NBA Trade Rumor: Chris Bosh To The Bulls
Make no mistake, there is no chance that Chris Bosh re-signs with Toronto this summer. Sure the Raptors can offer the seven-year vet more money than any other suitor, and there is the off chance that he decides to wait one more year and cash in on his $17 million player option, but let’s be honest: Chris Bosh wants out.
Just like Vince Carter, CB4 is looking for the quickest way out of T-Dot. And it was around this time of year (December 17, 2004 to be exact), that the Raptors sent him packing to New Jersey for Eric Williams, Aaron Williams, Alonzo Mourning and two first-round draft picks. Not exactly market value.
But that’s exactly the type of deal that Toronto is talking to Chicago about. The rumored trade right now is that the Bulls would send Kirk Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas and draft picks to the Raptors in exchange for Bosh. (And don’t worry, it works in the NBA Trade Machine and under the collective bargaining agreement.
While Andrew Wamboldt from DaBullz.com thinks “this would be the biggest steal in NBA trade history,” I think this makes sense. If the Raptors are positive that Bosh is going to leave, they’re going to deal him before the deadline. But if they think there’s a chance that he exercises his contract to stay around another year, then they’ll most likely rest on their laurels.
Because the Raptors really got nothing back in return for Vince, General Manager Rob Babcock at the time made an argument that could apply to this current deal.
“This trade accomplishes a number of things that will help us now and in the future,” expressed Babcock. “In Aaron and Eric Williams we are acquiring two character players who are tough, defensive-minded players. They will improve our defense and rebounding, and they fit the philosophy that we’re establishing in Toronto. The first round picks set us up well for the future. This trade gives us some financial flexibility now and in the future.”
Although Hinrich and Thomas are not All-Stars, they do fit that role. And although Hinrich is on the hook for another two years and $17 million, Thomas comes off the books this summer.
While Wamboldt is skeptical of whether or not the Raptors would be down for that deal, he proposes a trade that would send Brad Miller, Joakim Noah and the Bulls’ first round pick to the Raptors for Bosh. I like this trade too, as Miller’s $12 million comes off the books this summer, and Noah is a steal at just over $3 million next season. He could be a nice young complement to Andrea Bargnani and Hedo Turkoglu down low, providing a rebounder that allows them to dominate the ball.
What do you think? Would you make this deal?
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January 8th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
POPPI GEE says:
Smart move on both ends, plus we need some trades happening, so lets approve it and make it happen and send them on.
Bring on the next trade!
January 8th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
TIP says:
“Make no mistake, there is no chance that Chris Bosh re-signs with Toronto this summer.”
FAIL.
January 8th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Spliff 2 My Lou says:
I’m be ok with either. Make it happen!
January 8th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Spliff 2 My Lou says:
Sorry, the idea of my Bulls getting Bosh was so exciting my first comment didn’t even make sense.
January 8th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Prof. TX says:
This would be a good deal for the Bulls.
Biggest steal ever? I think Pau and Kwame would have something to say about that.
January 8th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
Aron Phillips says:
@TIP
You think he re-signs? Why would he want to stay when every other team wants him?
January 8th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Jer says:
That would be a terrible trade for Toronto. Terrible.
First and foremost, with the way the Raptors are playing now there is a strong chance Chris Bosh will sign in Toronto.
Secondly, the Raptors would never trade for an expiring Thomas. They’d essential get Hinrich and draft picks in exchange for Bosh.
Thirdly, the Vince Carter trade was one of the worst in the NBA. Why would you suggest they’d do a simular trade?
January 8th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Chicagorilla says:
Wait, We(the Bulls) give up Thomas and Hinrich, who we can easily re-sign when their contract expirers, in order to get back Bosh, who were probably don’t have a chance of signing this summer. so now we have less talent to attract free agents and more money to throw at people who dont want to come here (Wade, Bron, Bosh, JJ, Rudy). This would be stupid for the Bulls. Plus Bosh is a jump shooter and doesn’t bang enough in the post. We already got bigs who don’t bang in the post (which is what we need) so Bosh doesn’t really help the bulls out.
I wouldn’t do it… which means the Bulls management are probably going to pull the trigger on this deal ASAP. They’ll probably give up way more than they have to. Cause that’s how they get down. Sweet home Chicago.
January 8th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
TIP says:
Aron, your assertion that there’s 0% chance of him re-signing is what i’m talking about. You might call me a homer, but i’ve seen enough and read enough to know that it’s not that clear-cut. Here’s the thing: Bosh wants to be the No.1 option on whatever team it is. I’ll look for that interview he did with Doug Smith of the Toronto Star where he basically explained that it’s either the Raptors, or a contender…where he’ll be the No.1 guy. In other words, why would he leave the Raptors to join another middling team when he could just stay put. Just like the Raps, teams like Miami and Chi-town aren’t going anywhere soon. And I have a hard time seeing him on teams like Boston, Cleveland and Orlando…and teams like LA, Dallas, Denver where he’ll be playing second-fiddle.
January 8th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
911 says:
Bosh loves Toronto…that’s why he’d stay. He has tons of friends, business partners in the area, will get a bigger contract there than anywhere else (30 million more).
– Toronto has a better team right now than Chi-town.
– The weather in Chicago is no better than T.O.
– The Raptors are starting to gel now
– The Raps have their assets locked up for a number of years
– He has stated that he wants to be on a team where he can be “the man”. That takes Miami out of the equation.
– Says he wouldn’t want to play with Dwight…..that an offensive Big that occupies the post would eat up his space. Say goodbye to Orlando, Cleveland, etc…
– Says that he doesn’t want to play close to home, so we can cross San Antonio & Houston off the list.
– He laughed when a NY suggested he sign there.
I really see no incentive for Bosh to want to go to Chicago. He’s a smart dude & I think he knows that the grass is not always greener on the other side. Toronto fans have a pretty good read on the dude & most fans there think he will re-sign. Most articles written in the US are written based on popular opinion in the US markets rather than any kind of inside knowledge or truth. Most writers have not spoken to Bosh prior to writing their articles, & the ones that have seem to get the feeling that Bosh will re-sign in Toronto.
