Smack / May 14, 2010 / 12:00 am

LeBron Gone, Celtics headed to Eastern Conference Finals

Kevin Garnett, Dime #30

Nitpick all you want on LeBron James‘ game last night — and please believe there are thousands of nitpickers doing that exact thing right now — but first try to look at the big picture. Yeah, LBJ had way too many turnovers. Yeah, he probably should never pass the ball to Anderson Varejao in a clutch situation. Yeah, his jumper was off. And most importantly, his team lost, again falling short of an NBA championship. But the man put up 27 points, 19 rebounds, 10 assists and 3 steals on the road against a defense that wasn’t giving anything away easy. LeBron played a hell of a game, but all you’re going to hear about are the 9 turnovers and the fact that the Cavs conceded the game earlier than they should have, deciding not to foul when they were down nine in the final minute … The story of the first half was Mo Williams, who came out balling like Isiah Thomas in ’89 with strong drives to the cup and pull-up jumpers. Mo dropped 20 points before halftime while the Cavs were getting every single borderline call, but even then they were still behind on the scoreboard. The biggest play of the first half came in the last minute, when Ray Allen drove and hit a cutting Tony Allen, who went almost horizontal and banged on Antawn Jamison something nasty. It was something out of D-Wade‘s playbook … Cleveland briefly took the lead at the start of the second half, but then Kevin Garnett (22 pts, 12 rebs) started getting buckets like he was back in Minnesota. Rajon Rondo (21 pts, 12 asts, 5 stls) opened the fourth quarter with a scoop shot to put the Celtics up double-digits, and it looked like Boston was gonna cruise: Mo had completely lost his legs by that point (two points in the second half, and every one of his J’s was short), Shaq was just too slow to keep up (although he did almost kill Kendrick Perkins when by falling on him), and Jamison was laughably terrible. (Tweet from @bandwagonknick: “Antawn’s been so awful I keep expecting Blatche & McGee to enter the game at the next timeout.”) … LeBron knocked down back-to-back threes to cut the lead to four early in the fourth, but on maybe the most important possession of the game he dribbled off his leg, Rondo turned it into a layup, and the Cavs never got any closer. With about eight minutes left ESPN ran the inevitable “Cleveland Sports Tragedies” montage, and a few minutes later, ‘Sheed hit a corner three and KG got a fast-break dunk for the dagger. LeBron tried to take over after that, but even Mike Eruzione knew it was a lost cause … The post-game scene typified what this series was all about. The Celtics won, good for them, but this was all about LeBron. The cameras stuck to him while he did the Orlando 180 and shook everybody’s hand in the greater Boston area, and stuck with him as he whipped his Cleveland jersey off the moment he hit the tunnel … In Garnett’s post-game interview, he said that he told LeBron to hang in there, and that he definitely knows what he’s going through. We brought it up earlier this week, but now that LBJ has seen another title shot fall through, we’ll ask: Do you feel bad for him? Do you feel bad for LeBron the same way we felt bad for KG and Kidd and Barkley and Iverson when they would fall short? … Most ridiculous Twitter post of the month, courtesy Terrence Williams (@TheRealTWill): “They should of let the nets play in the playoffs at lease we would compete more then these damn teams.” That deserves a nationwide “C’mon son!” … Some of the Dime crew has been in L.A. this week on business. Yesterday we saw Magic Johnson walking by the Magic Johnson statue in front of Staples Center. That’s got to be a cool feeling — unless you’re Thurman Thomas and your statue looks like THIS … We’re out like Mike Brown

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  • s.bucketz3

    turrible turrible coaching display by smart brother

  • RapTOr

    LeBron won’t leave…not on such a sour note… not when it’ll make him look like a quitter…not when it’ll seem like he’s giving up on his teamates, and most of all, his hometown of Akron. I could only imagine the hate fans in Cleveland would feel if he left the team, effectively turning the Cavs from a #1 seed to a mediocre team, at best.

  • s.bucketz3

    post-game KG is hilarious
    “my bad i is sweatin all over the place”

  • fallinup

    I think Garnett stole Jamison’s soul. And don’t down play the fact that the Cavs just gave up… there was a friggin minute left. I’ve seen Tmac go for 13 in 33 sec. Don’t downplay that by looking at Bron’s friggin stats… THEY GAVE UP.

    Props to Bron and his pretty triple dip. But yeah… 9 turnovers won’t get you the W.

    But the biggest props… To SHEED. For stepping up. KG was a BEAST. For Tony Allen bringing the intensity. And to the city of BOSTON for rocking the shit out of the garden. The Celtics are going to be over shadowed.. but you know what… They played like Champions. They played with heart. And they brought it.

    Now let the speculation circus begin…. oh hey, look at that… the playoffs are still going on. :)

  • s.bucketz3

    cavs go to a big pile of hot gahbage if lebron leaves…and i think this is a good scenario for him to leave besides the elbow which hes not makin excuses for…he had a monster game(besides the TOs) and no1 else came remotely close to steppin up in the second half.

  • Bizz

    Have u seen this?

    MISSING PERSON ALERT: LeBron Raymone James, Cleveland, OH – Age 25 D.O.B. 12/30/84. Reported missing 5/11/10. Last seen being taken to school by Rajon Rondo (Boston Celtics). Not heard from since Nike stopped running puppet commercials. Last seen in false NBA crown. James may be in need of medical attention for his elbow. …Any info helping authorities find LeBron or his game, contact 1-800-FAKE-MVP!

  • Dennis Castro

    And the “King” nickname gets dropped in 3,2,1…Yes, he had a triple double, and he played a solid game, but he obviously needs to develop a post game, no question. This is what separates Kobe from him. Kobe worked with Hakeem to develop that. Not saying Lebron isn’t capable of that, but the time is now for him. Right now his career is tracking towards Wilt, an athletic freak who revolutionized the game, but only won one title. No more MJ comparisons either. Lebron is the best regular season player in the game. Kobe is the better overall player, I think that much is clear after tonight.

  • Three Stacks

    Got a new nickname for Lebron. Imma start referring to him as “Matisyahu” cause he’s still a King Without a Crown.

  • asmaticasiatic2

    I just enjoy seeing lebronze lose and struggle for some reason….

  • fallinup

    Blizz… that was hilarious. :) Such a great night. I picked the Cavs to win again… and couldn’t be happier at being wrong.

  • alf (from melmak)

    All praises to the Celtics. I was wrong. I thought it was the Spurs peaking in April when it was really Boston.

    The game made me reminisce on how good Rasheed Wallace was. High basketball IQ, emotion for the game, and the (sad part) unfulfilled potential to be one of the greats. He is still, though, one of my all time favorite players.

    The game also made me realize that I was once a fan of the Celtics and only became a Jazz fan when the original Big Three were all retired.

    Welcome back to the 80s fellas. Boston versus LA for the NBA championship.

    Top 100 reasons why Dime should hire me as one of its regular writers:

    92: I will skip meals to watch basketball games.

  • fallinup

    Oh… and I know imma be a postin fool today… but…

    DAYUM!!! Tony Allen posterized the hell out of Jamison with the dunk of the playoffs!

    Don’t let that shit go unchecked. That was filthy.

  • hahns

    lebron is a bum. he made a triple double look effortless b/c….it was effortless. he gave up. he didnt show any heart at all.

    his dunk in the last 2min was so half-assed it was straight out of vince carter’s playbook. you know whenever bron gets an open dunk he tries to rip the rim off. bron is a bum.

    my theory is that him and dwade started texting each other that they’re gona go to the same team this summer.

  • LakeShow84

    LMAO # 1

    Good Undercover Brother reference lol

    @ Bizz

    Cold bruh.. cold.. but funny..

    @ DIME

    Whoever wrote that sounded so sad.. you even sounded like you were reaching out to him to assure him.. What if i said your boy played liked he held back?? What if i said it looked like he threw that game?? Those turnovers were bonkers.. Thats all ima say for now..

    BUT what i will stick with in the real world is the fact that Boston just had too many mismatches for the Cavs.. KG had free reign all series.. Lebron can only guard ONE players so since he took Pierce out you got Ray Allen abusing Anthony Parker and Rondo MURKING Williams.. Tony Allen made BIG contributions off the bench.. The Celtics knew what they could get out Cleveland and they did it to a T..

    The Cavs looked so sloppy on the other hand.. A veteran team who dont where they gettin they buckets from?? Too suspect or the coaching is that bad.. At least Mo did what he could do to keep it competetive in the first half..

    But series MVP gotta goto Rondo.. did it again..

    And bigups to Lebron on his near Quadruple Double.. hmmmmmmm dude was super careless..

  • Bruce

    End of the road for Shaq! Anderson Vagina sure getting a lot of touches in the 4th!

    I don’t feel sorry for Lebron, it is part of the process to greatness. He must endure losing before the people can embrace him as a champion.

  • ShowKase

    “All the King’s shooters and the Kings men, couldn’t help Bronie make the Finals again.”

    …Go Magic

  • sh!tfaced

    LMAO @ Bizz

    LeGone! Now all we have to do is prepare for a shitload of LeBron free agency speculation articles…

    Damn early SMACK. DIME must have started writing the moment they saw LBJ’s “gameface” or whatever you wanna call it. Only the back-to-back 3′s would’ve made you doubt the doubt, but that was it for LeBron – just a lot of heat checks from 3, nothing more…

    When Sheed shows more fire than any player on the other team, including LeBrokenElbow, you know it’s over.

  • Bruce

    That overgrown MONKEY (Shaq) fail to, “Win a Ring for The King.”

  • fallinup

    Damn… ESPN is rolling the “All of Cleveland’s Big Losses” clip like it’s going out of style. I feel bad for the people of Cleveland… putting up with all the free agent talk… NY shamelessly jocking for your player for years now… and of course… all that damn losing.

    How could you even live there. Sheesh. :)

  • http://bt.davka.info/ SparkyJay23

    The NBA quick and dirty re-cap is fucking cold check this gem out

    “James is eligible to opt out of his contract this summer, a move that would make the two-time MVP – and zero-time NBA champion – a free agent and set off a scramble for his services from New York to Los Angeles and, of course, back in Cleveland”

    Dime hasn’t got the balls for the cold facts, but damn i expected Celtics by a blow-out or a Cavs win, if it was close LeBron was gonna will them to the win – for fucks sake he put 25 pts in a row on Sheed’s Pistons. what next because the Cavs won’t have cap space, don’t have anything worth trading, jamison is never goinig to be the same and Shaq is too old.

    Unless they win the Lottery they are fucked.

    Well done Celtics

  • That’s What’s Up

    LeBron is LeAving Cleveland…
    …only to instill false hope upon another franchise.

    That douche made such a point of shaking hands with everyone he even shook hands with the luggage loaders before boarding the team jet

  • sh!tfaced

    LeBron started it. He was always shamelessly dreaming and thinking aloud about New York.

    Wonder what happened to that lone Celtics’ fan watching in Quicken Loans…

  • gilford22

    That is a monster game from the “King”, he nearly had a quadruple double.

    Now the East

  • Joe Cooley High

    LOL at people trying to prove Kobe “cares more” than LeBron by bringing up that Kobe trained with Hakeem to improve his post game. Kobe was 13-14 years into his career before he went to Hakeem. And you’re hating on LeBron for not doing it right now? People want LeBron to do everything perfectly when he’s only 25. Kobe is into his 30s and he still has flaws.

  • jimmyjack

    @hahns — “lebron is a bum. he made a triple double look effortless b/c….it was effortless. he gave up. he didnt show any heart at all. his dunk in the last 2min was so half-assed it was straight out of vince carter’s playbook. you know whenever bron gets an open dunk he tries to rip the rim off. bron is a bum.”

    That is the dumbest fucking post I’ve ever seen, and I was here for the 200-comment HateFest on LeBron the other day. What “bum” can drop 27-19-10 in a playoff game on the road? Funny how J-Kidd gets a 10-10-10 triple double and everybody slurps his balls, but LeBron damn near goes 30-20-10 and gets no credit. Bullshit.

    As far as the “half-assed” dunk, you obviously don’t watch much basketball. When a team is trying to come back, you don’t do needless stuff like hang on the rim and expend your energy making a dunk as powerful as possible. The two points are in the book, get back on the ground and play D. No point in trying to tear down the rim to satisfy morons such as hahns. But obviously anything LeBron did today would be hated on. Fuckwad.

  • LakeShow84

    ^^^ Yeah i agree can we stop with the Kobe comparisons?? I mean Kobe asked (ok maybe DEMANDED lol) for a superior cast and only made it to the Finals 2, possibly 3 years in a row..

    Lebron didnt even make the Eastern Finals with the deepest team in the L..

    Lets be real about what a winner really is.. Regular season dont count.. The real season starts in April.. unless you a Clipper fan.. or someone who just likes players..

  • spk2629

    Gotta say, LOVE the comments flowing here. On one hand I am a renowned LBJ hater, but damn, dude looks like somebody stole his dog or somethin’. He has had that lame assed prima donna act on FAR too long, and making foolish assd comments before the biggest game of your playoff career makes no sense. I don’t want to hear that he is young, HE IS A SEVEN YEAR VETERAN, cut it out. Cleveland mortgaged the farm to win this year and now they are in rough waters, Shaq is too old, as is Z (Bet he wishes he’d a signed w/ the Magic now, right???), Mo is a buster, as is Moon and West. What next, yall???

  • jimmyjack

    @LakeShow84 — Deepest team in the League? Yeah, Jamison and Shaq were AWESOME tonight. Mo Williams was a BEAST in the 2nd half. Hickson, Moon, Delonte, Varejao and Parker were out there ballin …

    What the fuck were you watching? LeBron played the second half completely by himself.

  • spk2629

    OH, and David Stern is FUCKIN’ HEATED with his refs for not pushing his cash cow back to Cleveland for a game 7. Wanna bet he gets in their shit behind closed doors? That cat is the WORST!

  • don

    @hahn…couldnt have said it better myself.its pretty crazy to see how someone can hate a player so much that they discredit his ability smh you would think lebron fucked his mom or something lol is that what happened hahn, upset bout that aaww haha…anyways im not even a lebron fan but respect that man…you dont grab near 20 rebounds with out heart…only this is he was tryna do too much which resulted in the TO’s

  • jimmyjack

    Jordan won his 1st championship in his 7th year, but LeBron gets hated on because he hasn’t won yet in his 7th year? That’s crazy. Nevermind that LeBron led his team to the Finals three years before Jordan made his first Finals. People either have short-ass memories in here, or I’m arguing with a bunch of kids who are just too young to know any better.

  • don

    i meant @jimmyjack

  • Alee-Mo

    I bet Antawn Jamison is LOVING this. He played like shit, but nobody is bothered about him because we’re all talking about LeBron. Way to sneak under the radar Antawn.

  • Yoooo

    Did yall see Rasheed try to dunk off of a drop-step, ON somebody? He got fouled, but he got off his feet WAY quicker than I thought he could.

    Mike Brown is terrible.

    So is Antawn Jamison. I’d personally rather have Diana Taurasi…

    LeBron come to Newark. Win a chip, then head to Brooklyn. Bring Shaq with you to backup Brook. And contingent upon the draft pick, convince management to trade Devin Harris for a real championship piece.

    The Knicks are TERRIBLE. And they have absolutely NO championship pieces.

  • LakeShow84

    @ JimmyJack

    Yeah you right bruh.. but i didnt see you on here when they were winning talking about how thin they TRULY were right?? Once he loses again its back to the supporting cast shit right??

    Once again for people who just talkin..

    Mo Williams/Delonte West
    Parker/West/Gibson*
    James/Moon
    Jamison/Varejao/Hickson/Powe
    Shaq/Big Z

    Plus you can mix and match all over that roster.. LBJ, West, Jamison, Parker, Hickson can all play at least 2 positions as well.. ill minus Gibson out and say they got TWELVE players that can get tick and contribute.. Get the F outta here with that shit.. i mightve even forgot someone..

    And Mo kept them in the game in the first half while Lebron was throwing passes to the other team.. What Mo shouldve scored 40?? Nah thats the MVP’s job..

    Kill that shit.. admit he didnt get it done when he shouldve.. CLE has no excuses right now.. deep ass squad with homecourt throughout and the 2x MVP..

    NO EXCUSES

  • jimmyjack

    @LakeShow84 — I thought we covered this the other day. Again, ON PAPER the Cavs do have a deep lineup. And they did handle there business in the regular season. I’m not arguing with you about that.

    But IN THE PLAYOFFS that deep roster didn’t pull their weight. They didn’t play like they did in the regular season. So therefore how good they are on paper means shit.

    Let me put it to you this way: If Ron Artest goes out against Phoenix and shoots 4-for-45 in the series and you guys lose, does it fuckin matter that he’s a former DPOY and he’s a good player on paper. NO. Because he played like shit in that series. It’s about what you’re doing RIGHT NOW, and right now LeBron’s supporting cast didn’t do their jobs.

  • http://www.myspace.com/carlifrancis5 quest???

    lol this was funny

  • Peter

    LeBron single-handedly carried arguably the worst team in the NBA to the doorstep of the conference semi’s. Don’t believe me? How many Cavaliers would start not for the Lakers, not the Magic, not even the Suns, but for Golden State? That’s right, Golden State, and the answer is NONE other than LeBron. Check it out:
    F: Antawn or Anthony Randolph? Close today, not close a year from today, but Randolph either way.
    C: Shaq or Andris? Sorry big fella, Beidrins is a walking double-double +3 blocks and you’re not anymore.
    SG: Anthony Parker or Monta? Don’t make me laugh.
    PG: Mo or Steph? Steph now does every night what Mo does only on his best nights.

    OK, the Cavs are deep, right? Uh, no…
    6th man: Delonte or Corey Maggette? Please…

    Keep in mind that my Warriors SUCK and needed plenty of lucky bounces to win 25 games this season (sell, Cohan, please sell!!!!). What LeBron has accomplished in the past two seasons, playing basically one on five every night, is astounding, he is hands-down the best player in the game.

  • Bruce

    I am so proud of Lebron! Dude actually shook hands with the winning team! What a difference a year makes.

    Who knows maybe a year from now, The People will be rooting for you.

    For the record, if Shaq is on your team, I am a born-again Lebron-Hater!

  • sh!tfaced

    LOL @ LakeShow84 – when you posted to stop the Kobe-LeBron comparisons, it went straight to a Jordan-LeBron comparison.

    @ JimmyJack – if only LeBron had the same never-give-up spirit…

    Could we please STOP THE FUCKIN’ COMPARISONS ALREADY?!

    Think Cleveland fans need another public apology from Antawn Jamison – similar to what he did in Washington.

  • Ekstor

    Over the last 5-6 minutes of the game, I saw LeBron really attack the Celtic defense maybe 4 or 5 times. The rest of the time, he was either turning the ball over or passing to other players.

    The stats are monstrous and his teammates didn’t help and the Celtic defense was terrific… but with the game within reach, James’ decision-making just seemed strangely passive to me.

  • http://www.myspace.com/carlifrancis5 quest???

    @ peter, you make a very good point.

  • Bruce

    The game was within reach, Lebron got his team within 4. Lebron was about to soar into greatness, we were about to witness Lebron greatness. After those shots, Lebron pulled a Chris Webber for the rest of the game!

