Smack / Jul 10, 2010 / 6:17 am

The East is a Beast

Amar'e Stoudemire (photo. King Lawrence)

No matter which side you claim in the ongoing LeBron-to-Miami argument, one thing you cannot dispute: The Eastern Conference is going to be a PROBLEM for the West next season. LeBron, Wade and Bosh are (at worst) a phenomenally talented group that should maraud through the regular season; Carlos Boozer gives Chicago the low-post scorer they’ve needed to go with Derrick Rose, who is a full-on superstar at this point; Amar’e Stoudemire makes the Knicks dangerous at least; Atlanta kept status quo by re-signing Joe Johnson; Boston brought back Paul Pierce and Ray Allen to keep its core intact; Milwaukee added wing scorers and frontcourt muscle to go with Andrew Bogut and Brandon Jennings; Charlotte is bringing back most of its playoff squad; and of course Orlando still has Dwight Howard and its title-contending core. Whether it’s Kobe or Carmelo or D-Will who leads his team out of the West, they should hope their opponent in the Finals is bruised from a tough playoff run, because they’ll certainly be battle-tested … Everybody had their say about LeBron yesterday, and some views were plain ridiculous. Majority opinion in the Dime office is simple: LeBron had six options laid out in front of him, and he picked the team that to him looked most ready to win a championship as soon as possible. But a lot of people don’t see it that way. You’ve seen know how hard Cavs owner Dan Gilbert is screwing his own franchise by making sure no other NBA player will ever want to play for him, but did you hear Orlando GM Otis Smith? “I thought (LeBron) was, I guess, more of a competitor,” Smith said. “The great ones do and usually stay in one location. This is a new era. It’s a little different than my time.” Yeah, this is the same Otis Smith who was a certified role player during his brief playing career and happily took his turn eating off Chris Mullin, Alex English and Nick Anderson. The fact that Smith praised Kobe for winning rings “on his own” shows how little even some experts really know … (And remind us again why LeBron is getting criticized for going to a team where he’ll possibly be the No. 2 option, but nobody is getting on Bosh for happily accepting a clear-cut No. 3 role after failing to make a playoff dent in Toronto?) … How crazy was the LeBron/Wade/Bosh intro to Miami last night? Packed gym, thousands of people outside the arena, and it started with the big three dropped from the sky on a forklift … With the news that LeBron and Bosh will head to Miami via a pair of convoluted sign-and-trades — ‘Bron and Bosh have signed for six years, $110 million apiece while D-Wade is getting $107 million over six — the rest of the League was able to move on. The Knicks are close to a deal with Ray Felton, the best PG available barring a Chris Paul or Tony Parker trade. He’s not Steve Nash, but Ray’s been one of the more underrated PG’s in the League for a minute. No more playing under the radar now, though. Felton is gonna be reminded he’s not Nash with every turnover and every NY loss. But hey, he’s the Knicks’ best point guard since Stephon Marbury … The Bulls could go from having no shooters to having it rain buckets. Kyle Korver signed with Chicago for three years, $15 million yesterday, then the team signed J.J. Redick to an offer sheet for three years, $20 million. If Orlando doesn’t match, the Better Basketball film crew should just set up shop at Bulls practice for their next instructional shooting tape … When you call Al Jefferson a “rebound” guy, apparently it has nothing to do with him grabbing 10 boards a night. First he got to be the guy carrying the sorry Wolves in the immediate post-KG era, and now if the trade rumors are true, he may end up headlining the sorry post-LeBron Cavs. Reportedly Cleveland is looking to acquire Big Al in a trade. Could a team led by Jefferson, Jamison and Mo still make the playoffs? … Lots of summer league action Friday, as the Orlando league wraps up and the Vegas league gets started: Derrick Favors had 23 points and 11 rebounds in Jersey’s win over Boston, including a career-ending dunk over one of the Celtics’ unidentified plodding big men; Paul George put up 22 points and 12 boards in the Pacers’ loss to OKC; Gordon Hayward scored 14 to lead Utah past Philly, while Evan Turner had 13 points and 6 boards; Sherron Collins dropped 32 points and 7 threes on Orlando in a Bobcats’ loss; Summer league vet Coby Karl had 16 points, 7 boards and 5 assists to lead Denver past Dallas; Patrick Patterson scored 18 in Houston’s win over Phoenix; Greg Monroe had 8 points and 4 steals as Detroit beat the Lakers, while Derrick Caracter posted 20-and-10 and Devin Ebanks went for 21 points; and Marcus Thornton (no idea why he’s playing summer league) scored 23 in the Hornets loss to G-State … We’re out like Al Jefferson ever playing on a good team …

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  • Yucca Man

    I can’t stand the Lakers. I can’t stand Kobe.

    But the idea that Haslem + ready-to-be-a-corpse Shaq = Bynum is so absurd it’s funny.

    The idea that Bosh = Pau almost as bad.

    And the idea that Fisher has anything left to contribute is downright insane.

