Who’s Better: LeBron or D-Wade?
We argue. You decide.
LEBRON JAMES (by Austin Burton)
Remember when we weren’t sure if he’d get here? Back then, the King was still a kid, all promise and potential but still unproven to a League waiting to chew him up and spit him out like so many other failed phenoms. Back then, what made LeBron different from the other boy wonders was that he wasn’t the next Shaq or the next Mike or the next Larry: He was the next Magic, the one player who hadn’t yet had a “Next.”
Six and a half years into his pro career, LeBron is undeniably a legend in the making, only now his game is harder to peg. He’s a little bit of Magic, but also a little bit of Dominique, a little bit of Pippen, and, yes, a little bit of Jordan. And he’s a little bit better than the best the game has to offer. (Settle down: We’ll tackle the Kobe argument later.)
In the season following his first MVP, LeBron has improved. His 29.3 points and 8.2 assists per game, 50 percent shooting from the field and 35 percent from three are higher than last year’s numbers, while his free-throw shooting, rebounds, steals and blocks are only slightly lower. Meanwhile, his team — whose biggest addition is a nearly washed-up Shaq — has the best record in the East (39-11) going into tonight’s game against Miami and Dwyane Wade.
Let’s begin where LeBron is allegedly weak. Perimeter jumper? More consistent than Wade. Man-to-man defense? Stickier than Wade, plus LeBron can guard more positions. Free throws? Hitting them at a higher clip than Wade while getting to the line more often.
Wade wins the “clutch” category since he has a championship — I’ve even ranked him ahead of LeBron as an ideal go-to guy in crunch time. But consider this much: LeBron has never been knocked out in the first round of the playoffs, while Wade has done it twice in a row (’07 and ’09). Both players have higher postseason scoring averages than in the regular season, but LeBron’s increase is greater (1.7 ppg to 0.3 ppg), plus his career rebounding and assist numbers also go up in the playoffs, while Wade’s drop. In short, the numbers say LeBron steps his game up in the playoffs more than D-Wade.
But it is in the uniqueness of his game that gives LeBron the edge in my book as an all-around player. That Magic/’Nique/Scottie/Mike blend is a concoction unlike any we’ve ever seen. As much as I love D-Wade’s style and personality, I’ve seen D-Wades before. I saw him in Allen Iverson, who just lacked a little height and a little discipline. I saw him in Latrell Sprewell, who just lacked some humility and handle. I saw him in Baron Davis, who just lacked some durability and championship grit.
But LeBron? Never seen it before, and as far as I know, never seeing it again. And that is how he’ll ultimately become the “next Magic;” as a wholly unique player that can’t be duplicated, if often imitated.
(photo. Jeffery Salter)
DWYANE WADE (by Jack Jensen)
If you take away either of these players from their respective benches, I don’t see Miami or Cleveland winning more than twenty-odd games this year. Mo Williams, Michael Beasley and the O’Neal boys are great complementing pieces, respectively, but not anything that can still shoulder a team. Both James and Wade have become centerpiece fixtures of the NBA and two of its biggest marketing giants … blah, blah, blah. Who would I rather watch battle on a nightly basis for my squad? Either would make me happy and either is going to scrap (or dance) to the last possession to win games. Now which one would I rather root for? Which one would I rather have right now? I’m going to go against the perception that everyone at Dime jocks LeBron like the second coming and take Dwyane.
For me, a lot of what I think makes Wade special is how he handles situations; he is who he is. He’s not going to waltz on the court one-two stepping, he’s not going to string people along for a dunk contest we all know he won’t take part in and he’s not going to bring his ego into play. Wade, for all of the GQ and Hollywood lifestyle he has embraced off the court, is still all business on it.
From early on, like James, Wade has proven that he can win when it matters. In his third season in the League, he helped bring Miami a ring in 2006. The following year, James was swept in his only Finals appearance, while Wade dealt with the first of many nagging injuries he’s endured in his career. Coming back from what some believed might turn into a Penny Hardaway-like situation, Wade has regained his swagger from multiple knee problems to win Olympic Gold, an NBA scoring title and become Michael Jordan’s new right hand man. Wade is not only one of the most dynamic players to watch play, he’s willing to sacrifice his body and personal accolades to battle each and every night. His work ethic is unmatched and he’s proven that he can handle any situation that arises.
In this heavyweight matchup, Wade does have his low points. Stat-wise, LeBron takes the cake this season across the board. Both are also generally equal in terms of worth to their respective teams and neither have a consistently dominant big man to complement the frontcourt. The 6-4 Wade is averaging 27 points and just over six dimes a game on the year; James — who has the ball in his hands more than Wade — is racking up over 29 and eight through 50 games. Cleveland also rests atop the Central division with a record of 39-11, while Miami is wallowing with inconsistencies at 24-25 on the year — good enough for fourth in the Southeast.
Really, you can’t go wrong between these two. Both are going to be tearing up the League for years to come and we’ll see if LeBron can deliver on the Cavs great start this season with a Chip. With all of these stats and Dime-love reputation weighing in, I’m still taking Wade on this one.
Who do you think is better?
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February 4th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Raj S says:
Lebron James is better. Period.
February 4th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
12thMan says:
I think the only time this argument is ever close would be last year when Wade was putting up those INSANE numbers
otherwise it just has to be Lebron
February 4th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
hahns says:
i didnt know this was a debate.
February 4th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
K-Dub says:
Lebron. Hands Down.
February 4th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Andy says:
I gotta go with Dwyane Wade here.
February 4th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Boombaby says:
Well I could say that I am a Lebron fan but I cannot just say that Wade is better. I like the fact that those two players are highly competitive. But I bet that Lebron is better in the years to come. Wade already had an injury early in his career that would come as an issue in the future knowing the physicality of the game. I guess time will just tell who will favor the two. My bet is that Lebron will come on top.
February 4th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
markofresh says:
really now? Its pretty obvious its the King
February 4th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
CTP says:
I prefer watching D Wade.. That isn’t saying I think he’s better.
February 4th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Rizwan says:
As much as I love D Wade, LeBron is the better player. Not because of that bull about better numbers in the playoffs, when D Wade carried Miami to a chip against a team that beat San Antonio on route to the finals whilst LeBron no showed the finals against a year older San Antonio, but because I cant deny he is the better overall player. Across the board he does so much more.
February 4th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Mike Honcho says:
I think we need to stop comparing James to these guards who are like at least 3 inches shorter than him and don’t play the same position. While I can hate on LBJ with the best of them, the boy got skills and you can’t deny that. We’ve never seen anyone with his natural talent in the league before, that was so polished.
My man Wade just seems to keep refining his game each season. Developing a J, getting better on D and becoming a leader.
James needs to be compared to Melo, because height wise, weight wise, etc, you’ve got an even matchup.
Now, with that said…in my opinion, WADE IS BETTER. Period.