  • common sense

    LeBron’s legacy is not at stake. The guy is 25 years old and probably has another decade of NBA playing left. Plus, he gets to choose a new team (if he wants one) this summer. I would even say Steve Nash’s legacy is on the line more than LeBron. He is near the end of his career. LeBron stll has much upside.

    This is becomin overkill now. People are acting like LeBron will never do anything else of note in the NBA. Stop it with the sensationalism. He is a great talent. He does need a better coach, a better system, and a decreased ego. But he still has time to get it together.

    Dime forums have apparently become a forum for the most ridiculous posts. It appears the average age of people on this forum is below the school leaving age. I used to enjoy this site for its readers comments but now they are just getting pathetic!!

  • sh!tfaced

    @ peter – nice one. And don’t forget the coaching, Nellie is waaaay better than Brownie.

  • welcome to reality

    Welcome to reality, lebron. Now, ditch the Cavs and continue the Cleveland’s tradition of sports futility.

  • common sense

    @peter, #38…

    spot on. he carried a weak cast two years in a row and thats including the coach. and when he gets to the post season the team gets exposed and he takes the heat. the cleavland team sucked and so does mike brown.

    but saying that, if you gave that team D-wade instead of bron i think things would have been different.

  • fallinup

    Lebron Haters win another one against the Lebron Apologists.

    It’s amazing how it goes right to the supporting cast when they lose. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

    @ Jimmyjack you’re the worst. Bring up the triple double.. totally over look the 9… count em now… NINE turnovers… with number 9 being the WORST… crunch time… game on the brink of getting out of hand.. and against a worthy defender… HIS FRIGGIN LEG.

    Get off the Bron defense for a second and just breath it in… facts is facts… Bron… the Cavs… DIDN’T GET IT DONE… aint no excuses… aint no stats gonna shake that. Where was this ‘WORST SUPPORTING CAST EVAR’ when they were bustin ass with the best record in the L?… where were all these apologists screaming about the supporting cast then??? Oh… that’s right… they were eagerly awaiting the Kobe vs. Bron finals with the rest of us… PUH LEEZE.

    Like I said Wednesday morning… “W” or nothing. Plain and simple. All the rest of the talk can go some where.

    Bron lost.. but he got a triple double…NO… fuck that shit… it’s BRON LOST. No less… no more. There ain’t no “but” in LOST.

    Maybe next year buddy. Until then… it’s STILL A LOSS. Take your excuses to New York, New Jersey, Chicago… who gives a shit… there’s still a championship to be won this season.

  • lifep

    SMH @ the Thurmam Thomas statue :-(

  • fallinup

    And just one more thing… all this Lebron this… Lebron that shit… The Cavs didn’t have this… they didn’t do that…. get off that shit too and give credit where credit is due…

    The CELTICS waxed that ass.

    I’ll be more than happy to admit that I picked the Cavs to win it when the playoffs started. I had the Cavs and Lakers in the finals at the beginning of the season. Which I’m sure.. almost everyone had.

    How many had the Celts?????

    Now… give credit where credit is due dammit. They showed up and took care of business.

  • C

    I don’t put this on Lebron- he did what he could against a suddenly scary Boston team. Eventually he’ll learn how to take over games consistently and at the right times.

    But I’m really sick of his defenders always bashing his teammates just to make themselves feel better. Look how many allstars he’s playing with now. And now they’re garbage?? What the hell happened to all that MVP’s “make their teammates better”??? You can’t have it both ways…

  • the cynic

    actually lebron didn’t play that well at all, and this is a perfect example of why numbers are completely overrated. Did James still play better then Ricky Davis career game? Of course, but Lebron led the Cavs to the best record in the league by making good decisions with the ball and being the leader of the team. Forget the 9 turnovers Lebron made poor decisions with the ball at least 20+ times. He played nervous, he acted nervous, and he played soft. The rest of the team followed suit particularly Jamison(no surprise) and Vagina.

    Mike Brown is fired, how do you give the most athletic big, Hickson, no court time when athletic teams have been the celtic’s kryptonite for 2 years

    Magic in 6
    Lakers in 5. Hate to say it, but Lakers are going to regret surrendering home court to the Magic

  • Ian

    dennis castro
    kobe?? what does any of this has to do with kobe?

    joe cooley
    yup

    lakeshow
    you know u and dizzle are my fav lakers fans (if there is such a thing hehe) but u must have the biggest balls on this site postin that bs(in a friendly manner i say this) “lebron has the deepest team” pleaseeee kobe has it and not this year but the last 3 so those back to back finals appearances were expected. i hate both kobe and bron and im not gonna argue whos better cuz i dont care but you are reaching has kobe carried a team like the 07 cavs to the finals?? hell no. lets see

    team a
    gasol
    odom
    artest
    bynum

    team b
    ehhh
    williams
    shaq
    varejao
    jamison

    tell me team b is better pleasee.

    and the biggest tie breaker of all a team of
    stock
    jordan
    pip
    duncan
    wilt
    would have a hard fuckin time winnin with mike brown coachin.

  • eazy yeezy

    its time to for lebron to bring it to chicago. the bulls should trade deng and our draft pick over to new orleans for their pick (prob 11) and some perhaps peja to make the money match, draft xavier henry and move forward.

    drose, xavier, LeBull, Taj, joaKING noah.
    bench: kirk, peja and whoever the fuck else.. dont matter.

  • the cynic

    @lakeshow

    You’re forgetting the most important factor between Lebron and Kobe. One of them has spent most of his career being coached by Phil Jackson and Lebron has spent his entire career coached by Mike Brown

  • drew

    if the cavs were in the west, i would make the argument that any of the 8 teams would have pushed them at the very least, if not take the series. dominating bad teams during the regular season is one thing. winning a best of 7 series against good teams is another. i cant believe how overrated the cavs were honestly. a slam dunk to make it out of the east? LOL.

    lebron is the most athletic player in the league by far, but imo he has a lot of holes in his game despite his physical talents. thats y the media is all on his jock. man put up the most misleading triple double ive ever seen in game 6. theres a reason he dominates the stat sheet (a great talent no doubt, but in a lebron dominated offense its no surprise hes a walking triple double). can he come off screens, hit the midrange j, post up consistently? NO. good defenses can gear in on him because a)he drives like a bull and gets bailed out by the refs sometimes b)his team was never that good, despite the kool aid the media was feeding everyone and c)mike brown is a fail of an offensive coach.

  • Arno

    Once again, it’s a team’s game. What went wrong ? They had the best player and they piled up assets all year long : last year’s team + Shaq + Jamison. It couldn’t fail !

    But it did. So, what went wrong ?

    Chemistry. Will. Coaching.
    Maybe the trouble is that LeBron is so much better than any one of them : rebounding better than Shaq, running better than Mo, shooting better than… No, LeBron ain’t a sharp shooter and needs to have a better balance when he’s firing. Anyway, why take risks for your ball club if someone on board can do it better ?

  • mrparker

    I knew this was going to happen but I didnt want to believe it. I wanted Lebron to rewarded for his loyalty to Cleveland. I wanted him to be rewarded for his loyalty to his teammates. I wanted him to be rewarded for living up to the hype. Instead he was blamed for not lifting a bunch of bums to his level. Cleveland is a below .500 team without him. He deserves better. No excuses need to be made. Anyone who has ever studied what “stats” actually mean understands that he gave all he could. What other player could win with this squad.

    I wanted to believe he could do it. If he can’t noone can.

  • yoda

    i must say i’m glad cavs lost. maybe lebron is really nice guy and he might be someone who helps out poor and old and such. but as long as media sucks his dick 24/7 and as long as he’s called greatest ever/king/chosen1 and as long as he refers to him self in third person (i think this is correct expression, i’m not native english speaker) i will root against him. he is really good player right now, and with hard work he could be best of all time. but i really hate this dick riding so…
    oh yeah and i hate effin boston!

  • jnuh

    cleveland totally has the best dancers though.
    those mofo’s can cut a rug like nobody’s bizzzness.

  • RapTOr

    Wow looks like all the “in hindsight expert analysts” have flocked in here.

    Don’t trip… 95% of you guys were riding the Cavs bandwagon and calling the Celtics ” too old” just a few weeks ago!

  • K Dizzle

    @ Peter – great post
    The hate on this site the past couple days is embarrassin.
    Point blank tho: Cavs can’t beat the Celts with KG in the lineup. The Cavs added Shaq to match up with Dwight and Gasol/Bynum. Unfortunately, that didn’t help with the Celts. Jamison was supposed to be the 2nd scorer….nope. Haters spittin venom like Delonte West, Mo, Shaq, Varejao and Parker were holdin up their end and Lebron just didn’t show up. Like Dre said “Bitch please, you must have a mental disease” Dude averaged 29pts, 9 rbs, 8 as shootin 50% from the field and 40% from the 3. Secondary pickup Jamison? He avgd 11…
    In conclusion, when hatin on a dude, decide if you hate him offcourt or oncourt cuz some of y’all just spittin venom but not really sayin nothin. I wish Lebron said he was signin with your squad then see what you’d say.

    @ Ian
    Cleveland’s not the deepest team in the L. Like I said yesterday, you need your top 3 plus an x-factor to get by in the playoffs. After Lebron, the squad is old, scared or just don’t show up…year after year. Mo and Delonte not showin up ain’t new. Jamison was a huge disappointment and Shaq is so far past his prime that he puts up 15 and 8 and dudes act like he just invented facebook…..
    I said that shit when they needed players at the deadline: Get Amare, Get Troy Murphy, get guys who ain’t scared to look Lebron off and get theirs or can guard bigs and shoot from deep cuz they didn’t really have dependable stone-cold shooters.
    Look at these squads and tell me who you want
    1) Kobe, Pau, Bynum, Odom
    2) Nash, Amare, JRich, Hill
    3) Parker, Duncan, Manu, Hill
    4) Dwight, VC, Jameer, Shard
    5) KG, Pierce, Ray, Rondo
    6) Bron, Shaq, Jamison, Mo
    7) JJ, Crawford, Al, JSmoove
    8) Salmons, Bogut, Jennings, Redd
    9) Dirk, Kidd, Butler, Terry
    10)Melo, Chauncey, Nene, JR

    U a lyin muuphucka if you even think Cleveland deep.The other 9 squads all got at least 2 certified studs, at least 1-2 in their prime. Cavs got Bron(not yet in his prime), Mo and Delonte(won’t ever have a prime) and Shaq /AJ(way past their prime). They had a great regular season cuz it’s one game and teams don’t put that much emphasis on gameplannin durin the dog days of the season.”Cleveland’s comin in. Let Lebron get his 30 and don’t let anybody else get goin.” Playoff time? They gameplan for yo’ ass. EVERYBODY on this site KNOWS Mike Brown is a bad coach. We watch the games. Lakers run the triangle. Celtics run Ray thru screens, post up KG, pop Sheed, highpost Pierce, clear out for Rondo, Magic drive and kick, drop it into Dwight, pinch posts and pop shooters. Somebody please tell me wtf Cavs are running. If Mo’s feelin it, he runs in and jacks, then they throw it in to Shaq and hope he can draw a foul; if that don’t work, then they give it to Bron up top with the whole arena guardin him and expect miracles. I don’t know how this team won 60+ games.I’ll give LBJ his mvp tho. He earned that shit…
    Peace out to the Draft Class of 2003 – only ones left are Pietrus, Perkins, Barbosa, Walton and undrafted Marquis Daniels

  • dung

    DONT FORGET YOUR FUCKING GRANDMUTHER

  • dung

    HEY DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT PAUL PIERCE’S SECRET KNEE INJURY WAS BACK IN THE FINALS?????? WHAT WAS THE DIAGNOSIS ON THAT? HEY WHY IS EVERYONE BLAMING LEBRON AND THE CAVS, BOSTON JUST PLAYED BETTER AND WERE BETTER TEAM TOO MUCH EXPECTATION FOR CAVS BOSTON SHUD B GETTIN PRAISED INSTEAD OF LEBRON BLAMED

  • K Dizzle

    Why r u screamin???

  • Hate the game :)

    @ K Dizzle – I think that DUNG was so excited by your post he wants to have a date with you and he wants you to bring your grand ma along for conversation; he must be intimidated by your literary prowess. Dung you stink son; get a life!

  • LMNOP

    Stat line jockers are gona say lebron played well. Anyone who actually watched the game is gona disagree. He was invisible for huge stretches, his shot was off and ooohhhh the turnovers. it seemed that any time the Cavs were on the brink of taking momentum he would turn the ball over and the Cs would get the fast break bucket.
    You cant blame his supporting cast, because a superstar leads by example, when LeBron is careless and lethargic then so is everyone else.
    Tony Allen with 10 points had more positive impact than Bron with his tripple dub.

  • Rafa23

    LOL@ the boston fans last night chanting “New York Knicks”
    finally somebody using that

  • Trey bing bay

    Good luck to Lebron next year in what ever he chooses to do. Who are we to judge…

  • just a fan

    can’t we all agree that Lebron isn’t that good yet? he has the physical ability but it’s hard to get it done when your offensive move consist of only 2 moves: the 3pt line steam roller drive to and 1 layup or the 3pt jumper. Why is he having trouble posting up on tony allen or ray allen? You need a mid-range to finish tight games. and having mike brown as your head-coach….the offensive scheme is awful to watch.

    positive side, lebron stayed around to shake and give hugs.

  • EN FUEGO

    @ 63 64
    dung, drunk or retarded? hahaha. all caps and no sense.

    dung is full of shit just like LeBron’s triple double. the most LeBogus stat line if you’ve ever seen one. like non-alcoholic beer, everything is there, looks and tastes like beer but it isn’t beer. no effect whatsoever.

    @ 67 got it right. tony allen’s 10 points had more impact.

  • Andy

    The Cavs were loaded this season. That’s why they won so many regular season games. The regular season does count, and the usual is that good teams in the regular season come up with wins in the Playoffs. Unfortunately, the Cavs never get things going in the playoffs. LeBron goes MIA, their offense is shreds, and other teams exploit their mental weakness. Yes, the Cavs have a weak mental attitude. They’re not killers, they don’t fight, don’t go out guns blazing. And let’s be clear. This series was not lost by the Cavs. Celtics won it! Plain and simple! Prior to the playoffs, everyone said that the Celtics team is comprised of:
    1. Rondo, future all-everything guard
    2. Ray Allen-old dude
    3. Paul Pierce without knees and ankles
    4. KG’s living corpse
    5. Rasheed’s technical fouls and airballs
    Let’s give the Celtics credit. They played with the heart of champs, they executed, never let things get out of hand, had the will-power to overcome old age, and settle things. We’re here talking about Lebron, and we’re all forgeting that a really good team left everything on the court, and came up with great wins, while playing their best ball of the year, right when it matters most!

  • EN FUEGO

    PULLING A LEBRON
    transitive verb 1 a: to become humiliated by an inferior member of peer-group b: to refuse to acknowledge failure [ref] c: to strain abnormally in order to prevent exposure of embarrassment d: willful suppression evidence (of failure)

  • Andy

    And another thing: I’m fed up with all the excuses! Both for LeBron, or the Cavs! That organization has real issues. I mean, look, the Spurs got swept. Is anyone there pointing fingers, firing Pop, is Duncan leaving via free agency? NO! because that is one solid organization. The Cavs did moves out of despair, traded left and right, to “get the King a ring”. Come on! They all acted as though Bron is GOD, whatever he wants, whenever he wants it. That’s why they lost! Their focus should have been on acquiring good,valuable players, but ones that can be molded into a TEAM! What did they do: they pick up Shaq, who has been playing since before the Korean War, they pick up Jamison, a consistent stinker in meaningful games, and they kept a bad coach, who proved he can’t co-ordinate an offense run by 8th graders! Look, LBJ is fantastic, but he ain’t no Jordan, no Kobe, he can’t ( yet) get it done in crunch by himself. Fact is he doesn’t have a really complete array of techniques, he relies on athleticism and good play one on one. Guess what? In the playoffs, people are goinf to double the dude! You can’t have one guy going one on 15, and prey a lot!
    All in all, a bad organization, from the top down. Kobe was a prick in his early years. What did the Lakers do? They brought in Phil, who often disciplined Kobe. Brown doesn’t have the guts to raise the voice at “The one” James!

  • weng santos

    Sometimes, the stats just don’t matter.

    In college, I saw Ray Allen- shooting 0 of 10- go up for a shot in the 96 Big East tourney against GTown. In the middle of his shot, you see him hesitate and try to pass off to someone else. At the point, I’m thinking “Ray’s shooting bad, he hesitated, no way he should take this shot.” But as he was going down, he put up a shot anyway, made it, won it for UConn.

    Point is, forget what you did the rest of the game, maybe even the rest of the season. Can you win it with whatever you’ve got when it matters the most?

    There’s a reason why you’re only as good as your last game. Nobody remembers the brilliance of losers, because history is written by victors.

  • http://prickymart.blogspot.com Russ

    Mike Brown needs to go. He fell far from Popovich’s tree. 6 games and he still couldn’t figure out how to guard rondo. The Jamison and Shaq trades were both failures. Jamison was completelyt invisible, and Shaq’s impact on the games were only negative. He bogs down the whole offense. He’s painful to watch. I don’t know why he played so many minutes. Why didn’t Hickson play more? They wouldn’t give him up for A’mare, and then play him 2 minutes a night in the biggest series of their season?

  • EN FUEGO

    KG giving advice to LeBron. HAHAHA.
    bad sign listening to words from a star who didn’t win his first championship until he switched teams. i’d get nervous if i were a cleveland fan.

  • fallinup

    @ En Fuego

    Ohhhh… KG’s press conference was even worse. He went so far as to reminisce about what he had done in his younger years had he known what he knows now. Also mentioned something about telling Lebron to forget loyalty… do what’s best for you and the family… so yeah… KG knows what’s up. hahahaha

    Poor Cleveland fans. I hear Luol Deng is a great player!!! :)

  • common sense

    @andy #74.. spot on

    cavs whole season was an epic fail.. this sums up the state of affairs..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPb2nZPxffU&feature=player_embedded

    how could this nincompoop have been entrusted with the nurturing of the greatest athlete to EVER walk the face of this planet!!! EPIC FAIL CLEAVLAND

  • JAY

    I was readin every single post until I saw jimmyoncrack postings. That’s when i said to myself, “oh brother”.

    Dude, regardless of the numbers, Lebron played shitty. The difference between what Lebron did last night and a Kidd 10-10-10 outing is that Kidd leaves everything out on the floor. U can’t honestly tell me Lebron did the same. To me, it looked like he was ready to go on vacation. His numbers “on paper”, as you say, were pretty filthy but 5-6 of those turnovers were unforced.

    One thing is clear, Coach Brown was outcoached. He could be the worst coach in the league with a stacked squad.
    (Cue the jimmycrack “no they’re not stacked” comments.)

  • m3baller

    Big Z must have been pissed that Cleveland brought him back for this bullsh*t!…Zydrunus would look good in a Celts uniform next year. Oh and we’ll take back Delonte to be our backup pg (man he didn’t do anything this series). That team is about to get blown up.

