Comments on: Where does Chauncey rank among the greatest NBA point guards? http://dimemag.com/2010/03/where-does-chauncey-billups-rank-among-the-all-time-great-pgs/ Dime is your daily source for NBA News, NBA Trades, NBA Rumors, NBA Videos and Sneakers Mon, 13 Feb 2012 11:13:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: baba http://dimemag.com/2010/03/where-does-chauncey-billups-rank-among-the-all-time-great-pgs/comment-page-2/#comment-216687 baba Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:28:42 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=36070#comment-216687 Look Chauncey is a nice player but had he not been in the NBA I don't think the PG position would have missed much. When you think of Isiah, Magic, Stockton, Hardaway, Lebron (he's as good as any PG), Oscar Robertson, CP3, Deron Williams, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd (the list is not exhaustive by any means) they are great not just because of their great stats or that they make great players even better but because they have each left their own legacy on the position. Many of them are in the Hall and many will be in the Hall. Chauncey is neither a great playmaker (I can't remember him disihing out 20 dimes ever)nor is he an explosive scorer (I can't remember him having a streak of even 10 games with 20+). He is good he is serviceable and probably the best thing about him is that he is mature with no NBA style ego. If Steph Marbury ever had Chauncey's temperament god knows where he might have been in this discussion - but he did not. I like Billups and loved the Detroit team of that age but it's unlikely you will ever find a team like that again where most of the players were mature egoless and fitted so well together. Look Chauncey is a nice player but had he not been in the NBA I don’t think the PG position would have missed much. When you think of Isiah, Magic, Stockton, Hardaway, Lebron (he’s as good as any PG), Oscar Robertson, CP3, Deron Williams, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd (the list is not exhaustive by any means) they are great not just because of their great stats or that they make great players even better but because they have each left their own legacy on the position. Many of them are in the Hall and many will be in the Hall. Chauncey is neither a great playmaker (I can’t remember him disihing out 20 dimes ever)nor is he an explosive scorer (I can’t remember him having a streak of even 10 games with 20+). He is good he is serviceable and probably the best thing about him is that he is mature with no NBA style ego. If Steph Marbury ever had Chauncey’s temperament god knows where he might have been in this discussion – but he did not. I like Billups and loved the Detroit team of that age but it’s unlikely you will ever find a team like that again where most of the players were mature egoless and fitted so well together.

]]> By: JOhn http://dimemag.com/2010/03/where-does-chauncey-billups-rank-among-the-all-time-great-pgs/comment-page-2/#comment-216550 JOhn Sat, 13 Mar 2010 05:11:41 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=36070#comment-216550 I don't understand why some of you are ranking Williams over Billups. Williams hasn't been into an NBA Finals nor was he considered an MVP candidate. While, Billups has consistently led his team to 7 Conference Finals and 2 NBA Finals. He was an NBA Finals MVP and he's averaging career numbers this year when he's 30+ years old. Maybe D Will has more stats then CBill, but we're talking about Greatness here not just Stats. Greatness is measured by the person's abilities and his accomplishments. Cbill already has both. I don’t understand why some of you are ranking Williams over Billups. Williams hasn’t been into an NBA Finals nor was he considered an MVP candidate. While, Billups has consistently led his team to 7 Conference Finals and 2 NBA Finals. He was an NBA Finals MVP and he’s averaging career numbers this year when he’s 30+ years old. Maybe D Will has more stats then CBill, but we’re talking about Greatness here not just Stats. Greatness is measured by the person’s abilities and his accomplishments. Cbill already has both.

]]> By: Nyeme http://dimemag.com/2010/03/where-does-chauncey-billups-rank-among-the-all-time-great-pgs/comment-page-2/#comment-216368 Nyeme Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:21:38 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=36070#comment-216368 Thank you baba & David. The PG is SUPPOSED to be the team's general, so you get no special points for that. What is the difference between what Billups did and what Avery "General" Johnson did for his teams? He has a ring as well. As for being an All-Star and Rod Strickland not being one, Chauncey is what 5x? KJ had 5 years of 20 & 10 and was only an All-Star 3x. In my opinion, what he does now is no different than what all of the PGs used to do. So now you bring numbers into it and he drops. He's great shooter but hoovers around 40-42%? So he must have bad shot selection, or really isn't as great a shooter as it seems. My thing is he is a good PG, and does alot of intagibles that don't show up in the stat sheet, OK, but that's his job as a PG. His level of PG is Avery Johnson, Derek Harper, Terrell Brandon. Hell, career assist numbers, he under Mike Bibby even, and Mike Bibby can't even direct an offense. He is severely overrated for an average-skilled PG that can run a team. Thank you baba & David. The PG is SUPPOSED to be the team’s general, so you get no special points for that. What is the difference between what Billups did and what Avery “General” Johnson did for his teams? He has a ring as well. As for being an All-Star and Rod Strickland not being one, Chauncey is what 5x? KJ had 5 years of 20 & 10 and was only an All-Star 3x. In my opinion, what he does now is no different than what all of the PGs used to do.

