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Vince Carter, Dime #21

OK, so it’s safe to say Vince Carter is back. After a terrible month of January that would’ve made bigger headlines had the Magic had been losing, Vince ran off two straight 20-point games over Super Bowl weekend, then last night he exploded on the Hornets like Shane Diesel at a cougar convention … Vince got going early, scoring seven of Orlando’s first 12 points after tip-off, but was fairly quiet the rest of the first half as the Magic got picked apart by Darren Collison (27 pts, 9 asts, 4 stls) and David West (27 pts) and gave up 70 points by halftime. The defense tightened up in the second half, though, and Vince went nuts. He finished with 48 points, six threes and zero dunks. As the Magic made up the difference and eventually grabbed the lead in the fourth quarter, Vince scored on finger rolls, and-ones, mid-range J’s, step-back threes and wide open catch-and-shoots. On one of VC’s coldest buckets, he made James Posey‘s knees buckle and his hand touch the ground before dropping a triple from the wing. In the final seconds Vince could have gone for 50, but even with the crowd egging him on, shook his head “No” and just let the clock run out … Different uniform for Emeka Okafor, same inability to handle Dwight Howard. Okafor only saw the court for nine minutes thanks to foul trouble, and Dwight ended up with 25 points, 12 boards and four blocks … At least Stan Van Gundy tried to dress nice this time, but the printed golf shirt doesn’t work when you put a jacket over it. When will the NBA do the right thing, put this man on “What Not to Wear” and give him a fighting chance? … Line of the night from Reggie Miller: “You can’t give them a Valentine’s Day love kiss and let them get an and-one!” … The last time the Lakers and Spurs met up, San Antonio won what seemed like a turnaround/statement game to signal the official “Our slow start is over” playoff push. After last night, the Spurs are back at Square One, trying to figure themselves out. Even with Kobe (ankle) and Andrew Bynum (hip) sitting out — L.A.’s trainers are encouraging Kobe to rest through the All-Star break — the Spurs could never take advantage and lost a game they really should have won … Pau Gasol got all the touches he could ask for (8-20 FG, 5-5 FT) and finished with 21 points, 19 boards, eight dimes and five blocks. Do you think a team with Gasol as the No. 1 guy could be a contender in the League? … You could tell Shannon Brown was trying to fill Kobe’s role, but it didn’t quite work out for him. On his first touch Brown (8 pts, 3-13 FG) missed a layup, then later he lost his man on a pump-fake but airballed a jumper … There are understatements, and then there’s this line from Craig Sager: “Wilt Chamberlain, um, perhaps one of the greatest of all-time.” Yes, we’d go out on a limb and say Wilt might have been one of the best to ever do it. Maybe … Before the Mavs and Warriors tipped off in the Bay, one of G-State’s announcers said, “When it comes down to the fourth quarter, somehow Dallas gets a little spooked when they’re in Golden State.” For a while it looked like it wasn’t even going to come down to that, as Monta Ellis (27 pts, 4 stls) and Stephen Curry (25 pts, 9 asts) caught Dallas napping and went up double digits in the first quarter. But in the fourth, the Mavs dominated behind Jason Terry (36 pts, 6 threes, 9 asts) and Drew Gooden (24 pts, 10 rebs) and pulled out a win … When the Bucks were at MSG to play the Knicks recently, we got up with Jodie Meeks and Hakim Warrick to talk about why their former schools (Kentucky and Syracuse) are going to win the national championship. Come back to DimeMag.com later this morning to hear both guys in the debate … And you know with All-Star coming up, we’re going to be all over everything in Dallas. Not just on this site, but on Twitter and Facebook as well. Starting on Thursday, Dime will be All-Star central … People can be so stupid. The latest Super Bowl fallout is this story about Peyton Manning walking off the field without shaking hands with Drew Brees, a reminder of the overblown LeBron/Orlando story. So again we ask, who exactly is Manning supposed to shake hands with to make everything OK? If he shook hands with Tracy Porter or one of New Orleans’ linebackers but not Brees, would this still be an issue? What if he shook hands with N.O.’s defensive coordinator, or with Reggie Bush? Why does it have to be Brees? And besides, have you seen the field at the end of a Super Bowl? As soon as the clock hits zero, there’s 9,000 people on the field. And what about the other 50 players on the Colts? Did they shake an adequate amount of hands? We saw the same dumb story line with LeBron last year and it gets dumber every time … We’re out like Valentine’s Day love kisses …

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  • K Dizzle

    @ Ranger

    ok, lol, we can do this all day but I’m just gonna make some points but I ain’t expectin to change your mind.