  • m3baller

    and wtf was the deal with Cleveland with just over a minute to go on defense!? they just quit. point blank. Its a 3 possession game, and you aint gonna foul? SHAME ON YOU MR. BROWN!

  • fallinup

    @ JAY

    You’re over reaching anyway when you compare Lebron’s triple double to a Kidd triple double. Of course you’re supposed to get excited when a 50 year old goes out and triple dips.

    Sheeeshhhhh

    So yeah… props to Bron for “checking the stats”. Too bad him and the rest of his riders refuse to check the W/L column.

    I’m sure I was screaming in 07 that Brown was a shitty coach… it’s taken everyone NOW to figure this out… yeah right. And we can blame the Cavs front office all they want… Gilbert shelled out the dough for this team… Ferry put it together… but don’t sit there and say they put a gun to Lebron’s head when they brought them in. You know damn well that it had to be APPROVED BY THE KING. Don’t front… YOU KNOW THEY AT LEAST RAN EVERY LAST SCENARIO BY HIM FIRST. So stop with the excuses already…. THE CAVS LOST. Bron (right now at least) is a CAV.

  • JAY

    Lebron will not leave Cleveland.
    Coach Brown will be given his ticket out of town.

    Btw, with all the dancing Lebron was doing during the season I wished he moon-walked off the court. Take that bullshit dancing to Dancing With the Stars. Ochocinco would whoop his ass.

  • EN FUEGO

    @ fallinup

    wow. didn’t know KG was one sneaky bastard. a double-bladed advice if there was one. getting rid of lebron in cleveland would completely take out a rival eastern conference superpower. and they said KG lacked a killer instinct.

    “do what’s best for you and the family” — no doubt he learned that one from sprewell himself. hahaha

    i hear ricky davis would love to come back.

  • The Journeyman

    @ EVERYONE ON DIME’S POST

    You know what happened with LeBron?

    He saw that if it is taking this much work against the Celtics just advance to the East Finals…imagine the mountain he would have to climb to get past Orlando and inevitably the West’s elite (either PHX or LA).

    Yes, LeBron just gave up and if you are defending it with stats and garbage like Dime wrote earlier, then it’s just harder for you to accept the fact that he may not win a chip. (8 years in and nothing to show)

    Just sayin

  • That’s What’s Up

    “A Lebron James team never panics” – Lebron James

    A Lebron James team may never panic but they certainly underachieve

  • srb

    it’s cool if no one wants to talk about the celtics. i’ll just go to all the celtics blogs to watch tony allen eat jamison’s soul.

    how about ray allen, though? couldn’t hit a three, so instead he dumped off 5 assists and kept his hands up on D for several deflections.

  • PWEEZY

    LBJ – LEBITCH JANE *KARMA* for fixing the 8th playoff spot during the end of the season lol what a sucka would have been nice if he had a quadruple double if he got one more turnover. he aint DWADE

  • Kingboy D

    I’ve got a crazy theory that seems to fit the situation better than any other explanation. Granted, this is totally fabricated and completely out there. No basis in truth whatsoever. And I’m not even saying this is a possibility. But it does seem to make sense.

    What if Lebron was trying to lose the series due to organized crime influences? There’s surely a ton of money to be made bidding on the underdog Celtics. In game 5, he totally gave the game up. Never drove, missing open looks, etc. All the analysts said his form looked fine, no compensation for any potential elbow injuries, so maybe he was missing on purpose. You could see in his face that he wasn’t motivated or angry, just kind of lost and unsure how to handle the situation. He hated throwing the game but had no choice due to the pressure he was receiving.

    However, after that pitiful performance, he got smashed in the press, and he realized he made it look bad in his attempt to throw the game.

    So in game 6, he gets his numbers, but still lets it slip away. Look at those two back to back threes that he hit with ease. He never shot again after that for some time. If you’re the MVP and you hit 2 consecutive threes, knowing you’ve got a hot hand, wouldn’t you shoot every time you touched the ball? He only scored when they were down by a lot to get his numbers but not really threaten the Celtics. His turnovers were too blatant, and he never hustled to recover the loose balls. Again, no urgency and the same vacant, tortured look on his face.

    I could go on, but you get the point. Again, I am in no way suggesting this happened. But still, kinda makes sense, dontcha think?

  • JAY

    @fallinup
    “You’re over reaching anyway when you compare Lebron’s triple double to a Kidd triple double. Of course you’re supposed to get excited when a 50 year old goes out and triple dips.”
    Yeah, I was just responding to jimmysoncrack #25 post comparing a Kidd triple-double to Lebron’s.

    Last night was another game of hot potato that Lebron really kicked ass. Maybe his nickname is fitting? The king of playoff hot potato. His next venture will be to promote Chi Chi’s hot potatoes. They’ll call him the Chi Chi Man.

    (i have a boatload of corny-ass jokes)

  • EN FUEGO

    this finally confirms that:

    lebron is mentally weak.
    coach cleveland brown is a dumbass.
    jamison isn’t playoff material.
    shaq is washed up.
    cleveland is cursed.
    triple doubles are overrated.
    david stern would rather have lebron in new york than fulfill his marketing dream kobe-lebron finals.
    a lebron team never panics indeed, they just straightforward give up.

  • The Journeyman

    @ Kingboy D

    You are

    A) Crazy

    B) Probably right

    C) I think LeBron just went out for a swim and went too far in respects to the pressures & global icon status, etc

    D) Someone posted it right above us…Congrats Celtics on containing the freak specimen we call LBJ and for winning a great series

  • Dapro

    Damn y’all back to this again. How about we give the Celts credit, it wasn’t so much want BRon didn’t do but what the Celtics gave him. When healthy the Celts have the best defensive unit in the league. Throw in a fired up Sheed and I smell another championship run. Bron played about as well as he could considering as I’ve said before he isn’t a natural scorer. He needs a coach with multiple offensive sets and understands matchups. People forget when the Celtics won, Kobe, Dwade, Mcgrady all gave props to the Celtic defense. They even went so far as to say it was one of the best defensive teams they have ever played. Game 6 in the finals had a similar result for Kobe, so let’s get carried away with the Bron. I’m not a hater and not on his nuts either, I respect his game. I think he needs to change teams but where to is the question.

  • The Journeyman

    @ everyone

    I have a question…

    I only tuned in to see games 5 & 6 for this series, so OBVIOUSLY I’m thinking LeBron just gave up from what I’ve seen.

    Can anyone honestly say they say the same passiveness or lack of caring in games 1-4?

    Because we have all seen him throughout the years get so geeky for games before during and after, so was this whole series just a wash or just games 5&6 ?

  • EN FUEGO

    @ Kingboy D

    hahahaha. the point shaving mafia theory. i can roll with that. must have been the same people who killed jordan’s father when he refused to give in and lose a championship. i guess somebody made lots of money just in today’s playoffs because favored teams like dallas and denver lost in the 1st round.

  • Jay El

    How can the man post a 27-19-10 and still get criticized. He grabbed 19 rebounds against a KG led squad in the playoffs on the road! Rebounds are nothing but hustle and yet people still say that he didn’t try? That’s ridiculous. And as a Cavs fan myself, the Cavs are only deep in the sense that they have a lot of decent players, probably more than most teams,but what they don’t have is a lot of great players. They never have. Their next best options are a disappearing Mo, old Shaq and an over the hill defenseless Jamison. Compare that to a cast of Gasol, Bynum, Odom and Artest with Phil coaching and there is no comparison. Garnett at least had Pierce, Allen, Rondo and Perkins. 4 out of the top 5 players on the court were Celts…and Boston has the coaching advantage. If you understand basketball at all you know that no one can play 1 on 5.

  • buffaloballa

    that’s why they call it ‘Leave-land

  • EN FUEGO

    remember the movie celtic pride? maybe that could have happen to lebron too. might not be him but a family member they kidnapped. thinking about it, they never showed his mom on tv or did i just miss it? hahahhaha

  • fallinup

    @ Jay

    I was backing up your response to jimmyoncrack. Agreeing with you 100%.

    Call it corny. BUT…. all those times where you’d hear…

    This team ‘wanted’ it more.
    This player lacks that killer instinct.
    The playoffs are all about chemistry.

    All of those corny sayings are spot on.

    The Celts showed they wanted it more.
    Lebron lacks that killer instinct.
    Garnett DOES NOT lack that killer instinct.
    And the Celts proved that chemistry goes a long way.

    Maybe the Cavs should have been working on that during the 61 win season more than dancing during blow outs and showboating before games.

    Lebron: “Everyone line up so I can take this fake picture! This will look great on ESPN! Now where’s my rosin bag!”

  • EN FUEGO

    your theories are whack. lebron just plain choked. that’s it. live with it.

  • fallinup

    I’m telling you Cleveland fans… Kirk Hinrich, Luol Deng, Taj Gibson… you CAN win a championship WITH those players!

  • http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/703154723/the-soulchorea-project?pos=1 Kermit The Washington

    Safe to start calling him Lebron _ames? Cause you know…

  • Ekstor

    Boston deserves credit. Aside from Rajon Rondo, you could make an excuse for all of their big 3 (plus Rasheed) being 2-3 years past their prime with nothing to show for a bench (how many jokes have I seen on this board about Big Baby and Kendrick Perkins).

  • Jay El

    @ fallinup

    Funny how Kevin Garnett only got that “killer instinct” once he came to Boston with a loaded team. Where was that killer instinct in Minnesota all those years when he couldn’t get out of the 1st round? You dudes crack me up believing that crap. I have to ride with Jimmycrack on this one it’s amazing how much hate Bron gets but other dudes slide for the same thing.

  • The Journeyman

    @ Jay El

    So you know…KG has always had that killer instinct

    the problem in Minny is that the west was always stacked and his supporting was never strong enough.

    the only time they went far they bumped chests with LA and with their super stacked squad

    I don’t like how much of a jerk KG was last year in Boston or the year before but this is classic KG that played in this series…doesn’t make a scene but plays to win and has that shark in the water hunger

    SO SCREW YOU!!!!!!!

  • JAY

    @everyone here wondering why other players don’t get the same criticism as Lebron.

    He was anointed the Chosen One.
    I don’t mean to offend anyone with this comparison but Jesus was crucified as the “King of the Jews” by his own people… the Jewish people. They didn’t believe he was “The King”. It was his disciples and followers who gave him nickname and the non-believers “hated’ on him. I guess when a huge claim like that is made, the masses will break you down, regardless of what “miracles” you do.

    I don’t follow any religion and I don’t believe in man-made miracles. Actually, Lebron performed a pretty good miracle last night. He had a triple-double and a shitty game at the same time. That’s impressive. I hope Lebron has fun golfing, or dancing, or biting his nails, or whatever else he does.

  • tp

    @ jay el

    the difference is that this cleveland team was the favorite to win it all.

  • fallinup

    @ jay el

    When the universe said… “Where’s KG at” when they won that chip… KG showed up. You can’t dispute that.

    He showed up this time too. And he brought a ‘washed up’ Celtics squad with him. Mind you… I’m yet to hear from anyone that picked BOSTON to get this far.

  • fallinup

    And as for all those Minny squads. The running joke was… “When will KG finally go postal and kill the front office.”

    You don’t get cracked on like that for not showing up. We could get into all kinds of specifics of why those Minny squads couldn’t round up the talent (Joe Smith anyone?)… but it’s beside to the point. KG is a proven killer. Even at his old age.

  • tp

    @JAY (#107)

    it’s not so much that lebron gets MORE criticism than anyone else, it’s just that because he has been anointed since he’s come into the league he has gotten by with the least criticism over the years. right now what you’re seeing is a complete backlash.

    one, you have the general non lebron fans that are sick of the “dick riding” that goes around here. for the most part, almost everyone can agree that lebron is the best player in the league. he was hands down the mvp and carried his team to the #1 seed, however he didnt perform nearly as well in the playoffs and neither did his team. so whos it on? both.

    you cannot give lebron all the credit for the regular season and then exonerate him and blame all his teammates for his playoff failures. you cant have it both ways.

    second off, you have kobe backers coming out in full force. yea it’s childish, but you can’t really blame them. kobe takes more criticism than lebron ever will. if kobe carries his team down by 18 by scoring 81, he’s a ball hog. if lebron scores 25 straight points against detroit in the playoffs, he’s amazing. like i said, you can’t have it both ways, hence the backlash.

  • http://facebook.com/Mr.Brogden Mr. Brogden

    EPIC FAIL.

    ANTAWN GOT EXPOSED SUMPTIN HORRIBLE

    WHY DOUBLE TEAM KG SO F’N LATE?

    THOUGHT TONY WAS GONNA TWIST HIS KNEE AGAIN THE WAY HE KEPT LANDING AWKWARDLY AFTER DUNKS. BUT STILL. HE WAS BUSTING THE CAVS ASSES.

    WHY WAS LEBRON PASSING IN THE 4TH?
    NO OTHER CAV SHOULDA TOUCHED THE DAMN BALL.

    DID ANYONE NOTICE? KG IS THE ONLY GUY ALLOWED TO TALK SH*T TO SHAQ. EVERY TIME SHAQ STEPPED OUT, KG CANNED IT AND TURNED ALL ‘EDDIE HOUSE’ ON DIESEL

    WHY WASN’T MO AGRESSIVE ALL SERIES?

    HOW MUCH OF A HEAD CASE WAS DELONTE LAST NIGHT?

    AT ONE POINT INSTEAD OF PULLING UP FOR A J, BIG BABY DROVE INTO TRAFFIC FOR AN ILL ADVISED CONTESTED LAY UP. AND I KNOW FOR A FACT, BECAUSE WHILE WAITING FOR FREE THROWS HE SAID IT VERY LOUDLY:
    “I F***D UP! I F***D UP!!”

    OH YEAH, PROPS TO THE CELTS

    MAGIC IN 5

  • Jay El

    @The Journeyman
    But that’s my point, KG had an inferior supporting cast. That time he made it to the conference finals he finally had two certified playoff studs with him…Spree and Cassell. Bron has neither (and don’t try to compare Jamison and Mo to Spree and Cassell). You might not remember but the whole time he was in Minny critics were all over KG questioning his heart in big games saying he couldn’t deliver, he didn’t have the killer instinct. Bron is in the same situation but people want to put it all on him like they forget what he did to Detroit a couple of years ago, if that’s not a killer instinct then it doesn’t exist. He dragged a team with Eric freaking Snow as the point guard to the Finals.

    @tp

    I’m a Cavs fan and even I didn’t think they were the favorite. That would be the Lakers. You might be talking about media hype. It looks like more a case of misplaced expectations than LeBron failing to deliver. Would you replace any of the Laker’s top four with the Cavs?

    Gasol or Jamison
    Bynum or Shaq
    Odom or Parker
    Artest or Mo

    And of course….
    Phil or Mike?

    In reality the Cavs were never the favorites.

  • Jay El

    @tp

    The whole team showed up during the regular season, hence the record and the number one seed, but please tell me who showed up besides LeBron in the playoffs. I want someone to give me a name and tell me who on the Cavs besides LeBron perform at or above the level that they played during the regular season. I’ll wait…..

  • http://twitter.com/PoppiGEE POPPI GEE

    Huh?

    I’m just saying:

    -Kobe doesn’t dance,
    -Kobe doesn’t have different 50 step handshakes for each player,
    -Kobe doesn’t have elaborate pre-game warm up scenes of taking pictures or using players as pins,
    -Kobe doesn’t soley rely upon being physically gifted,
    -Kobe doesn’t throw powder in the air,
    -Kobe isn’t a media circus.
    Oh yea and Kobe doesn’t get dunked on in his own camp (had to throw that one in). I could go on.

    Point simply being, Kobe been focused all year (including the off-season). I think the most fun I have seen Kobe having is a picture one of my homies put up of Kobe at Dave and Buster’s with his kids on FB.

    Kobe is providing, and has been for a little while, the blueprint for certain areas of the game that other dudes are still trying to catch on to and haven’t learned.

    I always say Kobe doesn’t get enough credit for his mind. While everyone is in awe of LeBron’s blocks, dunks and ect. I am always astounded by Kobe’s mental aspect of the game on and off the court. So calculated and appearing to never sleep in the regard of winning it all.

    It’s funny to see LeBron and Dwight Howard way more serious this year than last, cause last year while they were having a howdy-do time (yea I said howdy do), Kobe was winning it all.

    I ain’t talkin about stats, benches, coaches and stuff. I am talking about being mentally focused in and out of season. Not being silly all year and then tryna turn it on for the playoffs but being totally committed and focused for the goal. That is what Kobe is and the other’s aren’t. I feel like D-Wade is closer than LeBron, Howard and Melo, but still he ain’t at Kobe’s level for the seriousness, brash style at times, and total focus of it all.

    Props to the Celtics who seem to have more focus than many of these young-guns too, they just had a difficult year with injuries and chemistry.

    Also the Spurs. Boring as they might be, the dudes be focused. Age and time are whippin their butts right now but still they do more than most teams sometimes on focus alone.

    Kobe, KG, Duncan all seem to be the most focused in the game from my view. I ain’t saying don’t have fun and enjoy the game, but step ya mental game up and win now and play later.

  • http://twitter.com/PoppiGEE POPPI GEE

    Dang that ish was long hahaha lol.

  • fallinup

    @ Jay El

    “In reality the Cavs were never the favorites.”

    Bear with me… this will be a long post. This is the Vegas odds… as of April 12th. Each score are the 4 major betting sites out there predicting who’s got the best shot at the championship… so tell me… who were the favorites again???? Oh yeah right… Vegas don’t know shit about odds… but now Cavs fans do. hahahaha

    Atlanta Hawks
    +2500
    +2000
    +2000
    +2900
    Boston Celtics
    +1200
    +1200
    +800
    +1200
    Charlotte Bobcats
    +12500
    +10000
    +8000
    +13000
    Chicago Bulls
    +20000
    +10000
    +10000
    +22500
    Cleveland Cavaliers
    +180
    +140
    +150
    +195
    Dallas Mavericks
    +1200
    +1000
    +1000
    +1400
    Denver Nuggets
    +1200
    +1000
    +1000
    +1200
    Los Angeles Lakers
    +240
    +160
    +175
    +250
    Miami Heat
    +8500
    +8000
    +6000
    +8500
    Milwaukee Bucks
    +12500
    +10000
    +8000
    +13500
    Oklahoma City Thunder
    +4000
    +3000
    +4000
    +5000
    Orlando Magic
    +650
    +600
    +500
    +675
    Phoenix Suns
    +2500
    +3000
    +2500
    +3000
    Portland Trailblazers
    +5000
    +6000
    +3500
    +5500
    San Antonio Spurs
    +2000
    +2000
    +2000
    +2100
    Toronto Raptors
    +15000
    +10000
    +6600
    Utah Jazz
    +2100
    +1200
    +1500
    +2300

  • http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/703154723/the-soulchorea-project?pos=1 Kermit The Washington

    So Dime, here’s something no one’s talking about…does Shaq retire this off-season? Does anyone want him now? I think he’s DONE, whether he plays another year or not

  • The Journeyman

    @ Jay El

    I remember that run well…it was heartbreaking and you could visibly see the tears in KG’s eyes year after year when they would get put out in the First round consistently

    If you are crying over something it’s a human trait designed to reflect emotion, attachment, connection, etc

    Seeing LeBron just whatever it with his attitude shows he has disconnected from this reality. He wants a reality where he is a mogul and a champion all at once.

