Carmelo and LeBron Stage an Epic Shootout, and Everything You Need to Know About the NBA Trade Deadline Deals
How unreal was the LeBron James/Carmelo Anthony shootout in Cleveland last night? Their head-to-head overtime battle was so good, they pretty much completely overshadowed what was arguably the craziest NBA Trade Deadline Day (11 official trades, 39 players total switching teams) in history … There were lots of subplots leading into the game last night (the Cavs’ addition of Antawn Jamison at the trade deadline, the surprise return of Mo Williams from his shoulder injury), but when the lights went on for real, it was all about ‘Bron (43 points, 15 assists, 13 boards, 4 blocks, 2 steals) and ‘Melo (40 points, 7 assists, 6 rebounds, 2 blocks). For much of crunch time and the entire overtime, the two of them guarded each other, showcasing their contrasting offensive styles – LeBron using brute strength to overpower ‘Melo on drives to the hoop; ‘Melo unleashing jumper after jumper right in LeBron’s mug. The overtime frame was basically the two of them giving each other buckets until Carmelo iced the game by sticking a long J over LeBron with two seconds left to win it for Denver … There are very few players in the NBA, if any, who can physically slow down LeBron on defense. None of them play for Denver. James was going right through ‘Melo and Chauncey, and right by Kenyon Martin. It was an especially tough assignment or Kenyon, who often found himself having to deal with LeBron on pick-and-rolls and having to track him while he was moving without the ball 35 feet away from the hoop … Chauncey is cold. With the Nuggets up two with about 1:20 left in OT, Chauncey got a pass from ‘Melo and was wide open in the corner. LeBron came closing in on him fast and you could just see James going for one of those Hakim Warrick-style blocks sending Chauncey’s shot to the soda man. Anybody else probably pump-fakes and passes or tries to get away from LeBron, but Chauncey caught it, waited for LeBron, let him get just close enough to where he’s wasn’t gonna get it, and drained the three in his eye … Antawn Jamison and Sebastian Telfair were in a luxury box with a Cavs official sitting between them, looking like he was talking them through Cleveland’s sets … Speaking of Jamison, he is clearly a great pickup for the Cavs and makes them significantly better, BUT, if they had been able to land Amar’e Stoudemire and could roll out a lineup of LeBron, STAT, Mo Williams, Shaq and say Anderson Varejao? Problems … The Kobe-less Lakers/Celtics game started off with Boston and Rajon Rondo looking to exploit one of L.A.’s most glaring weaknesses – the (in)ability to check fast guards. Rondo was giving the Lakers serious issues until they backed off and dared him to shoot. Rondo had nothing by way of jumpers last night, and when that happens, he’s pretty much neutralized. He finished 6-17 from the field … The rest of the game turned into a defensive struggle, which manifested itself in really physical play and lots of missed jumpers. Somehow, in a close game, the Celtics were outscored 17-11 in the fourth quarter and still won, 87-86 … When the dust settled after the NBA’s trade deadline came and went, almost 40 players were officially on the move. We were all over it on the site yesterday, tracking every rumor and every single deal throughout the day and night. There were a few big deals, like Tracy McGrady heading to the Big Apple and the epic Nate Robinson to Boston 5-player deal that was being worked out right up until the deadline. The rest were relatively minor, highlighted by the garbage-for-trash deal between the Sixers and Bucks, Tyrus Thomas to the Bobcats, John Salmons to the Bucks, and a few that snuck in right at the end … So now that the deadline has come and gone, who are the biggest winners and losers? We will have full breakdowns right here by 9 AM ET today … We’re out like T-Mac’s stay in purgatory.
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February 19th, 2010 at 2:03 am
jt says:
great night of basketball
February 19th, 2010 at 2:40 am
wifey says:
Carmelo>Lebron. Suck on that Austin Burton
February 19th, 2010 at 2:41 am
wifey says:
*and big ups to memphis for getting Brewer
February 19th, 2010 at 3:19 am
the_don_mega says:
melo is most def the better offensive player… way better… cat’s jumper was wet all night… he gave bron the business… if bron has to develop a more all around offensive game… he can’t rely on his athleticism forever… question… with the way his offensive game is at right now… what type of player would bron be without his athleticism???
February 19th, 2010 at 3:28 am
dh says:
Great games tonight (except for the Lakers – Boston 4th qtr)…
LeBron is a physical freak of nature and I love watching him play. That but after tonights game I’m starting to think that Melo will finish his career with more points. I mean LeBron will presumably slow down at around 30 and have to adjust his offensive game, while Melo can continue to master his same offensive style at that age.
February 19th, 2010 at 3:38 am
Coop says:
Those 2 stat lines are just stupid, especially Bron’s.
February 19th, 2010 at 4:06 am
GoEasy says:
during the cavs game they said that noones dropped 40+ 10+ and 15+ in a game since pistol in ’73… crazy.
February 19th, 2010 at 4:40 am
sh!tfaced says:
If Melo vs Bron was epic, Pierce vs Artest was butt ugly.
February 19th, 2010 at 4:56 am
BRUCE says:
I was expecting Miami to do something, Riley did nothing!
February 19th, 2010 at 5:24 am
ab_40 says:
Bassy playin with lebron… so they get the guy bron wanted them to draft in 04. Get Jamison for Z who will probably be back in about a month or so. Great move cleveland. I don’t think LBJ is going anywhere buy cleveland.
Who is the pg for washington? the little guy or randy foye? In three days they traded away their whole starting lineup from the playoff years and gilbert will be gone next summer so he’s included as well. But they’re an exciting young team now with Mcgee, Blatche, Thornton, Howard and Foye. That’s a run and gun bunch. Flip won’t be happy but hey it’s the nba.
Miami, Atlanta, Phoenix, Utah. All these teams are sort of good but not championship caliber and they didn’t do nothing to get better. A shame realy to see players like amare, boozer, johnson, wade just letting the years go by without the ability to win anything.
And I’m happy Tmac is gonna play again but I’m not happy it’s with the knicks. Now I’ve gotta watch at least one knicks game this year. I hate watchin the knicks play. No D half a$$ed offensive sets and a whole lot of booing. I’m ready to see what he has left in the tank and which contender is gonna sign him next summer.
Melo vs Bron… FINALY I’m gonna download this game tomorrow.
February 19th, 2010 at 6:00 am
vince says:
hey dime, remember when you proclaimed hakim warrick to be the best off season signing bang-for-buck this summer? hehehehe
February 19th, 2010 at 6:42 am
Diggity Dave says:
Hey Austin,
This is off topic, but that ice skater Evgeni Plushenko that you gushed about back on 2/17 got upset by a US skater last night for the gold. So much for all his smack talk:
“My enemies, they’re worried because I’m back. They’re afraid a little bit. … It’s a great feeling.”
The US ain’t worried, comrade. Go suck it.
February 19th, 2010 at 6:50 am
Dagger says:
I am loving how everyone is claiming Melo is a better scorer than Lebron after last night. Lebron had more points on a higher efficiency, and that’s while attempting several impossible, last-second shots. Oh, plus the rebounds and assists.