Wade doesn’t have the same physical attributes as LBJ. He doesn’t have the ball as much as LBJ. BUT, he CONTINUES to put up LBJ numbers season after season, game after game. If LBJ is really that dominant a player, then Kobe, Wade, and other guards, shouldn’t be putting up comparable numbers. LBJ has more opportunities to just destroy cats, but, while he does destroy cats, he’s lacking something that Wade has. LBJ should/could be averaging a double double with boards and points, because of his position, but Wade is still compared to him
February 4th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
crimewave says:
@CTP…co-sign
Lebron is a better player…but I’d much rather watch Wade play, and I’d much rather have him represent my team
February 4th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
control says:
LeBron is obviously better, that really can’t be debated. Jack said in his argument for Wade that he has “become Michael Jordan’s new right hand man” while LeBron has become his own brand.
They are both obviously great players, but LeBron’s ability to be a play maker puts him over the top by quite a bit.
February 4th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
logicle says:
Is this some kind of joke?? D-wade hands down, lebron’s gotta stacked team that he can’t take very far in the playoffs. Dwade has beasley, haslem, who else??
Are there just lebron nut huggers commenting right now? The only time lebron made it to the finals was with a team full of 5 former all-stars…and they got swept. Hilarious.
February 4th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
ProphetGK says:
Tough call, LeBron’s athleticism is ridiculous, and Wade makes more circus shots than someone actually in the circus. I’d give the slightest edge to LeBron because A) He’s Younger and has more time to get even better which is scary and B) Ask anyone in the league, they would take guarding Wade over LBJ, just so they don’t get run over..
February 4th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
logicle says:
by the way ‘man to man defense, lebrons is stickier??’
Besides his lil behind the player block, how is lebron’s d better?? His team d is still horrible, don’t even get me started if lebron’s gonna guard you 1-on-1. He’ll give you 3 feet to do what ever you want. laughable.
February 4th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
dagwaller says:
Laugh…I like D Wade off the court more these days, but on the court? Please.
February 4th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Skeez says:
Look I know Im biased in this debate considering im a Heat fan but this shouldn’t even be a debate until after this season. Until LBJ gets a chip I gotta go w/ D-Wade. And Im with Honcho….You cant compare a 2 and a …. Especially one that has a 5 in. height difference.
February 4th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Gino says:
Its funny how we forget so far. Wade has always proven hiself. He won a championship– singled handedly. Unlike Lebron & Cavs; Any MEANINGFUL game the Heats won was because of Wade. Cavs team is a much better team then Wade ever had on the Heats. Last year, Wade was the best player in the NBA. HIS STATS said it all!!! Wade was suppose to be first all defensive team. He ranked 2 in steals, had more blocks then alot of centers including Lebron. And he was great on defensive end, better than Lebron. So even if Wade plays better he still won’t get his props because NBA, Nike and all you columnist are BIAS!
February 4th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Why is it obvious its Lebron people??
Dwade has a championship and a Finals MVP.. plus hes already showed he can drop #’s with the best of them..
Ill say Lebron but that has more to do with the Heat and their level of play and Dwade has cooled off from last years horrific assault on the league..
Put Lebron on the Heat and they’d probably have around the same record (Please argure against that).. Put Dwade on the Cavs and they still contenders.. dont know about the record but they still contenders..
February 4th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
Spliff 2 My Lou says:
I’d say it’s pretty even as far as want you want from a basketball player. Obviously Lebron is a freak of nature athletically and has practically no history of injury. Wade on the other hand gets by on pure skill and determination but is seemingly breaking down more and more each season.(Although I blame that on him having to carry his team on his back)
At this point in their careers I’d say you can’t wrong with either one on your team but as far as the future is concerned I would take Lebron if I could only choose one.
P.S. Sorry Dwayne. We still want you in a Bulls jersey next season though…
February 4th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
Boombaby says:
This guy is funny (Mike Honcho) why cant we compare the two? There are comparisons.. Back in the days, Micheal Jordan was compared to Magic and Bird, they have different positions so why cant we compare Wade and Lebron?
February 4th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
Mike Honcho says:
I agree with Iogicle about LBJ’s D…..when’s the FIRST time he’s guarded the other team’s best player? Everyone got so hype over LBJ guarding Wade for ONE possession when they played…..
Wade does it all, including the “I’ll Make Sports Center by running pace by pace with my man and get a highlight block so that everyone will think I’m a better defensive player than I really am” block…
February 4th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
Gino says:
This year is the final year of Wade’s contract. His team isn’t really giving him a reason to take the extra step. He can’t give his team everything until they prove to be dependable. Hence, he’s still giving them 27 points without even trying. So imagine if these guys start making shots and make better decisions.
February 4th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
thenatural says:
I have to agree with every person in this post that you can’t compare the two. From a position standpoint these guys are both the best at their respective positions, but comparing LBJ and Flash is like comparing fake boobs to real boobs. They’re both amazing, but both are different and one clearly has the edge over the over (you decide which one that is).
February 4th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Blue says:
D-Wade…All damn day!!!!
Better and more creative scorer.
Better passer and facilitator.
Willing to put his body on the line.
Better jump shooter.
Can block just as well as Lebron, if not better.
God forbid if Lebron ever gets hurt, people are gonna give up on him just like they did Wade. Wade single-handedly willed his team to a chip…and don’t give me this ‘the refs gave it to them’ bullshit.
February 4th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
red kangaroo8 says:
Why would you even post this?? Lebron and Kobe are in a league of their own! No one else is getting in that league. D-wade, Carmello, Dwight Howard, Paul Pierce, etc. are in their own league but NO ONE comes close to comparing to Lebron or Kobe…period.
February 4th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
Kermit The Washington says:
This is the debate that should be happening. Not Bron vs. Kobe. It’s Bron vs. DWade. And I think they’re neck and neck, with DWade getting the upper hand for now because of single-handedly winning a chip.
February 4th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Big V says:
Jensen’s argument is too subjective. AB put down a very cogent and insightful analysis.
Lebron wins this debate, and rightfully so.
February 4th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
Big V says:
The other thing that nobody really touched upon is durability. How many games has LBJ missed relative to Wade?
February 4th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
Mike Honcho says:
@ Boombaby…Magic wasn’t holding a huge weight and height advantage on Jordan and they played the same position (Guards)…plus Jordan was the LBJ back then….meaning he came in a changed the game while the vets were getting old, but still holding their own
My point wasn’t necessarily abuot the position standpoint…it was moreso from the point of view that LBJ is in a position where he can get more boards, more dimes, more whatever, so he should be killing everyone else statistically, but he’s not. Wade is right there with him and when they go head-to-head, they match up evenly stat wise.
Just like back in the day, Magic took advantage of being a point, by dominating (HIS comparisons) in assists, Bird did it with his shot, Jordan just did it, LOL, etc….LBJ is doing it his way off the court, but I just don’t see him taking advantage, from a basketball IQ standpoint, on the court…..he’s still relying on his raw skill too much for me
February 4th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Dan says:
I Go with the miami heat getting wade some help.. Jeez.
February 4th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
Think says:
This is comical. LeBron. It’s not even close. He’s better than D-Wade (who is great in his own right), in every possible category.
February 4th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
Big V says:
I could understand if we were talking about a PG and a C, but there’s not that much of a difference (especially nowadays) between a SF and a SG.
I think you definitely CAN compare the two because they’re being asked to do basically the same thing for their respective teams.
February 4th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Lol For someone named think you certainly say some anti-thought shit..
In every possible category?? So James is a better ball handler?? A better shooter?? a better onball defender??
How about the, dare i say it, clutch factor??