    Which is cool but I also saw in him a child who just sulks in his corner when things don’t go how he wants them too and how he is taking snapshots with the gang when they were winning.

    In respects to your team argument…I think of it like this, if his supporting cast had a couple of bums that could get the best record in the league this year, then just solely based on numbers, they could have lost 1 and won 3, lost 2 yet won 6-7, etc. So I don’t think he can continue to use teammates as an escapegoat

    LASTLY, That Killer instinct versus Detroit, was crazy…he has played like he wants to win PREVIOUS to now where you see he just doesn’t care. Actions speak louder than words and his actions show he doesn’t care

    P.S. As a cheap shot…the only person who cares about Cleveland is Mike Golic from Mike & Mike and maybe Drew Carey

    lol that’s it

  • fallinup

    And just for shits and giggles… the odds as of April 12th on who would win the Eastern Conference… HOLY SHIT… those damn CAVS weren’t favored to win at all. :)

    Atlanta Hawks
    +1000
    +1000
    +800
    Boston Celtics
    +600
    +400
    +500
    Charlotte Bobcats
    +6500
    +5000
    +5000
    Chicago Bulls
    +10000
    +10000
    +5000
    Cleveland Cavaliers
    -200
    -300
    -300
    Miami Heat
    +4000
    +4000
    +2500
    Milwaukee Bucks
    +4000
    +4000
    +3500
    Orlando Magic
    +333
    +250
    +250
    Toronto Raptors
    +6000
    +8000
    +4000

  • JAY

    If I remember it correctly, James was the guy who wanted Shaq, and then he praised Jamison when they brought him in. Didn’t he also come up with that stupid duck sign for Big Z to return??
    Lebron build the team. Another reason to hate on him.
    *reaching*

  • tp

    @114/jay el

    i’m a lakers fan straight up. i may may be biased due to that nature, but i wont go as far as lakeshow84 and say lebrons supporting cast is the best in the league. i have plenty of lakers hater friends and we have great arguments with each other so i hope you bear with me like they have.

    with regards to supporting casts (toughest argument to sell, but even they agree i have a point). look, take away kobe and the lakers are legit playoff threat. not finals worthy, but legit. take away lebron and u have a team that doesnt make the playoffs, I GET THAT.

    however, this doesnt work like that. you can’t compare apples and oranges because kobe and lebron are different players and their teams operate differently. this cavs team was built AROUND lebron. lets face it, they played awesome team ball during the regular season. everyone is complementary to him. they have what, 5 all stars on that team? its not like they CANT ball. the age excuse only goes so far (see: 2010 celtics). i dont want to go into detail about every player cuz that will just take forever. but i’ll give u one example: you traded for shaq strictly for d12/lakers purposes. i’ll even admit i was legitimately afraid of shaq, he eats bynum alive.

    kobes cast is very good without him. however the difference is coaching. everyone here sacrifices a lot for kobe to get his. i mean, ron artest forgot how to friggin shoot! everyone on this lakers team wants it. pau wants more shots, bynum wants more shots, ron artest wants to shoot 3′s, but they all have to give up something. hell it aint going to be kobe, we know this.

    does it sound hypocritical? a little bit, but it’s really not. the cavs team goes as far as lebron goes, and thats not necessarily his fault. like i said before, this wasnt a random collection of scrubs, they picked up pieces FOR lebron. when he does his thing everyone fills their roles well and he deserved his MVP. so what happened here? he didnt do his thing, and consequently his team couldnt pick it up cuz they RELY on him to pull through. that’s not necessarily their fault either. this blame goes all the way around. is it their fault lebron did what he did throughout the year and couldnt do it in the playoffs? no, you gotta hand it to the celtics D there. lebron STILL needs to work on his jumper, once they clog the paint and go under all the screens their team struggles. THAT’s on him.

  • Jay El

    @fallinup
    Sorry fella I don’t know much about Vegas and odds, but I do know that Vegas weighs its odds to make sure one team doesn’t get too much action and they don’t take losses. Actual basketball talent, team composition and coaching are only part of the equation, it’s most advanced math.

    When I say favorite I mean the best team, not who everyone thinks is going to win. The Cavaliers were never the best team. Once again people believe what the media tells them like when everyone said that Boston was washed up. People have short memories because the Celts did start the season 25-3 didn’t they. They hit some injuries and ended up with a 4 seed but you can’t tell me that they’re really 4 seed material. Just to show you how valid those odds are to actual basketball, it looks like Boston has similar odds to Denver and Dallas. Nobody who knows anything about basketball would ever think that Denver (probably the most unstable team in the League) or Dallas (a team that routinely chokes in the playoffs) is on the same level as the Boston Celtics or has a similar chance of winning the chip.

  • tp

    @fallinup

    thanks for the obvious, sometimes ppl need reminders. can’t see the forest when you’re in the trees ya know what i mean

  • tp

    @ jay el

    you may be ONE person who thought the cavs didnt have the best team, but almost everyone else thought the cavs were the favorite coming in. does this mean you know MORE basketball than everyone else because you were right? not true.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2010/matchup/_/teams/Celtics-Cavaliers

    see the bottom right

    just sayin. the cavs were a let down, this wouldn’t be “news” if it was what everyone expected.

  • control

    LeBron posted damn near 30-20-10…and I’ve never been so disgusted with a way a guy plays ever. I think he’s the best player in the NBA, but he showed last night there is something wrong in his head. You are down 4 points, in the 4th quarter, and you just hit two amazing 3 point shots…so you think the best idea is to pass the ball to ANDERSON FUCKING VALGINA ON THE RUN?!?! He can’t fucking chew gum and walk at the same time, and you are going to drop the ball to him while he is sprinting? Fucking retarded, they should have both counted as turnovers on LeBron James.

    Anyone notice a few plays where Valgina was apparently cut or some shit and didn’t even walk down the court on offense, and Mo Williams just shrugged and proceeded to play 5on4 for a pair of possessions? The rest of the team didn’t even know he wasn’t there, and really didn’t care. But, WHY doesn’t Mike Brown call a fucking time out to save those two possessions? Mike Brown is the worst coach in the NBA, no questions asked.

    I was rooting for Cleveland to win, but after watching that disgraceful game, I am glad they lost. If the city decided to riot and burn itself to the ground, good fuckin riddance. Even the Cav’s “top notch” defense was absolutely stupid. They played guys 7-8ft off of Rondo, but still let him thread a needle to an open Perks or KG who slipped behind the defense like 4-5 times? How does that happen more than once in one game, ever? The Cavs had NO offense at all, let Jesus Dog jack a shot, or let LeBron do something while other guys just lay around. AP, West, Jamison, and Valgina were purely worthless.

    All told, last night was one of the most poorly executed basketball games I’ve ever seen, that falls completely on Mike Brown and LeBron James.

  • Iceman

    Fire Mike Brown, do not resign Shaq, sign Joe Johnson maybe an upgrade at point and power forward or center (sign and trade Jameson for Bosh). If not it looks like this (if they get Johnson) otherwise that team will not scare anyone because Batman needs an upgrade on Robin.

    Varejo, Jameson, James, Parker (Johnson?), Williams

    Z, Hinkson, Powe, Moon, , West, Gibson

  • Jay El

    @tp
    Man you can’t be serious…5 allstars? Where? Shaq? Jamison?Mo? None of them play at an all star level anymore and certainly not in the playoffs. Yes the players were picked with Lebron in mind, but the question is what did they accomplish in the playoffs? When the games really count what did they contribute? I know Lebron has to lead by example, but the facts are even when he does there’s not enough around him to win. When Lebron drives to the basket and the whole Celtics squad collapses on him and he kicks it to Mo who proceeds to cave in the side of the rim, you’re telling me that’s on Lebron? When Rondo eats Mo alive and rains Hurricane Katrina style buckets on him that’s on Lebron? When Antawn goes for 5 points and disappears all playoffs that’s on Lebron? And I know that those guys CAN ball, that’s what’s so frustrating, I’m not saying that they’re scrubs, they just didn’t show up in the playoffs and they are most definitely NOT allstars.

  • fallinup

    @ Jay El

    Look at those odds again brother… Cavs weren’t just favored.. they were heavily favored. Especially to make the finals. I don’t know what reality you live in bro… but vegas odds are the best way to see who the favorites are. They don’t just make these lines up… the study like no other.

  • tp

    @ jay el

    i’m sure its frustrating as hell. you misunderstood me a bit, i meant that the blame goes all the way around. i just hate seeing that ALL the blame should go to the role players. the fact that this team relies on lebron to hit 3′s and bulldoze his way to the basket is ultimately why you guys lost, cuz it’s easy to stop if he’s not hitting his jumpers. thats what i meant by THAT part specifically being lebron’s fault.

    he’s still the best player in the league (in what he’s able to do and does on a nightly basis, not on skill level), but he really needs to work on his jumper. go back 4-5 years ago and kobe was terrible at catch and shooting. now you’d be dead to leave him open.

  • Jay El

    I wouldn’t say that I know more basketball than everyone, I’ll just say that I am more of a realist. Strictly talking basketball. Let’s say you have a team where the point guard isn’t really a point, disappears in big games and is a liability on defense to the point he has to be switched off of his man because he gets routinely killed, the center is just about 40 years old and can’t move or elevate consistently anymore, 3 out of the 5 starters are defensive liabilities and have been ALL year. If I gave you that information would you think that was a championship team, regardless of what other people were saying, especially knowing that the 2 most important positions on the floor are point and center? And then you have the coaching issue…have you seen Mike Brown coach? Red flags should’ve went up last year in the Orlando series, he is not a championship coach. I saw all of those things for what they were all year, those issues are not new.

  • Byron

    I like how this edition of smack is the only media outlet not talking about whats next for Lebron. Only so much speculating you can do. He played a heck of a game besides those turnovers…and they were costly.

  • fallinup

    @ Jay El… “Just to show you how valid those odds are to actual basketball, it looks like Boston has similar odds to Denver and Dallas. Nobody who knows anything about basketball would ever think that Denver (probably the most unstable team in the League) or Dallas (a team that routinely chokes in the playoffs) is on the same level as the Boston Celtics or has a similar chance of winning the chip.”

    Dallas and Denver were the 2-4 respectively in a stacked Western Conference.

    Boston was a 4 seed in a shitty eastern conference.

    You throw Boston in the west and they would have been struggling to make the friggin playoffs. So yeah… i think the odds were just right in that respect.

    You’re argument is as invalid as they come.

  • Jay El

    @ tp

    Oh yeah, Bron stunk it up game five but facts is facts, nobody else showed up so they deserve the blame. Perfect example is the Portland series vs the Bulls. I forget which game it was but the Bulls starters were stinking up, playing bad, bad body language, no execution, no urgency, the whole nine. Phil yanks his starters, including Pip and MJ and runs the 2nd team out there. The 2nd team hustles, executes and goes on a run and gets the Bulls back in the game. The 1st team comes back in an finishes the game off. The point is the supporting cast did not wait for MJ to take over, they didn’t see MJ’s weak play and fold, they went on the court and did their thing. And we’re talking the greateset ever that needed support. That’s what a team does and what the Cavs didn’t do.

  • JAY

    @Jay El
    For someone who “don’t know much about Vegas and odds”, you sure spit out a lot of opinions about it. They also take into account recent history and other shit.

    Did you watch Boston slip after their quick start?? You may have a bit of a short memory too bcuz Sheed didn’t start playing until the playoffs. KG played like crap during the regular season. I think the similar odds between the Mavs and Boston going into the playoffs is pretty accurate. It’s easy for you to say the Vegas odds were a little incorrect NOW because they just whooped the Cavs and the Cavs played like shit. Hindsight is 20-20, bud. Denver is as dangerous a team as anybody and the same goes with Dallas. Going into the playoffs, in my opinion, the odds were nearly spot on.

    Btw, how much weight does Vegas put on “coaching”. Not much because if it was heavily weighted, the Nuggets would be less favorite bcuz George Karl wasn’t on the bench.

  • IAMRICH

    i swear there is no objectivity from you guys at DIME, your blatant lust over Lebron is evident by the way the article started. “Lebron had a hell of a game”. Sorry 9 turnovers does not equate to “a hell of a game” unless somehow you show some greatness to get your team a must needed win despite those turnovers. Fact is the cavs needed a great game from him, and for what ever reason his mind wasnt there. Thats how today’s smack should have began, instead it stared out with excuses.

  • Jay El

    @fallinup

    Boston is no 4 seed. The regular season record was a direct result of injuries that they had…past tense. They’re healthy now and the same team that started the season something like 25-3. I’m not a betting guy, but I’ll take any odds that right now Boston would murk Dallas or Denver in a 7 game series. They’d rip Utah, Portland or OKC as well.

  • -SEIZ-

    Simply put Lebron didn’t show up. Who cares about the triple double? If you saw the game that triple double held no weight. Lebron did not care enough to win. He played so nonchalant, whereas the only Cavs player in my opinion that cared was Mo Williams. I don’t know what it was but Lebron was not himself. I was expecting a 25 point outburst circa Detroit 2007. Who knows what was wrong, but this loss was most definately on Lebron.

  • air99

    Lebron four words for you man “We are all witnesses”. LMAO

  • Jay El

    Denver got mollywhopped by an injury depleted Utah squad, how dangerous are they? Sure on paper and during the regular season, but in the post season not so much. Dallas got knocked out by an old decrepit Spurs team and year after year choke themselves out they’re never a real contender.

    @JAY
    Did you watch Boston slip after their quick start?? You may have a bit of a short memory too bcuz Sheed didn’t start playing until the playoffs. KG played like crap during the regular season

    And that’s my point, regular season doesn’t matter in the postseason and odds seem to be based on regular season performance. Denver and Dallas have never been good postseason teams, Boston has, so those odds don’t mean much.

    Again, expectations and odds don’t match reality. The reality is that Cleveland was widely overrated and Boston was vastly underrated, there is no disputing that.

  • Jay El

    @ -SEIZ-

    19 rebounds, my man…you don’t get 19 rebounds against KG in the playoffs if you don’t care.

  • fallinup

    @ Jay

    We could agree to disagree on that one. I think Dallas, Denver, or even Utah and OKC would give Boston (a healthy Boston) a run for there money. But that’s neither here there or anywhere…

    Back to my point. The CAVS have been favorites since opening day. No matter how much you happen to feel about that after watching them get waxed by Boston. Maybe if they wouldn’t have… you wouldn’t have to defend your excuses. But facts is facts… the CAVS lost. Lebron… the Cavs… the city of Cleveland. Stop finding excuses for your boy. THEY, HIM, THEM… LOST.

    It’s over until next season.

  • fallinup

    Sorry, @ Jay El ^^^

  • -SEIZ-

    @ Jay El

    So do you honestly believe that Lebron left it all out there on the court? Was he trying to force the issue and will the win?

  • fallinup

    *** sigh… @ jay el again… “19 rebounds, my man…you don’t get 19 rebounds against KG in the playoffs if you don’t care.”

    9 turnovers, broham. Let me guess, that last one in crunch time… with the game on the line… it wasn’t Bron’s fault.. it was his leg’s… no wait… it was that uneven Boston floor. Give it a break.

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    I won’t indulge in the LBJ-bashing because everyone has said what needed to be already for the most part.

    But, I would like to say this definitively: Kill the Kobe-LeBron comparisons. Personally, I’ve always felt it was slightly insulting (and a media-driven, Madison Avenue-concocted, travesty) to compare a player with 4 rings, 6 Finals appearances in 14 seasons to a player with no, 1 Finals appearance in 7 seasons. It used to be that you had to beat the best to be the best, you know a la MJ vs. Magic in 1991.

    Truthfully, it was all there for LBJ this year. The team (please stop with the bullshit about LBJ supporting cast! Every expert in basketball and most real-NBA fans know that Cleveland has the most well-rounded team all season long), the experience (’07 Finals, ’08 Boston, ’09 Magic), and the reasons (LBJ free-agency).

    LBJ will be fine. His career is only halfway defined. He could potentially dominate the league for the next 10 years (although I’ve always believed Dwight Howard is LBJ’s biggest threat. Dwight doesn’t miss games and his offense is improving. In two years, Dwight could easily resemble Shaq in 2000), but until he begins to understand that championships will make him a billionaire mogul, not marketing on Madison Avenue (while LBJ was promoting a film this offseason, Kobe learned a post-game from Hakeem), he may never reached his unlimited potential.

    Good luck this summer LBJ…

  • -SEIZ-

    @ Jay El

    Forget the stats. Just by watching the game (not sure if you did) can you honestly say he left it all on the court by watching hid performance. Forget the stats.

  • Jay El

    @ fallinup
    The thing is I didn’t come to this conclusion after they lost, I’ve felt this way all along. I never thought they were the favorites. From the season opener, I thought Orlando, Boston and LA were better teams. And that’s cool we can agree to disagree on Dallas and Denver, but I do give Boston props, I think they’re better than people gave them credit for. I was nervous about that matchup before the series started.

    @ -SEIZ-

    Game 5 no, end of game 4 he could have pushed it more, but overall yes. But the thing is Bron gets double teamed, triple teamed, what is he supposed to do…jack up a terrible shot, force his way through a triple team of Pierce, Garnett and Perkins or pass it off to a wide open “3 point shooter”. Him forcing the action does not equate to him caring, hitting the open man is just good basketball under those conditions.

  • Jay El

    @ fallinup

    The turnovers were his fault, I’m not saying they weren’t, I’m not saying he played the perfect game or that he doesn’t bear some responsibility, I just don’t believe the “he didn’t try” crap. I state the 19 rebounds because to me you don’t get 19 boards if you’ve given up.

  • control

    Jay El

    If you watched the game, you can see how he, if not gave up, then made HORRIBLE choices down the stretch. He just didn’t look like he gave a fuck out there, it was obvious by his personality, demeanor and attitude.

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    @Jay El

    You unabashed defense of LBJ performance is admirable, but this is a perfect example of why the LBJ-backlash is on full blast right now.

    Triple-double or not, LBJ was not totally engaged games 4-6 no matter what the stat line is. It was his lack of drives to the hoop, short-armed jumpers, uncharacteristic turnovers. Simply put, it seemed as if he was already thinking about the summer. Any that watched this series games 4-6 could see this.

    As a fan, sometimes it’s okay to say “My guy had a bad series, but he has many years to get it right…”

  • QQ

    Wow aint use at getting this late at the party. LOL.

    Well, this is it. This is where it all goes away. This is where the ‘King’ label drops. This is where the best player in the world label gors back to Kobe, the righful owner. This is where we haters proves that we’re not dumbasses as all you Bron fanboy would like to shove down out throats.

    Simply put: He didn’t deliver.

    No excuses.

    No but’s.

    No if’s.

    No nothing.

    And it’s not even the stats anymore. Bron is a beast, and can get those stats anytime he wants. That’s how good he is. But we were all waiting for something else. We were waiting for him to do anything, EVERYTHING to get the win. We were waiting for that middle finger to all haters, a game that will shut all us up. He didn’t get it. For real, the team to beat, eliminated in the SECOND ROUND?