Good win for the Nuggets though. After they beat the Lakers twice and the Cavs twice, I think they need to be considered a serious contender.
February 19th, 2010 at 7:08 am
dz says:
This is too funny.
The Dallas Morning News has a report that includes this:
“if the Mavericks can get LeBron for Butler and Dampier, they would do it in one second. In fact, they would probably let the Cavaliers pick anybody on the team not named Dirk, with the possible exception of Jason Kidd, and do the deal.”
Then some reader posted the following comment:
“Well, the Dallas Morning News must be hiring.
I would like to apply for the position of Sports Beat Writer. I am attaching an example of the fine work I could provide the DMN.
MAVS BEGIN FREE AGENT FRENZY
Dallas (AP) Sources close to the Dallas Mavericks report the team is making big plans for the off season. A blockbuster trade involving the Mavs, Lakers, and Cavaliers is underway. Dallas will be sending JJ Berea to the Lakers and Erick Dampier to the Cavaliers in exchange for Kobe Bryant and LeBron James. Suns forward Amare Stoudemire has decided to opt out of next years contract to come play for the Mavericks for the league minimum. The Washington Wizards and New Jersey Nets have also agreed to give Dallas their 1st round picks in next years NBA draft as a sign of good will.”
See: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/basketball/mavs/stories/021810dnspolebronitem.12a515842.html
February 19th, 2010 at 7:11 am
That's What's Up says:
@post 2 – only a wifey would throw out some stupid-ass comment like that
and then 4&5 cradle Melo’s nuts some more.
Melo is nice, but we haven’t seen anything like Lebron since…. those two letters
February 19th, 2010 at 7:27 am
alf (from melmak) says:
Two very good games which might be a preview of the finals. I hate Joe Dumars for giving away Billups. It changed the balance in the west.
I feel so tired already and just cannot wait for the weekend. Let me use my saved meal allowance to buy me some CDs. Yup, old school me. I hate to download. By the way, am now playing the Rio album by Duran Duran. Classic.
February 19th, 2010 at 7:30 am
bboy says:
den vs cle last nyt was the bomb!
#2
melo will never be better than bron. bron is definetly better than melo in every facet of the game except in terms of their offensive game. bron just rely exclusively on his athleticism. unlikely melo whose offensive game is an assortment of moves and jumpers that lebron could only dream about.
#15
what 4 and 5 said isnt a stretch. if lebron looses his athleticism (age or injury) without improving his offensive game he’ll certainly find it way to difficult to find ways to score. even reggie was saying it, lebron just puts his head down and barrels through everybody.
and btw, if 4 and 5 are melo nuthuggers your basically a lebron c***sucker
February 19th, 2010 at 7:34 am
Austin Burton says:
@Diggity Dave — Plushenko got robbed! Not that I’m a skating expert all of a sudden, but I thought his routine was better than Evan’s. While Evan was basically flawless, he was also boring. Plushenko made you watch him, and didn’t have any major mistakes. If this were basketball, I can see where a flawlessly-played Tim Duncan game beats out a slightly flawed Amar’e Stoudemire game, but skating is about style as well as substance.
February 19th, 2010 at 8:30 am
dawggg says:
Why Fisher was in the game in the last two minutes is beyond me. Atrocious Defense against rondo, pierce, allen and really didn’t do anything.
February 19th, 2010 at 8:32 am
Dapro says:
Skating….really!?! I can’t get pass those outfits they wear, let’s stick to bball.
Good games yesterday but it is clear Lbj has a great all around game with video game stats but Melo scores the easiest. He’s damn near unguardable
If Lbj has to score alot the Cavs won’t win it all. The best attribute of his game is passing and finding open teammates not his scoring.
February 19th, 2010 at 8:47 am
Chicagorilla says:
Great game last night with Melo and Bron. That was an classic 80′s/90′s shootout. Melo absolutely showed his a$$. He made me a fan of his even more so than I already was. He is Benards Kings fantasy. Melo is my created player in NBA2k10. Unreal.
Lebron had a really good game too. One thing that was weird though, Bron had 15ast by the end of the 3rd qrt, and finished the game with 15ast. If Clev wants to win games like that, throw the ball down low to Shaq. Lebron should know that.
Also, loved the fact that they spent a lot of time guarding eachother. That’s what I like to see, MAN THE F^k UP! That’s how it’s supposed to be done.
February 19th, 2010 at 8:52 am
srb says:
Dime I’m just not seeing the knicks/celtics trade as “epic.” Unless Giddens and Walker suddenly take the league by storm………….
February 19th, 2010 at 9:42 am
ShowKase says:
So….I guess all the Cavs fans are mad because they got to see how good Melo is and that he is “offensively” better than LeBromance? Melo’s quote for the night should have been, “You cant handle the Truth!”
February 19th, 2010 at 9:48 am
duke_blue says:
Good game and all but is it me or did Lebron walk off the court crying? Did anyone else see that???
February 19th, 2010 at 9:52 am
Chicagorilla says:
@puke-blue
yes I peeped that. I didn’t want to post it, because it always starts a big argument. but yes, he missed that shot and walked directly off the court almost in tears.
February 19th, 2010 at 10:01 am
Ian says:
good thing shaq hits his free throws when they count cuz we all know that if he makes them in the first quarter the refs dont add them to the score.
February 19th, 2010 at 10:15 am
AdvancedMind says:
Lebron is a terrible sportsman, how do you battle like that all the way down to the wire and not show respect for your opponent. If hes the face of basketball then we are gonna have alot of little ignorant kids running around acting like “SOUL TRaiN CRY BABIES”…
Dancing when your up 25 and crying and carrying on like a female when you lose.
He should grow up and act like he has a set.
February 19th, 2010 at 10:18 am
Gabriel Brogden says:
Ehhh, Denver plays physical. What’s the Over/Under on how many times Cav players fell or ‘tripped’??
6 and I’m takin’ the over.
LBJ’s J was OFF! like bug spray. He even tried that spin move/fadeaway thing like 83 feet away and bombed bad like a lousy comedian.
He’s gotta stop jackin’ the j when his j aint dropping and when the j aint droppin, possessions are flopping.
He’s jacking 23 feet out with 23 seconds on the shot clock. CHEEEEEELL
By the way, Props to Aron Aflalo or however you spell his name! Damn!!! What happened to last names like Smith and Johnson??? Don’t matter, he kept Bron Bron’s heat checks in check. Nice.
Just to think, if the Cavs could just hit thier FREE THROWS last night, it might not have been that close of a game. The Cavs couln’t get a free basket like a bad kid on Easter day.
Melo gets it poppin’ like a lip gloss song. He’s so Mellow and Smooth!! He was stinkin’ it up in the 1st but his 2nd Half was the TRUTH like an awesome wife. Melo got loose with it. That spin move on LBJ…CLASSIC!
This bol JR Smith man. This bol wicked. He can stroke a 3 like a pedophile. Still can’t rely on him though. But his back breaking ability is better than the Ultimate Warrior’s!! Or better even than Heath Ledger.
Too bad for Anderson…he was cleanin’ up like everyone’s favorite bald guy. Does he have hyrdaulic pumps embedded in his calves?? Hopefully his back is OK.