January 8th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
BiG ShoT BoB says:
I’d give up Tyrus but if I’m the bulls there’s no way I give up Noah when his second in the league in rebounds this year.
January 8th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
NTstateOFmind says:
@8, can the bulls do a sign-and-trade? im not completely sure how those work, but i think that option is there for teams that worry about situations like you described
im all for the trade, and i think itd work out nicely if Noah isn’t included in that deal.
Salmons on the other hand …how do we get rid of that bum?
January 8th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
ArrogNT says:
If they get bosh(which i think is a good move) wouldnt they be able to get another star and resign Bosh?
January 8th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
911 says:
Here’s an article written by a guy who HAS spoken with Bosh:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/tcowlishaw/stories/071509dnspocowlishaw.3207152.html
“After talking to Bosh at his basketball camp at Greenhill Academy on Tuesday, I have to put him alongside LeBron and Dwyane in the “no chance” club (at signing with Dallas).
There are multiple reasons, but No. 1 is that Bosh genuinely likes Toronto.
Who wouldn’t? It’s a great cosmopolitan city. I guess if you are young and rich, even Sacramento looks good, but Toronto has clearly won over the pride of Dallas’ Lincoln High.
“It probably took me two or three years, but I went there when I was 19,” said Bosh, who played one season at Georgia Tech after helping Lincoln to a state title. “I was fresh out of college. I was used to roommates and guys knocking on the door, saying where the frat party was.
“But I love Toronto. And Toronto loves me.”
January 8th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Al says:
Wow, I call BS on this article. There’s so many things that are left out of the article and it’s just another made-up rumor to get people talking. Not sure how many of you watch Raptor games or have access to the local Toronto broadcasted games…but there was one interview with Brian Colangelo maybe 20 games back and it discussed the possibility of CB4 leaving and what the organization would do. If wants out, BC stated that there is a very enticing offer for them to do a sign & trade. That way, Bosh gets the max money (which TO can offer) while being traded to a desired team. It works for Toronto because they’ll get a player(s) that work for them as well.
Management has no clue what Bosh wants to do, so why jump the gun. Bosh has slao stated that he made a plan after signing his previous contract and he’s honoring it.As you can see, things are looking up for the Raps. He’s stated that he wants to be a major part of the team’s “solution”, he loves T.O. (contrary to what this article is suggesting with absolutely no facts), he wants to win. So far the past couple of games, things look alright for the team. He’s a stand-up guy, Toronto AND Bosh will play out the season to see where they stand.
Also, BC will NEVER fall for a bullsh*t trade like Babcock’s VC deal.
To the writer:
“Chris Bosh wants out.”
“CB4 is looking for the quickest way out of T-Dot.”
There is absolutely no evidence which shows that he wants either of this. Where are you getting these supposed ‘credible facts’ from?
Yeah, that’s what I thought.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Aron Phillips says:
@TIP
Miami, which is where a lot of people think he’s going to land, is one player away from a title. You add Bosh and they can make it to the Finals. I hear what you’re saying, but personally, I think there’s no reason for Bosh to stay. He’s done all that he can do. He’d probably go the route of Baron Davis and sign with the Clippers over returning, so he can be in Hollywood.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Drapsfan says:
Who the fuck is Andrew Wamboldt and I didn’t realize reading all the blogs and US & Canadian media, on top of all of the known writers who have more insight into what teams int he NBA are doing that this author was such an insider? Wow Dime has some real investigators working them.
This is all trash no way Bosh exercises a $17 mil option when he can get $130 MILLION and then have a sign and trade happen to a team that actually makes sense for him to go to THEN Toronto gets the right expiring contracts, draft picks and who the fuck ever to make more sense than a PG that is not needed and some dude they won’t even sign at the end of the year.
It’s not a guarantee Bosh, Lebron or Wade go anywhere just because some teams have money. They have legacies that may be established and not to mention the pay out.
Useless trade scenarios thought up by bloggers who don’t even represent a team don’t count.
Try again dummies
January 8th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
AdvancedMind says:
As a Bulls fan i want DENG gone.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
Aron Phillips says:
@Al
Why wouldn’t he have signed an extension if he wanted to stay? Bosh is smart. He’s not going to come out and blow up his spot like Carlos Boozer did. What if he decides to play out his contract? Boozer was talking smack all summer and then decided not to opt out. Sure Bosh hasn’t publicly demanded a trade, but he has been criticizing his teammates and their effort.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
AdvancedMind says:
LOL @ the angry Raptors fan.. nobody cares about Canada.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
justino says:
what does quoting former dumbass gm rob babcock have to do with anything?? i usually try not to bash too much…but this article is straight stupid sorry
January 8th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Drapsfan says:
Has the author of this fantasy ever even watched a Raptor game or been to one? Or is this the usual US media shit that is just assumed? The dude doesn’t even want to play in Dallas where he lives so how are you so sure he wants out of city that he actually likes and comes back to about 20 times during the off season to party and hang out? Get your head out of your ass with these repeatative Dime articles that keep making statements with no fact.
First Auston Burton writes this shit and now this author.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
TIP says:
I don’t believe the 5th best team in the East right now, and maybe 6th come the end of the season (yes, the Raps are better than Miami), is one player away from a championship. If that was the case they’ll be more like 2nd.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Drapsfan says:
@AdvancedMind
Ummmm I don’t know if I left me address or not but how did you assume I am from there? You don’t think people near the border follow a team? I don’t live anywhere near Green Bay but maybe I am fan of them.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
911 says:
@ Aron Phillips
Why hasn’t LeBron or D-Wade signed an extension with their teams? Because when they signed these deals, they planned on opting out so they can sign larger contracts.
It would be stupid for any of these players to sign extensions after last season. They would be losing money.