I think you need to raise your hand next time..
February 4th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
LakeShow84 says:
@ Big V
So i take it u didnt read the BEING A GOOD 20-30 LBS LIGHTER and 3-4 INCHES SHORTER line??
Yeah cuz that definetely makes a good difference..
Im just saying..
February 4th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Tega says:
I’m probably the biggest Wade fan on the planet, and my reason for this is Dwyane Wade was never supposed to be D-Wade. That we know him as Flash and he’s now Michael Jordan’s right hand man is a testament to his hard work and dedication. After Kobe, Wade’s the hardest working man in the L.
With that being said from a purely analytical GM standpoint, if I were building a team today I would have to go with LeBron, he’s younger, a physical specimen, and still has limitless potential. I would then hope that he takes a break from becoming a Brand and dancing on the court to work on a post game and man-to-man defense.
With all his God-given tools and ability, it speaks volumes that LeBron still can’t definitevely be called the best player in the game today.
February 4th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
sean says:
Lebron is a great player nodoubt, with that type of size and ability to only get better, all I could say is “WOW”. But D WADE is special man. Not that Magic or Bird special,
not that Dominique or Pippen special, but that Kobe and Michael special. People seem to be hypnotised on Lebrons hype, I blame the NBA and ESPN for that, it seems that people can’t except that there is another highly skilled player gracing the hardwoods of the NBA. True ballers recognize WADE, people caught up in camera flashes love Lebron. Even in the 03 draft Toronto,Denver,and Detroit are still kicking themselves for passing up on him. Even the living legend himself cosigns Wades ability. Give Wade the lights and hype that Lebron recieves, then will people see true greatness.
February 4th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
John says:
The Big “O” is the only comp. Same size, maybe same speed and complete package, scoring, assists and rebounds. Wade is not that close to LeBron at this point.
February 4th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
atomic says:
LeBron is better because he is younger, more durable and just plain larger physically. But I don’t think it is a completely insane notion to think that D-Wade plays the most attractive style of basketball. LeBron has great skill, but he is a power dribbler, while Kobe is certainly an all time great and tremendously effective, but D-Wade is the only guy I see who plays with feline grace. When his jumper is falling (I think it is more consistent than LeBron), its like he is just playing basketball. Not a 2-guard, not a 1-guard, but just plain, pure basketball, irrespective of positions and paradigms.
February 4th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
Chicagorilla says:
If I was starting a team, to compete for years to come, I’d probably chose Lebron over DWade…slightly
But in the case that I need to win this year…give me DWade every time.
Handles: Wade>LBJ
Jumper: Wade> LBJ
finishing at rim: tie
Clutch: Wade>LBJ
Passing: LBJ>Wade
playmaking:Wade>LBJ …yes this is different from passing
Leadership: Wade >>>>LBJ
Freakish athletic ability: LBJ>>Wade
Man to man Defense: Wade> LBJ
Help D: LBJ>Wade
BBall IQ: Wade>LBJ
By my count Wade has him beat overall right now.
~LBJ doesn’t have leadership skills right now. That Dancing and acting a fool, not the guy i want leading my team. ~Wade is about getting the W at all cost
~Has the attack of a pit bull in him
~Built like linebacker to absorb punishment and dish it out (LBJ is built like the hulk though!)
~Finishes at the rim like LBJ while being 4 inches shorter and 50lbs lighter
~Mid-range jumper is wet, not Ray allen like, but top level because you can’t guard him too close so he ends up shooting wide open jumpers
~DWade gets a block a game at 6’4, while also getting 2stls a game, and has the ability to shut you down, LBJ has shutdown some, but concerns himself more with scoring and helpside D, which isn’t bad it’s just not better than DWade
~Playmaking vs Passing: LBJ has vision like a PG (I actually think this is his best position), but Wade not only can pass, he does a better job of setting up his teammates for easy baskets. LBJ Draws attn then kicks it to the wide open guy who has no choice but to shoot, Wade kicks it to the RIGHT person who then may swing the ball around to the wide open player for a easy lay-up. It’s goes to LBJ low IQ and Wade high IQ
~speaking of BBall IQ. Wade kills bron in this category. If Wade has LBJ’s body with his own brain he’d dominate like nothing you seen before, while if Bron had Wades body…he’d be Harold Minor. It’s that simple.
February 4th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Tega says:
@Chicagorilla, Harold Minor? Damn homie that’s harsh, though I agree Wade in Bron’s body would be something the likes of which we have never seen.
February 4th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Chicagorilla says:
Question: Is the Ford Edge a female car?
February 4th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Prof. TX says:
I’ll take Wade in this one. I don’t need to repeat the reasons that people have already said.
February 4th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Chicagorilla says:
@Tega,
Ok I may have exaggerated a bit with Harold Minor, but I don’t think LBJ would be an all-star if he was 6’4 220lbs. He’d be in the NBa Though but a lot of what he does is because of his size, speed, hops, not because of his skills.
February 4th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Tega says:
@Chicagorilla, you’re preaching to the choir.
I’m actually impressed that that Wade’s getting his proper respect from so many people in the comments section. Is it just me or does anyone else feel like Jack Jensen made a weak-ass argument for Wade?
February 4th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Mike Mihalow says:
Obviously LeBron
February 4th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Lebron James = Beyonce
Dwayne Wade = Alicia Keys
lol
February 4th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
eyes says:
A big aid in this conversation. Is the N.B.A. marketing machine. How could Wade be in the conversation & he doesn’t even have a MVP puppet. What he did upon entering the league going to the playoffs 3 straight I believe in the east & making L.O. & Skip relevant again. All while beating a healthy pacer & Baron davis lead squad. Winning a ring his 3rd year in. Forget the refs & him having a old broken down team. The mere fact that he got there is a testament to him. The Cavs are better than the Heat at every position & still struggle to beat them convincingly.
He got to the finals with everyone injured. Stern says he’s the best. This site says he’s the best. Everyone except the players & Bron himself know that he’s not the best. Not yet at least. Had Lebron had a ring & Wade didn’t forget about it. Wade’s ring doesn’t even count to some people. All the Hype surrounding last years Cleveland run. Where did it go. He almost got swept by an upstart Magic team. That’s terrible. Remember the Heat almost got Mo Williams. They should have went after Skip & Steven Jackson this year. Wade makes anybody go.
Also lets stop with the better overall player. Overall skills doesn’t automatically equate to better player. Melo,Joe Johnson,& Gilbert do more things than Wade & Lebron both. Doesn’t mean they’re better. In most of the politically correct eyes. Lebron is the obvious answer. Yet I still think he has a ways to go given everything he has working in his favor.
He could have easily been co rookie of the year his 1st year or not won it at all. The Hype had a lot to him having to win that over Carmelo. The Wizards would have won had the refs made the correct calls on Lebron. He wouldn’t have made the finals had Wade,Vince/Kidd, & Gilbert had been healthy. Also the year he beat the Pistons they were already on their downfall. Weren’t the same Pistons of old.