    I’ve never seen a team that was built on 3 stars and 9 vets who were really bad the previous year win a championship. But who knows. Anything’s possible, I suppose.

  • Ian

    big island
    sorry but
    wade and kobe are a wash and so are bosh and gasol
    lets give em numbers if u want
    lets say kobe is a 95 wade is a 94 same for gasol 95 and bosh bosh 94
    now bron is a 96 artest is a what 80 at best

    if they meet in the finals i hope the heat lose but it doesnt matter who starts with the 3 in miami that starting 5 will be better.

  • boto

    For people with a selective memory, let’s look at some numbers.

    Pau Gasol (with Memphis)

    Regular Season: 229-310
    Playoffs: 0-12

    Pau Gasol (with LA)

    Regular Season: 149-51
    Playoffs: 46-21

    Chris Bosh (with Toronto)

    Regular Season: 254-320
    Playoffs: 3-8

    Chris Bosh (with Miami)

    Regular Season: n/a
    Playoffs: n/a

    …..Gasol was known as a very good player who wasn’t great on Memphis. Now he’s known as a dominant big man. Bosh is also described as a very good player who isn’t quite a superstar. Let’s check back in on him in a year or two.

  • SlimeBucket

    I just want the season to start. Bulls look really good if they get Redick as well and Orlando looks like it is going backwards since both Shard and VC are not going to get it done in the playoffs. Right now you have to figure the Bulls have to be the favorite out of the East with their new coach improving their defensive and they will clean the boards with Boozer as well. Celtics are another year older and I don’t think they will even have the 4 seed this year with both the Bulls, Bucks, and Heat moving up from last years seedings. The Hawks could still be a playoff team although not a 4 seed; in any case they match up well against the Celtics.

  • SlimeBucket

    Eastern Conference playoff seeding prediction

    1. Heat (South Beach and ring means veterans will come)
    2. Bulls
    3. Orlando
    4. Bucks
    5. Hawks (could move up to 4 if they get Shaq)
    6. Celtics (injury bug will hit them again; they are old)
    7. Charlotte
    8. ??? (Maybe the Wizards depending on what they do with Areas but it is a crapshoot since it will be a team with less than a .500 record)

    I also think it will be very close in terms of win and loss record between 1 – 7 like the Western Conference last year.

  • SlimeBucket

    Also I wouldn’t count out the Suns again. They had a really bad stretch for about a month and they turned around that ship. Amare is gone but I think they have enough offensive still and they just need to keep developing that second unit. Frye moves into the starting lineup and other than the Western Conference Finals he was lights out from 3 point range. That second unit is key. Also, Richardson was not getting a lot of touches at times. He will get a few more touches and Lopez needs to pick up a few more baskets. I think people are going to realize that Amare is not as good without Nash just like Marion fell off the radar. Suns should still be a top 4 seed.

    Also, I think the Thunder matched up well against the Lakers so I think people are expecting a bit too much from them. I think they could move up from the 8 seed that they were but I don’t see them making it into the top 4. They were pretty much injury free whereas most of those other top teams had injuries to key players.

  • Legend 33

    People are underestimating LeBron he is like 1 and a half Dwades, that’s why he was head and shoulders above the field in free agency, ask any GM if they had to start a team who would it be and 30 out of 30 will take Lebron.

    Bynum if healthy is better than a Haselm\Shaq combo, but I doubt he will be a 100% when the Finals roll around. Hmm now all you Lakers fan that want Fisher to start over Blake and was saying how clutch, experienced and a leader he is are saying Blake is better? I’ll take Fisher over Blake in the Finals because he has been there and done that.

    I bet even the die-hard Lakers fan would not bet that they will win more chips this decade(2010-2019) than the Heat and you guys are already up 1 by wining the first chip this decade. Realistically I say the Heat will win at least 5 this decade.

  • Legend 33

    The Heat will shut a lot of folks down with their perimeter defense with Wade and Lebron on the wings deflecting passes and stealing balls(with their long arms and speed)it will be hard to score on them. Chicago was locking people down with Jordan and Pippen much the same way during their run. People are forgetting Wade and James both avg. 1 blk and 2 stls a game.

  • barons beard

    @legend 33 – Lebron is an average on-ball defender at best, chase down blocks on 6 foot guards doesn’t equal being a good defender

  • SlimeBucket

    Western Conference playoff seeding prediction

    1. Lakers
    2. Spurs(they got rid of RJ and finally picked up Tiago; Manu is resting this summer; Parker should be healthy; they have some good young players in Blair/George Hill)
    3. Mavericks
    4. Suns
    5. Jazz*
    6. Portland(I think they will get bad karma for what they did to their GM KP and Oden/Camby will get hurt again)
    7. Thunder
    8. Denver(contract year for Carmelo which means he jacks up more shots to pad his numbers at the sake of wins)

    Jazz probably seems too high but Jerry Sloan always delivers the goods. You can bet against him if you want.