None of these players can sign new long term contracts until the end of the season at this point.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
TIP says:
I can’t wait for all the free agents to sign with their current teams and finally just shut everyone up. The world will be a better place, don’t you think?
January 8th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
AdvancedMind says:
@ 21
I actually dont remeber saying “LOL @ Drapsfan”…
And if your a greenbay fan and DIDNT
A. grow up there
B. live there at one point of your life
C. was raised a Packer fan from a older family member
OR D. Gave Brett Farve a western grip handjob
Then that would make you a FAIR WEATHER FAN or as i like to call a HOMO.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
AdvancedMind says:
O still nobody cares about Canada.
Go ask the Grizzlies.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
maddskizzle says:
Looks like Peter Vecsey is writing for Dime now.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
maddskizzle says:
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/sports/article/65468–chris-bosh-s-new-toronto-filmed-dvd-shows-star-feeling-at-home-in-canada
“I just came here (in the summer) and I was like: ‘Dang, I’m comfortable here,”‘ “Usually, when I was younger, I’d come here and I couldn’t wait to go back home (to Texas). I’d go home and sit there and do nothing. Now? It’s like, we’re going to T.O.! When you going back to Dallas? Pfft, I don’t know – whenever. I just feel comfortable here.”
January 8th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Drapsfan says:
@23
So anyone who follows a team outside of a city is a Homo? Wow dude you really know how to bring the funny! And no on cares about Canada and the Grizzlies!? Just Awesome!
I dont think they care much about them in Memphis either dude.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
Al says:
@ Aron Phillips:
Have you even watched the past 11 Raptor games in full? They’re playing good ball right now and he’s feeling good about it. You’re talking like he’s the only one on the team doing the criticizing…never mind the fact that Jarret Jack and Antoine Wright have expressed frustration during the team’s slump too.
He declined the extension because his original plan when signing his previous contract is exactly what’s unfolding now. He wants to attempt to make the Raps a good team by the end of his current contract. If it doesn’t work, he has the sign & trade option or simply walk away. Like I said, he wants to see if the situation in Toronto works for him. Simply put, he doesn’t wanna betray his plan, himself NOR the fans of Toronto.
“Why wouldn’t he have signed an extension if he wanted to stay?”
The question you have asked me should then apply to LBJ and Wade then right? By Bosh not taking the extension, your reasoning suggests that LeBron wants out of Cleveland, and Wade won’t be in Miami after the summer in 2010.
You still have no credible sources. This is just a way to get more hits on the Dime website. Congratulations, you have succeeded.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
control says:
The only people who care about the Griz are other team’s GMs who need a bitch to rape in a trade.
This is just another article from a yankie writer who don’t know shit about anything that goes on beyond the borders of their own country. It’s on par with the reporting about the situations in the Middle East, etc. Shit, I’m surprised there was no mention of how much of a “small market” Toronto is…
AdvancedMind
Come on man, you better than that.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Aron Phillips says:
@Drapsfan
It’s a trade RUMOR! This is nothing against the city of Toronto, but about Bosh wanting to play for the Raptors.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
GrayZ says:
@ Aron Philips (6)
I can think of about 30 million reasons why bosh would stay. Even if he doesn’t, BC, bosh’s agent, and bosh will do whatever possible to arrange a sign and trade.
Bosh gets a lot of exposure in Toronto and across Canada, and has lots of endorsement deals. He won’t get the same playing in a smaller market like Chicago, yet alone playing second fiddle to Wade in Miami, or LBJ in new york / cleveland.
It makes no sense for him to leave the extra year and money by signing with another team in the off season, and there is absolutely no way Brian Colangelo trades him during the season for peanuts. BC has repeatedly said in interviews that he would not do this, and laughs at interviewers when they bring it up.
This is why raptors fans laugh at articles such as these, where a team offers up a poo-poo platter of pieces from their roster that they think will somehow pry bosh away from toronto.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
Joe Buddy says:
I stopped reading after the first paragraph.
And when do the “Why LeBron should leave Cleveland” or “Why Wade should leave Miami” articles start up? Never seen one of those before.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
LakeShow84 says:
LMAO @ AdvancedMind
Cold man, just cold lol
January 8th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Adguy365 says:
Whoever wrote this article is wack! We’re talking about BRYAN COLANGELO here! He’s not going to trade Bosh for those two garbage players.
This is what will happen. The Raptors will finish 5th or 4th this season..Go deep in the playoffs…when this happens…do you even think Chris will want to leave? NO! There is no other team that Chris can goto and expect immediate success.
The grass is not always greener on the other side guys. CB knows that.
FYI: CB Loves Toronto!
January 8th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
Drapsfan says:
@ Aron
Agreed, except the RUMOUR is unsubstaniated and the dude has never been on record, including to people close to him the city. Its a fantasy he doesn’t like it here and the ONLY reason he didn’t sign an extention this summer as the opposed to the one coming is the 30 Mil! You’re telling me you would make a business decision to give that up when you only have to wait 12 months? Come on bro, do the math and read between lines. It’s your job to analyze and weed out bullshit like that.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
LakeShow84 says:
@ JoeBuddy
SHUT THE F UP AND DONT GET THEM STARTED ON THOSE.. i like reading about other players..
ANYWAYS.. IMO if Bosh takes less money and signs with a contender he could have the biggest IMPACT of any free agent signing.. Because im sorry if Lebron or Dwade jump shit for NY/CHI they wont be winning jack anytime soon.. Then again maybe Dwades signing because that back court could be STUPID SICK.. DRose and Dwade?? in this guard league?? just fill in the blanks..
January 8th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Drapsfan says:
@33
Yup dude….just COLD! Guess we’re all Homos on here since we like the NBA over all despite being a fan of any particular. Those Cleveland/Laker games really make us homosexuals watching
January 8th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
LakeShow84 says:
@ Drapsfan
Once again let me explain that if they dont write about it and it pops up somewhere else they catch flak from foo’s like u who whine about not being updated.. Most trades start off as rumors anyways.. so eat it and be happy..