Lastly if it weren’t for Turkolou being afraid to blow on Lebron for that 3. They would have gotten swept in every deciding playoff series he’s been in. That doesn’t spell Greatness to me. Let the #”s tell it though. He’s the best thing to ever enter the league. I don’t care that we’ve never seen a talent like this before. THat’s all the better for Bron but what isn’t. WHen you could do no wrong. You know how easy. Try overcoming when you could do no right & have no hype. Everything that Wade & Melo & Gilbert have accomplished over the years. Are all considered afterthoughts in the media & N.B.A suits eyes. From more Televised games his rookie season. To the campaign he’s gotten for not even being in the Dunk Contest. Like people really want to see him compete. Also I’d wear Jordans the rest of my life over Lebron’s anyday. Barkley’s,Penny’s,A.I’s, & even LJ’s throwbacks before I go Lebron Koo Koo for Cocoa Puffs. Be your own judge. Don’t just watch sportscenter or listen to all the analysts. They’re all conditioned to think and be PRO LEBRON. They’ve even put the chase down Block in 2K11.
West: Kobe
Magic says: Kobe
Mike: Wade
Isiah:???
Bird:???
Kareem:????
Oscar:?????
Penny:?????
Shaq: Wade but really means Kobe
What do the past greats think collectively & What do their peers think currently? Do a real survey & you’d be surprised. Lebron is Great but he isn’t the greatest talent ever like some would like to believe. I’d even like to ask players from NY,Chi,DC,ATL,LA,SEA,HOU,Cle-Collectively what they think.
February 4th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
Mike Honcho says:
Well put Chicagorilla
February 4th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
SparkyJay23 says:
One has a ring and the other got swept.
Come back to me when LeBron wins some games that mean something.
Lebron sells products which is why Dime love him so i get that.
February 4th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
eyes says:
@34..Anti-thought(Hilarious) Bathroom Break funny
@35..People don’t understand/factor the disparity in size
@36.Preach-Hope bron bron or Jay Z/4horsemen is listening
@37.Cupid man/Cupid. TRUE BALLERS(They must of forgot)
@40.. I missed you man. You lost me with the X.Henry stuff. I peeped game last night. Still don’t see but your analysis be crazy sometimes. Nuff respect
@42..Chi you jabbing at my man BJ. It’s economical & he’s thinking about that damn supposed lockout. I hope he got the sport one with the kit. He said he had beat & some rims. Give him a break. LOL. I would have just gotten the Lincoln. He probably got it for free. To answer your question no it’s not a chick whip or a PT Cruiser-Which might be the foulest vehicle the past few yrs.
February 4th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Monkey Nutz says:
Really??? You clowns actually asked this question???
February 4th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
sans says:
AUSTIN,
there needs to be a correction in your argument:
THE CAVS HAVE THE BEST RECORD IN THE LEAGUE
not just the East. The whole League.
February 4th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
KT says:
LeBron. Now please stop this pointless discussion.
Maybe Carmelo vs. D-Wade. But this one is a waste of typing.
February 4th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
Claw says:
I’m trying to figure out how Lebron’s stats are not up to Wades:
Who’s better?
3PT% 36%, FG 50% FT 77% – Pts 29.3 Rb 7.1 Assists 8.2
3PT% 31%, FG 47% FT 76% – Pts 27.0 Rb 4.6 Assists 6.3
Yes Lebron is better in all those categories including FT% which surprised me as I thought Wade was in the 80s.
Wade does have slightly more steals and less turnovers but Lebron is better in nearly every other category.
Also don’t give me the Heat have such a terrible supporting cast. Jermaine is better (though close) than Shaq/Z, Haslem is better than Hickson, and Beasley has more talent than anybody on the Cavs but Mo is better than Alston.
Then the chips come up, if that’s the case Robert Horry is one of the top 20 players of all time. Also was it Wade or Dirk wilting like a little byiatch that got them the chip?
I love Wade, he’s a warrior but cmon LBJ is better right now.
February 4th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
Claw says:
@eyes – so Magic & West say Kobe, the best Laker of all time picks a Laker and the guy that traded for him picked him, that’s just incredible.
MJ- Wade is rocking his line and he chose Wade, again great insight.
Can we interview Kobe and Wade’s mom next? I was going to say Kobe’s wife but she might not pick him.
February 4th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
Dagger says:
Lebron’s head and shoulders above the rest of the league.
February 4th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Bizz says:
Totally flawed argument here for LBJ, and it was a terribly argued side on behalf of Wade. LBJ’s “J”(jumper) should be called a “?”(he has a jumper?), because that mid-range game is suspect at best.
As gifted as LeBron is, when the game is on the line, for the most part, Wade is the better player, despite the fact he threw that retarded behind the back pass that caused the last loss. LeBron has far more at his disposal this season than Wade does, and LeBron typically matches up with people his size, who don’t match his speed, or smaller players with his speed, but not his size. So I agree that Wade vs. LeBron is not a fair comparison unless it’ll be argued properly, put LeBron vs. Carmelo and we’ll have a real debate.
February 4th, 2010 at 6:25 pm
wifey says:
if D-Wade had LeHYPE hype, then he’d be way better in the common kids eyes.
Wade’s got a title lebron doesnt. lol
February 4th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
Andy says:
lol @ all the people saying “obviously LeBron”
So in other words they’re saying;
“Obviously I’ll take the guy who can’t win his city a championship.”
When you guys say obvious, your implying that LeBron is 100000X better then Wade…which isn’t the case.
February 4th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
yoda says:
” His work ethic is unmatched and he’s proven that he can handle any situation that arises.”
unmatched work ethic? have you ever heard about kobe bryant? that dude everyone on dream team called insane because of his working habits? guy who gets up at 5:30 and goes to gym?
February 4th, 2010 at 6:57 pm
nba insider says:
Im take wade over james. Im tired of hearing that its james vs kobe and its there league. Wade is right with kobe and james as the best player in the nba argument but the media doesnt want that cause the heat arent contenders. Wades putting up 27pts 6 assist and 1.2 blocks(more then james and kobe) and hes not even playin his best ball right now!
February 4th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
LakeShow84 says:
@ Claw
Dude i stopped reading your post when u said JO is close enough to Shaq/Big Z.. Big Z MAYBE (even though Z’s J is way more consistent) but Jermaine cant hold Shaq’s jock..
And ur also saying Magic Johnson and Jerry West dont have an opinion on who the best player in the league is because said player happens to be a Laker??
DAMN.. thats bananas right there.. i just think you’d WANT to hear Lebron and anything else would be uncivilized right?? lol
February 4th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Oh and you left out Anthony Parker (solid), Anderson Varejao (Solid), Delonte West (solid) and Leon Powe (should still be solid)..
Just saying..
February 4th, 2010 at 7:27 pm
Ian says:
imo bron is the best player in the league
but u can make a case for either one from spots 1-4 in the league.
lakeshow you really think magics and west opinion has no bias at all? wow
laker fans get defensive in a weird way everytime we talk about bron here. people who cares which player says whos the best make you own pick (kobe , wade , bron , td , paul , melo range of course dont break out the adam morrisons) and theres plenty of shit to support your pick.
February 4th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
justlovethegame says:
l love both guys and their games but after reading everyone’s points and from all the games I’ve watched I’d have to go with Bron. l don care what he does off the court as long as it doesn’t land him in jail.