    They were the team to beat. He is the best player in that team. This is the year when they had all the pieces.

    But he didn’t deliver.

    Can I finally say… ALL YOU FUCKING BRON DICK RIDERS, YOU OUGHTTA SHUT THE FUCK UP NOW. WE’VE BEEN HEARING YOUR SHIT FOR YEARS NOW. YOU WE’RE ALL PROVEN WRONG. NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP.

    As for his future, I would like to like the guy. I guess, this is finally the moment that he’ll tone down the act.

    Where he finally shed the strut.

    The self righteous swagger.

    The empty Chosen One.

    If he’ll do that, it isn’t hard to root for him

    But until then… TELL ME HOW OUR ASSES TASTE, LEBRON.

  • tp

    @DGtheEnigma

    im just gonna “amen” your comments, well said

  • fallinup

    @ jay el

    Sooooo glad you brought up the “Lebron was double teamed” argument… I’ve been waiting for it. Because now we can TOTALLY SQUASH the MJ/Bron comparisons.

    Sure… Bron faced a double team. But it wasn’t nearly anything like Jordan Rules. And still, MJ got through it in year 7 after totally getting his ass kicked the two previous years. Give MJ that Celtics double team… you think the Bulls are losing to Boston three times in a row????

    Thank you. The MJ/BRON comparison needs to rest.. .next to the Kobe/Bron comparison… When and yes..I said WHEN… he finally gets that chip… then we can open this up to discussion.

    Thank you.

    And one last thing here, jay el. You must have missed that last minute of the game when Cavs were down 9. THE WHOLE FRIGGIN TEAM THREW IN THE TOWEL.

    That is the least talked about aspect of the game. But it was the MOST DISGRACEFUL.

    Aint no triple double brushing that away… you say Lebron tried?… he should have went over and ripped Brown’s head off after that bullshit.

  • JAY

    @Jay El
    You have an excuse for everything. It’s really amazing to read all of your posts. You get 2 thumbs up for the bullshit you’re spewing.

    “Boston is no 4 seed. The regular season record was a direct result of injuries that they had… past tense.”
    Not just injuries. They also played like shit… or did you conveniently forget that? Orlando, Atlanta and of course Cleveland finished ahead of them. Arguably you can place the Celts over Atlanta, who played extremely well this season. So we’ll give you that they aren’t a 4-seed. They’re a 3 seed. AND?? How does this help your argument??

    Hats off to the Celts. They beat the Cavs and scared LBJ in a shell. Regardless of what your view is about the rest of the team, HLebron didn’t make good basketball plays and failed to realize that he should have stepped up to the plate and take over. Kobe tried to take over games is an 19 year old. Remember the airballs he threw up?? He was only 19, and probably shouldn’t have but at least he tried. That was the first time we got to see Kobe’s go-down-trying, i’m-an-assassin, killer instinct that made his career. Even though the shots were airballs.

  • tp

    hahahahha QQ

    i must say i disagree with you 75% of the time but u will always be one of my favorites here. if thats even the real you.

    as for jay el, just let it slide guys. wrong or right (he’s mostly wrong) i give him props for still sticking up for his guy. just pray lebron goes to the clippers, that would be a team to wreckon with

  • JAY

    Like I said, what’s amazing is that Lebron had a triple-double and still played like shit.

    Btw, I was routing for that 10th turnover so he could get the very ugly quadruple-double.

  • Jay El

    @fallinup

    Lebron is no MJ I never said that he was, he’s not even close to MJ’s level yet. Jordan is probably the only person that could overcome that…yet when he won championships he learned to pass to Paxson, Kerr, Pippen, whoever and they delivered. Pax hit the 3 to clinch the championship vs. PHX, Kerr hit one to clinch versus Portland. Jordan could beat doubles and triples, but he learned that even he had to rely on his teammates. My point is Lebron does not have a Paxson or Kerr let alone a Pippen and it showed in the playoffs. Once again if Bron passes off to an open Mo who proceeds to cave in the side of the rim, who’s fault is that? Paxson hit his open 3, Horry hit his…

  • Ian

    dizzle
    HUH? maybe i lost something in translation there but you are bashin me for the sayin the same thing u r sayin thats what i kinda told lakeshow that cleveland is not the deepest team.

  • control

    JAY

    He SHOULD have had a few more turnovers. Passing the ball to Anderson Valgina should automatically be considered a fucking turn over, everyone knows he sucks and is going to throw it away, so you give it to him? That ain’t Valgina’s fault, that’s on LeBron.

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    From J.A. Adande:

    “For now, this second consecutive loss as the No. 1 seed in the playoffs disqualifies him from Michael Jordan comparisons, because, among other things, Jordan won all 23 series he played with home-court advantage…”

    LeBron James = NBA’s Alex Ovechkin

  • fallinup

    @ DGtheEnigma

    Thank you!!! My childhood memories feel a whole helluva lot more intact today!!!

    That stat is one I’ll take to grave with me. :)

  • QQ

    @ tp:

    This is the real me. Hahaha. Not to brag, but cat, no faker can come close to the real Q’s insight. I should be up there with Kenny and Charles. LOL just playing man.

    So are you one of us? The haters that these fools are always labeling as dumbasses? If so, let’s celebrate brother! haha

  • Jay El

    @JAY
    Not just injuries. They also played like shit… or did you conveniently forget that? How does this help your argument??

    No I didn’t and that was the regular season…the argument from me is that Boston is better than people gave them credit for, they shut down the Cavs. People here are making it sound like Lebron choked against some random Atlanta Hawks type 4 seed when Boston realistically is a vetern squad that won a championship. They’re one of the best POSTSEASON teams in the NBA. You can throw the regular season out the window the minute the first game of the playoffs start, I don’t care about the regular season. Last year was a good example, without Garnett, they took Orlando to a game 7.

    Okay I get your point about Kobe but what about Lebron’s 25 against the Pistons, that to me is a real assassin, and he did it out of necessity. Game’s 4 and 5 I thought Lebron absolutely should’ve been more aggressive, but once again the Celtics deserve credit. And while we’re making the comparison, I believe Kobe suffered the same fate if not worse at the hands of the Celtics. Any comments on that?

  • QQ

    And I would like to crash the party, and I was reading this cat Jay El’s posts. Dammit man. Don’t know anyone can REACH like that? It’s either you’re Lebron or Burton in disguise.

    Daaaamit man. Bron choked. Simple as that. Give us haters this night. It’s OUR night. LOL.

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    @fallinup

    Hey, I didn’t want to do it. But since everyone wants to compare LBJ to MJ/Kobe, let the facts show differently, not opinions.

    For he who wears the crown, the burden is heavy…

  • fallinup

    Hmmm… jay el… I think I’m safe to assume that 25 point outburst was a fluke now. :) Just saying… Bron shoulda dug deep to find that assassin in him.. .because it sure as hell wasn’t there this time around. haha

    Even the sun shines on a dog’s ass sometimes… try not to dig back more than a few years on one game to prove Bron is an assassin. We need more than that to prove Bron aint no chump.

    Can you explain that last minute??? What’s you’re excuse for the entire team rolling over and dying before the last buzzer… last I knew… even in a blowout.. you go down swinging.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/heh8meN1 heh8meN1

    The Basketball Gods Have Spoken.

    The top six players in the history of the NBA were all Players of the Decade:
    1. Miken- 1950′s
    2. Wilt- 1960′s
    3. Kareem-1970′s
    4. Magic- 1980′s
    5. Jordan-1990′s
    6. Kobe- 2000′s.

    The point being, until further notice (next 7-8 years) Lebron should never be mentioned in the same context. For fans,

    journalist, historians and past players to continue to include him with the “Untouchables”, they are either blind, deaf, dumb or

    all of the above.

    Lebron fans, cleveland fans, and cav fans need to stay in the moment and keep their heads out of the clouds and keep their feet

    firmly on the ground. There is a group of 6- 7 players who are on their way to join those legends and claim the stake of Player

    of the 2010′s:

    1. Lebron
    2. Wade
    3. Melo
    4. Chris Paul
    5. Deron
    6. D. Howard.

    And if I were a betting man, I’d put my money on Wade. He’s a “proven” commodity and has that fire which separates the greats from the “goods”. That being said, don’t count the Mamba out. He, like Mike and Magic, will try to keep everyone off the apex until his wheels come off.

    My two cents
    In order for LBJ to be the next “ONE” he needs to:

    1. Sacrifice. It cost to be the boss: Blood, Sweat, Tears & Toil. Put all the “off the court” activities and “global

    aspirations” on the shelf and dedicate every waking moment to becoming a leader that can will his team to victory.
    2. Adjust his attitude and approach every game like it’s his last.
    3. Respect the Game. Leave the dancing, prancing and show boating to the cheerleaders and half-time performers.
    4. Resign with the Cavs. Make it your life’s work to bring a NBA championship to the city of Cleveland. No matter where you go

    your “legacy” will always be hitched to the cavs. Download “Tebow’s Pledge” and listen to it until you have it memorized and

    recite it to the fans next season on opening night.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sGv2Zw-WQw

    5. Re-Up with the Olympic team. Take another class of basketball 2.4 and continue to learn first-hand as much as you can from

    the only “untouchable” still lacing them up.

    Being a TRUE FAN is not always a walk in the park. Deniro couldn’t have encapsulated what it means to be a FAN any better:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wYbpVL8OzY

  • Jay El

    @ fallinup

    The last minute I’ll give, no idea whatsoever. But no one answered the Kobe comparison. What happened to Kobe in the Celtics series? Weren’t the Lakers up by like 25 in one of those games and still got ran off the floor. Boston murdered the Lakers, why no criticism of Kobe? Where was the assassin? How many times has Kobe maliciously tanked a game just to prove a point? It just seems that people conveniently forget that stuff. Oh and the Kobe-led Lakers were up 3-1 on the Suns and still lost the series…no comments?

  • fallinup

    Wanna know when Lebron finally gets it… it’s when he hits a game winner and isn’t cheering like a school girl. It’s call confidence in crunch time… soon he’ll learn that it IS a hunger.

    I’m off to lunch but sure I’ll be back to slack off from work here in a little bit. haha

    But I step out with one good quote from the true GOAT.

    “I’ve missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I’ve lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I’ve been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I’ve failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.”

    Don’t get me wrong… Bron will get there. But I’ll happily say… NOT YET!

  • tp

    i don’t hate lebron, i just hate his immunity. it’s about time he gets some heat. he’s like a girl when it comes to arguments cuz everything is a double standard when it comes to him

    like jay el said (hypocrisy abound!) above, lebron scored 25 straight out of necessity against detroit. where was it against the celtics? we know what he’s capable of doing but he failed to do it. that’s what it was. it wasn’t a choke, he failed.

    and really stop bringing up kobe, it’s not helping u out. kobe takes 100000x more criticism than lebron. he doesnt say he spoils us, he doesnt walk off the court, he doesnt show up his opponents. he was the best player in the league that year and u know what he said when he lost? he was humbled, he had to get better, had to get tougher. u dont see that out of lebrons mouth cuz he’s the king, he spoils us! we should bow down to him! c’mon now..

  • tp

    damnit jay el,

    the lakers were a freakin 7 seed starring kwame, smush, and luke walton. i’ll sum up yesterday’s post: kobe came out FIRING that first half and carried their sorry asses from a 17 point deficit to a 15 point deficit. thats right, it was cut by two points. the team gave up, kobe gave up. it wasnt excusable and he was RIGHTFULLY criticized for it. kobe was criticized by everyone, including us.

    thats our point damnit. take the criticism for lebron. get better and get back to us.

  • Jay El

    One more thing to think about…If you put Kobe on the Cavaliers, do the Cavs win the championship? I think Kobe would make it maybe 2 months with the Cavs before he commits triple murder right there on the court. How long before he’d spazz out on Mike Brown, how many times would he take a pass bouncing off of Andy’s hands? He’d probably strangle Mo for missing so many open shots. Kobe on the Cavs would not have beaten the Celtics. You can put Wade there, same thing. Now on the flipside, you put Lebron the Lakers do they win a championship, especially with Phil’s coaching…I say yes.

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    Kobe Bryant and LeBron James no longer belong in the same sentence…or commercials (we haven’t seen a peep of the MVPuppets in awhile).

    This was LeBron’s last chance to prove he was in Kobe’s league. Came up donuts.

    Dead the comparisons. It’s silly.

  • Jay El

    @ tp

    You must’ve missed my post where I said that I didn’t think that Lebron was aggressive as he should’ve been in games 4 and 5, he didn’t take charge like he should’ve. He should’ve went into MJ mode and took over but he didn’t. I fully agree with those points. Now about Kobe’s Celtics series, no one is answering that question.

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    @Jay El

    No ones answering your question about the Boston series because when Kobe lost to Boston in 08′ as MVP of the league, he came back the next season…and won a championship.

    LeBron lost to Orlando in 09′ as MVP of the league, he came back and lost to Boston in the semi-finals.

    Stop it.

  • tp

    damnit!!

    thanks DG, im tired. he’s not reading what we’re saying at all.

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    The Basketball Gods Have Spoken.

    The top six players in the history of the NBA were all Players of the Decade:
    1. Miken- 1950′s
    2. Wilt- 1960′s
    3. Kareem-1970′s
    4. Magic- 1980′s
    5. Jordan-1990′s
    6. Kobe- 2000′s.

    The point being, until further notice (next 7-8 years) LeBron should never be mentioned in the same context. For fans, journalist, historians and past players to continue to include him with the “Untouchables”, they are either blind, deaf, dumb or all of the above.

    There is a group of 6- 7 players who are on their way to join those legends and claim the stake of Player of the 2010′s:

    1. LeBron
    2. Wade
    3. Melo
    4. Chris Paul
    5. Deron
    6. Dwight

    And if I were a betting man, I’d put my money on Wade. He’s a “proven” commodity and has that fire which separates the greats from the “goods”.

  • Jay El

    He came back the next season with Odom, Bynum, Gasol, Ariza, Fisher and Phil. Lebron came back with 40 year old Shaq, Mo Williams, Jamison and Mike Brown and went as far as anyone could with that team. Listen, I agree that Kobe is better than Lebron but my original point is that this Cavalier team was not exactly the Lakers so the result should have been expected regardless of the expectations and when Kobe faced the Celtics the results were the same and he had a better team than Lebron has now.

  • tp

    that same team u speak of spanked the lakers twice this year. dont forget the foam hands being tossed on christmas day in LA.

    you have a good team, im done with ur denial

  • QQ

    ‘you put Lebron the Lakers do they win a championship, especially with Phil’s coaching…I say yes.’

    Dammit, it’s always like that.

    You put someone that can defend Shaq, they win a chip… yes. (Shaq)

    You put a 20 point scorer that can take the load off… they win a chip… yes (Jamison).

    Simply put: He was SUPPOSED to win. He didn’t. So WE win. Period.

    You keep on badgering the Kobe issue, I’ll answer you. Kobe didn’t performed well in the Celts series, lost and got criticized RIGHTFULLY. Went back next year and won it all, criticisms die, and talk is about is he top 10 ALL TIME now.

    With Bron. Was picked to reach the Finals last year, didn’t do that, walked away a sore loser. Was criticized RIGHTFULLY. Came back this year dominating the season, won MVP. Dick riders like you are back on his nuts, anointing him again as the best as always. Went to the playoffs with an upgraded team, the Number 1 OVERALL seed, and THE favorites to win it all. Expectations are high, but lost at the fucking second round. Is getting criticized RIGHTFULLY now.

    So, what’s the fucking problem now?

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    Just for kicks, I wonder if LeBron will be putting up five straight 30 point games in the playoffs in his 14th season in the league?

  • Jay El

    DGtheEnigma

    I agree with the list. I think y’all mistaking me because I never put Lebron in Jordan or Kobe’s class, he’s just not there yet. I just think that he’s maxed out his situation meaning that with the teammates and coaching staff that he has this is about as far as he’s gonna go and it’s not so much a statement on his abilities but the surrounding situation.

  • sh!tfaced

    LMFAO! Gotta give to Jay El, dude is one persistent mofo.

    If only LeBron had Jay El’s hard-ass fighting spirit. If the Cavs showed that kind of pride, we’d all prolly be looking forward and talkin’ Game 7 right now…

  • tp

    @ QQ i think u meant d12/bynum there where u put shaq, but yea thats what i’ve been saying. apples and oranges, u cant mix and match. that team was built for lebron, so obviously kobe wouldnt work there as well (tho i still think ppl are under estimating him)

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    MJ’s 23-0 with home-court advantage in the playoffs stat is amazing. Just wanted to point out that Kobe is 24-1, the one loss was to the Pistons in the 04′ Finals. Not Jordan but still pretty impressive…

    LeBron’s home-court advantage stat? 3-2…in 7 seasons.

    Stop it.

  • JAY

    “I’m off to lunch but sure I’ll be back to slack off from work here in a little bit. haha”
    Awesome! i just came back from lunch. Lol!

    @Jay El
    If you switch Lebron w/ Wade or Kobe, I can’t guarantee the Cavs win a championship but i can guarantee that those 2 guys don’t turtle-up and hide in their shells. Mike Brown or not, Kobe will take 30-35 shots on that Cavs team and won’t give a shit about what anybody says afterwards.

    @DGtheEnigma
    You beat me to it. I was going to post the same thing.
    @Jay El
    You would figure James, who says he’s all about winning, would use last year’s elimination as motivation to dominate and accept nothing less than a trip to the Finals. Kobe learned and came back hungrier. Explain that.

  • QQ

    @ tp..

    Yeah thanks for the keen eye there, it’s supposed to be Dwight.

    LOL @ shtfaced. Don’t yall think Jay El’s actually Lebron? Cos kid aint stoppin even if yall answer him with cold hard facts.

  • Jay El

    Q,

    You not hearing me man…I never said he’s the best, he’s not. But where was the 20 point scorer in the playoffs? Was it Lebron’s fault Jamison averaged like 11 points in the series? Shaq is 40 years old, he’s not defending much of anybody, is that Lebron’s fault? It’s funny that I’m the Cavs fan but everyone else loves them so much and think that they’re so great. Truthfully, minus Lebron, the team is not that good come PLAYOFF TIME. That’s a fact.

  • QQ

    What we are saying is, just STOP the excuses. It’s like this, we’ve been hearing it for years now. We’ve been hearing a new excuse every time Bron loses.

    Did you see our posts before the game? Most of our posts are saying ‘Its not over yet. We’ll wait and see. Maybe Bron will shut us up’.

    HE DIDN’T.

    This is the year that no excuse can be accepted. It’s all him. Period.

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    @Jay El

    No, it’s not LeBron’s fault that his teammates didn’t show up in this series. But, it is LeBron’s fault that in Game 4 he had a team high 6 turnovers and held to 20 points. In Game 5, he was a no show. In Game 6, he had a team high 9 turnovers.

    No excuses. LeBron (and his teammates and coach) had a bad series. Period.

  • LakeShow84

    LMAO still on the Kobe shit..

    People just dont get it.. Kobe is a winner, Dwade is a winner, Tim Duncan is a winner, Shit DWIGHT HOWARD is a winner..