January 8th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Chicagorilla says:
@joe Buddy,
You never seen them because Wade shouldn’t leave Miami. The LBJ article has already been done.
Why are the Raptors fans getting so worked up about this? It’s just a trade rumor. I am a Chicago fan and I DON’T want Bosh here. I can’t stand his Euro-style big man game. It kills me to watch him shooting face-up jumpers all game (yes even if he hits them). I would never pay Bosh max contract money so there is no need to trade away talent to get him here.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Buck says:
Terrible article – weak rationale. Just trying to fire up Raptor fans again.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
AdvancedMind says:
@ Control
This is a regular Dime rumor why would these guys be SO upset about there “6’10 face up jump shooter that plays little to no Defense” in a terrible European system” care if hes traded?
As a Bulls fan i dont even want his SOFT ass on my team, the Canadians can keep him, but why cry like a bitch with a skinned knee about a trade rumor, like Bosh is f@cking on a Bird, Jordan, Magic type of level.
I take back my Canada comment, cause id love to go fishing there one day…lol
January 8th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
TIP says:
@joe Buddy
“Why are the Raptors fans getting so worked up about this? It’s just a trade rumor.”
True, but these rumours always seem to want to come along with something along the lines of “Oh Bosh can’t wait to leave Toronto”, “Bosh is disappointed with his team”, “Bosh wants out”…statements that have never been true. Why all the unnecessary tangents?
January 8th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
TIP says:
One more thing, Aron.
Sorry but you lose credibility points by insinuating that the Raptors want to do a trade just like that of VC.
Absolutely retarded.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
AdvancedMind says:
@36
So when do you change back to being a Knicks fan?
January 8th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
Drapsfan says:
@37
Has nothing to do with not being updated or some other shit…has more to do with it being a typical one sided article like he’s itching to bolt the city as if he plays in some D league city.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
Drapsfan says:
@42
Hard to be one of those with a stiff like Curry playing on the roster….so about….never
January 8th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
AdvancedMind says:
@42
lol im sorry i forgot how great the likes of Wright and Jack are..
But in your teams defense, the Knicks are actually worse at playing Defense then Toronto, who comes in at 3rd worse in the League just behind Golden State.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
Joe Buddy says:
@ Chicagorilla….”Make no mistake, there is no chance that Chris Bosh re-signs with Toronto this summer. Sure the Raptors can offer the seven-year vet more money than any other suitor, and there is the off chance that he decides to wait one more year and cash in on his $17 million player option, but let’s be honest: Chris Bosh wants out.”
That’s why Raptors fans get so worked up.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
Joe Buddy says:
Read #40. TIP knows what I’m talking about. It’s not the rumours that get us worked up, it’s the false statements of Bosh dying to get out of Toronto that gets us worked up.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
TIP says:
oops…my bad on my post #40…that shoulda been @chicagorilla
January 8th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
Drapsfan says:
@42
You’re right dude, they are attrocious. But beleive it or not the Raps and Knicks have had top 10 defense in the last 12 games…go figure
January 8th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
Danny says:
You can’t make something up out of thin air and then call it a “rumor.”
Yes, someone has to be the first one to start a rumor, but that person doesn’t then go around talking about this awesome new rumor they heard.
January 8th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
nckdmss says:
Wow… Aron Phillips is gettin ripped up…I might as well jump on the bandwagon.
@Aron Phillips:
For what it’s worth, you contradict yourself in the first few lines of the article. First you say there is “no chance” Bosh resigns. Then, you say there is an “off chance” he exercises his player option. Lat I checked, “off chance” was not the same thing as “no chance.”
Also, why do I have to link to DaBullz.com to find out where this rumor came from?
January 8th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
JJTO says:
It’s funny how these articles come out as the Raptors go on a big run, Haters… Toronto is WAY better the chitown- who are fighting to even make the playoffs. And neck and neck with Miami who have had way more home games.
+ Toronto with Wade would beat Miami with Bosh.
January 8th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
GABRIEL BROGDEN says:
I don’t see why this makes $en$e for the Bulls.
This is TOO sweet for Toronto brass.
Maybe the fans don’t like it.
But this is TOOOOOO SWEET, money wise.
You know what, I can’t see Chicago fans not really liking this deal. What’s not to like? You’re only gettin’ rid of Kirk and Ty and cash…and fans don’t care about cash, it’s not like thier paying the Bulls’ bills.
I personally don’t see why Chicago brass would do this unless they plan on dumping a whole bunch of players next summer.
And Chicago would have to know for sure Bosh agrees to an extension to even THINK about thinking about this deal.
Bosh don’t bang, true. But he’s a force, a force that goes hand in hand with up n coming bangers like Noah and Taj.
If rumor turns out to be true, Toronto fans lose. Chicago fans win. Toronto brass wins. Chicago brass lose.
In the short term at least.
January 8th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
Prof. TX says:
ESPN is reporting that he’s most likely headed to Houston, and Morey has been pursuing him. The Rockets have a good collection of young pieces to move, and the most valuable expiring contract in the league. The fact that Bosh is from TX doesn’t hurt either.
January 8th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Brown says:
I don’t even care. Rumors are what they are. You don’t think GMs have called Brian Colangelo to offer deals? Any good GM will at least listen to an offer, even if it’s terrible, and that’s where rumors can come from.
I’m the type to believe it when I see it. That being said, I’d bet my house that this trade will not happen. Not now and not in the offseason. The Raps will wait until the offseason when the serious offers start coming in.
