like they’re oh so resilient winning with all of their injuries? god.

two words: houston rockets.