    I look at winners as people who have never met a moment to big for them.. and since they still on top of said moments they conquer them.. Lebron always looks scared of that final minute in the could be final game of the deep postseason..

    @ Jay El

    your right we were up 3-1 against the 2nd seed.. which wouldve made us what?? Well shit that made the 7th seed right?? How many pts did Kobe drop in game 6 of that series btw?? Was it over 30??40?? nah bruh showed up and dropped 50.. game 7 Phoenix came out and buzz sawed us.. Odom was wrapped up like a mummie and Kobe and Odom both scored 30 apiece.. Oh but damn Kobe for realizing even with this 20+ first half they were still down and it would take a team effort..

    Whatchu wanna know bout that Boston series?? Team full of veterans going against a hot fresh in the ass team.. Whats there to ask??

    Pau and Odom didnt show up.. The D focused in on Kobe.. Celtics got to bump and grind all they wanted while we got touch fouls.. The young guns who played well for us vanished.. and the refs handed them game 4 with that bullshit blockin foul on Kobe in the final minute..

    What else you wanna know?? Boston was HISTORICALLY great on D that year..

    LMAO at all this..

    Look at it like this if you love Lebron.. You got the best regular season player in probably the history of basketball.. be happy..

    We’ll take our boy as the best postseason performer of his generation.. 2nd only to the GOAT..

    And this is part of the problem with you knocks.. you want Lebron to be something he isnt.. Thats prbably why he wilts away in the most important moments.. he cant handle the PRESSURE of people TELLIN him hes better than a certain player when he KNOWS he aint.. Thats a lot of pressure to overcome..

  • fallinup

    @ QQ

    I was actually wondering if jay el was Chris Crocker. :)

    “LEAVE LEBRON ALONE!!!” hahahahahaha

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    LeBron’s career trajectory will be more Kevin Garnett’s than MJ/Kobe…just with more MVPs.

  • Jay El

    @JAY

    If you switch Lebron w/ Wade or Kobe, I can’t guarantee the Cavs win a championship but i can guarantee that those 2 guys don’t turtle-up and hide in their shells. Mike Brown or not, Kobe will take 30-35 shots on that Cavs team and won’t give a shit about what anybody says afterwards.

    Maybe that’s where we’re missing each other. Kobe jacking 30-35 shots of which 20 are terrible is just not that impressive to me, and to me doesn’t mean that someone wants it more. I agree that the Kobe/LBJ comparisons don’t match as far as play style. Kobe follows the MJ model, whereas LBJ follows the Magic model.

    Kobe learned and came back hungrier. Explain that.

    I think that Lebron did learn and come back hungrier, he just had fewer bullets in the chamber than Kobe. It seems that everyone is dimishing the impact a great team had on the Lakers winning. If I remember correctly Kobe didn’t play that well in the Finals last year. Yes he won, he definitely gets credit for finding a way to win, but his teammates picked him up and played their part. All the hunger in the world ain’t getting it done unless you have a team around you. You can’t tell me that Kobe was hungrier than Mike before Pip and Grant stepped up. Mike was very hungry, but until he got the right supporting cast, no chips. Same with Kobe, once Shaq left, until the right team was put in place, no dice. And trust me the team the Cavs have despite what everyone says is not the right team

  • sh!tfaced

    @ QQ

    Nah, if Jay El were LeBron he would’ve given up by now. But then again, Jay El sounds awfully similar to LeBron James…

  • LakeShow84

    Anyhoo now that LBJ fans can go into a corner for another and think about what everyone else did wrong BESIDES Lebron COUGH9To’sCOUGH..

    I cant wait to watch us dismantle the Suns.. Anything besides a 4-5 game series is disappointing.. its revenge time baby.. And i know a killer whose thinking the same thing.. Grant Hill prepare for RonRon lol

    Boston/Orlando will be good too.. Perk can keep up with Howard so we will see what happens.. only way Orlando wins is on the perimeter.. Gonna need GULP a big series from VC.. Jameer playing lights out too tho.. How many weapons does Orlando have shit lol

  • JAY

    One other thing about the Kobe vs. Celts…..
    The Big 3 were in their primes in ’08 and Rondo was a notch below where he is now.

  • LakeShow84

    Lmao @ Kobe didnt play well in the Finals last year

    Man check the stats before you talk.. he avg 30ppg and 5+ass a night.. GTFOH

    Can we talk about something else??

  • Phileus

    LOL @ the people who claim that Kobe is much better than LeBron. Who was it that lost by 40 points in the deciding game of the NBA Finals a few years back?

    Oh, it wasn’t LeBron in his prime, that’s for sure.

  • tp

    i’ve been telling people it’s all about jameer. if he keeps up his play i dont see the celtics or us beating orlando

    and jay el just stopppppp. back to back #1 seed u cant complain any more about supporting casts!

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    @Phileus

    As I said earlier, it’s insulting to compare Kobe and LeBron. At least Kobe got whooped…in the Finals!

    Let it go. Just simply let it go.

  • LakeShow84

    @ Phileus

    Shit that was Kobe huh??

    Damnnn so who was it that got swept out the Finals without so much of a chance the year before??

    Lebrons Finals Record 0-4..

    That aint gonna get it done ya know.. Basketball is not Football or baseball.. You can have a game where an INDIVIDUAL takes complete control..

    0-4??

    Damn mustve been on cruise control..

    OK guys stop lol i can go all day

  • QQ

    @ lake:

    You know if it’s the start of the playoffs, and you would tell me it’s the Magic vs Celts, I’ll say a Magic sweep, easy. But damn, this is a VERY different Celts team now. If we won by the sheer number of weapons, they win by sheer heart and determination. Gonna be a good series, true that. Magic in 6.

    And of course, I’m picking your Lakers, but i think it will be a good one too. No one expected the Suns to beat the Spurs, but hey the SWEPT them. It’s gonna be how Nash is going to run with Kobe, while proving he’s a beast himself. Lakers in 6.

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    ^^^

    Celtics in 6…they match up perfectly with the Magic. And KG’s officially healthy.

  • FallODaLdr

    The notion that LeBron’s team is weak is ridiculous. Obviously, indiviual Cavs may not be as good as indviduals on other contending teams, but the Cavs had the best record in the League back to back years. 60+ wins in two years is nothing to laugh at. This Cavs/Celts series came down to lack of coaching and lack of heart.
    The playoffs are all about matchups and the Cavs starting lineup did not match up well against the Celts. Mo Williams vs. Rondo= Rondo
    Parker vs. Ray Allen= good matchup but still Allen
    LeBron vs. Pierce= LeBron (but LBJ started going 1 on 4)
    Jamison vs. KG = KG by far (huge problem on both ends)
    Oneal vs. Perk = Push

    When Mike Brown started switching Defensive matchups he allowed Allen to have a huge mismatch in games 2-5. In game 6 the oneal switch to KG allowed KG to operate freely in his comfort zone of face up jumpers and turn around jumpers. Plus Perkins put his huge body on Jamison tiring him out and easily outrebounding him.

    The playoffs are about matchups and game to game adjustments. Mike Brown failed in these aspects.
    The solution (easier said than done) was to start Varejeo instead of Jamison and start Big Z instead of Shaq. I know its seems like a huge panic move and Shaq would never go for it but it equalizes some front court matchups and allows for lebron to dominate the ball and be aggresive. The lineup itself is a proven lineup that the Cavs played with for 3/4 of the last two seasons.

    Williams vs. Rondo= Rondo
    Parker vs. Ray Allen= good matchup but still Allen
    LeBron vs. Pierce= LeBron
    Varejeo vs. KG = Push (the few times he was on KG he was excellent defensively and offensively)
    Z vs Perk = Push (Z’s outside game negates Perks post D and pulls him out of the lane giving LBJ a much wider lane to the hoop)

    These two adjustments would negate a lot of the Celts interior defense and put a strain on their front court scoring. Plus Z adds some shot blocking and OREBs that are underrated.

    Then when Rasheed wallace comes in the game you could sub in Shaq and Jamison and let shaq destroy Wallace. Jamison would stretch the court and give shaq more room for isos.

    Now I know it would be extremly difficult for Shaq to come off the bench (ego wise) so you might just have to pull him 2-3mins into the game and then play him heavy mins at the end of the 1st and begining of the 1st and 2nd. Jamison would/should have no problem with comming off the bench, he did that in his one season in Dallas and played very well.

    Anyway, did anyone think LBJ was still too passive in this elimination game? I mean its hard to discredit a monster triple double, but I would like to have seen LBJ with 45+ points instead of 10 assists. LBJ’s constant attacking really adds confidence to his teammates and is very dishearting to the opposition, especially when he’s going to the line 20+ times.

    BTW- I’m a huge Laker fan and couldn’t care less which team won yesterday.

  • JAY

    @Jay El
    “Maybe that’s where we’re missing each other. Kobe jacking 30-35 shots of which 20 are terrible is just not that impressive to me, and to me doesn’t mean that someone wants it more.”
    You’re right, it doesn’t show his hunger. It shows his willingness to carry the offensive load. Succeed or fail, Kobe would go downing swinging.
    Anthony Parker was running towards the rigth corner and Lebron, standing just left of the top of the 3-line, threw a skip pass over 3 Celtic players to Parker. Dumb.
    Lebron, grabbed an offensive rebound and jogged back, then through a backwards pass to Mo Williams when he could have easily put his head down and took it full court. Great killer instinct.
    I could go on.

    Your boy played like shit. There’s no debating that he deserved to lose. The Celts deserved to win. Doc Rivers outcoached Chef from South Park.
    Please end it now, Jay El.

  • control

    DGtheEnigma

    Your player for the 2000s, I would almost give that to Tim Duncan instead of Kobe.

  • LakeShow84

    @ TP

    The good part is the Lakers much more versatile defensively..

    Kobe can D up Jameer, RonRon can frustrate VC and Fish can try to muscle up on Barnes?? Hmmmmm i dont know lol

    You know Phil didnt show Stan ANYTHING as far as gameplan goes in the regular season..

  • Nyeme

    So Lebron doesn’t have a team now? They finished the season with the best record in the league, but he has no team. They were in command all season, as opposed to a team like Miami who really have no options. Jamison is NOT done, he was at 20 & 9 before coming to Cleveland so just that quick he fell off? His game just didn’t mesh with Lebrons at all, and I’m beginning to think that Lebron will be the next AI, in that his game will be hard to mesh with certain players. But don’t turn on his team now.

    As for listening to KG, he lost repeatedly because he couldn’t step up. Like I said, he and Webber are exactly the same, career-wise. They got Cassell and Spree, but Spree was old, and didn’t even really play well as a TWolf. Actually, KG’s teams teh previous 2 years were better all around.

  • JAY

    BTW… #209 and counting

  • LakeShow84

    I loved post #1 calling Mike Brown Smart Brother from undercover brother..

    That was classic..

  • Jay El

    LakeShow84 says

    Oh but damn Kobe for realizing even with this 20+ first half they were still down and it would take a team effort = Lebron’s effort

    Whatchu wanna know bout that Boston series?? Team full of veterans going against a hot fresh in the ass team.. Whats there to ask?? = Same Boston team

    Pau and Odom didnt show up.. The D focused in on Kobe = Jamison and Mo didn’t show up, the defense focused on Lebron

    The young guns who played well for us vanished = Hickson, Varejao, West was buried on the bench

    Why are these points excused for Kobe for Bron gets crucified for them? They look really similar to me. I’m not doubting Kobe’s spot, top 10 of all time definitely, killer in the postseason, and I know Bron isn’t there yet. But y’all make sound like Kobe dragged a crappy Lakers team to 4 championships when that’s not the case. Lebron, like MJ and Kobe needs that supporting cast before he wins a championship. I’m sure everyone can agree with that.

  • tp

    lakers/magic is a straight up chess match. both teams are very versatile and capable,a very underrated and fun series if it happens.

    lakers/celtics? man back to back matches of revenge (suns then celtcs) has me DROOLING.. i hope the celtics pull thru (sorry qq).

  • tp

    DAMNIT JAY EL, HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO SAY IT

    kobe was RIGHTFULLY crucified for the suns series, got TOASTED for the celtics series, got annihilated for failing to take a shot against the kings in the first half. he took his lumps, got over it, and now he’s the REAL king.

    tell ur boy to take some criticism and get better. the amount of criticism lbj is taking right now PALES to what kobe has taken

  • sh!tfaced

    215!!! With a shitload of long-ass posts.

  • control

    sh!tfaced

    Now you see why LeBron is the media’s darling…multiple 200 post entries with him as the main topic. The guy is too polarizing.

  • QQ

    It’s now clear the Jay El wont stop. He’s blind. He can’t read. And more importantly, he CAN’T accept that this night, WE won.

    So it’s no use.

    Besides, whatever happens, it’s the fact that stays: Lebron eliminated in the 2nd round.

    Cheers, cats. Fucking cheers.

  • JAY

    @#214
    Jay El is ignoring the posts that say Kobe took the loss as motivation and came back. It appears as though he doesn’t see Lebron’s 2009 elimination from the playoffs as the same thing. Getting bounced in any round should motivate anybody to push harder and further. It did for Kobe, not for Lebron. Someone should check Lebron’s schedule. Maybe he had a corporate meeting next week that he couldn’t miss.

    Jay El. Are you going to skip this post too?

  • LakeShow84

    LMAO Shitfaced.. longggggggggggg posts..

    @ TP & QQ

    I hate to say it QQ.. i want Orlando to win cuz that green is disgusting to me BUT i wouldnt mind getting some getback on them foos.. Show them who the real pitbuls iz..

    If that happened i would take a f#$kin PILGRAMAGE in flips flops to SoCal for that parade lol

  • tp

    as for lebron on the lakers, i’ll bite.

    you’re starting fisher, lebron, ron, pau, and bynum

    since lebron is such a team player, the offense is going to run thru pau right? whats lebron gonna do, hang around the perimeter and catch and shoot? make back cuts? no ma’am, thats not his game

    so u run the offense thru lebron. u set a pick and the defender is just going to go underneath it (see celtics) and dare him to beat u like that. u can’t do that against kobe. so whats next, he’s gonna drive to the basket right? except u got andrew and pau in the lane, theres really not a lot of room to operate so u pack the paint. spread the floor? man bynum’s guy would just camp the paint, and u can live with gasol shootin 20 footers. outside the last series, fisher and ron ron were bricking 3′s left and right, this lakers team with lebron isnt so invincible now is it??

    so whats left? have lebron in the post? good one. lebrons damn good at what he does, but just dont assume that sticking him on the lakers guarnatees ANYTHING. their games are vastly different.

  • JAY

    @ QQ
    “It’s now clear the Jay El wont stop. He’s blind. He can’t read. And more importantly, he CAN’T accept that this night, WE won.
    So it’s no use. ”

    I’m not even trying to convince him. At this point it’s fun.
    I think Jay El might even be Aron Philips’ other post name. Give it up Aron!! Lol.

  • Jay El

    FallODaLdr

    You made a lot of great points, and those are the main reasons the Cavs lost the series. And once again my point, those are things that Lebron can’t control.

    JAY
    Anthony Parker was running towards the rigth corner and Lebron, standing just left of the top of the 3-line, threw a skip pass over 3 Celtic players to Parker. Dumb

    And that’s how Boston was playing Lebron, 3 players boxing him in. What is he supposed to do…bullrush his way through 3 Celtics, chuck up a 3 with 3 guys near him or toss to a wide freaking open 3 point shooter? My point is Fisher makes that shot, Ray Allen makes that shot…

  • LakeShow84

    Back to Phoenix..

    Someone gotta give Gentry props for keeping up with Popovich.. Even though Popovich made some unusual moves.. TP off the bench?? Nah

    And props to the old Bay Boy JRich who always shows up for the playoffs but gets no shine for it..

    Can we start the WCF & ECF already shit.. this week layoff is so wack..

  • fallinup

    Man. Ya’ll are jumping the gun here. I think Boston/Orlando is gonna be a knock down, drag out fight. I look at Boston and all of that veteran savvy and heart… and I look at Orlando and see all of that athletic talent. Two damn good coaches that know their team well.

    And then I look at Vince Carter and go…. damn.. either he wilts like usual or redeems himself.. but he’s gotta be the key here. If Vince stays in attack mode and is averaging 20+ for the series. And Jameer at least slows down Rondo… Orlando has a real shot to win it. If Boston defense stifles Jameer and Vince.. and Dwight is in foul trouble… Orlando is in for a long series.

    I’m too stoked from last night to really cap this game… but bottom line… this is gonna be a good series.

    And damn… everybody done forgot about the Suns. hahaha

  • QQ

    @ JAY:

    I think it’s Burton. I see him as more of the Bron apologist than Aron.

  • control

    tp

    If LeBron was on the Lakers, you’d take Fisher and tell him to go fuck himself, run LeBron at the point, slip Odom as starting sf and run that way. You’d have 5 guys who are all actively running and cutting, minor outside threats but very major driving threats w/ two post threats, and two high post play makers. That team would run through people like dysentery.

  • K Dizzle

    @ Ian
    lost in translation; we sayin the same thing. I been sayin all season that the Lakers and Magic and even the healthy Celtics were deeper than the Celtics. Everybody fell in love with their record and was slurpin em, talkin about how they were the favorites, but who was anybody afraid of aside from Lebron? Jamison? Shaq? If you a Magic, Celts, or Laker fan, you thinkin the same thing. “If we healthy, Cleveland can’t do nuthin with us.” Boston start off 23-5 but went thru some stuff and finished the season 27-27. Even Celtics fans were writing them off. And if you a Celtics fan and you say you didn’t give up on em, you lyin. Celts sucked down the stretch, finally droppin down to the 4th spot. The Magic been solid all year, their issue was whether Vince would show up. As for my Lakers, we verified how good we were when Kobe took some games to rest and we went into Portland and finally got em, not to mention barely losing in Utah on a last second fling. Lakers are deep. Magic are deep. Celtics are deep. Not just depth, but experienced depth. You take Lebron off the Cavs and we’re talkin John Wall right now. Point blank. If any of these haters actually believe that the Cavs are the deepest team in the league, they just learned something: Orlando’s deeper, Boston, when healthy, is waaaaaay deeper and you know my Lakers are deeper.
    Haters are just ridiculous. Dude puts up 27, 19 and 10 and all they say is “All he did was put up 10 turnovers”
    That, people, is the definition of Haterism.
    I KNOW Kobe better than Lebron. I know the Lakers better than the Cavs. Why you guys think we wanted that Finals matchup? Cuz that’s how you prove shit. On the court.
    Damn shame but hopefully, the Celts can take out the Magic so we can have that rematch. I mean “if” we can get by those Suns.

    @ Gee – what up, man? Where you been? Watch your step thru this page nowadays. Haters roamin like vampires in the dark lol

    I’m out like a “useless triple double”

  • http://www.haywoodplanning.com D.H.

    bye bye Mike Brown …

  • K Dizzle

    sorry. deeper than the Cavs

  • Jay El

    I’m not ignoring the motivation points. Kobe failed just as much as Lebron has in their first 7 years. Kobe however had much more margin for error with Phil and Shaq, so if he did falter, they still won. That’s a fact. Lebron comes back this year and falters and the team loses because it’s all on him, there is no margin for error. The Celtics simply put the clamps on the Cavs the same way they did the Lakers and made Lebron look bad just like they made Kobe and the Lakers look bad. Its easy to say Kobe came back from his disappointment and won when he had the superior team. Once again all the motivation in the world isn’t going anywhere without a team.