The way I look at it is this: the Raps are not a contender with Bosh as their centerpiece, mostly because they haven’t built the team to complement his skill-set. They had a chance to pair him with another star when they passed up B-Roy for Bargnani, whose game doesn’t complement Bosh. Drafting Roy would have changed the entire complexion of the team and given Bosh a wing to play with, something he’s never really had. Bosh’s team will only succeed if his team is strong on the wing. Look at how good KG was in Minny; the only time the T-Wolves did anything was when Cassell and Sprewell were there too. KG didn’t experience team success until he got to Boston, who are about as solid as you can get at the 2-3 spots. If Bosh is smart, and I’m assuming he will make the right choice this summer, he’ll go to a team that has a strong wing presence. Hedo Turkoglu is obviously not the type of player to provide that for Bosh.
Toronto has failed to put the pieces around Bosh to ultimately become a contender in the NBA. If I was him, I wouldn’t stick with an organization that doesn’t understand how to build around my talent and provide me a chance to win a championship. It’s as simple as that.
January 8th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Drapsfan says:
@60 Prof Tx
ESPN is saying Houston WANTS him but never said he’s likely headed anywhere….and Bosh already said he doesn’t want to play in Texas and that’s on record
January 8th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Clutch says:
“Let’s be honest: Chris Bosh wants out.”
Wow this honestly made me lose so much respect for Dime magazine.
January 8th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
Dagomar says:
Considering the amount of Canadian readers this site gets – me, for example – the continual American bias really is grating. Bosh has never expressed dissatisfaction being in Toronto (a great city, by the way), he loves being the man on the Raptors (a great organization, by the way) and the team is rolling right now. If the Raptors keep playing well I think odds are that Bosh will resign. And, pray tell, why would the Raptors make a trade during the season when A) Bosh hasn’t indicated he wants to go anywhere, B) Colangelo has consistently said he wouldn’t be traded, and C) there is no chance of getting equal value in return.
January 8th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Dagomar says:
Actually, after reading the comments it’s pretty obvious that many of the people commenting know more about the Toronto situation, hell, more about the NBA than the writer. Probably not the standard you want to uphold in a basketball magazine . . . .
January 8th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
AdvancedMind says:
@58
Wow your better then the Bulls lol
At the end of the day your team will be right along side of my team “watching the chip series from home, GONE FISHING”.as Kenny Smith and sir Charles says.
Toronto should just become Canada’s olympic team and call it a day, that lame european style of ball will NEVER win a chip, with or without Bosh.
January 8th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
BigRedFred says:
Ignorant Americans….think we live in the moon with the rest of the world.
This deal is going to come down to money that’s it. Cause its all about the benjamins and him being the # 1 guy and he is not going to get that in any other team better then the Raps.
Why the hell would he want to go to another NBA team to be in the same situation he is in now.
So either he stays put or goes to a contending team. It aint Chicago thats for sho.
Oh this was a Dumb article…get your facts straight….OH MY GAH
January 8th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
joaquim says:
Horrible trade, but it has to please the bulls fans so this trade is suggested.
Bosh isn’t traded to chicago unless we get Rose in the deal and Noah. But why would he want to go to the lousy Bulls? He’d be suffering a long time there unless they can spring another start like Dwade.
January 8th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
Johnnyboy says:
LOL at AdvancedMind, obviously someone picked the wrong name.
I’ll help you out… IgnorantMind.
Thank me
January 8th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
Rapsfan says:
Yo Aron, my friend from Toronto who knows Chris says he def loves Toronto. So go fuck yourself
January 8th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Lemmiwinks says:
I happen to know for a fact that there is no way Derrick Rose will re-sign in Chicago. So why would Bosh join Chicago and then have Rose leave in a few years?
Ok, I don’t know that. But you don’t KNOW what Bosh will do. Neither do I. And you don’t KNOW what Lebron or Wade will do either.
Finally, I cannot believe you are comparing Rob Babcock to Bryan Colangelo. One, Colangelo is intelligent, and Babcock is not. Secondly, Carter came right out and requested a trade and stopped playing hard (did he ever play hard?), leaving Babcock forced to play a bad hand.
Nice article, though. Good for a laugh!
January 8th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
Aron Phillips says:
@Joe Buddy
LeBron and D-Wade don’t need to leave their teams because they have pieces in place to win. They might though.
January 8th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Aron Phillips says:
Dear Toronto Fans,
I’m sorry guys, but my argument is sound. You guys just don’t hear it. Maybe if I spelled it NBA Trade Rumour then you’d be more receptive.
January 8th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
Joe Buddy says:
@ Aron Phillips
Can you name those pieces for me please. Thanks.
January 8th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
Joe Buddy says:
@ Rapsfan…no need for that my friend.
January 8th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
silky says:
u guys are too much. we might have to switch the meaning of NAFTA
“north american free thoughts agreement.”
i hope CB stays, alot of people like him north of the 49th. even tho i don’t really fuck with your game, reminds me of shareef when he was here, solid production, but u knew he just wasn’t “that guy”. would be a better second fiddle.
i feel like i gotta stand up for vancouver here. look at how much fun memphis is havin with michael heinsley, that fat fuck. just shows how much management counts.
stu jackson, if i ever catch you on the street i’ma beat you like a third world dog.
who is last in attendance this year…. memphis. shit! vancouver, even in our worst year, we were well above that.
i’m out like all the grizzly bears in memphis
January 8th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Drapsfan says:
@ Aron Phillips
Argument is sound? Are you kidding me? When you make the argument please let us all know as we are still waiting for this “sound” argument. Al you have done is repeat the same thing other bloggers and dreamers have said nothing more. There is no “sound” argument in anything you’ve said. You didn’t even get the rationale of why he wouldn’t sign an extention…$17 mil vs $30+ mil.
How do you get that wrong and then say you actualy have good points. Go back to the desk bro and start over with something that makes sense
January 8th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
Gunner J. Matthews says:
Does anyone remember what Toronto did with those two 1st round picks?
January 8th, 2010 at 6:39 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Damn i aint even seen more of a backlash for something so unoffensive lol
Is the whole city of Toronto having a collective case of PMS??
