Smack / Feb 18, 2011 / 1:38 am

D-Rose d-rops 42 on San Antonio; All-Star Weekend 2011 is here

Derrick Rose (photo. Chad Griffith)

Derrick Rose (photo. Chad Griffith)

Has it really come to this? Derrick Rose can drop a 40-ounce on the best team in the League, the team with a 13-time All-Defensive pick patrolling the paint, and it’s not even a big surprise? At least it wasn’t to D-Rose, whose reaction at the end of his 42-point torching of the San Antonio Spurs last night had all the enthusiasm of a guy stuck in morning traffic … Chicago was up by seven at halftime, when Rose already had 21 points. He opened the third quarter in a brief jump shot duel with Tim Duncan, then took a backseat as Luol Deng and Carlos Boozer got theirs. Those two carried the Bulls to a double-digit lead about midway through the fourth, and then D-Rose (18-28 FG, 8 asts, 1 TO) took over again. His and-one over Tony Parker (26 pts) began a run where he scored 13 of Chicago’s final 15 points and hit dagger after dagger to keep the Spurs out of reach … Duncan (14 pts, 9 rebs) shaved his head, going with the Isaac Hayes baldie/beard look for All-Star Weekend. Duncan actually looked like he could be Boozer’s older brother … Watching the Bulls’ offense running on all cylinders, compared to how the Jazz are struggling, you’re seeing how much Boozer means to a team. Chicago’s frontcourt has become a very good interior passing unit, something Booz carried over with him from Utah … Serious question: How would the best Spurs team of the Duncan era — let’s go with the 2007 squad, when TD could still dominate and Parker had really come into his own — compete with the Jordan-era Bulls? Manu Ginobili and Bruce Bowen could conceivably somewhat hold their own against Jordan and Scottie Pippen, San Antonio would have the edge at point guard with Parker, and then who would guard Duncan? Plus, Gregg Popovich has proven he can out-coach Phil Jackson. It would be interesting … When did everybody officially stop considering the Mavericks a championship contender? (Probably the exact moment Caron Butler‘s knee popped.) Even though Dirk Nowitzki isn’t putting up crazy MVP numbers like he was earlier in the season — he’s averaged less than 20 points a night in January and February — this team is still very dangerous, as they showed in Phoenix last night … The Mavs led by two with five minutes left, before Dirk (35 pts, 13-18 FG) hit two free throws and a tough turnaround banker, and Tyson Chandler got a putback dunk and-one over Channing Frye to provide some cushion. On the replay, you could see Mickael Pietrus briefly make eye contact with Frye after the dunk, then lower his gaze like he was embarrassed for him … Frye (24 pts) kept the Suns in it until the final seconds though, like when he banked in a trey with 17 seconds left cut the Dallas lead to three. But the Mavs converted their free throws, and before that, got multiple wide-open shots on possessions where Phoenix needed stops …Read More>>

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  • http://Dimemag.com Chrisballz

    D-rose is THEE JOINT.
    kid is doin everything this year AND his cast has been wak all year.
    Rose for MVP fo sho

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9RJbLV98fI Showtime

    You know that Rodman guy was pretty good on defense. I love Duncan’s game and he has the size advantage but everybody had that on Rodman and still he found ways to guard even Shaq

    And Ginobili plus Bowen could NOT hold their own against Jordan and Pippen. What the f*ck is wrong with you? No way the refs call those flops when Jordan sends Ginobili flying

  • http://uoregon.edu sans


    that 95 contest was supremely weak…most memorable thing was when Rider missed the eastbay funk twice (what a great name for a dunk)…Rose’s supporting cast is great, if oft injured, he has a good 2nd and 3rd scorers, a shooter on the bench, a defensive minded big man, and they’re all good enough as a team to keep Keith Bogans in the League…I mean, faux reel, a team has to be pretty bad ass to start Keith Bogans and not have it effect them negatively

  • Me

    “Manu Ginobili and Bruce Bowen could conceivably somewhat hold their own against Jordan and Scottie Pippen”


  • cov

    every dunk contest dunk ever


  • http://dimemag.com Austin Burton

    Manu holds his own against Kobe, so I don’t think Jordan would completely murder him or anything. You think of who Jordan was facing back then — Starks, Reggie, Gerald Wilkins, Nick Anderson — and Manu isn’t at the back of that pack.