And DANG ‘Bron musta done SOMETHING to eyes. ‘dude seems to hate him with a passion
February 4th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Heckler says:
If Dwyane Wade had LeBron James size, I think you’d get the same production.
BUT…..
if LeBron only had Wades size, would he be able to put up the same comparable numbers?!!?
February 4th, 2010 at 8:01 pm
deeds says:
This is a joke right? LeBron
February 4th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
Jazz Man says:
Okay Okay Okay….We Would Be Better Off Comparing Tyreke Evans And Lebron Because They Are Similar Players. D-Wade Has Less To Work With And He Tends To Play D On The Best Player On The Opposing Team. Anybody Can Play Help Side D Or Come From Behind When You Have That Type Of Athleticism. Iverson Lead The League In Steals But He Played The Lanes And Not Man Up D, Like Let’s Say A Chauncey Billups. Does That Make Iverson A Better Devensive Player? No!! Lebron Is Talented But Hard Work Trumps That In The Long Run. Shooting: Wade, Passing: Lebron, Defense: Wade, Clutch Free Throws: Wade, Team Work: Lebron, Dance Moves: Lebron…LOL! If You Notice When Lebron Can’t Beat Someone Off The Dribble He Gets Back Close To Half Court And Charges His Way By Or Through The Defender…He Still Needs To Work On That Signature Move To Create Space…The Good Or Great Players Have One…Jordan, Kobe, Garnett, Paul Pierce(with pushing off though), Chris Paul, Steve Nash & Etc. In The End I Would Choose Wade, But Lebron Has A Better Chance To Correct This Problem More Than Correcting His Hair Line Issues (Cut It Off Before It Turns Into The George Jefferson Island)…I’ll Holla
February 4th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
sean says:
If youre talking about the straight excitement that follows this man every where he goes, theres no comparison
Bron wins hands down. Wade being in the conversation, shows just how remarkable this guys game has become.
February 4th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
kingralf says:
I don´t like Lebron, but he´s better =/
February 4th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
Big V says:
@Lakeshow:
Come on, man. You can nitpick the height and weight (not saying they don’t matter), but to say that those things by themselves make the two players incomparable to each other doesn’t make a lot of sense.
By that logic, Shaq should never be compared to any other center outside of maybe Eddy Curry.
The two are similar enough to warrant the type of comparison that’s going on here.
February 4th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
Pooh says:
Lebron hands down.
February 4th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
LakeShow84 says:
@ Ian
Then im just asking that they have no opinion?? Maybe West because he said he was like a father to Kobe but Magic who is also a commentator on the NBA has no opinion?? DAMN talk about spitting in the face of a legend cuz of his roots.. bet my meal ticket they’d still call him the best if he played for the Raptors..
@ Big V
I feel ya.. i just thought you were saying more or less that those aspects DIDNT MATTER..
February 4th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Did anyone notice i said Lebron though?? lol
I just dont think its so clear cut as everyone is trying to make it.. and its REALLY only this year that i’d say it.. Last year Dwade shitted on Lebron’s MVP campaign.. he just didnt have the team record to back it up.. this year Dwade’s stuck in the mud and Lebron is on tear..
I wonder if Shaq’s departure from Cleveland will be as epic as his departure from LA, MI and, to a lesser extent, Phoenix.. LA and MI were in shambles after dude left and Phoenix aint never been the same dominance wise..
February 4th, 2010 at 10:45 pm
Claw says:
@ Lakeshow – You serious? Really? This aint your daddy’s Shaq, this is the guy that destroyed the Suns (from first in the West (before the trade for Shaq) to no playoffs) but still can guard bigs because well he’s Big.
No bias from West or Magic? I wonder who Danny Ferry would choose?
I am talking this year, two years ago I’d take Wade but he is definitely not the same since the injury. I gave you grief from that Heat/Lakers game because I thought Wade outplayed Kobe on both ends. Wade can step up and be the most dominant player but needs to pick his spots, he’s not as consistent as Lebron/Kobe.
Dude is still a top 5 talent but I think that injury has really caused him to take a step back.
February 4th, 2010 at 10:54 pm
UncheckedAggression says:
All the arguments I’ve seen for Wade don’t really make sense. I’m not going to waste my time trying to make a case for Lebron when the people that are arguing against him are only doing it because they hate the guy.
I love Wade. He’s better than Kobe right now. But he’s not better than Lebron.
Oh yeah, how come all the sudden so many people are claiming that Lebron has great teammates? Just because of the record? There’s an alternative explanation for the record, you know…
February 5th, 2010 at 12:09 am
Leandro says:
Back in the day, Penny Hardaway was the Next Magic…
February 5th, 2010 at 12:38 am
Ian says:
lakeshow
dont make that bet and u think im spittin in the face of a legend because i dont give a fuck who he says is better then i am.
February 5th, 2010 at 12:50 am
HBooyah says:
Pretty sure the game tonight proved what everybody should know already . . . Lebron is better. Look at the starting lineups. Look what position Lebron is playing right now. Look at his team’s record without a consistent 2nd scorer. This is a silly debate. JO > Shaq. Beasley > anybody on the Cavs. Q = Boobie Gibson’s shooting contributions. Mo Williams and Delonte West are better than the PG’s on Miami, but if Miami said, “Hey Cleveland. We’ll give you Beasley and any of our point guards for Delonte and Mo Williams”, Cleveland would say YES. Even if it was Arroyo, because heck, we see that Lebron can be the PG w/o much problem. Silly debate. Wade = Amazing. Nobody’s disputing that. But if you had to start a team around one of the two of those guys, you’d pick Lebron, admit it.
February 5th, 2010 at 1:13 am
Claw says:
DWade went 0-9 for a stretch, you can hate on Lebron just attacking the rim because he’s big but he gets to the line if his shot isn’t falling. Wade just can’t do that consistently now.
February 5th, 2010 at 4:03 am
JD says:
Can I say they’re equally good? .. I mean awesome
February 5th, 2010 at 4:50 am
Sweet English says:
Yeah i agree with all the people saying D-Wade is better than Lebron because he has a ‘chip.
Also following this logic, Brian Scalabrine and Adam Morrison are better than Lebron. Which must be true, right?????
RIGHT????
February 5th, 2010 at 6:43 am
imdwademf says:
NBA champion D-WADE nuff said
February 5th, 2010 at 7:12 am
QQ says:
As much as he has been a classless bitch that acts like he won something, I’d still pick Bron. It’s close, but Bron’s better. Period.
February 5th, 2010 at 9:27 am
karizmatic says:
I wish I would have gotten in on this convo yesterday. All I can say is what I said LBJ’s rookie season he is the next coming of Magic, he’s the 2010 version of Magic.
February 5th, 2010 at 10:05 am
K Dizzle says:
@ Claw – just so it’s clear, you do know that Phoenix missed the playoffs because Amare got hurt last season right?
And to all the dudes sayin JO is better than Shaq, y’all need to watch the games and stop dependin on Sportscenter.
Shaq STILL draws double teams; Shaq can STILL guard your post by himself. Shaq will STILL get your post in foul trouble. JO got a better midrange game, that’s it. Cleveland savin Shaq for the playoffs so please take that into consideration…
@ Ian – So Magic and Logo’s opinions don’t count cuz they played for the purple and gold?