    The more I look at the Western conference potential seating it still seems way too premature to call the Eastern Conference better or even equal. The Clippers should be better as well as the Kings. Hornets should play better with a healthier Paul. The Western Conference is still ridiculously stacked. “West is still the Beast.”

  • S-SiN

    Which one is funnier?

    “Orlando still has Dwight Howard and its title-contending core”

    or

    “Whether it’s Kobe or Carmelo or D-Will who leads his team out of the West”

  • SlimeBucket

    @barons beard – Lebron is better than an average defender. He did a good job against Paul Pierce and even made Rose take ridiculous shots to beat him at times in the playoffs when he was covering him which is ridiculous considering how fast Rose is. With that being said, I think the Lakers are still the favorites to win with or without Bynum. As long as Odom and Artest play decent then they should be fine. I am a Kobe fan hater so it pains me to stay he will get his six rings and 2 3 peats like Jordan. But the following year the Heat should be able to start eclipsing them since they will have their exceptions. Most likely there will be a lockout after this season so who knows if they will even have a playoffs in 2012.

  • S-SiN

    This one tops em all

    “the Better Basketball film crew should just set up shop at Bulls practice for their next instructional shooting tape”

    out like Al an 30 plus wins

  • Conoro

    Has he not written a report on his views?

    Shut the suss up, Joe Cooley High.

  • one and done

    I noticed a recurring sentiment that there can never be a debate between Kobe and Lebron now. Kobe has 5 rings and he did it on his own terms. He didn’t need to “chase” a ring. That’s kinda like comparing someone born into a rich family (Kobe) and someone marrying into a rich family (Lebron). Neither one did it on their own. Kobe always had a solid foundation, that’s why he never left. Minus the 2005-2007 seasons, Kobe never had a bad team. Look up the Cavs 2007 finals team, that team is garbage compared to Kobe’s finals teams.

    I’m going to put this out there. Kobe has NEVER won a title without an elite big man. Dwyane Wade can legitimately claim that he has.

  • S-SiN

    Kobe had a solid foundation? in trophie rooms they had in the Forum? yeah maybe.. but what he really got rite away was a Shaq oriented team from 97 and on with Nick the Quick, Ced 25 per Ceballos and Ediie “The best swingman in the L this side of Scottie Pippen” Jones to battle his spot over AND Del Harris as a head coach. Get the fuck out of here with that rich fam bullshit. we all know what it is, problem is we all know we all woulda done it as well if we were in Brons Nikes. Shit, I go ball with CB or Wader rite now..

  • one and done

    1996-1997 Lakers

    Corie Blount
    Elden Campbell
    Cedric Ceballos
    Derek Fisher (rookie)
    Robert Horry
    Eddie Jones
    Jerome Kersey
    Travis Knight (ha)
    Shaq
    Byron Scott
    Nick Van Exel
    Joe Kleine
    Larry Krystkowiak
    Rumeal Robinson
    Sean Rooks

    2003-2004 Cavaliers

    Tony Battie
    Carlos Boozer
    J.R. Bremer
    Kedrick Brown
    Mateen Cleaves
    Ricky Davis
    DeSagana Diop
    Big Z
    Jason Kapono
    Jelani McCoy
    Jeff McInnis
    Chris Mihm
    Darius Miles
    Lee Nailon
    Ira Newble
    Kevin Ollie
    Michael Stewart
    Bruno Sundov
    Dajuan Wagner
    Eric Williams

    …..yeah. I thought so.

  • Big Island

    Ian, I can respect that almost a wash statement with Kobe/Wade and Bosh/Gasol. Bron is better than Artest, that’s fact. Fish isn’t as good as Blake for the Lakers, and Bynum is as much better than Haslem as Lebron is better than Artest. So assuming everyone is a tie in the starting five, it comes down to the bench (Lakers) and coack (Lakers). You could maybe argue Riley, but he ain’t the coach.

  • frmkt

    Only one way Miami wins a chip next season: Riley comes back to coach… He will have that time conditioned, primed and ready to kick ass. They are younger, more athletic and real fucking hungry… If the Lakers make one mistake or Bynum isn’t available, Lakers go down in a 6 … If not, Lakers in 7. That’s how lethal this Miami team is right now and they’re only going to get better… for years to come… this is a dynasty in the making. we’ve just witnessed “fertilization.”

  • Legend 33

    don’t forget Miami win probably have home court in the playoffs too, they can easily win 65 games in the east playing the NJ,NY,WAS,CHA,TOR of the world.

    And LeBron is a great on ball defender when he wants to be. Yes, he doesn’t go hard on def all the time but he got the natural talent to defend like crazy, trust me Riley will get them to defend.

  • Seamus

    All this talk about free agents and what not..

    What exactly is the story with Allen Iverson??

    I’m sure he could be a nice piece with any team this year. I know he’s 35 but I reckon he could get 15-20ppg. He’s arguably one of the best scoring PG’s of all time.

  • dano

    Because no one ever said bosh could go down as the greatest ever, thats why.

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