So now you bring numbers into it and he drops. He’s great shooter but hoovers around 40-42%? So he must have bad shot selection, or really isn’t as great a shooter as it seems. My thing is he is a good PG, and does alot of intagibles that don’t show up in the stat sheet, OK, but that’s his job as a PG. His level of PG is Avery Johnson, Derek Harper, Terrell Brandon. Hell, career assist numbers, he under Mike Bibby even, and Mike Bibby can’t even direct an offense. He is severely overrated for an average-skilled PG that can run a team.

]]> By: baba http://dimemag.com/2010/03/where-does-chauncey-billups-rank-among-the-all-time-great-pgs/comment-page-2/#comment-216355 baba Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:38:51 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=36070#comment-216355 If Chauncey is in the top 25 of all time then so is Sam Cassell, who won championships, Derek Fisher (just as solid a career), Avery johnson. And IMHO none of them are quite up there. This is a just a ridiculous discussion if there ever was one. If Chauncey is in the top 25 of all time then so is Sam Cassell, who won championships, Derek Fisher (just as solid a career), Avery johnson. And IMHO none of them are quite up there. This is a just a ridiculous discussion if there ever was one.

]]> By: Loepower http://dimemag.com/2010/03/where-does-chauncey-billups-rank-among-the-all-time-great-pgs/comment-page-2/#comment-216349 Loepower Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:50:22 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=36070#comment-216349 Oh forgot moe cheeks. He should be tied with chauncy billups and mark jackson should be there ahead of tony parker(maybe) Oh forgot moe cheeks. He should be tied with chauncy billups and mark jackson should be there ahead of tony parker(maybe)

]]> By: Loepower http://dimemag.com/2010/03/where-does-chauncey-billups-rank-among-the-all-time-great-pgs/comment-page-2/#comment-216348 Loepower Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:48:27 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=36070#comment-216348 Chauncy is an underratted point guard in the league and his career. Don't believe he's top ten all- time though, think he needs one more finals to even make hall of fame. But never did a list on points so let's see. Right now- 1. paul 2. williams 3. chauncy 4.nash 5. rondo I put chuancy over nash because nash doesn't play defense and Chauncy's ability to slow the other point guard from setting up the offense goes a long way in making the difference between a loss and a victory. All time- 1. Magic 2. oscar 3. Isiah(stockton couldn't tie his shoe laces) 4. Cousy 5. stockton 6. hal greer 7. walt frazier 8. Gary payton 9. nate archibald 10. jason kidd 11. kevin johnson 12. tim hardaway 13. steve nash(grundringly cuz he plays no "D" and plays in a stat swelling system) 14. Chauncy billups 15. Dennis Johnson 16. Lenny wilkins 17. dave bing 18. mark Price 19. tony parker 20. Chris paul already Chauncy is an underratted point guard in the league and his career. Don’t believe he’s top ten all- time though, think he needs one more finals to even make hall of fame. But never did a list on points so let’s see.
Right now- 1. paul 2. williams 3. chauncy 4.nash 5. rondo
I put chuancy over nash because nash doesn’t play defense and Chauncy’s ability to slow the other point guard from setting up the offense goes a long way in making the difference between a loss and a victory.
All time-
1. Magic
2. oscar
3. Isiah(stockton couldn’t tie his shoe laces)
4. Cousy
5. stockton
6. hal greer
7. walt frazier
8. Gary payton
9. nate archibald
10. jason kidd
11. kevin johnson
12. tim hardaway
13. steve nash(grundringly cuz he plays no “D” and plays in a stat swelling system)
14. Chauncy billups
15. Dennis Johnson
16. Lenny wilkins
17. dave bing
18. mark Price
19. tony parker
20. Chris paul already

]]> By: David http://dimemag.com/2010/03/where-does-chauncey-billups-rank-among-the-all-time-great-pgs/comment-page-2/#comment-216321 David Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:57:47 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=36070#comment-216321 I'd say that Billups, when we look back at his career, will be in many ways overrated and at the same underrated. On the underrated side, Billups is a great PG! I see him as a top5 PG in the game right now. And, there are few players I would pick to lead my team that will provide results better than CB. He does the little things and has a decent all around game that makes him better than he really is athletically. He is a leader and has personal values that you want to see in a leader. He has the kind of quality that is hard to evaluate in a NBA player. CB is like a CEO – not the best performing individual talent but sees the big picture and achieves results through team building and adjusting to change. On the overrated side, he is overhyped for his clutchness. He can be clutch but this label has gone too far – Just too overhyped in this area. He is also overhyped in his ability to defend or be the go to guy. Also, his numbers do not represent a great player – his FG % really bothers me and should be higher given his shooting ability. None of these areas which are supposedly what makes him so great are really anything that 20-30 guys in the league already do on a nightly basis. Furthermore, he is not a great passer but more of a game manager who tries to do the best thing in a given situation. Bottom line: Talent wise, he is probably not even in the top 30 all-time PG. However, when you consider the leadership and intangible areas that are often forgotten, he stands out. Chris Paul cannot deal with adversity (up to this point) as well as Billups. Deron Williams has also been on talented teams but has not improved his teams (up to this point) as much as Billups. Rondo and Rose are great talents but neither has developed an understanding of the game or leadership abilities (up to this point) as well as Billups. Kidd is a great leader but has not always meshed with his teammates or improved them as much as Billups. Parker has never really showed that he can be the leader of a team (not his fault) like CB has. And finally, Nash is only strong in a certain game that suits him and does not adjust to different styles of play as well as Billups. That’s why Billups will always get too much credit and at the same time not enough credit for what he does for basketball. I’d say that Billups, when we look back at his career, will be in many ways overrated and at the same underrated.
On the underrated side, Billups is a great PG! I see him as a top5 PG in the game right now. And, there are few players I would pick to lead my team that will provide results better than CB. He does the little things and has a decent all around game that makes him better than he really is athletically. He is a leader and has personal values that you want to see in a leader. He has the kind of quality that is hard to evaluate in a NBA player. CB is like a CEO – not the best performing individual talent but sees the big picture and achieves results through team building and adjusting to change.