Dude didnt say Canada is horrible or Toronto is shitty, he said Bosh wants out.. and if Bosh did INDEED want out it has to do more with the TEAM and the ORGANIZATION.. not the actual city.. Maybe Bosh knows putting together all these euro style of players isnt going to get it done..
And for the record if Bosh DID want out he doesnt seem the type to come out and say I WANT OUT.. in other words he aint got the balls to do so and would jump ship as soon as the right wind came..
January 8th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
Aman says:
Aron,
You’re arguement iswithout basis or rationale, research or substance. You make categorical statements with basis and choose words designed to evoke a response.
Bosh has said he not made a decision.
Bosh has said he loves Toronto.
Bosh has ruled out certain cities-Dallas.
Bosh can make a lot more money in Toronto either by signing with the team or via a sign and trade.
January 8th, 2010 at 8:18 pm
bola says:
bosh wants out.. now kill me! lol!
January 8th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
wifey says:
@ AdvancedMind
grow up you funking retard
I could care less if CB4 leaves the T-Dot. He’s weak, soft and takes stupid jump shots during crucial moments of the game. If Toronto had a guy like Amar’e Sroudemire, theyd be contenders for the top 4 seeds year in and out.
& @ Aron Phillips
cumon man that article is as pathetic and stupid an article can get. The trade rumour with Noah is interesting, n doubt, but Zero chance? REALLY?
January 9th, 2010 at 1:18 am
loc says:
Raptors fans rule hahaha
I think people don’t realize the raptors are NOT just Toronto, a whole country with a population of over 30 million people cheer for you.
I used to live in New brunswick, nova scotia, alberta, etc and people love the raptors. Its a huge market, on top of that, Toronto is the 5th biggets market in North America.
Chris Bosh is a top NBA talent and we’d be stupid to trade him for some bums and a draft pick. We did it before and we should learn our lessong. Maybe if the raps show commitement to Bosh, he’ll show it back.
I can hope anyway.
P.S. and whats with Americans always shitting on the raptors AND assuming Bosh is bouncing no matter what? Fuck the haters.
January 9th, 2010 at 7:28 am
KING BUGGALOO says:
FOR ALL U TORONTO DUMMIES,IM FROM CHICAGO.DO U THINK THAT ANY OF THESE NBA TEAMS ARE GONNA GIVE ONE OF THESE PLAYERS 30 MIL.U GOTTA BE STUPID,THE MOST ANY OF THESE STARS ARE GOING TO GET IS ABOUT 20 MIL.HE AINT NO MICHAEL JORDAN.WHAT HAS HE DONE TO DESERVE 30 MIL.NO CHAMPIONSHIP,NO MVP,CAN’T EVEN MAKE IT PASS THE FIRST RD OF THE PLAYOFFS.THINK LIKE A GM.SHOULD I PAY THIS DECENT PF 30 MIL OR TRADE HIS AZZ FOR A AVERAGE PF FOR 4 OR 5 MIL AND SAVE 25 MIL,PLUS GET A DECENT PG AND SOME DRAFT PICKS.THEY BOUT TO SHIP HIM UPS AND FED EX.ITS JUST LIKE SAYING,THEY GOT A 2011 BENZ FOR 80,000 AND A 2009 20,000.WHICH ONE WILL YOU BUY?
January 9th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
K Dizzle says:
To the clown callin himself “KING BUGGALOO”, please read about the NBA salary cap and the max salary structure before posting crap on the boards.
“Maximum Individual Contracts under the CBA
The maximum amount of money a player can sign for is contingent on the number of years that player has played and the total of the salary cap. The maximum salary of a player with 6 or fewer years of experience is $9,000,000 or 25% of the total salary cap (2009-10: $14,472,500). For a player with 7–9 years of experience, the maximum is $11,000,000 or 30% of the cap (2009-10: $17,310,000), and for a player with 10+ years of experience, the maximum is $14,000,000 or 35% of the cap (2008-2009: $20,195,000).[4]”
Ask yourself, who’s the highest paid player in the l. His name is McGrady. He makes 23 mil this season and has never been past the first round of the playoffs, no mvps, no championships, but here’s the deal. If he stayed healthy and was puttin up his all-world numbers, he would actually see a RAISE in the next contract.
Comparin Bosh to MJ is the single most dumbass statement ever written. Callin T-Dot dwellers “DUMMIES”, while embarrassin the Chi by admittin you from there is comedy on its own. Chris Bosh is a max money player. Go read what that means. It’s got nuthin to do with Mike. It’s cuz he’s a 25 year old PF who’s only gettin better, and at worse is the 2nd best PF in the l.
Like my uncle used to say,”Better to keep your mouth shut and let them think you a fool than to open your mouth and prove you a fool”
You ,mos def, a fool. Change your name and try again
@ Aron – dude, your credibility just took a huge hit. Nobody knows what Bosh is gonna do, just like nobody know what LBJ and Flash gon do. Your first paragraph sounds like you talked to Bosh, which of course you didn’t or anybody else close to the situation who would have knowledge of your claims. Comparin Bosh situation to VC is messed. Comparin Babcock to Colangelo is misguided. Then sayin this
“While Andrew Wamboldt from DaBullz.com thinks “this would be the biggest steal in NBA trade history,” I think this makes sense” might be the dumbest shit I’ve ever read. A Bulls fan thinks it’s a stupid deal but you think it makes sense. Before the season started, we were talkin CB4 for Randolph, Biedrins, Bellinelli AND the 7th pick(Curry). Now that Bosh has increased his trade value, this deal “makes sense”?
This article is as credible as
“Chris Bosh has no desire to stay in Toronto” says Stephen A. Smith, in which Chris Bosh replies “No, no, no… I understand people are entitled to an opinion, but making stuff up…Let’s all be fair”.
You made shit up, pissed off some fans, brought out some ignorant heads who assume that ALL Raptor fans live in Canada and other shit I read that just makes me shake my head.
Massive, massive fail. Give your article to the editor first next time and this wouldn’t happen.