    “Manu Ginobili and Bruce Bowen could conceivably somewhat hold their own against Jordan and Scottie Pippen”

    Written by a drunk Austin Burtin!

    Jordan would dare Bowen to shot, Pippen would have forced Manu right and when Manu goes left, Pip know Manu gonna go behind his back dribble. Sic Ron Harper on Tony. Or switch Pip on Tony and allow Harper to guard Manu.


    “Manu Ginobili and Bruce Bowen could conceivably somewhat hold their own against Jordan and Scottie Pippen”

    Written by a drunk Austin Burton!

  • jerkishbehavior.com

    This Smack should be 110% all about the MVP of league in DRose 42pts 8asts plus a 10pt victory over the best team in the league, nuff said. Start the engraving process now..I told yall so since day 1 of season #GetInLine

  • pipdaddyy

    Gotta agree with Showtime’s comment, that Rodman guy was not a bad defender. No was Ginobili could do anything against MJ or Pip, but let’s do give a little credit to Bowen who could frustrate either one a little. Still its the Bulls team all the way.

  • spit hot fiyah


  • zeitgeist

    “Manu Ginobili and Bruce Bowen could conceivably somewhat hold their own against Jordan and Scottie Pippen”

    ….clearly you wrote that to provoke some comments….

    Even YOU cannot believe that trash…

  • KAM

    This guy is foolish, “Manu & Bowen could hold their own against Jordan & Pip”, he should be committed for writing such nonsense.

  • Diggity Dave

    Lenny Kravitz gets his pants on just like everyone else, one leg at a time. Only once his pants are on, he makes gold records.

  • Quedas

    “Manu Ginobili and Bruce Bowen could conceivably somewhat hold their own against Jordan and Scottie Pippen”

    Like it’s been said already, this kind of dumb statement has only one intention: stir s*** up…

    Anyone with a semblance of basketball knowledge knows Ginobili and Bowen could never, EVER, “hold their own” against Jordan and Pippen. Are you f****** kidding me?!

  • Josh Tha roc

    Hahahah classic Dave

  • First & Foremost

    Jordan-Pippen combo is too sacred to say that any other wing combo can mess with them. Give it another decade or so and then they will be brought down a notch and put up for debate. I wouldn’t say ginobli gets steamrolled but Jordan wouldn’t be pushed all that hard. The Eurostep vs. Automatic Fadeaways.

    Really? Since when does Tim Duncan get frazzled? Close games but Bulls in 6.

  • josh tha roc


    hilarious interview with Blake, don’t know if you guys have seen it.

  • josh tha roc

    my comment got deleted wtf?

    just a funny interview with Blake Griffen

    different from the myspace ones


  • First & Foremost

    Your comments don’t get deleted, sometimes you have to refresh the page.

    Will the rookies get back to back wins this year?

    Dark Horse in the 3-point shootout – Mr. Kiesha Cole
    Dunk Contest – Javale Mcgee [Made Free Throw Line Dunk; Kissing the Backboard]

  • http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/you_re_a_homo_767.jpg JAY

    @ DIME: “Manu Ginobili and Bruce Bowen could conceivably somewhat hold their own against Jordan and Scottie Pippen, San Antonio would have the edge at point guard with Parker, and then who would guard Duncan?”

    WTF?!?!?! These statements imply that Manu/Bowen vs MJ/Pippen is a write-off match up. Are you serious, DIME? For an actual publication to write that crap is retarded. Lol!
    First off, Parker wouldn’t get much done with Harper on him. Secondly, Rodman guarded K. Malone and Shaq better than anyone I’ve seen. And thirdly, the Bulls had Kukoc coming off the bench. Who, on San Antonio, is going to guard a 6’11” point power-forward?