    1) I don’t know what “assists only go so far” means. Gasol had 8, Tim had 1. Lakers shot .437 Spurs shot .427.
    Lakers took 2 more 3 point shots and made 2 more 3 point shots. Jefferson missed 7 shots, but Shannon missed 10 shots, Ron missed ten shots. Tim hasn’t had 8 assists all season so I don’t know how u say he matches at all.

    2) Obviously, Duncan didn’t play as many minutes as Pau, mostly cuz he hardly ever plays more than 34-35 minutes and obviously with two starters in Kobe and AB out, there’s minutes to be had and 4 Laker starters played more minutes than Tim anyways.

    3) I’m not gonna sit here and pretend Duncan played his best, but Pau definitely did. Duncan didn’t have a more efficient game cuz obviously Gasol did lore with his possessions. He wouldn’t have matched Pau’s numbers because the Lakers did play better and we talkin triple double for Pau if Ron and Shannon hit the kickouts. Parker disappeared after a great start, the shooters weren’t hittin and we rarely doubleteamed Tim. Shoot, he scored 3 buckets in the last 1:30 when the game was already wrapped up otherwise it’s a ten point night.

    4) If the Lakers had lost, it would still have been a great effort. No Kobe, no Bynum. Spurs beat us last time and now they comin in fully healthy. I was just happy to be in the game. When everybody started steppin up their game, then it got interestin.

    5) I knew you’d fall back on the reffing, but it’s obvious that the Lakers are the more aggressive team now. Even in that 20 point loss in San An, Lakers shot 15 of 16 freebies(no Kobe in the 4th- Bynum beastin) while the Spurs only went 4-11…..at home, but then those are just facts lol

    I ain’t mad. I don’t expect any props for Gasol after a dominant night against the Spurs from a Spurs fan.
    See ya in the playoffs
    I’m out

  • http://dimemag.com Austin Burton

    So according to a lot of you, zero baseball players are good sportsmen. Because they never shake hands after a game.

  • LakeShow84

    @ AB

    Man come on.. YOU CANNOT COMPARE LEBRON’S ACTIONS TO OTHER PLAYERS..

    The main issue here is that when he is winning Lebron is on the sidelines, on the court, in ur huddle doing some “How does it feel” to lose dance.. I aint never seen Coco crisp in the outfield doing the Macarena.. i’ve never seen Peyton riverdancing on his way to another win over Houston..

    Plain and simple.. NO ONE IS SPORTS ACTS LIKE LEBRON except maybe a few boxers.. there is no comparison.. like someone said, Superbowl thousands of people run out onto the field.. ECF you got time to give props.. especially if the refs treated you like god and you were damn near getting fixed calls..

    And to top it off Peytons explanation for it was WAY BETTER than “well im a winner and i dont want to congratualate someone after they beat me”..

    LBJ still has no excuses on that one, PU$$Y..

  • kudos

    Who the fuk cares about baseball. One team is sitting in a bunker and the other is out on the field, kinda different from 5-on-5 and your boy(at least in mcdonalds commercial) is right next you. That’s like saying marathon runner’s must not be good sportsmen, if they dont shake each other’s hands. Makes no sense, and makes you look dumb. -

  • control

    Anyone find it ironic that just after LeBron bitches out of the dunk contest, he’s filming commercials about a dunk contest?

  • http://dimemag.com Austin Burton

    What do you mean nobody else acts like LeBron? Have you seen a football game lately? Guys are on the sidelines mugging for the cameras, dancing, plotting Gatorade showers, pretending to call the President (Shannon Sharpe is hilarious), all kinds of celebratory stuff. NBA players clown and joke around on the bench when they’re comfortably ahead, too, from the scrubs to the superstars. Baseball players play pranks on each other during the game.

    You have to put yourself in LeBron or Manning’s position. When you play pickup ball, isn’t it more fun when you’re winning versus when you’re losing? Losing is frustrating, and frustrated people do things like not shake hands. And with the LBJ thing, like I asked back then, would this be an issue if he’d shook Mickael Pietrus’ hand and not Dwight Howard’s? Why does it have to be superstar-to-superstar?

    And keep in mind, Brees nor Dwight made a big deal out of it. If the “dissed” player doesn’t care, why do you?

  • rainman10

    I have no respect for someone who says Rondo is the worst shooter in the league.

  • control

    rainman10

    Then you have no respect for stats. Or Rondo’s mom, even she says he’s the worst shooter in the league.

    Might have to refine the statement slightly, worst shooter in the league who gets more than 5mpg. There might be some 12th or 15th man on a roster somewhere with two broken arms or no fingers or something that shoots slightly worse than Rondo.

  • http://twitter.com/therealknowbody GABRIEL BROGDEN

    PEYTON SAYS (according to Lakeshow84) -
    “Well im a winner and i dont want to congratulate someone after they beat me..”