I’m out…
January 9th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Drapsfan says:
@ K Dizzle
Couldn’t have said it any better about this clown of a article disguised as real journalism.
January 9th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
GoEasy says:
Aron Phillips really walked into a shit storm on this one.
January 9th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
justpassingby says:
I heard the deal was done this past summer but fell apart when the Bulls wanted the Raptors to include a bag of magic beans along with Bosh…this trade is pure fiction!
January 9th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
chris says:
i am impressed that there are 88 posts on this – clearly people care about it. as a to fan, i don’t think miller, noah, hinrich or thomas is a help to the raptors, so it basically turns into chicagos first round pick (likely between 10 and 18) for bosh, who is a pretty successful, healthy, young 4th pick overall….i think the raptors should try to get a least 1 helpful piece (maybe someone who can play defense?) and a 1st round for bosh
January 9th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
adam416 says:
I’m a resident of Toronto and a Raps fan and I find this article and the responses rather amusing.
The assertions made by the ‘writer’ are based on wild speculation, but worse, they’re not supported by a single source.
Money, winning and being ‘the man’ seem like the biggest factors to be weighed in his decision.
It seems unlikely Bosh would be the focal point on a contender, effectively ruling out him jumping ship to try and win right away.
So that leaves money, where Toronto can pay him the most and then the status of being the man on the team, which he already has.
This kind of poor writing is why bloggers will continue to struggle for legitimacy as journalists.
Cite a source. Read a book on journalism or something.
January 9th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
adam416 says:
@90
and I forgot to mention, that Aron didn’t even try to rationalize his own assertions. At the very least, if you’re going to make a claim, support that claim with something, anything, even a weak, feeble attempt at a hail mary to appear coherent.
January 9th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
Aron fail says:
“Aron,
You’re arguement iswithout basis or rationale, research or substance. You make categorical statements with basis and choose words designed to evoke a response.
Bosh has said he not made a decision.
Bosh has said he loves Toronto.
Bosh has ruled out certain cities-Dallas.
Bosh can make a lot more money in Toronto either by signing with the team or via a sign and trade.”
so true…the thing is aron…it would have been fine if you just admit that these points were your opinion as oppose to fact…
January 9th, 2010 at 10:50 pm
stephon says:
To: Aron Philips
think of better topics to attract readers than this. You have no justifications for your conclusion here.
This article is totally biased and opinionated. Please title “BLOG by Aron Philips ” next time you write this kind of junk, cuz this makes the whole DIME office not credible when u publish bullshit as an article.
And do you even know who Bryan Colangelo is? are u kiddin’ me? comparing to the incapable GM that is Babcock? This Raptors squad is a playoff team. Why trade away the franchise player middle of the season where there is a chance to make the playoffs and offer BOSH more reasons to stay should the playoff run goes deep.
And if you think BC is afraid that Bosh can turnaround and just sign with another squad as a free agent this summer just like what T-MAC did (which was a bitch ass move), the case is different this time around. We can offer the MAX. And i am confident BC can negotiate properly if BOSH really decides to leave.
Just those 2 reasons alone would dismiss your biased opinions on your bullshit article.
Aron, this ain’t personal.
Readers just letting the Dime crew know that you can’t half ass your articles. You have the responsibility to write professional articles if you want to be respected in this industry. You can just go work for TMZ.com or tabloids if you gona half ass your shiet.
Readers taking time out to post comments on your weakness shows that we care. If we didn’t care, then your office would be in trouble.
No more garbage like this. Please.
January 9th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
stephon says:
@K Dizzle
good response to the that fool KING BUGALOO.
WORD.
@ GoEasy
Yes, Aron did walk into a shit storm. Better yet, when i first posted, i didn’t even realize that Aron actually made some comments on this post after being bashed. He actually said his argument is sound. SOUND?
Not admitting to your own faults is the biggest failure for any one tryin’ to move forward.
I am very confused as to how this guy got a job as an NBA writer for your office.
January 9th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
KING BUGGALOO says:
@ DIZZLE,IM MEAN THIS FAG NAME K DUMMY ,U STUPID,WHY ON GOD GIVEN EARTH WOULD THEY GIVE THIS DUDE A MAX 30MIL CONTRACT AND HE HASN’T DONE ANYTHING TO DESERVE IT.U BEEN UP THERE IN THE COLD FOR SO LONG,I THINK YOUR BRAIN FROZE.U GUYS UP THERE DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT A STAR LOOKS LIKE.YA’LL PRAISING THIS GUY CHRIS BOSH LIKE HE’S A MJ.HE’S OKAY,BUT YA’LL THINK YA’LL DESERVE ALOT FOR HIM.HE DON’T EVEN DRAW A DOUBLETEAM.ME PERSONALLY,I WOULD TAKE A.STOUDEMIRE BEFORE HIM.U BEST BELIEVE TORONTO IZ ABOUT TO SHIP HIM OUT.NOW TELL THAT TO YO GAY AZZ UNCLE.BUM
January 10th, 2010 at 1:04 am
toronto jay says:
bosh is not leaving toronto!
January 10th, 2010 at 5:06 am
CHI City Kidd says:
As a life long Bulls fan I’m kind of tired of all of these trade rumors involving the Bulls. Mainly because there’s always a new rumor by some so called credible source that rarely ever winds up happening anyway. Every year the Bulls are linked to some superstar ( I.E Tracy Mcgrady ’00, Kobe Bryant in ’07, Amare Stoudemire in ’08, and Chris Bosh in ’09 and ’10) that won’t wind up being traded here. If they get a trade for Bosh done, great. If they don’t, try to acquire a superstar PF in the offseason. In other words I’m not holding my breath for this trade rumor.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:24 am
K Dizzle says:
@ Bugaboo
Great post. Very well thought out. Now let’s disect: Nobody in the l can make 30 mil per so don’t know why you keep postin that (maybe read my previous post about max contracts- just use that up arrow to the right) and if you read your previously well thought out post, you’ll see that you the only one comparin Bosh to Jordan and since I already said Bosh was at the least, the 2nd best PF in the l, maybe it’s understood that Amare could be one of the guys heads would consider number 1. As for my uncle, he read your post and just shook his head….He know a fool when he reads one.