Anyways, the argument for Flash is terrible. I’ll take Bron’s athleticism, but DWade’s game…and Kobe for the game winnin shot lol
Lakers ALLLLLLLL DAY
February 5th, 2010 at 10:19 am
sh!tfaced says:
If it weren’t for DWade’s ring, this wouldn’t even be debatable. Although Wade is the better scorer.
And about the Magic/’Nique/Pip/Jordan combo, we need to add some Karl Malone in there too. LeBron is as damn strong and almost as tough the Mailman.
February 5th, 2010 at 10:39 am
Jazz Man says:
To My Dude Who Said Wade Is Better Than Kobe Must Swallow His Own Sperm!! WTF…To Compare Kobe With Either One Of These Guys Isn’t Fair To Them & Disrespectful To Kobe. They Haven’t Been As Consistant As Long As He Has So Let’s Leave That One Alone! I Say D-Wade Because Of What He Has Had To Endure…Lebron Has Had Pretty Decent Complimentary Players On His Team. Beasley Isn’t All He Was Cracked Up To Be, Jermaine Has Fallen Off, Q Isn’t The Q From The Clippers/Suns Era, So Who Else Is There? The Knock On Lebron Is He Just Can’t Win On The Biggest Of Stages (Finals), Conference Finals (Celtics, Magic). Lebron Is Definately The Prince And Will Be King Like Kobe Said Once He Retires. Lebron Is Missing Something The Jordans, Kobes, Duncans Have….I Think Its Poise & “The Know”…Meaning When Its Time To Take Over And Be The Ultimate Leader
February 5th, 2010 at 10:49 am
David says:
Obviously LeBron’s better. By the same token, if Wade were 6’10, 280 with the same skills he would be better than LeBron.
But who cares who’s better? Who’s got more style, flair, and, like atomic said, “feline grace”?
It’s Flash, hands down.
February 5th, 2010 at 10:52 am
Ian says:
k dizzle
really?? thats what you got from my post really??
im not talking west and magic only im talking anyone do you think sean elliott wont say tim duncan is the best big man ever??? do i give a fuck if i think wilt is?? hell no. do you think ferry will say kobe is better than bron??? fuck no. again all im sayin is that every ex player will have some bias for someone on his ex team and if you and lakeshow think otherwise you are just fooling yourselves.
sweet english
please wades chip can come into play in this argument you can use ring talk when comparing superstars your logic is kinda bs you think that if jordan had 0 rings and richmond 6 we would be talking about jordan as the goat??? why do you think the admiral/dream/shaq were better (by far imo) than ewing?? and no longley wasnt better than pat you cant use it to compare role players but for superstars ring come into the argument everytime.
February 5th, 2010 at 11:32 am
K Dizzle says:
@ Ian – I understand your point, but I know I seen Larry Bird, Barkley, Hakeem, Julius for examples say Kobe is the best. My point is maybe Magic and West just sayin Kobe is the best cuz it’s true. Shit, West don’t even talk to Kobe anymore but he still gives his props, but I agree with the rings statement
February 5th, 2010 at 11:36 am
Chicagorilla says:
I personally would never use “winning a ring” as a point of emphasis on my argument for someone being great or greater than the guys who hasn’t won a ring. those are arguments that don’t hold weight.
Is Gary Payton better than John Stockton because he won a chip? two superstars with really good numbers, but Payton has a ring and Stock has the asst record, steals record, and was the better player.
glen rice has a ring, does that make him better than Domonique Wilkins? Hell no. Both were stars and top level scorers in their eras, but it doens’t make Glen Rice better because he signed with/got traded to, the Lakers.
Barkley, Ewing, Malone, Nique, were all great players and are top 25 all-tme, with or without a ring. Giving Barkley one ring won’t move him up a notch over anyone. He’d still be the 1-2-3 best PF ever. If you think duncan is better than Barkley now, then 1 ring wouldn’t change that.
this sort of thinking is why guys like Sam jones makes the HOF. Nice guy and all, but the Celts were going to win 8 chips with out Sam Jones.
Basically the “he never won a chip” argument is a cheap and thoughtless way of arguing why Player A is greater than Player B. Stats hold some merit, and if thye faced off in the finals or semi-finals, that hold merit, but most importantly is the way they played the game. Judge by that and only that if you have to. Rings, chips, MVPs, ASG selections, All-team selections, pts, blks, stls, asst, bottom line is numbers dont tell the whole truth. A real basketball enthusiast would research that players game before making proclimations about that player.
February 5th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
UncheckedAggression says:
Jazzman-and everyone else that agrees with him-You are exactly the kind of fan I’m talking about. You can’t present any reasonable evidence to support your argument, you simply make ridiculous claims that you personally feel justified. It isn’t worth arguing with you but I will say this: you actually wrote that long-ass comment while making sure to capitalize every word? Is something wrong with you? Try not to look like a fucking retard the next time you post.
Wade is better than Kobe right now. Career-wise it isn’t close–Kobe is one of the best ever and Wade is still a ways off.
February 5th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Claw says:
@ KDizzle – I split Suns season tickets. Shaq was a terrible fit, gave up Marion who was the guy that could guard 4 positions and get up and down the floor and was the recepient of Nash lobs. Shaq didn’t fit, got exposed on the pick and roll. Suns went from #1 seed to #7/#8 when Amare went down then missed the playoffs.
Shaq didn’t fit with West Coast ball, better fit with Ctown and more half court sets.
February 5th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
sh!tfaced says:
Gotta agree with the ring factor used as a lame argument. The chips won by players like Gary Payton and Glen Rice don’t really count for shit. They got their rings as freeloading vets who played minor roles on other teams where they were not the dominant players anymore. They didn’t their championships when they were the number one guys on their teams.
February 5th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Ian says:
chicagorilla
well the examples you used were kinda role players payton in miami and rice in los angeles. now if a superstar has a bad team and never takes them anywhere maybe they are just putting up stats because everyone else sucks and he can launch all day maybe they arent that great. deep playoffs runs do it for me you dont have to win alone because no one can but if you had the teammates and chances barkley/ewing/malone then its all on you and you sir must be overrated. now nique and ewing top 25??? comon man.
k dizzle
well im not saying hes not the best but to me the opinion of players that have no ties with the lakers weight more than magics and wests.
well im not sayin kobe is not the best
February 5th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Ian says:
shitfaced agree
thats why the ring doesnt come in when talking payton vs stockton.
February 5th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
Beach Muscles says:
@sh!tfaced — Have to disagree with you about Payton’s ring. He wasn’t a “freeloading vet,” he was Miami’s 6th or 7th guy in the rotation. He was often on the court in crunch time instead of White Chocolate. That’d be like saying Odom didn’t mean anything to the ’09 Lakers.
February 5th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Lol we aint talkin “oh he was a roleplayer and won a ring peoples” so stop bringin up that “well is Morrison better than Lebron cuz he got a ring??” shit was Adam Morrison Finals MVP??
We talking dude was down TWO games to NONE and WILLED his team back to FOUR WINS SINGLE HANDEDLY.. he was putting up Jordan numbers.. and you cant say it was a one time thing.. Dwade has been killing it in the East before and after that..