SHAQ was gettin’ tons of buckets like he robbed all the KFCs on the east coast.
Cavs need Z’s return like good sleep.
In 30 days, thier insomnia should be over.
February 19th, 2010 at 10:20 am
The Other Aj says:
A couple things I noticed last night from the game:
1. Melo is willing to guard Bron 1 on 1 throughout the game, where Bron will only do it in the 4th quarter
2. Melo’s jumper is unbelievable. He was hitter J after J in Bron’s face. Bron has worked on his shot, but he’s still light years away from Melo
3. Bron’s court vision is extremely better than Melo. That’s the biggest difference between the two of them. Melo will pass out of a double team, etc. But he doesn’t look to pass like Bron does.
4. It was good to finally see Melo accept the challege of going at Bron. As a nuggs fan I had started to notice that he would shy away sometimes from taking it to Bron.
All in all it was a great game. One of the best of the season.
February 19th, 2010 at 10:21 am
Chicagorilla says:
@DIME,
Is no one gonna make a comment about Charles Barkley stating that “Lebron James is the only FA next summer that makes your team a contender”?
Really Charles? Well Wade has already won a Chip as the man. So how does Wade not make your team a contender. And also, this was the same night Melo shot his face off. And while Melo is not a FA this summer, he is also in the category of being able to make your avg team a title contender.
February 19th, 2010 at 10:21 am
The Other Aj says:
Oh yeah did you see Bron storm off the court…what a D-bag!
February 19th, 2010 at 10:47 am
K Dizzle says:
lmao @
“good thing shaq hits his free throws when they count cuz we all know that if he makes them in the first quarter the refs dont add them to the score.”
2) I’m not mad at Pau nor do I blame him for the loss…but I would rather have LO goin coast to coast against an unorganized Boston d and have Pau crash since nobody would even be thinkin about boxin his ass out than havin DFish tryin to shoot over Ray Ray on an inbounds. Shannon Brown throwin up js in the last minute like he was Kobe cost the game. We were actually beastin the Celts inside, when Shannon decided he was Glen Rice. Of course Pau showed that he can’t be the go-to guy when he tried to force that weak pass to Shannon under the basket
when he shoulda been takin it at em…
All in all, a good defensive battle and comeback when it looked like Boston was gonna run away with it and I’ll take 4 wins and 1 one point loss to Boston w/o Kobe, but we gave that one away
February 19th, 2010 at 10:52 am
Leroy Shonuff says:
@DZ…funniest thing I read in a long time…
Bron is on some new age BALCO type stuff. It has to be against the law of some type of science for bron to be able to do what he do at his size(6’9 280)…dude got a crazy team of soviet bloc chemist on his side…smh
February 19th, 2010 at 11:06 am
K Dizzle says:
And some of you need to stall with the Lebron stormed off after a loss without shakin hands. I never defend Bron, but holy shit, if I put up 43, 15, and 10 and my boy put a 20 foot j in my eye for the game, I’d be a little ticked. Quit thinkin the dude owes you anything. I don’t remember Mike shakin hands after a loss, Magic, Bird, the same. Why hold Bron at a higher standard? I don’t remember Kobe shakin anybody hand either after losses, but I’m a Laker fan and sometimes you wanna know that the loss bothers a player as much as it bothers you. I hated watchin Vince Carter smilin, laughin it up as his team was gettin destroyed. I’ll take the “unsportsmanlike extreme” U really think Bron and Melo didn’t talk after the cameras were off? Maybe you think they gotta shake so that you’ll see? Minor basketball players still shake hands, high school players shake hands, college players shake hands. Lebron’s actions really don’t affect anything except to have grown ass men cryin about it on a website. Get over it.
I’m out
February 19th, 2010 at 11:15 am
eyes says:
@AB..Funny the mention of the skater being robbed. So we know it’s possible. Did anyone notice how the refs assisted in every way to give the Cavs the game. If & when Lebron wins a ring(IF EVER). Stern & the officials should receive one too.
King James is not Kobe or Wade yet. The 2 threes. The DAMN HITCH IN THE FREE THROW KILLS HIS SHOT. It’s like he’s catching a cramp at the end of his release. The no call on Chauncey out of bounds. The phantom/Stern foul on Nene. He didn’t even swipe at all. It’s ridicolous & unfair for the fans watching. He still didn’t pull it off. Lebron wins this game he gets a whole article. Melo wins & bugs out result just like the R.O.Y. race. So what Lebron is better. Lebron is better. WhY? Because we say so & he’s the face of the league. Melo hit the game winner & it might as well have said so what in the article. Everyone is waiting on hand & knee for Lebron to come thru. The sad part is while we annoint the King we forget about a lot of the other ballers in the league. It causes resentment. I don’t like Lebron because it’s assumed he’ll win chips & is above & beyond everyone else.
Yet I seem to think Wade is the guy come clutch. If Melo would just make his mind up to pass when that double & triple team comes every time. He could be a MVP & win multiple chips. His triple threat & offensive skill is 2nd behind kobe & edges Gilbert & Joe Johnson.
Lebron work on your game. I would let Lebron keep shooting like Rondo. You stand a better chance. The refs will bail him out 100% of the time if he attacks the basket. I think you’d get a technical if he jump kicked you on the way to the basket. The refs could have easily dictated yesterday’s game. It was obvious who they wanted to win.
The whole screaming thing to draw a foul is a little played out too. Chauncey Billups is very underatted. He looks so much younger in Denver. Afflalo has been balling. He had the clamps with the help D on Lebron 1st half.
Chemistry is so important. The lose had a lot to do with trying to bring back Mo & Delonte not taking nothing away from Melo Jabs. FYI: Orlando Magic. That was really dumb what you did wth Jameer & Skip. I mean really
Jr Smith man. If he ever tries to learn some dribbling & more basketball skills. He’d be amazing. If you work on your game you could start & be a ALL Star. Check for his brother Chris Smith next yr at Louisville. Very similar games you’ll like. What an enigma.
February 19th, 2010 at 11:26 am
eyes says:
Media causes most of the resentment toward Lebron. People that think for themselves & wathc basketball not just ESPN. Also people that don’t live & die on fantasy stats. Carmelo Anthony is the face of the Nuggets. He’s been a rock & changed this franchise for the better ever since entering the league. Playoffs every year in the WEST. Snubbed R.O.Y.,All Star,Best if not 2nd best every year on the Olympic team. Yet he still receives no credit. You know how draining that is. It’s like what the hell they want me to do. I personally love & like Wade,Gilbert,Melo & JJ in that order over Lebron. That’s my choice & opinion because of skill sit. Those players are politically correct except for Wade. Because he earned it. I hear the bashing of Wade on Star calls not Bron as much.
I still miss Gilbert every game I don’t see him on the court. I miss his blog & miss him being healthy. He was so entertaining that year. One of the best individual performances ever. Stat wise,Game Winners. You’d never know or remember. Funny how none of his games were mentioned before the unloaded Peter Vescey incident. He gave Kobe 61 LMAO & had him tight in the interview. Then came down & hurt the 2 time MVP Suns for 55. He’s a olympic star along with JJ & Josh Smith. Too bad it will never happen due to the league Marketing machine.