  • JAY

    @Jay El
    ME: Anthony Parker was running towards the rigth corner and Lebron, standing just left of the top of the 3-line, threw a skip pass over 3 Celtic players to Parker.
    You: “And that’s how Boston was playing Lebron, 3 players boxing him in. What is he supposed to do…bullrush his way through 3 Celtics, chuck up a 3 with 3 guys near him or toss to a wide freaking open 3 point shooter?”

    1)What were you watching?? Parker wasn’t OPEN. His back was turned to Lebron with his defender was trailing him. Parker had to turn to catch the ball but missed it. i guess it’s hard to remember that turnover because he had so many.
    2)The Celts crowd the lane when LBJ got the ball. There was never 3 guys aroung him on the perimeter. again, what were you watching??
    3)And to answer your question about what was he supposed to do chuck up a 3?? The short answer is “yes, that’s he he should have done”. Long answer is, he hit back-to-back 3s to bring them within 4, then went back into his shell. Do you think anybody would have argued him taking a third 3? I don’t think so.

  • JAY

    Let’s go for 300!!!! SPARTAAAAAAA

  • JAY

    Welcome back fallinup… how was lunch?? Lol. TGIF

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    @control

    As tempting as it may be to included Tim Duncan as the player of decade for 2000s, players of the decade aren’t solely based on stats alone.

    Kobe, Tim and Shaq each have four rings, but it could be argued both Shaq and Tim peaked mid-to-late in the decade.

    Tim Duncan peaked in ’07. Kobe hasn’t peaked yet, which is why he’s my choice (and the general consensus other than perhaps Shaq — who peaked in ’06).

  • fallinup

    @ JAY

    I left the Chris Crocker comment sitting in the McDonald’s parking lot with my iPhone. :)

    I LOVE THIS GAME!!!

    I’m down for 300. hehe

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    Man, if I read one more comment about comparisons to Kobe and LeBron.

    Listen, if it wasn’t for the media and Madison Avenue, we would’ve NEVER compared this two to begin with. Stop feeding into it.

    They are two completely different players: One has rings, one doesn’t. One’s fundamental sound in every aspect of the game, one’s the most physically dominating athlete since Shaq. One plays two-guard, one plays small-forward.

    The only fucking thing Kobe and LeBron have in common is that they both wear Nikes.

    Stop it.

  • JAY

    LOL @ “STOP IT”

    Like a parent pissed off at their kids.

  • sh!tfaced

    control

    Polarizing is damn right. Just seems like nobody’s budging at all. Its almost the same shit going round and round. And pretty much revolving around LeBron.

    Kobe-LeBron, haters & jock riders, how deep their bench is, some about Boston, Suns and the Magic, a bit of history, etc, etc, then BOOM! Right back into the Kobe-LeBron comparison. LOL.

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    @JAY

    Lol…I’m just trying to hammer home the point that the reason soooo many LBJ haters exist is because some LBJ fans keep trying to put him in the company of greats when he simply hasn’t earned it yet.

    They may not know or care, but they’re only hurting the legacy of the guy they salivate over.

    So…stop it.

  • JAY

    I agree…. Stop it kids!!!!!

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    …now back to this Kobe vs. LeBron thing.

  • fallinup

    Oh great… now we’re commenting on how we’re commenting.

    STOP THE MADNESS!!!! Annnnd….

    no one count how many posts I’ve had today. my first was a #4.

    *weeping… “I need a life.” :(

  • fallinup

    well.. at least at post #12 I warned everyone. :)

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    @fallinup

    All is forgiven today on the number of posts someone has. I mean, it’s Friday…and it’s not like everyday one of the supposedly greatest players of all time is unceremoniously exited early in the playoffs…

  • control

    sh!tfaced

    Yeah, I’m not sure why there has to be a comparison between Kobe and LeBron. And why people have to be either one side or another…LeBron fucked up last night, case closed, end of discussion. His teammates sucked it up, his coach is the worst in the NBA (and the best thing about Cavs going out like this will be Mike Brown being fired and never coaching again) and he might leave Cleveland but who cares.

    Bottomline, we need to change the focus to some Rondo hating. Anyone notice how absolutely LOST he looks when he’s expected to create something from the top of the key? The defender is playing 5-12 feet off the guy, and if there isn’t any motion going on to get him free assists, he locks up. He’s so scared of his own shot that he trembles to bring it out. He actually had to call two time outs yesterday because he was sitting there for over 5 seconds confused.

  • fallinup

    @ DGtheEnigma

    28… er… 29 including this one. Not too mention all the times someone was responding back to me. My damn name should be in the tags, dime! At least contract me out! haha.

    Shutting up now. :)

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    @control

    Sorry, Rondo has absolutely no reason to be hated on for anything. When you almost single-handedly dismantle the number 1 seed, you’ve bought yourself some biding time on the Hate-Train Express.

  • QQ

    LOL @ DG.

    Yeah, post up cats. Again, cheers to all. LOL.

  • http://Dime Celt4life

    Where is The most hated Celtic hater of you ALL control!!!!!???!!!!
    Love to read your hate (even though most of it makes sense)on my team
    Any way Yeah i had my doubts till Game Four, yeas four they had that swagger kickin in. when Doc said when the Play Offs start they will be fine I had big doubts.

    LBJ did look like someone stole his puppy and was holding it for ransom.

    I re-played game five before game six and I gotta say it looks like he purposely did not go to the Ball.

    Now for the facts Mike B got out coached again. Cleveland will be better next year without LBJ and Shaq. Celts swag is in full affect and no lay off time will be good for the team.

    Rondo (even with no jump shot)is beasting at the right time.
    I’d like to see Daniels get it going but no love loss there.
    West should go to jail now so he can bunk with Mr. 357 agent Zero.
    Very surprised about Jamison how hard was it to learn their playbook (one page)
    Big Z should resign his loyalty is endless
    Congrats to a well prepared team who should win it all!

  • control

    DGtheEnigma

    Nah, almost all the other Celts stepped up in that game. Rondo wasn’t even defended the entire series. He’s a quick fucker, West tried to stay in front of him a few times and completely failed, but West was also walking around like he had a shotgun stowed in his shorts or something (he probably did).

    Rondo is always able to be hated on, kid is such a lil’ fucking douche. Did anyone else notice that whenever there was a timeout, Rondo would go to the bench alone, sit down alone, and the only person who would be near him was Rayray?

  • LakeShow84

    @ KDizz

    You know fellow Laker fan im starting to take issue with some your comments lol

    You keep on saying the Cavs arent deep and no one was feared outside of Lebron.. For really??

    Shaq got to be the only C who draws just by BACKING people down.. Dude cant hit freebies but dont act like he THAT washed up.. He still the biggest C in the league so he can get to where he needs to get..

    Mo Williams is a choke but otherwise a helluva of a gunner at the point.. 20 first half points aint nothing to balk at.. And like i said HE WAS THE ONLY KEEPING THEM CLOSE IN THE FIRST HALF.. He kept the chair warm for the MVP to stand up and sit in it in the 2nd half.. too bad BOS pulled the chair..

    Jamison got inside outside game.. damn near 20&10 right before the trade?? So no ones trippin on a 20/10 player huh?? Shit blame Brown for not using him correctly..

    And they got runners all over the roster.. Minus Z who still is good back C.. stretches the floor and is tall enough to play D PERIOD.. 4 blocks in game 5??

    Celtics played this series with 8 players.. Tony Allen, Sheed and Baby were their only real bench players..

    The LakeShow got Brown, Farmar and Odom coming off the bench oh and Powell or Mbenga.. Ill take Z, West, Powe, Hickson, Varejao off the bench ass opposed to ODOM off the bench anyday..

    Orlando is DEEP.. and thats legit..

    Look at how CLE matched up against us this year.. Shaq murked Bynum & Gasol while LBJ ran over Artest.. Can DFish really guard Mo?? nah he murked us too.. Kobe roams so Parker was allowed to hit his 3′s.. Cavs just ran into a bad matchup..

    But that dont take away from the fact the they WERE loaded..

    And 9 TO’s (at least 5 of which momentum killers) negate that triple double.. Helluva stat line but your leader cant be out there throwing BASELINE2BASELINE skip passed through traffic.. That shit was ridiculous..

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    @control

    Understandable. Although I always try to stay away from player’s character/personality flaws. In that case, I believe 85% of ALL pro athletes are douches. And can you blame them? All they ever heard all their lives is how great they are.

    About Rondo, ummmm…the guy just put up one of the three greatest playoff performances of all time in this series in Game 4 (that’s a fact, not opinion), so you couldn’t possibly say he didn’t play well in the series. Heck, EVERY Celtic has pretty much stated that Rondo is now the leader of that team.

    Don’t let personal vendettas cloud the facts.

  • jimmyjack

    The LeBron haters won’t be happy until he plays a game where he drives every single time and tries to dunk on everyone, yells on every play like KG, and finds a way to guard all five players on the other team by himself.

    Oh wait … then the haters will say, “Jesus, LeBron is such a ballhog. And why’s he yelling like that? He’s such an arrogant loud prick.” LBJ can’t fucking win with some people.

    Seven years into his career full of bad coaches, average-at-best supporting casts, and somehow he’s a choker and “mentally weak” for not winning a title. When Kobe had a subpar supporting cast (and a Hall of Fame coach), he couldn’t even get out of the first round of the playoffs, but nobody gave him grief for that. They all blamed Smush Parker rather than blame the Golden Boy Rapist. LeBron has one 3rd Choice Alternate All-Star, Shaq’s rotting corpse, and Jamison pooping himself in Game 6 and of course it’s all LeBron’s fault when he doesn’t win a series by himself.

    The haters are unbelievable.

  • jimmyjack

    Nine turnovers? Yeah, consider that LBJ has the ball in his hands 80% of the time and — facing elimination — he was likely pushing and trying to do too much. But of course if he wasn’t pushing, everybody would say he didn’t show enough heart. Wade, Kobe, Nash and Durant have games with a lot of turnovers too, but if they score 30 or have a 25-5-5 line, nobody brings up the turnovers. LeBron goes 27-19-10 and all anyone talks about are turnovers.

  • http://Dime Celt4life

    Control…therevyou are! good post thanks I took to long to post (I was at 120 when I submited it i went to 249 wow!)I agree with the coaching but how about those CELTS!

  • JAY

    @control
    “we need to change the focus to some Rondo hating. Anyone notice how absolutely LOST he looks when he’s expected to create something from the top of the key? The defender is playing 5-12 feet off the guy, and if there isn’t any motion going on to get him free assists, he locks up.”

    I disagree. To me he looks very comfortable. Nothing is forces and the vast majority of the time he makes the right decision. He could do a lot worse and jack up shots just because he’s open.

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    @jimmyjack

    You’re clearly missing the point. LBJ haters haven’t labeled him a “choker” or “mentally weak”, they just believe he really hasn’t done anything yet.

    When you come into the league wearing #23, the most-hype ever, and for the past five years all we’ve heard is how the league is LeBron’s playground, at some point, he HAS TO DELIVER WHAT MATTERS MOST (or should matter most at least)…A CHAMPIONSHIP!

    That’s not a “hater” (which has turned into the most overused cliche on the internet), that’s someone who not buying into the hype machine of ESPN, Nike and Madison Avenue.

    …and fucking stop it with the Kobe comparisons!

  • control

    Lakeshow84

    Man, the Cavs outside of LeBron SUCKED. Regardless of anything you want to say, just look at the numbers and you can see they failed epically. Mike Brown is the WORST coach in the NBA without question, he completely misused his entire roster, but they really aren’t that great. YOU might take Powe and Hickson off the bench, but Mike Brown apparently didn’t feel he had to take them off the bench…they weren’t even given a chance to fuck up.

    DGtheEnigma

    I don’t blame them at all, I just find it ironic some of the people who hate on LeBron’s attitude will walk around saying Rondo is the best PG in the league…

    I didn’t say Rondo didn’t play a great series, I said the Cavs didn’t bother to guard him. Watch the games, there is almost never someone withing 5ft of him at anytime, except when he hits the paint. The pussies who were manning the paint for the Cavs didn’t even have the decency to knock Rondo on his ass when he’d zoom in there for some jacked up layups. The guy is one of the worst free throw shooters in the league, make him go to the fucking line…Rondo went off because the Cavs played him about as bad as you could play an individual.

  • fallinup

    correction @ jay el

    “he’s a choker and “mentally weak” for not winning a CONFERENCE SEMI FINALS MATCH UP.”

    let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves just yet.

    07 was a given… he was young and wasn’t supposed to win that against the Spurs… but I bet you’ll credit him for getting there right???… for carrying that team to the finals…. sheesh.

    fuggetaboutit.

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    @control

    You had me convinced…until you brought up Rondo’s free-throw shooting, which has vastly improved to a respectable 75% in the playoffs (thanks to Mark Price — a former Cavalier and one of the greatest shooters in NBA history).

    That type of statement makes one believe that you’re watching Sportscenter highlights instead of the actual games.

  • sh!tfaced

    control

    I wouldn’t worry, man. You’ll be getting your shots at Rondo before the weekend is done. This LeBron hatefest will eventually soon die down – at least we hope so.

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    “James said earlier this season that he no longer wants to wear No. 23, the integer made famous by his idol, Michael Jordan. Well, now you know why. As measured by the most easily quantified barometers of athletic talent — size and strength — James would seem superior to Jordan. The corporate sponsors seized on these qualities immediately. A folklore and a narrative was created with billboards and TV spots and as-told-to biographies and documentary movies. But now, seven years into James’ pro career — a season that saw Michael Jordan win the first of his six championships — he has been eliminated in the conference semifinals…” – Mark Kriegel, FOX Sports

  • control

    DGtheEnigma

    I think he’s only 70% from the line right now…and it’s absolutely disgusting that 70% is “vastly improved” for a point guard. Still, I would put Rondo on the line all day at 70% than let him just walk in like he’s taking his dog out for a jog in the morning and score an uncontested layup. That is just basic playoff (and even regular season) basketball…

    That is ONE of the things the Celts have down, they don’t give fuckers FREE layups, the make them hit FREE throws…that’s all I’m saying.

    Celts4life

    Good looking out ;) Grats on your boys taking out the golden child.

  • sh!tfaced

    Ah shit, guess I spoke too soon… LOL

    This shit might actually hit 300. Anybody know the record no. of posts? Is there one?

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    @sh!tfaced

    The LeBron-hate fest won’t die until he wins the ring.

    LeBron James = NBA’s Peyton Manning

  • JAY

    @jimmyjack
    You’re right. Lebron had the best game of his life. You could easily tell he wanted to put the team on his shoulders. Did you see the determined, focused look in his eye. Nothing could have shook him of his game. The way he communicated to his teammates like a true leader. All these guys are wrong. They saw fear and nonchalance. We see the eye of the tiger and never-give-up attitude. 27-19-10 was just as good as Rondo’s line in game 4 and people are killing LBJ. WTF? He played just as hard as Rondo did.

    *legal disclaimer: the preceding message is sarcasm-laced bullshit.

  • sh!tfaced

    @ DG

    Yeah, LeBron hating just got a multi-year contract, from the looks of it.

    Funny thing, think the Rondo-hate fest started when he won a ring…

  • JAY

    @sh!tfaced
    This is already the most I’ve ever seen here on a Dime forum.
    TGI-muthafukkin-F

  • fallinup

    You know who REALLY grinds my gears? Lebron James’s mother. Man… don’t even get me started!

  • control

    sh!tfaced

    Rondo actually started getting hate the year AFTER he won a ring and started talking like he was the best pg in the world because he just happened to be on that team to win the championship. You could have replaced him with any one of 20 other pgs that year and the Celts would still have their ring. Rondo didn’t do shit the first few years he was in the league, I don’t even think he started for some of it.

    His attitude to EVERYONE, even his own teammates, was absolute shit, so that is why the hatetrain fired up. He’s still a douche, just listen to his interviews. Can get better interviews out of “The Situation”…

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    To All LeBron supporters and fans:

    Let’s call a truce. We’ll stop the LeBron-bashing and in return, ya’ll have to promise to NEVER EVER compare LeBron to MJ/Kobe until he wins a ring. Deal?

    Loyal and Frequent Dime Visitor,

  • sh!tfaced

    LOL @ fallinup

    Wasn’t Mother’s Day just a week ago?

    @ JAY

    It’s the most I’ve seen too. Hope some mama’s boy bites on fallinup’s bait…

  • JAY

    @control
    “He’s still a douche, just listen to his interviews. ”
    His interviews are better that Turkey-lou
    “Ball”
    wtf?

  • control

    I think we hit a few 300+ posts during the elections in 07-08. Rangerjohn was being a bitch and needed some verbal smackdown…

  • Jay El

    Mike Brown could’ve done a lot with that roster, but did nothing, that was significant part of what happened. Why does everyone keep going on and on about how good Mo and Antawn are. What good is scoring 20 points if you’re giving up 20-25 on the other end and you can’t keep your man in front of you. This isn’t fantasy basketball. Jamison is not a good on the ball defender, off the ball defender, help defender, he doesn’t play the passing lanes or block shots. Mo jacks shots (and missed alot)but got slaughtered on the other end by Rose in the 1st round and got historically slaughtered by Rondo.

  • fallinup

    @ control… Those were classic. I seriously had to take a break from Dime for a little bit. :)

  • fallinup

    @ jay el

    You’re still on that log… and all the frogs done jumped off brother.

  • Jay El

    DGtheEnigma
    To All LeBron supporters and fans:

    Let’s call a truce. We’ll stop the LeBron-bashing and in return, ya’ll have to promise to NEVER EVER compare LeBron to MJ/Kobe until he wins a ring. Deal?

    I agree to that because I never compared LBJ to MJ/Kobe, I was trying to make the comparison to their situations. Both MJ and Kobe are better than LBJ I can cosign that all day.

  • JAY

    I’m just waiting for Jay El to bring up a Kobe/Lebron reference so DG could totally lose it.

  • control

    JAY

    Ain’t going to see any Hedo loving in this corner…and I’m a hardcore Toronto fan. The guy disappointed the franchise in every single way that he could have imagined. He was so successful at being disappointing, it was almost like he went to Toronto TO disappoint as much as possible.

  • http://www.pinpointbranding.net PJ310

    How are all of you blaming LeBron’s teammates for this loss, doesn’t LeBron make his teammates and everyone around him soooo much better??? At least that’s what the media has been saying the past 7 seasons.

    GTFOH with that BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Hoops wannabe

    I guess what Lebron had been practicing last offseason was shaking hands with the team that beats him in the playoffs. No wonder he and Danny Green had all those handshakes and man crush hand signals. Maybe this offseason he’ll work on his jumper and free throw shooting instead. Didn’t we hear the same thing about taking the experience to better himself after reaching the Finals with an even sorrier team?

    So the 2006-07 team that had Damon Jones is better than the 2009-10 team Playoff team? Get out of here.

  • LakeShow84

    Your leader is to lead his team and push his own teammates through their deficiencies..