On the overrated side, he is overhyped for his clutchness. He can be clutch but this label has gone too far – Just too overhyped in this area. He is also overhyped in his ability to defend or be the go to guy. Also, his numbers do not represent a great player – his FG % really bothers me and should be higher given his shooting ability. None of these areas which are supposedly what makes him so great are really anything that 20-30 guys in the league already do on a nightly basis. Furthermore, he is not a great passer but more of a game manager who tries to do the best thing in a given situation.

Bottom line: Talent wise, he is probably not even in the top 30 all-time PG. However, when you consider the leadership and intangible areas that are often forgotten, he stands out. Chris Paul cannot deal with adversity (up to this point) as well as Billups. Deron Williams has also been on talented teams but has not improved his teams (up to this point) as much as Billups. Rondo and Rose are great talents but neither has developed an understanding of the game or leadership abilities (up to this point) as well as Billups. Kidd is a great leader but has not always meshed with his teammates or improved them as much as Billups. Parker has never really showed that he can be the leader of a team (not his fault) like CB has. And finally, Nash is only strong in a certain game that suits him and does not adjust to different styles of play as well as Billups. That’s why Billups will always get too much credit and at the same time not enough credit for what he does for basketball.

]]> By: Sporty-j http://dimemag.com/2010/03/where-does-chauncey-billups-rank-among-the-all-time-great-pgs/comment-page-2/#comment-216319 Sporty-j Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:33:45 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=36070#comment-216319 Man i cant believe all of you guys are dissing Mr.Big shot the way you guys are. I mean his name is not that for nothing and hes probably top 5 clutch PGs of all- time. Hes not top ten but some of you guys are going way to far. Hes not top 10 but he has to at least be top 11-15. I mean come on now guys. And 1 poster put Rose ahead of him right now today? Are you serious??? Rose still has a lot of work to do with his outside shooting like Rondo does but hes a top 5 PG today. What are some of yall smoking. Hes a unique PG in his own right because he just takes guys down in the paint and man handles them like hes playing football or wrestling. And how many big time shoots he has hit like Kobe??? Come on guys lets give respect were respect is due because he has made a big turn-around in his career and hes top 15 easily so dont act like this was a stupid question and a lot of NBA analyst and players from back than and today would have him top 15 easily. Man i cant believe all of you guys are dissing Mr.Big shot the way you guys are. I mean his name is not that for nothing and hes probably top 5 clutch PGs of all- time. Hes not top ten but some of you guys are going way to far. Hes not top 10 but he has to at least be top 11-15. I mean come on now guys. And 1 poster put Rose ahead of him right now today? Are you serious??? Rose still has a lot of work to do with his outside shooting like Rondo does but hes a top 5 PG today. What are some of yall smoking. Hes a unique PG in his own right because he just takes guys down in the paint and man handles them like hes playing football or wrestling. And how many big time shoots he has hit like Kobe??? Come on guys lets give respect were respect is due because he has made a big turn-around in his career and hes top 15 easily so dont act like this was a stupid question and a lot of NBA analyst and players from back than and today would have him top 15 easily.

]]> By: Jay http://dimemag.com/2010/03/where-does-chauncey-billups-rank-among-the-all-time-great-pgs/comment-page-2/#comment-216294 Jay Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:41:46 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=36070#comment-216294 Nyeme, your boy Rod Strickland was never an all-star. If he was your favorite player growing up, that's fine. He ain't better than Billups. Get over it. Nyeme, your boy Rod Strickland was never an all-star. If he was your favorite player growing up, that’s fine. He ain’t better than Billups. Get over it.

]]> By: willie http://dimemag.com/2010/03/where-does-chauncey-billups-rank-among-the-all-time-great-pgs/comment-page-2/#comment-216290 willie Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:10:17 +0000 http://dimemag.com/?p=36070#comment-216290 UCLA is officially Point Guard University, check it out http://yallkiltit.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/ucla-point-guard-university/ UCLA is officially Point Guard University, check it out http://yallkiltit.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/ucla-point-guard-university/

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