Olympic Roster
Jennings,Paul,Williams,Gil,Chauncey,Crawford
Evans,Kobe,Wade,Lebron,JJ,Smoove,Melo,Durant
Howard,Brook,Bynum(Damn our Post players are sorry)
February 19th, 2010 at 11:51 am
Gabriel Brogden says:
Right EYES, the MEDIA is to blame for everything. World hunger, 3rd world poverty, Lebron being good…etc.
I swear some y’all be hating on some other sh**. Real talk.
Let’s see, eyes you “personally love & like Wade,Gilbert,Melo & JJ in that order over Lebron.”
BRON scores MORE, assists MORE, rebounds MORE, blocks MORE shots and shoots MORE accurately, even 3pointers than your favorite basketball player.
I guess it’s the media’s fault.
February 19th, 2010 at 11:57 am
Leroy Shonuff says:
I agree with eyes on the gilbert thing but them miss free throws killed him. Like em said you only get 1 shot to blow…and he blew it. And Josh Smith is overrated in my eyes by basketball fans. Yes he is a great athelete but he is really tryus thomas with freedom. If Anthony Randolph had the freedom he had he would be better. But our post players don’t suck we just have a hard time using them correctly. Millsap, Kaman, Lopez, Lee, Landry, Horford, Jefferson, Zach and even the infamous Boozer…those are good players but we have guards who couldn’t throw an post entry pass if their life depended on it.
Like why don’t the nets focus their offense around brook. They would have atleast ten to fifteen more wins. They got the young guard talent to press teams on d and use brook in the halfcourt game yet they don’t do it. That’s poor coaching. Same with the Kings. Good young post players in Hawes and Thompson yet they are used only for pick and rolls. That doesn’t work. Develop your bigs and they will get better. Guards will always get their shots, but the big men need attention.
Look at Aaron Gray. Dude isn’t that atheletic but he got really good hands and can finish at the rim. Yet because he is considered slow he doesnt get the ball in the post and now he is out the league. That and many other reasons is why the nba sucks. Jordan even tho is he the greatest player ever, also was the worst thing to ever happen to basketball( American wise).
February 19th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
LakeShow84 says:
@ Eyes
No it isnt the media that causes the resentment its the biased BULLSHIT that we all witness like last night.. Lets not even talk about the fouls the Cavs committed AGAINST Denver lets talk about the BULLSHIT calls that Lebron GOT.. his last 3 point play was insult to all who think (Thanks Bill)..
And im with Kdizz on that one.. It was a regular season game so he didnt need to shake anyones hand.. it was funny to watch him walk off like a baby though.. probably cuz Melo really made him look inept on D last night.. damn the spin move was disgusting.. he shook Lebron out of his own ass..
Now EVERYONE needs to please acknowledge this.. Multiple REF crews have been in the Q for some big games against other contenders.. does anyone notice how under 1-2 minutes left in the game the opposing team gets DAMN NEAR NO CALLS?? i mean SERIOUSLY.. look at that fact and please try to explain to me any kind “coincidence”.. unfair and i liken it to steroids in baseball damn near..
Lebron will get RETARDED phantom calls but Chauncey can get BUMPLED (ON THE PERIMETER MIND YOU) RIGHT IN FRONT OF A REF TO THE POINT OF FALLING OUT OF BOUNDS AND THERE IS NOTHING.. DAMN PEOPLE.. WAKE UP.. THAT IS NOT BASKETBALL..
February 19th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
The Other Aj says:
@Gabriel
No is saying that LBJ isn’t good, but I think the point is that he isn’t THAT much better than some of these other great players (ie Melo, Dwade, etc) It is the Media that pushes most of that.
Look at Melo’s skill set, much more polished that LBJ, he’s deadlier in the clutch, and on and on. So why isn’t he mentioned in the same breath with LBJ? Media…
Espn, Foxsports, Nike, etc decided back in ’03 that he was going to be the great one and they have not wavered on that. Even in the years where Kobe was clearly better than him, they would still make a case the he was better…
Let’s just slow down the hype wagon with LBJ that’s all I’m getting at
February 19th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
LakeShow84 says:
@ Brogden
See its peoples like you that pop up with some dumb unrelated as shit trying to be smart asses when someone says something that makes PERFECT sense..
aint no one saying Lebron isnt good.. Hes one of the alltime greats because bottom line we havent too many people capable of what he can do but come on man, if you think its “good basketball”, “fair competetion” with the shit he gets ur a fuckin follower..
And if the media didnt act like followers themselves and question that said BULLSHIT it wouldnt happen as much because the league would know it had eyes on them and their shit..
But nah we got people like yourself popping up with “Right EYES, the MEDIA is to blame for everything. World hunger, 3rd world poverty, Lebron being good…etc.”
And proclaim us haters for being observant..
Damn shame..
February 19th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Chicagorilla says:
I have a sneaky suspicion that poster “eyes” is Charles Barkley.
The lack of focus on one subject throughout your posts is reeking of Sir Charles.
February 19th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
LakeShow84 says:
ANYWAYS
Good game from THE LakeShow last night.. couple of brain farts but for us being in our first close game without THE assassin i thought we did good..
Pau just ummmmmm got a little antsy out there lol.. bad pass to Shannon, bad timeout.. shit i mean Shannon didnt even FLASH open for a second lol good D by Allen on the baseline..
And Derek Fisher does tend to kill me but i love the F’er lol i remember someone saying he gets calls cuz hes the president of the players union.. Well check out his last drive with under a minute left.. Ummm FOUL..
February 19th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
LakeShow84 says:
And Paul Pierce is such a flopper sometimes..
Euros (sorry no offense) and string cheese players are supposed to be soft..
not beefy, been stabbed in neck g-unit cats.. he’ll hand out blocking fouls all day and get away with it but u BRUSH that man on his curl to the hoop and he jolts his neck up and makes a whiny face like a train hit him in the nads..
Crazy..
February 19th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Ekstor says:
I’m not a LeBron fan, but some of these posts against him are ridiculous. The man had a MONSTER triple double along with 4 blocks and 2 steals.
Yes, he’s strong… yes, he’s athletic… but strength and athleticism by themselves don’t get you 43/15/13/4/2.
Carmelo might be the best pure offensive player in the league (with Durant closing in fast)… this, this is coming from a a Laker/Kobe fan.
But scoring is the only thing Carmelo has on King James. Without his athleticism, he wouldn’t be as effective, but athleticism alone doesn’t get you gaudy numbers like that!
February 19th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
LakeShow84 says:
^^ lol another person who dont get it ^^
February 19th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Chicagorilla says:
@all posters,
Lebron is the most overrated athlete I have personally ever seen “witnessed”. There is no way around it. Over hyped, he is the Lil Wayne of basketball. The media forces him down your throat.
@KDizzle/Lakeshow
Maybe the reason why you guys see nothing wrong with LBJ not shaking hands is because your superstar has had poor character issues himself. So you learn to over look it.