    LEBRON SAYS (according to Yahoo Sports)-
    “Shaking hands is not a big deal to me. It’s not being a sore loser, it’s moving on. Sometimes people want you to accept losing and I’ll never accept losing.”

    It seems those two are on the same page.

    And after I get beat on the black top that makes 3 on the same page.

    No matter how LOUD I was screaming on the court, no matter how many TAUNTS I threw out there, no matter how many times I mouthed the F word at your teams’ direction, no matter how hoarse my voice may be, no matter if I’m playing against my family, if I LOSE there’s a GREAT chance that Pops gets NO DAP.
    No dap at all.

    F*** SHAKING HANDS!

    Shaking Hands after Heartwrenching Losses = OVER-RATED.

  • LakeShow84

    Yeah but your talking about Touchdown celebrations bruh.. your talking about making a big pick and heading back to the sidelines to celebrate.. and plus thats on the sidelines.. Football is way different from Bball.. in a good football year u might get what 4-5 TD ALL YEAR?? Hell yeah you celebrate or do your endzone celebration.. and did the other sideline even catch a glimpse of Sharpe (lol) callin the president?? nah he was buried on his sideline.. he didnt take the red phone onto the field and do that shit..

    Now if u shooting FT’s (#1,235,154th of ur career) there aint no reason for showboating ON THE COURT..

    Your talkin DURING the game FOOTBALL GAME AB.. im talkin AFTER the football game.. You think Belichek has ever wanted to shake Mangini’s hand?? or anyone elses for that matter?? but he fights his way through reporters AND DOES IT..

    Lebron and Dwight are boys.. even colder.. if you can show no sportmanship when u winning then try to show a little when u lose.. otherwise your a spoiled ass brat.. plain and simple.. dont make him less of a ball player hes just a spoiled kid with no respect..

    And i always give my props to my boy if he bests me in a pickup game.. NO MATTER WHAT.. and im a cutthroat competitor..

  • http://www.WhyCandaceWhySheldon.thatbastard.com Chicagorilla

    @Austin,

    I don’t get on LBJ too much for not shaking hands, but its an unwritten rule. Every game I watch from College all the way down to little league both teams shake hands. Even when Duke ran up the score in UNC’s buidling Matt Daugherty still shook Rat Faces hands, (discounting the time Dean Smith wanted to fight him).

    It’s just a rule in sports. One that you aren’t supposed to break when you are the face of the L.

    As a coach, I’ve had to shake several coaches hands who I would much rather have put blood in his mouth instead. I don’t want to send the wrong message to the kids I coach.

    @control,
    I just saw that commerical with LBJ and D12…it was terrible. I mean really terrible. It looked like a action movie that hadn’t spent enough money the CGI portion of the movie.

    @DIME, Lakeshow, KDizzle, and any Kobe/LBJ supporters

    At the end of VC’s game when he had the ball with only 20 secs or so left, he dribbled out the clock and shook his head “No” to the crowd as they encouraged him to get his 50. Would Lebron or Kobe have made it a point to get that 50?

  • LakeShow84

    @ Brogden

    *Sighs*

    i was talking Lebrons letter to Dwight when he brought he was a winner and its to accept losing.. I didnt say Peyton said that my man..

  • LakeShow84

    @ AB

    Let me ask you first before i give my answer.. Do you think Kobe wouldve went for 50??

  • LakeShow84

    Oh that was Chitown lol

    ChiTown you think Kobe wouldve went for 50??

  • control

    From personal experience, I have gotten in fights with guys and then shook their hand after the game…of course I have never played in the ECF or Superbowl. It really isn’t a big deal if he’s all pissy about losing and doesn’t shake hands, really. I’d rather see a guy pissed about losing than be like Vince Carter, laughing and joking…

  • http://www.rmef.com rangerjohn

    kdizzle
    the assists only go so far because all it is is a pass, the passer has little control after he lets the ball lose. the passer leaves it up to the receiver to make a shot. the assist number could have easily been the other way around, but then we have RJ who cant hit the broad side of his mommas ass right now.

    how can you say pau was more efficient, he shot 8 of 20 and duncan shot 8-17. duncan had zero ft attempts to paus 5. that said they both had 16 points and duncan had his 16 on 17 shots, in 33 minutes, pau had his 16 on 20 shots in 46 minutes, that is called efficiency.

    no duncan did not have his best game, and pau did play about as good as he could, they where both played pretty much man up and not doubled much. as for triple doubles, i dont put much faith in any of them when they include assists as i do not feel they are a single persons accomplishment. had he had one including blocks or steals great, thats why you dont see those types of TDs much, it is hard for a single person to do.

    as for “falling back on the refs” i qualified that statement 2 ways, 1) are the refs suspect in the league? yes they are after the tim troubles. 2)i also said maybe it was just the way the game was played.

    i give pau his props, i did not knock him i only took exception to another persons post suggesting that just because pau had better numbers he was the “default” best pf in the league which is just not true. no knock on pau, just a knock on the notion that he is actually better then duncan, in which he is not. not yet anyway. maybe next year he can take that title who knows.