    Come on, DIME. Did you write that with the intention of causing a stir? Or are you actually serious?

  • That’s What’s Up

    I would be on the Pippen bandwagon if I didn’t see him play like ass for 3 years in Houston. He was horrible and still, technically, in his prime.

    he needed Jordan more than Stockton needed Malone

  • http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/you_re_a_homo_767.jpg JAY

    @AB: “Manu holds his own against Kobe, so I don’t think Jordan would completely murder him or anything. You think of who Jordan was facing back then — Starks, Reggie, Gerald Wilkins, Nick Anderson — and Manu isn’t at the back of that pack.”

    Sorry AB… Kobe is no MJ. The difference between Kobe and MJ is patience. MJ is much better at waiting for his opportunities to open up. Ginobili may score his 20… but MJ could drop 40 or even 50 on Ginobili or Bowen while having a conversation with them.

    “Hey, you look familiar. I think I saw you on TV or something… That’s it!!! Perfect Strangers, right?? What’s up Balki!! How’s cousin Larry? How are things back in Mepos. Just an FYI, I’m going to score 30 pts with just my fadeaway, and maybe another 10 from the line. and if you make a mistake, I might hit a couple lay-ups. If you stop me, maybe you and cousin Larry can do the dance of joy. Ok, just to help you out, here comes a fadeaway, you ready?? In 5…4…3…2…1…



  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9RJbLV98fI Showtime

    You guys can’t be serious. If anything Pippen was/is underrated. Dude averaged 22 pts 9 boards 6 dimes and 3 steals while Jordan was playing baseball. Now add the fact that Pippen probably was the best team/help defender of all time and this shouldn’t even be a discussion

  • Tig obamo

    yu krazy bruce bowen would get p-owned by jordan and lets say he slowed down jordan who da hell is guuarding pippen he was like 6’8 manu to short he’ll just post his ass and rodman would bottle duncan smh and harper would own tp its murderr everywhere jordan would coach the team himself if he felt he was going to lose

  • Ian

    here we go again with the rodman stopping superstars thing.
    just because dude could stand behing the best pfs and centers doesnt mean hes effective against them. go check the stats for kemp and malone vs rodman in the finals. now go check how a rookie td did against him. rodman was good but he isnt stopping duncan hes not malone that will go for every rodman bs move and flop around mid court like two fags. harper isnt stopping parker. ill go with the bulls in 7 close games but remember the bulls struggled against greats bigs they couldnt beat the the spurs (robinson) and rockets (olajuwon) when they first threepeated. td is in that group but i rather go with a 05 spurs to make things closer td in his prime and manu at his healthiest. of course jordan is the greatest 2g ever and arguably the goat but he didnt hace sgs like the nba had today and manu is considered one of the best (not by control of course) so why couldnt he give jordan a good series? jordan also didnt face a team as good as todays lakers and celtics in the finals imo. how about the 99 team with a still very good admiral and td vs longley?

    now dime should do a tourney going by alltime players for each team.

  • Ian

    now i kinda agree with showtime
    pippen imo what the 4th best player of the 90s.

  • http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/you_re_a_homo_767.jpg JAY

    @Ian: ” td is in that group but i rather go with a 05 spurs to make things closer td in his prime and manu at his healthiest…manu is considered one of the best (not by control of course) so why couldnt he give jordan a good series”

    Manu is one of the top 2-guards TODAY. You want to rewind the clock to ’05 but use today’s Manu?? Sorry, Ian. If you make an argument for the 2005 Spurs team, you can’t use 2011 Manu.

    And why we people writing off Reggie Miller? Mitch Richmond? Dumars? Drexler??
    Just to remind you all, there was an argument who was the best 2-guard… Drexler or MJ. Which made the Bulls/Blazers Finals more interesting. MJ KILLED Drexler that series. and Clyde is a HOFer. Does anyone think Manu is going to the HOF?? Sorry, but with his portfolio so far, I don’t.