But please stop the blasphemy of throwing LEGENDS names around just to try and make a point. Making up lies like “Jordan didn’t shake hands, neither did Bird/Magic”. That’s a bold face lie. When they show the highlights of Jordan getting his a$$ whooped by Det, he still shook hands. No matter how dirty they were. When TNT showed the Lakers/Celtics montage yesterday of them killing each other game after game in sports biggest rivalry, they still shook hands. The clip of Isiah Thomas and Kevin McHale giving each other a pound after the Pistons finally got past the Celtics (88′ I think) is one that always replays (although I think Bird did walk off without shaking hands on purpose that series).
And there is no way you can seriously condone LBJ not shaking Melos hand after such a great game. Reg season or not. I want to like LBJ, but watching him with the “I ate ass” face stump off the court to go cry in the locker room was down right disgusting and annoying.
Have any of you ever watched a great boxing match? I watch Roy Jones Jr. absolutely destroy his opponents and even mock them in the ring. Mike Tyson would damn near kill guys in the ring. ALI AND FRAZIER ALMOST KILLED EACHOTHER EVERY FIGHT, and Ali would go around calling him MONEKY, UNLCE TOM, GORRILLA, yet all of these guys were MAN ENOUGH to shake their opponent’s hands. GTFOH with that.
LBJ is a freak of nature athletically, but he has the mentality of an f^king grade school girl.
February 19th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
eyes says:
@37 Media is controlled so I’d say yes in their coverage of stories & bringing attention to it.
Not hating. It’s called difference of opinion usually from the masses. You have to be under 30 or don’t watch the league as a whole. Not just what’s marketed to us. To a Fantasy or statistician Lebron is great. #’s & + or – don’t win games. I don’t care how pretty the stat line is. We know already he’s a walking triple double. Still hasn’t won anything when it really counts. Best team in the N.B.A. last year what happen?
I like those players due to skill set & they could be Lebron given all the hype. Anybody is great if you wan’t to make them up to be. I could say I’m 6’5″ & you may believe me. Now factor in media & writers saying it you’d have no choice. Unless that is you saw it or thought for yourself. I understand what Lebron may become but he isn’t there yet in terms of being the best player in the N.B.A. He’s Magic Johnson w/out his Showtime bandmates. As witnessed last night there is no Lakers w/o Kobe. Regardless of how good on paper they look.
For people to consider Lebron the best what. He isn’t. There are a lot of players that are better or just as good. You wouldn’t know. Due to R.O.Y., DVD in Highschool playing with & against nobody & being bigger than everyone. Handed the league & a big contract like Drake of anticipation. Which has to be unheard. Not even Kobe/Jordan/Penny or Shaq was handed the league the way Bron was. They literally said here young’n it’s your league. We’ll pave the way & make sure everything is clear for you. Drake has a Sprite Commercial & is the biggest hip hop artist w/o a album. While I do congratulate. Damn. What some others with more talent must be thinking.
When you are politically correct & have the thing on your side. Any & all is possible. I know so many people that are more deserving & better. Due to their connections. We’ll never know.
@GB.. You also think everyone in the N.B.A. deserves to be here. People that didn’t make weren’t that good. There are no politics in the league & refs aren’t biased. Even Stern is biased as to how he wants his league ran. Carmelo is supposedly to hood. Kobe-Den
Wade is to close to Mike. It’s Lebron league & yet he still hasn’t won anything.
Lastly he does all the things MORE except win on the EAST. With a lot of help. He carries & walks more than anybody in the league & still don’t A.I. people. He go to move is the cannonball. Still got love for the man for living up to all of it. That was the most daunting task. He could of easily succomb to it. NOt many players could take all that & thrive the way he has. I’ll give him that. He’s a pro Pro & joy to watch for the most part. I’m a fan just wan’t him to earn it rather than it being given.
@Leroy…Some very excellent points. The fundametals of the game are gone. Too many 2 guards that can’t shoot & Point guards who can’t pass & shoot to much. All the big men want to be guards now. It’s all messed up. Do you think the Globalizing of the game has been good or bad for basketball. I hate when we compare the Euroleague game to the N.B.A. It’s not even close. Their best players can’t dominate here. Our worse players are stars over there. Go figure. I like some of them but I feel overall they’ve diluted the talent pool. Too many get drafted over deserving American born players & don’t pan. When financially they were better off just staying there. Also what the hell is up with paying a D-Leaguer under 30 thousand. You can’t raise a rat with that.
February 19th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
The Other Aj says:
Agree with eyes…
LBJ was ‘given’ the keys to the NBA before he did anything significant
February 19th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
AdvancedMind says:
I agree with Chicagorilla..
Lebron is by far the most overratted player i have ever seen in my lifetime. I marvel at what athletic abilities he has, but as far as i see it he isnt even the second best player in the league after Kobe….
Id take Wade before Lebron anyday, id get the numbers and he has already won a chip, plus i wouldnt have to deal with the BITCHASSNESS Lebron brings to the court on a nightly basis.
Its very simple, i dont care what you do on a daily basis in your personal life, but when your on center stage, national TV, you show some class and shake your opponents hand. Set a example for all the kids that look up to you, even if you hate winning, The game is bigger then Lebron James.
February 19th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
LakeShow84 says:
@ EYES
lol funniest shit..
“his goto move is the cannonball”..
SHHHHHHHH your hating.. Lebron is so big and powerful he happens to draw 30-40% of his calls under 2 minutes when everyone KNOWS where he is going with it..
i mean seriously people.. we just saying..
@ ChiTown
And its crazy how people simply eat whats forced on them isnt it??
Oh well bottom line peoples.. Lebron is great.. he’ll go down as the SECOND best SF to ever play behind Larry Legend if he stays on this pace.. be happy..
Dont believe the hype..
February 19th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
AdvancedMind says:
loosing not winning lol holy fucking typo
February 19th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
LakeShow84 says:
@ AdvancedMind
You touched what my biggest gripe is.. NO ONE IS BIGGER THAN THE GAME ITSELF.. NO ONE.. Jordan is but he EARNED it with the #’s, CLUTCH SHOTS, CHAMPIONSHIPS, and many many accolades hes gotten.. and ill give it to Jordan he never CARRIED himself like he was bigger than the game.. sure he had swag but he did all the right things when the camera was really on him (bad boys, all the early exits, etc)..
You can tell a mans character with how he carries himself in his lowest moments..
Lebron ACTS like he is bigger than basketball itself.. the dancing, the way he carries himself when he gets a BULLSHIT call and makes a smug face at the FT line.. thats an insult to ANY sports heads who love ANY fair competetion..
And the most painstaking annoying part?? The league not only condones it but they support it from Stern to Stu and his refing crew of flunkies..
I would KILL for a Lebron/Kobe Finals but i know it wouldnt be fair on so many levels.. as a true competitor who ALWAYS wants the best to play the best as the last 2 standing where does that leave my kind?? oh we are branded as haters..
thats my gripe..
February 19th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Ekstor says:
Like I said LakeShow, I’m not a LeBron fan. I agree with a lot of what you’re saying in terms of his ego and attitude.
But whether he’s been handed the keys to the NBA too early or not doesn’t matter, the guy is an incredible talent… and that needs to be recognized beyond the fact that he’s a physical freak of nature.