  • http://twitter.com/therealknowbody GABRIEL BROGDEN

    Don’t pay me no mind, Lakeshow.

    It seems the spurs mascot has reeled some of y’all in, i’m tempted to say something like I’d take Pau as my power forward than Tim.

    You know the more I think about it, the more I realize I would pick Pau over Timmie right now. ZBO over Timmie right now. Maybe.

  • zephyr

    for the one millionth time, stop riding lebron’s dick..
    one more lebron nut hugging i think i’m not going back here anymore. biased journalism.

  • the cynic

    why does anyone care if lebron or peyton shake hands? this isn’t peewee football, its the superbowl. It really looked like Brees was crushed he couldn’t find Peyton, he was looking all over, but gosh darnit he just couldn’t find him. Guess he’ll just have to settle with celebrating with 50 other teammates and 1000 strangers

  • http://www.WhyCandaceWhySheldon.thatbastard.com Chicagorilla

    @Lakeshow

    Yes I think Kobe goes for the 50, but he would have been intuned enough with his point total that he would have made sure he had gotten fouled a few plays before that so he could get to the line and knock out two more FT’s for the 50peices. Lets not forget his 81 point outing… i mean about 30 of those points were after his team had a big lead.

    I do not think Lebron would have done it though. Not because he’s a better character guy, just because he doesn’t care about scoring like that. He would have danced another jigg instead.

  • http://dimemag.com Austin Burton

    1. I don’t think Kobe would have gone for 50. In that exact situation, with the game in hand and the Hornets clearly giving up, the only guys I could see going for the easy dunk and 50 would be Nate Robinson, Ricky Davis, or somebody else who might never get 50 again in their life.

    2. LakeShow, I’m not talking about post-TD dances, I’m talking about late in a game when they show a football sideline and the winning team is celebrating. It’s very common, moreso in college than the NFL, but still common in the NFL.

  • LakeShow84

    @ ChiTown

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..

    Think back earlier that year when Kobe outscored Dallas by himself through 3 quarters and sat the Final quarter because the game was well in hand.. Kobes said it himself that wouldve been a special night had he played the 4th but PHIL sat him and he had no problems with it.. if anything he was cheesin on the bench, not dancing mind you.. then the media labeled him as “selfish” for not turning the screws on Dallas.. Try to remember that..

    Lebron?? Dont know about points but ive seen him hustle for an unneccessary rebound in a blowut to finish a triple double.. and when i say not neccessary i mean he had teammates around for the rebound and damn near fought through them for it.. And then get on TV and say he didnt care about the triple double..

    Just saying..

  • LakeShow84

    @ AB

    You know i was thinkg about what i said and remembered the Patriots doing the LIGHTS OUT dance when they bounced the Chargers and LT getting butt hurt about it.. that was straight nose rubbing lol.. Football is such an aggressive sport though.. Certain teams HATE each other.. basketball a few players might dislike each other but football is the machismo sport of our lifetimes..

    But to me bottom line is its an unwritten rule and Lebron isnt above that rule and NO ONE IS.. The Superbowl and even the Finals is a different story because there is so much celebrating and everyones goes bonkers.. Conference Finals you congratulate and wish the victor luck in the big game.. maybe not all that but u damn sure congratulate..

  • LakeShow84

    And there were no big leads with our 06′ team..

    Shit our 06′ team had a big lead in the 3-1 we had on Phoenix.. that didnt hold up..

  • LakeShow84

    @ Everyone saying Pau is better than TD..

    Please write the Spurs a letter and encourage such a trade.. id trade Pau’s youth for TD’s everything in a heart beat..

    Tim Duncan would not disappear in the playoffs playing off KB24..

    Quote it

  • Ian

    lakeshow
    damn kittles better than jefferson?? nah he was 2b on those nets team he played great without kidd also.

    “Tim Duncan would not disappear in the playoffs playing off KB24..”

    kobe wont disappear playin off duncan boom

  • LakeShow84

    @ Ian

    You get my point.. RJ is a wash bottom line..

    And i meant TD wouldnt have a Pau Gasol series..

    Shit please give us TD and lets replay that Boston Finals.. we take it 4-1..

  • http://dime eyes

    AB….Why try & make a comparison in the first place ? Damn
    2. Ur defending him like his momma. Not cool.
    3. Stop throwing jabs at Nate & Rickey D while blowing kisses at LBJ. It’s not even Valentine’s day.

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