  • black swamba

    @Tig obamo

    It’s called punctuation, try it once in a while, you might like it. (also you could avoid riding the short bus)

    Better question is, the wade-lebron combo against the jordan-pippen combo. Wade wouldn’t slow MJ down that much but I can’t see Pippen stopping Lebron.

  • Ian

    Manu in 05 was one of the top 2 guards before all the injuries he was better than the 11 version go watch the 05 finals again vs the great pistons defense. The same team that beat the lakers in 04.
    Really jay manus portfolio isn’t hof worthy?? Sorry to break this to you but he’s a hofer for sure. Drexler scored a lot but where’s all the hardware manus won everywhere? Manu shows up for big games drexler didn’t.

    You mentioned richmond well sir he didn’t have a good team to compete with the beast of a team jordan had around him so it didn’t matter how many times he got 40 his team sucked. Reggie who wasn’t even better than pippen gave jordan all he could handle and that’s with the bulls having the 2 best players in the series. Reggie shot more threes sure but manu will do more stuff in a game than reggie.

  • http://www.dynastybasketball.net sean.dynastybball

    Click my name: Rose highlights

    Am I the only one excited about the skills challenge during ASW? I could give two shits about about the rookie / soph game. It’s all about Sat night.

    Blake Griffin better deliver on his “show them something they’ve never seen promise”!

  • http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/you_re_a_homo_767.jpg JAY

    Rodman’s defence wasn’t just about man-to-man coverage. He out hustled everyone on the court. He’s more mobile than TD and most PFs ever. He’s hedged the pick-n-roll perfectly, and he had the ability to guard all 5 positions.
    Since you brought up Rodman vs Kemp & Malone…
    vs Kemp: He had games where he grabbed 18 and 20 boards, and in 2 games he had 11 offensive rebounds.
    vs Malone: He played with a bum knee in the first Finals matchup. But played Malone brilliantly in their second matchup. Malone did score 39 in Game 5 but the other 5 games, he shot terribly.

    “ill go with the bulls in 7 close games but remember the bulls struggled against greats bigs they couldnt beat the the spurs (robinson) and rockets (olajuwon) when they first threepeated.”
    Are you picking the best Spurs team versus the worst Bulls team? You’re all over the place man. Lol. Let’s stick with the 72-win Bulls vs. whatever you think the best Spurs team is. Because if we’re talking the first Bulls 3-peat, that team had Pip, MJ, and Grant, and nobody else.
    When MJ came back and had Harper, Kukoc and Rodman, they were unstoppable.

  • http://brokejumper.com/ Adam Dickau

    I’ll admit I didn’t think D-Rose would be this good, once Noah gets healthy they may have a shot. I think Carlos Boozer and Deng are the unsung heroes of this unit.

  • http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/you_re_a_homo_767.jpg JAY

    @Ian: “Really jay manus portfolio isn’t hof worthy?? Sorry to break this to you but he’s a hofer for sure. ”
    Manu a HOFer?? Really?? 15/4/4 is a Hall of Fame career?? BAHAHAH! They better make room in the Hall because if Manu gets in… guys like T-Mac, Vince, Richmond, G-Hill, heck, even Monte Ellis, the list goes on…

    “Drexler scored a lot but where’s all the hardware manus won everywhere?”
    Clyde has a ring, first team honors, multiple 2nd team honors, 10-time all-star. He led his team to the Finals. How many teams has Manu carried on his back?

  • Ian

    I’m not picking the worst bulls team imo the first threepeat team is better. So they won 72 games in 96 nice but the comp wasn’t like the early 90s. If you think the first threepeat team only had 3 good players we shouldn’t even argue about this cuz you clearly don’t remember that team and his airness in his super prime.