February 19th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Claw says:
The Lebron Hate, knew it was coming, since it did take 13 games before it could start in full force again.
LBJ Overrated? Are you f*ing serious?
Reality Check: He is right now the best baller on the planet (Kobe is right there). Dude had a line that hasn’t been seen in over 30 years and yet the hate continues.
Now if you want to hate on his antics after the game, you’ll get no push back from me. I noticed he looked like a little kid that wanted to take his ball and go home after losing. He needs to learn from his mistake against the Magic last year, RESPECT THE GAME. Shake hands and acknowledge that even in a loss you can respect the other team and Melo stepping up and tell them you’ll get them next time.
I think Lebron went to Kobe’s class on how to do the gas face, that one Kobe uses every time he thinks he gets fouled is hilarious.
February 19th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Chicagorilla says:
@claw,
I didn’t read over every post, but I don’t think anyone said Lebron sucked or nit picked him for that game. I personally only made comments regarding his antics after the loss. And calling him overrated ain’t hating. I also showed him love in that he checked Melo when the game mattered most. I think someone else even pointed out that his jumper improved, it’s just not on Melo’s level.
Don’t be blinded by your love for the guy. He is what he is.
If you want to get down on someone, get on David Stern for telling the media that Lebron is his favorite player and will be the best ever. Get on Stern for handing the kid the keys to the league when he hadn’t earned it. Blame Stern and Nike for forcing him on us like we are strippers at a Duke Frat party. The ish gets annoying.
February 19th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
AdvancedMind says:
@claw
Your a lame, just because somebody doesnt agree with your Lebron assesment doesnt warrant them to be a hater..
Its called a difference of opinion.
Number lie just like men and women, and while your ready to fit Lebron for his crown, i on the other hand dont go by stats “let alone only 6 years of stats”, i go by the body work of his carreer.
Calling people haters either tells me that A. your a 17 year old, BET MTV JAMS junky
or B. your 35 and still try to be down, either way its lame.
February 19th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
LakeShow84 says:
@ Ekstor
i feel you and Lebron is a MIND BOGGLING talent.. but talent is only a PART of the game.. theres so much more.. what happens when an underdog takes out the favorites?? Hardwork and determination trump talent, thats what happens.. just an example..
@ Claw
If we are seriously to believe that Lebron James is the best player EVER then yes he is HIGHLY overrated.. cuz he aint been the best player in the LEAGUE since he was drafted.. Shaq was dominant during that time and Kobe took the keys from Shaq and aint handed them to no one yet..
When Kobe has all his shooting fingers he plays on a level Lebron cant really touch.. bottom line.. yeah Lebron will give you all the Assts,rebounds,blocks, steals, dances, mugs but Kobe will plain and simply MURDER you.. No beating around the bush.. For all his #’s last night look how close that game was last night.. dropping PHAT statistics and taking a teams heart out are 2 different things.. And id rather rip hearts out the chest..
Dont forget pre-INDEX finger Kobe.. it wasnt even a debate..
February 19th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Gabriel Brogden says:
Nah EYES, you got me wrong.
So do you Lakeshow.
The media can be biased.
The league DOES have an interest in thier posterboys (coughbroncoughkobe)
The refs DO make questionable calls, ESPECIALLY against the league superstars.
For every 1 bad player that made it in the League, 10 good players didn’t.
US society is grounded in commercialism.
Our media outlets are commercial enterprises, most of them.
Ultimately thier bias and interests and profit seeking agenda will influence their business.
No, I don’t believe everyone deserves to be in the League.
Now over-rated, maybe some people and some media outlets DO over-rate him. But on the converse, he gets grossly UNDER-rated…especially by those who don’t like him for whatever reason.
And we can do this in all arenas, inclusions and omissions.We had these types of arguments in the 90s.
“Yo, I know MJ’s the best. But it’s someone out there better than him we just don’t know about.”
“Yo, BIG’s the most lyrical, dopest emcee of all time that WE know about. But for real, it’s probably someone way better than him rapping on the block.”
To say all he does is cannonball is quite frankly wrong.
Yeah, his athleticism is off the meat rack.
Yeah, he’s prone to bogarting his way to the cup.
Yeah, AND????
He never won a big game????
He never hit a game winner???
JJ got a better skill set than him???????
CHILL DA F*** OUT.
He’s hitting 3s and mid-range jumpers better than ever and all the haters can talk about is refs. Like Kobe and Wade don’t get calls in crunchtime.
I aint talking to the fans and the ones who ONLY slurp the Media’s kool aid.
I’m talkin’ to ballers.
We all ball. We all are entitled to our opinion.
All of us knew from jump street the dude was getting hyped up. We all had our doubts. Now that we’ve seen the bol, c’mon now we know he’s the real deal. What does he have to do to earn anything??? He, by himself had a corny squad in the Finals. Media and the refs did that???? CHILL DA F*** OUT.
C’MON man, I aint buying it. Then when/if he gets a chip, it’s gonna be but he needs to win more chips. Then when/if he gets more chips, it’s gonna be something else.
I understand criticizing the MEDIA but I don’t get criticizing him for doing him.
It’s like criticizing the lotto by hating the lotto winner. Chose the correct target, that’s all I’m saying.
The MEDIA can’t hype a lie when for 82 games of the year and the postseason we see Bron gettin’ busy.
February 19th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
LakeShow84 says:
@ Brogden
So then let me ask you..
You think Lebron gets treated like EVERYOTHER SUPERSTAR in the clutch?? you think Kobe gets those same calls??
February 19th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
got beef? says:
i think lebron is little overrated but he is undoubtly the best player in the league by far right now… He dropped 43 points, 15 assists and 13 rebounds, those are REDUNKULUS STATS, he is overrated but he’s still the best in the buisiness
February 19th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
Gabriel Brogden says:
@60 – short answer is YES.
The long answer is I really don’t know nor do I care nor have I really thought about it to give you an adequate answer.
The only time I really think about a bad call or no call is:
1. during the game
2. immediately after the game or
3. rehashing ol’ memories with my friends.
If I’m a fan of a team or player or I got money on a certain outcome, I react differently — from happy to mad — depending on what’s called or what’s not called.
February 19th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Leroy Shonuff says:
@Eyes…
I feel you completely on the europeans players. It seems likre when they are drafted they get more time to develop and to keep their style of play. For example Hedo and Rudy Gay. Both are very good offensive players yet Rudy gets more criticism from the media and so-called nba insiders because he isn’t that great of a defender. While Hedo to get his criticism, his is less and he gets a pass on it more often.
With the 2 guards and points, they should go to college or like eyes siad increase the d-league salary. Isiaih Thomas some years back when he owned the cba, wnated to make it an official minor league like baseball has. The nba said no. That’s dumb. Could you imagine if the nba had a minor league system like baseball! It would help the game tremendously. Increase the salaries to 200k per year to 800k max and watch the level of talent increase. No way guys like scoonie penn, jason capal,omar cook, tradon langdon, alvin jones, joesph forte and others couldn’t make the nba d-league more enjoyable. Also if their was a real minor league system then teams could send stars coming back from injuries(tracy mcgrady, gilbert, michael redd, garnett) to those leagues so they can get back into playing shape. That way they won’t be rushed back and have to keep up with nba level game speed when they are not ready.