Make some points next time and we can discuss ball and learn how to use the caps lock button while you at it cuz all you done is draw attention to yourself, and after readin your posts, you might not want that.
For real now, change your name and try again…
January 10th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
spirow says:
Very dumb article. . . Advice for writing your next article, let it make sense to the readers. . . Why would bosh get traded for that package? Were you high when you wrote this? Bosh in my opinion is arguably the best PF in the league, and may be number 2. And there are 30 teams in the NBA which is very hard for a player to stay on top. . . If you really understood the cap hit which im sure you don’t, thats why ur writing this article, you’ll know A) the cap will most likely, and not 100 percent but more chances of the cap taking a hit! meaninng players would be smarter signing with their respective teams including players in their primes! B) Chicago has bigger prblems then CB4 right now! they should really focuss first creating some space you know to add another player. . . The way things look right now they can’t even sign wade. . . They’ll need to get rid of a contract like solomon. . . Sometimes I ask myself why do I even bother reading dime but then I realize it’s not all the writers, it’s just some bad apples like you who don’t know what their talking about! MAKE SENSE MAN! MAKE SENSE!!!!!
January 11th, 2010 at 9:16 am
Drapsfan says:
This author maybe the worst writer on staff at Dime….and there have been some REALLY stupid articles written here which says a lot.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:18 am
weak says:
a great deal with rose in the bulls and a possible bosh and t-mac will be much good than the big three of the boston celtics maybe go for a 6 championship by jordan
January 14th, 2010 at 11:51 am
BC says:
I gave up on taking this article seriously once I realized that it is essentially comparing Colangelo to Babcock.
That’s like saying: Isaiah Thomas made bad signings/trades for the Knicks, so every future Knicks trade will be horrible.
January 22nd, 2010 at 10:13 pm
masse says:
Who exactly is your source…the writer’s a hack…there is no basis for any of these speculations…
January 26th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
jason says:
Pure mindless speculation. Bosh doesn’t “want out” and he is more than likely going to be persuaded by all the extra cash Toronto can offer. Most likely Bosh is going to resign and the author of this trash will look like a total hack.
January 29th, 2010 at 10:07 am
Dmg says:
Does anyone responding to this article actually know anything about the workings of the salary cap? Bosh signed his extension, as did Wade and LBJ, to accrue a better qualified status as a free agent in 2010. Adding the extension enables them to max out their respective contracts, which is going to be doubly important this off-season, which brings me to my first point. The 10-11 salary cap has already been pegged at 56.7 mil, or 1.2 mil less than this season, due to the league wide drop in revenues brought on by the recession. So while current contracts will have the same monetary value as before, as a percentage of salary they will increase. This effectively means teams will have less money to spend and those contracts will have a lower
ceiling. Bad news for teams without a marquee free agent to re-sign as they will have less money than in other years, but great news fo teams like Toronto who get a massive competitive advantage to resign their larry bird exemptions.
Secondly to everyone who is bashing Toronto it should be noted that Toronto is the third largest media market in North America, after LA and NYC but well ahead of cities like Chicago and Miami, it has the most diverse racial makeup of any city in the world, it doesn’t suffer from urban decline like Detroit or washington and it’s safe. Furthermore Toronto doesn’t suffer the same ethnic racial tensions as some American cities. CB4 often returns to Toronto in the offseason, especially for events like Caribanna (a multi cultural celebration of black and Carribean culture in the summer) where he can walk the streets of the city rather unobtrusively. No Bosh likes Toronto and won’t pass up on all their extra money, unless the team blows he’ll be here next season
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Garbs says:
this trade with bosh in chicago does not make any sense for toronto. Kirk??? no need in toronto for him there is jose and jack backs there, tyrus not comparabale to boshs skill and talent and why trade for cap space that makes no sense, t-dot is trying to make a push for the elite 4 in the east, giving up bosh for either chicago trade sets them back like 3 years from where they want to be. Even if bosh decides to leave there are a ton of teams that could offer better how about amare for bosh plus the detail work draft picks players etc. that trade idea is to one sided with shy-town getting all the benefits, who wouldn’t love to have derrrick rose and chris bosh together crazy trade and wont happen colangelo is not an idiot
February 6th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
nikita says:
I sincerely hope that Dime goes to greater lengths to ensure the articles they produce are legitimate. This one for example – is a worthless piece of trash.
What in your right mind possessed you to compare Babcock to Coleangelo?! dont do it again.
Bosh isnt going to some team where he wont be “the man.” and the raps can offer him money, not to mention that he actually likes TO.
The raptors are Canada’s basketball team. dont you enrage us. ever again.
February 8th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
matrix says:
I feel pity for Chicago fans. I think the franchise should think about signing a new GM who can keep their franchise players in house before they go and sign big name players.
we all know the story of Ben, now sit and watch what will happen with Tyrus. He will gladly walk away with more money in the off season
February 11th, 2010 at 7:17 am
the big ticket says:
why not trade bosh and hedo for joe jhonson
February 17th, 2010 at 10:18 pm
Cornelius says:
Love how wannabe GM’s talk about trades like they are nothing. For one thing this idiot thinks with the way the Raptors are playing right now you really really think they are going to deal him? They’re sit at 5th place in the east and honestly if your on a rising team with a city that loves you and a Gm possibly offering you over $20 million where else can you get a deal like that? If you don’t believe its ok time will tell and make all the haters shut up.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
anji says:
i don’t want noah to be out of chicago. he’s an effective work horse down low though i want cris bosh and i also want to materialize this trade rumor hope it’s not noah to be traded off.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:08 am
N-j95 says:
Toronto’s gonna win this time.