I agree that cant be the only reason for the arguement but dont just throw no names and say “they got a ring too”.. Nah peoples depends on HOW you got the ring.. And honestly i think people bring up the ring statement to point out when it all was on the line Dwade rose to the occasion.. Lebron didnt.. but thats clutch factor.. just one of many aspects of greatness..
February 5th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
Chicagorilla says:
@Beach Muscles,
Payton was a old guy who still couldn’t shoot that well, and wasn’t the defender he used to be. Payton played in the 96′ Finals as “the man” and didn’t win, while Stockton played in the 97-98′ finals as the man and also won the west conference in 96-97 while Payton was still dominant.
My point wasn’t to diss Payton, it was to prove that his ring shouldn’t be the deciding factor.
@Ian,
Nique sure did put up amazing numbers on ATL while barely making noise in the playoffs(I don’t think he ever reached the East Finals), but his 2nd best player was Kevin Willis….Kevin f^king Willis. Then came Doc Rivers (88′ All-star)and Spud Webb, two points who couldn’t shoot but were serviceable. Nique was squaring off against MJ&Pip, Isiah&the bad boys, Bird-McHale-Parish, Ewing, Shaq, I mean he had no help at all against some of the best ever yet was still producing 50win seasons. side note: Kevin Willis had the shortest arms a 7fter has ever had, lol<—Barkleys comment not mine
Ewing- While Patrick had some good teammates in Oakley, Starks, Mason, Harper, Davis, Smith, name me one "stand alone" all-star (that was an All-star without Ewing)in that group. Better yet, name me another HOFer in that group. You can't. Cause they were all products of Ewing being so damn good. I'm not sure when it became cool to hate on Ewing, but I remember him being in the top 3 convo for centers with Hakeem and D-Rob. Also, his 2nd trip to the finals in 99' he didn't even play so that doesn't count. But you can give me Ewing over any one of your top centers but also give me another "stand-alone" all-star.
DRob- Tim Duncan, Sean Elliot…all-stars and a HOFer in Duncan. Actually Duncan was the man and D-Rob was the #2 guy when they won their chips.
Hakeem- Otis Thorpe, Clyde Drexler= Allstars and a HOFer, not to mention Big shot Bob who i'm sure Ewing could have used instead of Starks.
Shaq- Kobe, Wade, Penny, Glen Rice, Horace Grant, Ron Harper, A.Walker, Payton, Zo Mourning,= all are either All-stars, or HOFers… not to mention Phil Jackson and Tex Winters
Kareem- Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson, James Worthy..3 HOFers…nuff said.
Wilt- Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, (can't think of his Philly teammates off top right now), HOFers nuff said
Now lets check Ewing's teammates
Ewing- Latrell Sprewell, Allan Houston, John Starks, Anthony Mason, Doc Rivers, Oakley–these are the all-stars that played with Ewing, Not one HOFer and none of these guys are all-stars without Ewing except the psychotic Sprewell and maybe Houston. side note: Doc Rivers was an all-star in 88' with Nique helping him.
February 5th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Ian says:
chicago
thats why i didnt include nique because he didnt have a great team but i still think hes barely top 50 alltime he wasnt a team player imo.
now ewing im not hating hes a top 50 player but more in the 40s than the 20s drob and dream are top 25 and they are way better than ewing.
you mentioned ewing didnt have a great team?? how about pre duncan robinson?? backcourt aj and vinny del negro what the fuck is that man??? a power fowards that changed every season and a decent elliott who was good because he played alongside the admiral. can you really say ewing had no help compared to that?? and still drob carried his team to deep playoffs and won every award the nba had in like 6 years can you say the same about ewing? theres even a theory named after ewing about your star player being injured and the team being better without him. imo ewing had the team to make noise specially when jordan gave the league a chance in 94 and what did he do 18ppg on 33% shooting in the finals comon.
beach muscles
you are kidding right?? aside from the top 3-4 players on a team you cant brag about the ring you won because you are replaceable and you are talking about a 7th guy???
shit this is like if steve kerr talked smack to reggie because he has 5 rings.
February 5th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
Chicagorilla says:
@Ian,
I think you are confusing my argument of Ewing being great to Ewing being the “greatest”. I’m not say Ewing is the best ever. I’m saying he is an top 25 player who just never had a real shot at a chip compared to everybody else he’s compared to.
D-Rob was a very special player and he accomplished a lot yes, but he did not win a championship as “the man”. At the point he won his two chips Tim Duncan was considered the man. The same Tim duncan who is considered the best PF ever by you and many others. That is the kind of help Ewing never recieved…not even close to that.
Also let me state this…as a Chicagoan I truely hate most thing NY, so i’m actually making an argument for Ewing who I f^king hated when he was with the Knicks but I still respected. And again, I just don’t comprehend the hate towards Ewing for not carrying a bunch of avg players to the finals and winning.
Also, in 1999 you can pretend like the Knicks were better without Ewing, but I like to say they were better W/o Van Gundy. Seeing as how he didn’t know how to play Ewing and Camby together, while Popovich figured out how to get Duncan and Robinson on the court with no problem. Also, had Ewing not been injured in that finals series against SA, I would put money on it, that it would have went 7 games and Duncan wouldn’t have had such an easy time.
February 5th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
Ian says:
chicagorilla
if ewing played maybe they dont make the finals but to say he will affect duncan in a big game is kinda overrating ewing. he might have the same effect mutombo and kmart had on duncan in the 03 finals and those 2 were better defensively than ewing.
now if you are sayin hes top 25 that never won well yeah hes top ten on that group. if you mean to 25 that never had a chance well thats a bit off he had a chance he just couldnt come thru imo.
isnt mark jackson the second all time assists leader well it wasnt till he joined the knicks that ewing made the playoffs while dave carried scrubs since day one to the playoffs. thats the diff im talkin about not actually winning it all.
but lets agree to disagree on chewing.