The nba has issues. In my opinion it starts at the top. Stern is the most overrated person in America. The referee scandual that happened twice(first was the air line tickets), poor game officials, the notion and fact that super stars get calls, the age limit, over expansion, horrible tv network(worst in sports…that inculeds the golf channel)…he gotta go. The nba needs someone with real leadership. But until then just be prepared for lebron to dribble 5 times super hard, lower his head and run towards the rim…smh
February 19th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
LakeShow84 says:
@ Brogden
Something you said that really bothers me..
Tupac was a way better lyricist than Biggie ok pal lol
Gimme The Loot is in my top 10 all time though..
“Ni$$a you aint got to explain SHIT! i been robbing mofa’s since the slave ships! same clip, same FOFIVE.. 2 point blank and a mofa sho to die.. Thats my word, ni$$a even try to play hard have his mama sangin ITS SO HARRRDDDDD”
Had to..
February 19th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
Claw says:
@Lakeshow – LBJ best ever? Cmon we all know he’s nowhere near that at this point but he has been one of the most dominant players that went from HS straight to the NBA, its not even close, he was putting up numbers day 1 while Kobe was throwing up airballs his first year.
I am wondering more about pre and post index Kobe. The Lakers won for the 1st time in like 7 years in Utah without Kobe, they lost their first game without Kobe by 1 pt to the Celts. I think the Lakers have shown they are a solid squad without Kobe and legit contendors. Do you think the Cavs could have done the same thing with no Lebron?
So Kobe is ripping hearts? He’s 0-2 against the Cavs this year. Will be interesting how Jamison fits into the equation, very surprised your Lakers didn’t make a move- that PG spot is weak.
February 19th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
eyes says:
LEROY…I hear you. Preach on. You know they hate that. Amazing how people avoid the obvious. Get him outta of here. Same with Rubio & this draft class. Rubio game is as unfundamental as it comes. If he were an inner city kid. NO WAY(To Street) If a Euro Player does it. He’s Turkish Jordan,Spanish Chocolate although I’m a fan. The Europeans are overvalued in the league. They are fundamentally sound but most don’t have the heart or athlethecism to compete on both ends.
Also watch it before a fine is handed down or Stern waves that finger at you. LOL. That’s all he talks about Globalizing the game. More $$$$$. Weaker Baksetball. Who really wants that? Who you think? There in lies the problem. They get rich. Most get poor. The sport we once loved is in a sad regression & guess who’s to blame. The so called MAJORITY. The league doesn’t care about it’s players it just needs them. They rent them & control them for the salary. Hey do this,that & shut up. Nothing negative out your mouth or we’ll exile you. It’s our league & do as we say. Not enough individual expression in game play. Most wouldn’t understand what I mean by that.
I miss Sconnie Penn. You played or still hoop? Where you from?
The D-League All star roster had to be the worse ever to date. The real players are overseas making that money. The only reason to stay is if you have a high profile agent or a solid look from the league. In other words it’s bullships. Who’s favorite player is in the D League. Most of those guys cannot even really contribute. I said most. I know there are maybe 5 that could chip in a foul or two. Just kidding for the most part I mean. Skip was never a D-League talent. Neither was Azubuke,Smush, & I could go on & on. They had to many bums taking up rosters spot like know. All old vets need to wear polos & help from behind the bench. You’ve made your paper now let someone else reap some benefit.
Was Mateen Cleaves the worse player ever in the N.B.A. Magic Johnson co-signed this dude like he was the next him. Same for Marcus Taylor. Alumni can really make somone’s career.
February 19th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
eyes says:
Claw.. Lebron shot more airballs that whole season than most players I’ve ever seen. Stop comparing Kobe & Lebron it’s no comparison. Young Lebron isn’t better than Young TMAC or Grant Hill,Steve Francis,A.I. Talent & Skill wise. For the LAST TIME HE WAS NOT BETTER THAN MELO THAT ROOKIE SEASON. Maybe now he’s surpassed him overall but not that rookie season. That was the beginning of this Lebronamania. I suprised he doesn’t just rip his shirt after games & do the Hulk Hogan ear summon.
Claw you from Ohio man or the 5th horseman. Damn. Look at Lebron team from High School. Who could check him & say yo work on this. They were the worst group of talent I’ve ever seen. He may have a great group of friends around him & I love him & them for that. Someone has to keep it real & tell him what it is.
What if you Zone Lebron all game? What would he do? What if Boston played d like they did on the Lakes when they blew them out? What can he do? What if the league called carry on Bron like they did when they were tired of A.I. running & changing the league? David Stern damn near had cornrolls. He really brought the hip hop culture to the N.B.A. which wasn’t as bad as you think. Same as the Fab Five era was great & non existent no. What happen to a whole AAu team picking one school & dominating. Everyone has an energizer in the ear. Yo this & that. It’s ruined the sport & game. One man can never do it no matter how hard you try.
Watching the Miami Heat win the championship. Was great because they see all the parts come together for a great SUM/TEAM. Is what basketball is all about. A journey that all 12 including the fans ride into Ecstacy. Fans & Teams alike only like there players & not the league as a whole.
Why can’t all of us like Bron & Kobe equally? Why can’t we judge Bean based on him rather than comparing him to Mike. Who’d we compare Mike? Let players create their own legacy & judge them based of that.
February 19th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
Claw says:
As long as there is competition there will always be Love and Hate. Bird/Magic or Lebron/Kobe, they are so transcendent because they not only attract those that think they are nearing GOAT status but those that hate the player because they are in direct competition with the player that they like.
The NBA has marketed itself more of the individual than of the team like other sports. You either like the Cowboys as America’s team or chokers as overrated or the Yankees as the Vader Empire or best team in baseball.
The NBA has the smallest amount of players so maybe that was a good move, but we talk players more than about teams.
This is America home of the rivalry, Microsoft vs Apple, iphone vs droid, Camaro vs Mustang, Budlight vs Miller, Mickey’s Big Mouth vs Red Bull (not the energy drink)
Pick one and hate the other
February 19th, 2010 at 7:05 pm
LakeShow84 says:
@ Claw
So your saying we are legit contenders without Kobe?? i wouldnt even want to waste a season by getting bounced in the playoffs to prove you wrong lol
If u believe that you have the basketball IQ of a cumquat..
Lol and your also saying since we are 0-2 against the Cavs this year Kobe is not a cold blooded killer??
Im sorry im just trying to process your whole post without laughing so hard i shit myself..
February 19th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
LakeShow84 says:
And for the record it was our first win in PORTLAND..
