I should mention that Rose takes nearly twice as many shots from this range per game as Williams does, making his 1% deficit even more impressive. In fact, Rose easily takes the most from this range of any point guard.

I suppose you can frame it any way you like. The fact is Rose scored more than both of them in his first two seasons and shot 48% and 49% in doing so. Paul shot 43% each of his first two years. Williams shot 42% and then 46%. He didn’t play half a season either. He played 80 games as a rookie, averaging 29 minutes. He started 47.

My opinion of Rose is based on observation, not statistics.

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“If you have a good shooter from 10-18 feet but has limited range, would you call him a better shooter than the player who can shoot the ball just as well from 10-18 but can expand his range to the 3 point line and hit that shot at a much better clip?”

On shots between 10-15 feet, Rose has a 49%-37% advantage over Williams.

Between 16-23 feet, Williams has a 1-point edge 44%-43%.

Williams has a big edge at the rim while Rose has a big advantage at 10 feet or less.

There’s the data:

http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=PG&yr=2010&gp=10&mins=20

As for 3s, again, Rose doesn’t take them. He’s 6-27 on the year. Minus heaves, he’s probably around 6-22/6-23, or 26.5%.

That sample size doesn’t prove anything other than he doesn’t shoot them at this point.

So by your definition of what he does – maybe we should be talking about Tyreke Evans who is putting up much better numbers as a rookie than Rose did. Is he a once in a generation point guard?

My issues with your statement is claiming that Rose is a once in a generation point guard. He is putting up the numbers in his second year that Tyreke Evans is putting up in his rookie campaign. What has Rose done to make that claim? How has he separated himself from someone like Tyreke Evans?

If you have a good shooter from 10-18 feet but has limited range, would you call him a better shooter than the player who can shoot the ball just as well from 10-18 but can expand his range to the 3 point line and hit that shot at a much better clip?

Is that in the rulebook somewhere?

If Rose averages, say, 27 and 8 a game without shooting threes, it won’t count? Will we have to go to you for a definitive answer?

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“Paul and Williams first two years in the league basically had similar numbers outside of assists.”

No they didn’t. Rose is a much better scorer than those two were their first two years in the league.

Rose’s court vision is fine. He lacks finishers or any semblance of an offense.

“You have done nothing to prove…”

What have you done to prove Williams is a better shooter? Claim he shoots the 3 better when Rose doesn’t attempt any. Rose is statistically one of the best in the NBA from the 10-18 foot range.

Paul and Williams first two years in the league basically had similar numbers outside of assists. They are dropping 3-4 dime more a game than Rose did/does. He doesn’t have the same court vision they do. Derrick is a scoring pg.

Anyway, you are making it out to be that I don’t like Rose when that in fact is not the case. Your initial statement was Williams is not a better shooter. Stevie Wonder can see that that Deron is a better shooter. You ask any unbiased fan/coach/GM that watches basketball and they will say the same thing.

You have done nothing to prove why he is this once in a generation point guard. Is he very good yes…maybe one day in the very near future a top 2-3 point guard in the league…yes.

His game is very similar to John Wall – except Wall is a better passer and has better vision. Rose is stronger. Actually Wall in his one year in college (to compare to Rose) has proven to be a better clutch performer thus far. Curious of how those two stack up in the next 5 years or so.

You’re going to base his shooting ability on the fact that he’s taken 27 threes all year, several of which were heaves at the end of quarters or halfs? Strange.

As for Rose’s ability, I’ll stand by my opinion. Comparing Rose, who has played less than 2 seasons and is 21, to Paul and Williams who are both 4 years older is asinine. Go check out there first two seasons in the league and then pretend Rose can’t compare.

I didn’t say Rose was a bad shooter overall, but he is much better going to the basket. He is shooting 22% from 3 point range. You are saying that you don’t see where Williams is a better shooter. Guess what, he is. 3 point shooting is a part of being considered a good shooter. I like Rose’s game a lot and he will only get better.

I have seen Rose a good deal. Where he needs to get better to really extend his game is consistency from behind the arc. That will open him up to even more strong drives to the basket which is where he excels. He is a good mid range shooter.

How can he be a one in a generation guard when he is not considered the best pg in the NBA and may never be considered the top pg during his playing days?? He may not even be considered top 2 at any point if Paul and Williams (both relatively young) can stay healthy.

Again, I like Rose a lot. He has a great NBA body for a pg,is great attacking the rim and is a good mid range shooter. However, both your claims (saying Williams not better shooter, and he is a one in gen pg) have no merit.

“beg to differ that Rose is a one in a generation talent.”

Again, you aren’t familiar with Rose then.