    Thats why you see a certain Laker BARKING at Gasol when he misses a simple assignment on D.. and Gasol could be in the midst of a 20&10 game.. this is something people look at and say “what an asshole” but its something the player notes in his head and says to himself “shit i better not slip up again”.. hence you get the better SUSTAINED effort.. aint no laughin in a blowout cuz your already focused on the next game..

    Your leader takes the roster given to him and goes into the trenches and leads them out of it..

    Ill go back to DWade.. Shaq disappeared in those Finals.. The same Shaq who damn near GOT THEM there just disappeared.. instead of makin retarded plays Dwade took what he had and delivered..

    Thats leadership.. aint no hating.. Kobe didnt say “Give me the best roster in the NBA damnit!” Nah Kobe said “give me some weapon and ill deliver” and he did and thats leadership..

    Who should Lebron really have on his roster??

    Deron Williams
    Ray Allen
    Lebron
    Amare Stoudemire
    Bogut??

    Is that a good enough roster for the Prince?? Come on now.. as i said that team was STACKED depth wise and the starting 5 wasnt too shabby itself.. It all comes back to your leader on the court.. Its disheartening to see your leader take your posessions and cast them off in that manner when alls on the table..

    And if our roster is so stacked why everyone always picking teams to knock us off?? You all know damn well if we went up against Denver/ Dallas you guys would take them to win..

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    ^^^
    Easy there tiger. Don’t get the LeBron supporters fired up again…we just came to a truce!

  • JAY

    @control
    First move the Raps need to do is get rid of the evil euro devil whispering in Colangelo’s ear. Mr. Gherardini has made it his team with the Euro influence.

  • http://www.pinpointbranding.net PJ310

    Message to LeBron:
    - Stop referring to yourself as “The King”, “King James” or any other corny ass nicknames until you actually win something.

    - Get that dumbass “Chosen 1″, tattoo lasered off your back

    - Stop referring to yourself in 3rd person

    - Stop being so arrogant and admit your mistakes

    - Work on your game and stop using your athleticism to get by

    - Call Steve Nash and and team up to give Kobe back his 4 MVP trophies you both stole from him

  • Ian

    dgtheenigma
    are u ok man?? duncan is the player of the decade easy. the general consesus u r talkin about must be amongst your friends.

    lets check
    td 4 titles as the man
    shaq 3
    kobe 1

    now awards
    again duncan slight edge

    teams wins
    duncan

    missed playoffs
    kobe

    and heres the only reason u need
    shaq
    tim
    kobe
    are the top three players but td had to go up against kobe and shaq together and still got 2 titles outta that match up. i would take the kobe argument if he had won without shaq and shaq without kobe.

  • JAY

    approaching 300 boys!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.pinpointbranding.net PJ310

    - Stop showing up opponents by dancing when u win, if i was Rondo, i woulda moonwalked right by u when u tried to shake my hand after last nights win

  • JAY

    I mean….

    “approaching 300, boys!!!”

    Without the “comma”, that statement is disturbing.

  • fallinup

    @ JAY

    What are we now? Catholic Priests? :)

  • control

    Lakeshow84

    People are picking teams to knock you off because people hate on the Lakers because of their successes. Simple as that.

    You just went from saying Cleveland had one of the deepest teams in the league to “Your leader takes the roster given to him and goes into the trenches and leads them out of it..”. Sounds like you are coming over to the right side of the argument eh? :)

    LeBron’s problem in the series against the Celts was that he tried to be too GOOD of a teammate, guy should have just been a bitch and did shit himself. His team wasn’t producing AT ALL, he SHOULD have realized that and compensated.

    BTW, I think Kobe said more than “give me some weapon and I’ll deliver” I think he was on camera as completely tearing and disrespecting Bynum, public trade demands, etc :P

  • http://facebook.com/Mr.Brogden Mr. Brogden

    You got WITNESSES. And you got DISSENTERS.

    To All Fans of YOUNG GREATNESS aka Bron aka “insert un-derserved regal nickname here” —}}

    This is the day of the DISSENTERS.

    Let them have thier day.
    It’s only right.

  • sh!tfaced

    control

    “Can get better interviews out of “The Situation”"
    Haha! I know Rondo is one cocky douche during interviews although I never really thought about it that way.

    Ohhh. The damn elections. Hoops took a back seat. Didn’t have the nerve to post then. LOL. Kobe-LeBron nearing McCain-Obama territory…

  • control

    PJ310

    Nobody stole FOUR MVPS from Kobe…come on man, that is just reckless.

  • http://www.paxtonavenue.com DGtheEnigma

    @Ian

    Doing just fine. Thanks for asking…what is this “title as the man”? You win a ring, you win a ring. Period.

    Awards:
    TD = 2 MVPs, 3 Finals MVPs, 4 Final appearances (last one = 2007)
    Shaq = 1 MVP, 3 Finals MVPs, 3 All-Star Game MVPs, 6 Final appearances (last one = 2006)
    Kobe = 1 MVP, 1 Finals MVPs, 3 All-Star Game MVPs, 6 Final appearances (last one = 2009)

    Kobe’s the only of these three to sustain it for the ENTIRE decade, not just periods of time DURING a decade.

    As for your TD going against Shaq and Kobe, doesn’t mean a damn thing…one year he had David Robinson, the other Parker & Ginobili. I missed your point there.

  • http://www.pinpointbranding.net PJ310

    control, lebron stole 2 and nash stole 2, that equals 4, how is that reckkless??

  • JAY

    Thank you Mr. Brogden.
    The King has been impeeched!!!! Off with his head!

  • fallinup

    Did you happen to catch the professional basketball contest on television last night?

    The Celtics of Boston took on the Cavaliers of Cleveland. And in the end, the Celtics triumphed by shooting a round ball made of leather through an iron hoop. It was a most ripping victory.

  • fallinup

    Oh and SPARTAAAAAAAA!!!! ^^

  • JAY

    LMAO @ fallinup.
    I was enthralled throughout my viewing of the competition. Absolutely smashing. Cheerio

  • Alee-Mo

    Just read this from Bill Simmons’ ESPN column:

    “You cannot call what happened in the Cavs-Celtics series an upset. Boston played better in five of the six games. That had four of the five best players. They were better defensively. Their best player (Rajon Rondo) played better than Cleveland’s best player (LeBron James). They had playoff-proven guys who kept coming through. They had better crowds. They showed more heart. This was not an upset … but still, it felt like one. And only because we were duped by Cleveland’s faux urgency (for most of the season, it felt genuine) and Boston’s retro-urgency (for most of the season, it was dormant). The playoffs hinge on toughness, chemistry, defense, leadership and urgency. Cleveland lost all of those battles. Every one of them.”

    Does that sound like a series where one player (LeBron) “choked” and lost it for his team? No. Sounds like a better team (Boston) beat a one-man show (Cleveland).

  • Joe Cooley High

    @fallinup — Hey kid, I’m only gonna tell you this one time. If you wanna keep posting on Dime, stay off the drugs.

  • control

    PJ310

    They didn’t steal shit, and def didn’t steal it from Kobe. I don’t know how you can “steal” an MVP award, each of those players just played better for their teams on those specific years. Don’t know why you don’t just say they should just rename the MVP award to “Kobe’s award” until he retires or something…

  • LakeShow84

    LMAO @ Fallinup

    Ima tell you something son.. if you want to keep your job. lay off the drugs..

    Coming To America LMAO

  • JAY

    @Alee-Mo
    “Does that sound like a series where one player (LeBron) “choked” and lost it for his team? No.”
    No, It doesn’t SOUND like it…. but did you watch the game?? Did it LOOK like James didn’t show up and play his hardest? Not to me.

  • control

    Everyone

    It’s been a pleasure gentlemen, congrats to Dime on 300+ posts. I am going to skip out of the office early, so fuck this hate game.

  • Hoops wannabe

    Lebron will be in Miami or Chicago next year. Changes number from 23 to 6. Both Miami and Chicago have both retired 23. Makes sense now.

  • fallinup

    C’mon now Alee-Mo… Bill’s my boy. And ya gotta quote the second part before taking him over here to shut us up.

    “Because the other part feels like we learned something substantial about LeBron James this spring. I always thought his ceiling looked like this: Jordan’s DNA crossed with Magic’s DNA crossed with Bo Jackson. Nope. Take the Jordan DNA out. Have to. Jordan was a ruthless mother******. Jordan was a killer. Jordan didn’t care if his teammates despised him. Jordan never, ever, not in a million years, would have allowed his team to quit in the final two minutes of last night’s game like LeBron did. His teammates feared him, loathed him, revered him and played accordingly. Bird had that same quality. In the second half of his career, so did Magic. Winning meant so much to those guys that their teammates almost didn’t have a choice; they had to follow suit. Or else.

    LeBron James is 25 years old. He’s played seven seasons — 548 regular-season games and 71 playoff games. There’s a feeling that he can still get better, and with better teammates, maybe he could. But fundamentally, to paraphrase Bill Parcells, he is what he is at this point — a gregarious, larger-than-life, supremely gifted basketball player who’s better at making us say “WOW!” than anything else. If he owned that cutthroat Jordan chromosome, or Magic’s leadership chromosome, it would have surfaced by now.In Wednesday’s column before Game 6, I mentioned how there comes a point in every great player’s career when you have to pour the cement, let it harden and see what you have. We poured the cement for LeBron in this series. It hardened last night. We know what we have.

    And last night, LeBron’s DNA finally made sense to me. Throw Jordan out. Throw Magic out, too, except for the “controls sections of a game with passing/rebounding” part. Keep Bo (Jackson). Now, add this guy … Julius Erving.”

    I’m done with this Lebron talk. Because the CAVS are done. My point is made… my GOAT is still GOAT. Good day gentlemen. :)

  • Ian

    dg
    really u posted the mvps there and still pick kobe ? werent you supposed to back your point? sorry man but 2 mvps and 3 finals mvps kills what u posted about kobe. 3 allstar mvps?? who cares??

    the point i was tryin to make is that duncan had to play the top 2 according to you with no super side kick. the 03 david robinson?? comon and 8 and 8 player? the 03 manu and parker ?? compare that to kobes partner who was shaq or shaqs partner who was kobe then wade. dont try to make it like td played with the admiral from the 90s.

    duncan is more accomplished this decade and has more wings. the 6 finals mean nothing if u dont win it.
    dont read this and think im bashing your opinion on kobe cuz thats our pick and i cant change that but to say that duncan isnt in the discussion like u told control is ignorant.

    alee-mo
    shit thats the same thing i say when people bring up the spurs rockets fron 95.

  • Alee-Mo

    @JAY — It LOOKED like LeBron had 27-19-10 and did just about all he could. Was he supposed to guard KG too? Was he supposed to prevent Mo Williams from losing his stroke in the 2nd half? Was he supposed to bring Jamison back from the dead? Was he supposed to pull Hickson and Powe onto the court himself? He’s a phenomenal player, but he’s only one man. At least he didn’t stop shooting and mentally punk out like Kobe is good for doing when things are going bad.

  • Jay El

    I had fun fellas, see ya around…but peep that Bill Simmons article, it pretty much summed up our whole discussion.

  • LakeShow84

    @ Control

    Ill tell you what.. Go ask DWade, CP3, Deron Williams, etc, etc if Lebron has a good supporting cast..

    Let me know what their answer is and what profanities they call you lol

  • http://facebook.com/Mr.Brogden Mr. Brogden

    LMAO 2!! FALLINUP and JAY…

    I was quite flabbergasted by the display of nonchalance exhibited by the Cavaliers of Cleveland.

    Kevin Garnett thoroughly impressed me with his uncanny knack of hitting the jumper over an all star corpse once known as Antawn. In addition, a young man named Rondo executed the screen pick to perfection while Kevin either rolled to the cylinder for a high percentage goal or elevated for a quick release jump shot over a hall of fame corpse once know as Shaquille.

    A ruffian named Kendrick possessed a look of permanent disdain that I swore has been there since his rookie campaign. And after observing some of his offensive moves, I completely understand why he’s mad…

  • K Dizzle

    @ Lakeshow

    brotha, you are killin me.
    I agree that Cleveland’s roster looks deep….if this was 2004 lol.
    After Lebron, are you really afraid of Shaq? We got Bynum AND Gasol. Shaq can only guard one.Kendrick Perkins held him to 13-14ppg. U think Bynum can’t do that? How about a Bynum/Pau doubleteam? Artest is guarding Lebron, and after what he did to Durant, I feel better about that matchup.
    I understand Mo had a 20 point half, but that was his only good half in the playoffs. C’mon, man.U makin good points, but they based on the one good half Mo had, the one good game Shaq had and the 0 good games Jamison had.If they had done those things all series and they still lost, then we could break it down.. Dudes rip on Fish’s defense, but Rondo dismantled dude so bad…so bad, they actually had to burn a timeout and dust off Boobie Gibson ?!!?!?!? to try to slow him down. That’s a guy you depend on?
    Jamison was the 2nd option and he averaged 11. ELEVEN!!!
    C’mon, man. What the Cavs were supposed to be and what they actually were were 2 different things.
    You know why I take Lamar over the Cavs bench? Cuz on their BEST DAY, Lamar is an nba all-star level player. On their best day, NOBODY on the Cavs bench can touch him.
    Who on the Cavs bench did anything this series? I don’t remember a single Delonte hilite.
    The comparisons to Mike are off for Lebron cuz he ain’t that type of player. He’s more of a Magic without the killer instinct. He shoulda had 20 assists if Jamison wasn’t missin blatently open shot. 20 and 10 Jamison died last season. He hasn’t has a 20-10 since he came to Cleveland.

    One more thing re: Cleveland murkin us this year. Orlando took both games by an average of 20 points last season against us, but then what happened in the Finals?
    Have a lil faith, bro. We really are that good lol

    @ Ian
    c’mon. man. Tim didn’t do it on his own. Tim had Tony and Manu and DRob before them. Kobe has been the most consistent with the talent level around him. Tim’s never been on a bad team

  • Hoops wannabe

    @Alee-Mo – Why couldn’t Lebron guard KG? Wasn’t he first team all defensive? Highlight blocks don’t win games. Magic Johnson played 5 different positions as a rookie in a critical game to win a ring and MVP of the Finals while the MVP of the team was sitting on the bench in crutches. Why couldn’t Lebron conjure up the inner Magic? Was he suppose to prevent Mo from hittin No-Mo shots. No, but superstars are suppose to motivate the other slackers into putting more effort on the defensive side of the court not slack along with them. You mean to tell me Jud Buechler and steve kerr were defensive specialists for the Bulls? The only thing Lebron was able to accomplish for the team was building their ego into thinking they were bigger than the game. When guys like Jamison is interviewed talking like being on a Lebron james team will automatically get you a ring you better put up or shut up.

    The team won 60+ games in the regular season. They weren’t the 7-8th seed. The #1 seed doesn’t just lay down and die to a 4 seed. Atleast take the games to overtime. Put blood in the other teams face ala the Spurs. It was win or go home and Lebron preferred to go home.

  • K Dizzle

    @ “The #1 seed doesn’t just lay down and die to a 4 seed”

    Maybe you’ve heard of Dirk and the Mavs vs Golden State

    or more recently the #3 Atlanta Hawks gettin mutilated by the #2 Orlando Magic by an avg of 20+/game.

    or the #7 Spurs destroying the #2 Mavs

    Seeding mean nothing if circumstances change. If Boston stays healthy after their 23-5 start, Cleveland’s the #2 seed.

  • jimmyjack

    @Hoops wannabe — Your name is fitting because you’re a wannabe expert who doesn’t know jack-shit about basketball. Why couldn’t LeBron guard KG? Because he had to guard Paul Pierce, Boston’s best scorer. He didn’t guard Pierce in Game 5 because Mike Brown wanted him to guard Rondo, and Pierce went off. So he’s supposed to guard three people at once now? Not even Magic could do that?

    And how is LeBron supposed to “motivate” Mo into making shots? It’s not like Mo wasn’t trying; his shots were all falling short. Like Dime said in Smack, he had no legs. But I guess LeBron is supposed to fix that too, right?

    It’s funny how all these haters criticize LeBron for not being well-rounded, but then they expect him to do everything, including coach his own team and guard three people. So obviously you think he’s capable of doing it all, yet still pretend like he’s not the best player in the world.

  • the cynic

    Odom would be the second best player on the Cavs without question. On the lakers he is the 3rd, but could be as low as 5th depending who you ask

  • Hoops wannabe

    @ K Dizzle… so you’re saying that King James is only as good as King Dirk? I’m not saying seeding plays a role in losing but you work for the top seed to get an easier road to the Finals. “Home court Advantage” You could see that the Cavs weren’t cut to win the chip coz they struggled mightily against the Bulls. And how can you throw Atlanta’s garabage out there. They needed 7 games to beat the Bucks. They deserved to get their heads handed to them by orlando.

    @ jimmyjack… reason why Mo kept jacking shots is coz his ego wouldn’t let him do anything else but try to score. Remember his guarantee last year? Guys who haven’t proven that they can win should win before talking like they’ve done something. You can’t coach a guy like Lebron. The only coaching style that would make him happy is the 1-on-5 type where he dictates how he wants to play. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t dislike Lebron’s game. But dude needs to lay off the ego trip.

    Player ratings:

    1. Kobe
    2. Durant
    3. Wade
    4. Lebron
    5. Dwight

    I’m not a Kobe fan. Must be the curse of the regular season MVP. Who was the last player to win MVP who also won a Ring? The GOAT Tim Duncan.

  • paul

    KG looked pretty good last night, good to have him back

  • stupidfans

    odom isn’t a starter retards

  • D.I. Dollar

    Lebron needs to seriously consider signing with the Clippers this summer. He needs to come out West and get into some real battles. Plus can you imagine him moving into Kobes house and battling him for the King of L.A.? But we all know that he’ll take the easy way out and stay in the East and win regular season MVP after MVP without the chance to smell a championship anytime soon.

  • LakeShow84

    @ KDizz

    i feel that but consider Pau biggest weakness is the physical play.. Matched up against Shaq?? Yeah that scares me.. He cant keep Shaq off his spot.. Now Pau vs Varejao favors us but i still think there would be a game where Varejao would frustrate him..

    And Bynum couldve changed my mind in last games matchup but he hit one hook over Shaq and disappeared as if Shaq said “young man ima get you killed out here, i still got pull”..

    Im sayin they counter our height quite well..

    And you and both know what its like depending on Odom to show up :)

    Love the man but first thing id do if i saw him was shake my head lol and on Odoms best day dude is AT LEAST top 20 in the NBA.. what cant he do?? but 99days/100days hes playing like his wife..

  • That’s What’s Up

    “A LEBRON JAMES TEAM NEVER PANICS !!!!!” – Lebron James

  • QQ

    Ok now… is this a fucking record?

    325+ POSTS????

  • az

    WOW…..QQ…..WOW…….

  • az

    WOW…..QQ…..WOW…….

  • EN FUEGO

    three fucking hundred and thirty…

  • EN FUEGO

    mike ‘cleveland’ brown just got fired?!

  • TIP

    WE ARE ALL WITNESSES!

    I wonder if they’ll take that banner off of the arena now.