We own Utah
February 19th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
sporty-j says:
Nobody is saying that Lebron sucks as a player, because we all know that the lie dectector test would determine. “Thats a lie”. What people are trying say is. When your the face of the NBA you are setting a bad example for the KIDS that watch the sport and want to be like you(I’m good cuz im a grown a$$ man but its a bussines and for whatever reason who was annoited the face of the NBA). That if you lose in the championship game,game, or whatever. That its ok not to shake your opponents hand. PEYTON MANNING did the samething in the SUPERBOWL and hes the face of the NFL and its unacceptable when your the ENTIRE FACE of league. It shows poor sportsmanship, BECAUSE he was granted as the next MICHEAL JORDAN before he ever played a game in the NBA(Dont want the league trying to bring down another black man by the way, like there doing TIGER WOODS and thats where hes heading if he keeps that up because they are waitnig for anything to turn on him and bring him down). You cant be jumping around acting a fool, dancing, and taking pics or whatever when you win and when you lose dont want to shake hands but when you win your ready to hug your opponents and give them your condolences(Never seen any of the greats do that in the past and you dont see any of the star players of today do that either and he should have some class and respect for his opponents). Im not a Lebron hater but im a realist and i can tell you that i have never seen a player as hyped up that never won anything and has yet to win anything. A player like D.Wade who has good character and has EARNED everything he is today, and does do all that dancing and foolishness and still gets over looked when he has proved that if you give me a good team. I will show you what i can do with it. Its not Lebrons fault though, its the media and im suprised theres not a rift with some of these players. Secondly, you would have to be of course a Lebron fan to not see that that game was poorly afficiated and Lebron was getting every call, while i saw on a couple of plays Melo get knocked to the floor a couple times and there was no call. Go rewatch the game if you dont believe me. C.Billups was knocked out of bounce in front the ref, but if that was Lebron that would have probably have been a TECH because you could not breathe on him at all last night. I’m not a fan of either team by the way. Just a realist. Guys the NBA is a BILLION DOLLAR sport. There is lots of money envolved like GAMBLING and etc. If you take the heart out to 1 day say. “I’m really going to look at this game and not my favorite player and see if i can see what they saw”. Yeah, sometimes bad officiating goes both ways but it was clear someone hand a hand in last night game because all the calls was clear going to 1 team while players were getting knocked out of bounce right in the refs face and he stiil would not call it. I was like DAM and already knew what time it was way before that close up the ref got. You will see that SOME games are set up. Its about ratings and ETC and a LEBRON vs KOBE is what everybody wants and would be great ratings for NBA championship. I belive that ref that went to prison on some of the things he said because sometimes it so obvious. Lets let this guy Lebron earn his stuff like D.Wade and stop puting him above the rest of the guys who have EARNED respect like as if hes bigger than basketball and still has no ring. He going to have everything when BIG Z comes back in 30 days, than the actual dream team ,and more than what any player could ask for in a team so theres no excuse to not win a ring. Again, Lebron is 1 of the best players in the world but hes no different from KOBE or D.WADE but gets all the hype and from what i see he lets this stuff gets to his head. You better win it this year by the way because when Wade gets some help next year. LOOKOUT! The media is still waiting by the way to tear him down and call him the most overrated player if he doesnt start delivering those ships the media already gave him.
February 19th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
K Dizzle says:
“Dont forget pre-INDEX finger Kobe.. it wasnt even a debate..”
@ Lakeshow – They tryin but it still not a debate. What’s Kobe on game winners this season 5 of 6? 4 of 5?
Is there any doubt that he hits that shot Fish missed last night?
There’s a reason no Celtic fans had anything to say today, it’s a loss-loss situation to prop that win…and Pac then BIG, at least that’s how my stereo feels today. Changes daily dependin on my mood
@ Claw
Remember last year when Orlando swept LA, damn near crushed us twice in the reg. season and then we hadda face them in the Finals? How’d that work out?
@ Chicagorilla
I appreciate ur opinion but I know for a fact that Magic, Mike, Larry (pick a legend) did not shake hands after EVERY loss. I seen every player u can nema walk off after a tough loss or series. LA-Boston, Suns-Spurs, Bulls-Knicks, Hornets-Heat. Shit, I seen tape of Wilt walkin off after Russell and the Celts did him in again. Bron and Melo are boys so why the fuss if he didn’t do it in front of the cameras for u to see? I don’t know why some posters act like they never been disappointed before on why there’s a timeframe on good sportsmanship. Dude’s boy bust a j in his face and he barely missed the gamewinner after that. The end. I don’t care what happens after that. Neither do high school kids and college players. If your coach is any good, u gonna respect the game no matter what Bron does. Complainin about whether he shook hands or not makes him bigger than the game….and he ain’t
February 19th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
Claw says:
@Lakeshow
Don’t be shitting yourself, I saw a dude so drunk he shit himself and that shit wasn’t pretty.
I’m not saying the Lakers are better without Kobe, I’m saying the Lakers are still a top team in the West without Kobe they would still get a top 4 seed.
We shall see what happens, I’m interested in the Jamison experiment, 0 for 10 isn’t a great way of starting out but you got to be sweating that PG spot, Rondo was killing last night and DFish just can’t keep up.
February 21st, 2010 at 4:13 pm
Leroy Shonuff says:
@ eyes…I hear you man…It’s sad the way the league has unfolded in the past couple of years. I remember when nash played in Dallas, he was a borderline all star at best. He got in on the notion that good team needs more all stars. He goes to phoenix the same year the rule change was made with the hand check. That allowed him to run into the lane freely and it suited his skill set. But the reason why nash was let go from Dallas wasn’t cash, but under the old rules he couldn’t play d and couldn’t get past guards who checked him.
I tell everybody, KJ, Mark Price, Rod strickland, Terry Porter would be considered all time greats with the level of acclaim nash gets because of the rules. And even BJ armstrong would be a legit all star playing in this league. If rondo could make an all star team being a super fast mateen cleeves then bj would be the man. He could hit a jumper.
I played ball when I was younger(center I was bigger than everybody and had post moves). But when middle school came I aint get not taller so I played football. I know basketball tho!!!! I think the big issue with today basketball is the michael jordan factor. Like jordan did the impossible. Before Jordan it was common logic that you can’t win a title with a guard being ya best player and having the league leading scorer. Jordan did that! Only other player to lead the league in scoring and win a title was shaq and he did that once! But Jordan doing that is equialvant to a qb leading the nfl in rushing with 2,000 yards and winning the super bowl! Jordan did that six times!!!! That lead people to try to build their teams like jordan by getting a so-called dynamic sg, but they lacked the pippen factor(who is the 2nd greatest sf ever behind bird and would be the best player in the league today if not top 3 easy).
Basketball in america is suffering and europeans was onced fundamentalty sound but are no longer. I read that france has 11 players in the nba, but none of them is sound with the fundamentals. It’s crazy someone like ricky rubio is viewed as a prodigee when he was 17 but B,Jennings, Evans and many other young ballers in his age range is better than him. It’s borderline retarted when Dirk is considered top ten yet can’t play d or rebound at all. He is a modern day tom chambers but he can’t play d or isn’t as athletic.
And I’m from jersey
February 21st, 2010 at 10:00 pm
bola says:
Appreciate the talents and skills kb24, lbj, melo, dwade etc. have been bringing on the floor each night. It ain’t their fault that the L and the refs are in their pockets.. the superstar treatment does exist and every superstar benefits from this at any point in time..
That is the reason why we we watched these superstars and wear their gears and shoes.. Not the referees on the sidelines or dstern somewhere..
February 24th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
bcfsdv says:
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