February 6th, 2010 at 3:37 am
MalcDavis415 says:
DWAYNE WADE!!! LEBRON HAS A LITTLE MORE HELP THAN WADE DOES!!! TOO MANY JOCKS ON LEBRON!! REALLY LOOK INTO IT AND SEE WHO DELIVERS NIGHT IN AND NIGHT OUT!! WADE DELIVERS WITH ABSOLUTELY NO REAL REAL HELP..LEBRONS PIECES ARE MORE EXPERIENCED AND A LITTLE MORE REFINED THAN WADE SO OBVIOUSLY HE LOOKS BETTER!! WADE WAS IN THE PLAYOFFS BATTLING AS A ROOKIE AND HANDLED BARON DAVIS!! WHERE WAS LEBRON?? WADE WENT T THE FINALS AVERAGED 35PPG BOUT 7ASTS AND 7RBS(LOOK IT UP!!) SO FAR ALL I SEE IS TAP DANCING PICTURE TAKING SWEEPS IN THE FINALS AND POST SEASON EXITS FROM THE MAGIC!! REGULAR SEASON MVP ALL STAR MVPS AND EGO ISSUES DONT MEAN A THING. WADES A HUMBLE SUPERSTAR ULIKE LEBRON. WHEN WADE GETS SOME LEGIT HELP WE WILL ALL SEE WHO IS THE REAL DEAL!! AND IF LEBRON DONT WIN A CHIP THIS YEAR WITH ALL THIS JOCKIN IM GONNA SIT AND LAUGH!! CAVS AINT BEATIN LA OR DENVER!! THIS SHOULDNT EVEN BE A DEBATE
February 6th, 2010 at 11:30 am
Jazz Man says:
@ UncheckedAggresion….That’s How I Choose To Type My Replies Mr. Bitchassness! Why Would You Put Hyphens Where They Are Not Needed (Retard Hmmmmmm)! If Wade Is Better Than Kobe Why Are They 2 Games Under 500 In The Eastern Conference? Before Paul Gasol Kobe Had A Less Than Mediocre Team And Was Above 500 In The Elite Western Conference. If You Can’t Cut It In The Eastern Conference Something Is Wrong! Wade Does More With Less Talent Point Blank. Lebron Has Had Proven Role Players (Mo Williams, Delonte West, Szcerbiack “However You Spell His Name”, Ilgauskas & etc.). So If Lebron Doesn’t Advance To The Finals This Year Does That Factor In To His Leadership And His Lack Of Ability To Lead A Very Good Team On Paper To A Ring. I Personally Think The Squad Last Year Was Better Than This Years Squad. Now I Never Said I Didn’t Like Lebron. He Is Becoming A Great Player, But If He Can’t Win Big Games In The Playoffs He Is No Different Than Let’s Say A Dirk. Wade Won A Title With Less Talent & Shaq Didn’t Even Play That Big Of A Factor In That (The Ref Had A Bigger Impact). I Would Go With Wade In Who Is Better. Stats Mean Nothing If You Can’t Win…Ask Two Of My Favorite Players Stockton & Malone (They Would Give Up Those Stats For A Ring). But You Can Have Your Crab Dribble Dribble Man UncheckedAsshole!!!
February 6th, 2010 at 11:36 am
Jazz Man says:
@MalcDavis415…Most Of These Guys Are Bandwagoners!! I’m Making My Grocery List Now For The Ringless Lebron Show Party If He Doesn’t Get One This Year! If The Lakers (My Team) Doesn’t Win It Will Be Denver That Wins It All Fa Sho!
February 6th, 2010 at 11:37 am
sporty-j says:
Not a fair comparison right now because 1 is on a championship team and 1 team that might not even make the playoffs. The cavs are better than the heat in all categories except lebron and dwade positions and also have a better bench so right now of course lebron looks better until like the announcers said, the heat get Wade some like the cavs got Lebron in the offseson even more help with the shaqtus and leon powe has yet to even play a game yet. Next year it will be a fair comparison, But if you ask me what separates the 2 is when it counts the most in crunch time. When lebron was down 0-2 in the finals to the spurs he did not rise to the challnge and threw in the towel and let his team get swept in the biggest stage of them all and when all the lights was on. D.Wade on the other hand rose to the occasion and single handed will his team to win in arguably the best Finals performance ever. While i was convince the cavs where going to win it last and had the best team and was dancing on the stars like they are doing again this. They folded under pressure and if not for a miracle 3 pointer at the buzzer last year would have gotten swept yet again on the big stage. When D.Wade was in the conference finals it took the piston to knock him the heck out of game 5 even though the heat won that 1 so he couldnt play game 6 and he came back and injured in game 7 and still almost willed his team to victory. So 1 player has came into the league and was crown the next coming or the masiah, But has delivered nothing but broken promises while the other has earn everything he is and has delivered nothing but cheated the cleveland faithful fans out of there hard earned money and wont even be able to get a refund when if he leaves and have wasted there time even though they have given everything in a roster that only D.Wade can dream of right now. If he does not get a ring this year they better call in the U.S. army because he might show us why he did not want to shack hands last year when he watches the other team dancing and pull a lagrett blount and snap. When wade gets Bosh next year who the heat are targeting and some help its going to be scary because Wade definitely has more heart and you would have to kidnap him for him to not play and lay his body on the line. You know if you put a team around Wade he will show you what he can do in the clutch but lebron? I dont know and it has yet to be seen and if it doesnt happen this i dont know when because its definitely is not going to happen in N.Y. When Wade gets a team next year like what lebron and even kobe has this year you all will see Y jordan said hes the best and should have won MVP last season and yes Lebron has earned MVP this year.
February 6th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
UncheckedAggression says:
Is anyone paying attention to how Lebron is playing right now? Because he’s making you D-Wade supporters look rather silly.
Go on and hate. It doesn’t make a difference.
February 6th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
Gabriel Brogden says:
Both of them real nice.
I’d take Bron.
Wade more reckless.
And his production don’t equal LBJ’s.
Wade’s gonna have a section on the wall of the Hall of Fame.
Lebron’s gonna have an exhibit.
February 7th, 2010 at 2:58 am
VBG says:
I hate Lebron.
He is the best player in basketball right now.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:46 am
xv!! says:
love D-WADE,the way he plays in the court is just awesome leBRON is a freak of nature,, but D-WADE is fun to watch
D-WADE and LeBRON,2 of the best players in the L.
i HATE KOBE..
February 10th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
cgen says:
the bad thing with ppl is that they only know what you have done lately. D Wade has a ring and Lebron, does not. D Wade ripped up the best Defense in the playoffs (the one that stopped Kobe and Shaq in the champ) and dominated a grt Mavs team. Lebron has got dominated… honestly ppl the only way this is a disussion is cause Miami screwed Wade and he has no talent on his squad. He carries that team and if he isnt not in the game for stretch period they start to lose. While Lebron has at least a serviceable squad that can put points on the board while he rests. Trust me, once dwayne gets a decent player along him he will put this convo to rest with his second Championship to Lebrons’ zero!
February 10th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
cgen says:
I kinda thk Melo is better than Lebron, although Lebron is more clutch, Melo unstoppable Offensive weapon
February 18th, 2010 at 11:47 am
BG says:
LaBron is my favorite(Cavs Fan), but I give props to Dwayne also. If you feel a Championship decides who is better, then that would make it Dwayne. If you feel the best stats (team/personal)decides who is best, then it would be LaBron. As far as Labron having fun(dancing, handshakes, powder, etc.) The Cavs all get along, and Shaq says it is the most enjoyable team he has played on.
I would rather see Labron “acting a fool” in fun, than in messing around on his wife, pulling a gun on a teammate, or getting put in jail. D-Wade is following MJ alright!!!! In more ways than fashion. Chew on this!
April 3rd, 2010 at 9:25 pm
LaTrell Wilson says:
Wade is so much better than lebron he is a better jump shooter he can block shots like lebron and he is smaller he he is a better leader than lebron. lebron is just not mature enough he is still in a kids mentality like when he got dunked on by that college kid he wanted to cover it up or like last year when they lost in the playoffs to Orlando he wouldn’t even shake their hands he is a bad sport. This is what really puts wade over lebron he has a ring and lebron doesn’t d-wade came back from 2-0 lebron got swept in the finals.
April 13th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
onnawadewifey says:
dwade bitches hell nah men lie woman lie numbers dont tell me how wade has a ring and did it all by himself and lebron hasnt gotten one with help on his team fuck otta here yo dwade is a fucking beast son and yall kno it i love lebron and he is nasty but wade is fuckin better lebron is commercial and wade is fuckin a real player like wat else is there to say fuck outt here nba champion dwade