  • http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/you_re_a_homo_767.jpg JAY

    Sorry…. can’t get over the claim that Manu frikkin Ginobili is a hall-of-fame player.


    *bored @ work*

  • http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/you_re_a_homo_767.jpg JAY

    @Ian: “I’m not picking the worst bulls team imo the first threepeat team is better.”
    You have a right to your opinion… but I can’t continue a conversation with someone with that opinion.

    In my opinion, that opinion is crazy. Crazy, i tell ya!! Lol.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9RJbLV98fI Showtime

    @ JAY

    I’m not exactly the biggest fan of Ginobili but he is a Hall of Famer.

    It’s the Basketball Hall of Fame not the NBA Hall of Fame.

    His NBA averages aren’t outstanding but he has three NBA championships. I know I know, guys like Horry, Fisher and so on have rings as well but Manu’s been a star before the NBA. 2x League MVP in Italy (when Italy was at least on par or better than the Spanish league), Euroleague MVP, Olympic gold medal and so on

  • jdizzle

    The comment board has been hi-jacked….aw to hell with it I’ll join in but not before I bring everybody back to 2011. I think its obvious who the best PG in the league is now. Rose has beaten all the top PGs so who else does he have to prove himself against? Now we just have to go back and beat Ray Felton lol. Now as far as the whole Bulls vs Spurs thing goes would Bowen & Ginobili give Mike & Scottie problems? No. Would they annoy the hell out of them? Absolutely! And who was the starting C for the 05 or 07 Spurs? Nazr Mohammed? Rasho Nesterovic? Im asking for real because i dont know. As far as X-factors go the Bulls obviously win that matchup. Toni Kukoc was versatile, whereas all you had to do was keep a hand in Robert Horry’s face outside the trey line. Chicago in 6(because Mike has NEVER let a Finals series go to 7 games)

  • First & Foremost

    See look what you start Dime. Now you got these two all riled up.
    Ian vs. Jay

    Manu will be in the basketball HOF but I don’t think he gets in the NBA HOF. By today’s standards he came over kind of old, 23, and then had some injury plagued years. Always mentioned as the best 2 guard but came off the bench and wasn’t too healthy a couple of years. With the sentiment for flopping getting negative more and more by the day, he will be known as a flopper and might not get the votes necessary by the time he is eligible. HOF talent, but not a HOF career.

    Wade-Lebron vs Jordan-Pippen. Lebron would get caught up in the hype and try to out shoot Jordan. That would play right into the bulls.

  • WinDelRoj

    To take the argument a step further. Jordan spent his whole career getting hand and hip checked. They allowed contact back in the day. So you didnt really get to see MJ using todays rules. We got pretty close actually and he was dropping 20 a game at damn near 40. Bruce Bowen would foul out of the game by the 1st half and (i love manu) Manu would have awful offensive numbers taking him out of the game.

  • Stunnaboy2K11

    Come on Ian, shit the Bulls won SEVENTY TWO games for Christs sake. Also Jordan has chewed up and spit out Drexler who as JAY pointed out was even better than Manu.

    When did Manu become a top 2 guard, am I missing something? It’s pretty much been Kobe/Wade (however you wan;t to put it) since 06 no way Manu cracks that list because he plays with the greatest PF of all time and a P who has just about as many AS appearances as him as well as a Finals MVP.

    Chicago chew up and spit out any Spurs team you but seems like ya’ll have forgotten who Michael Jeffery Jordan was again. They don’t call him GOAT fro nothing.

  • dagwaller

    I’ll just jump in at the end and say that the Bulls would absolutely kill the Spurs. Put Bowen on Jordan and say that Jordan ONLY gets in the mid 20s on average shooting. Pip would dominate Manu so bad it’d more than make up for it. And you KNOW that Jordan and Pip would lock Parker/Ginobili down.

    TD vs. Rodman? I understand that TD is the best PF of all time, but his defensive efforts would be wasted on Rodman, and Rodman is to defense at the 4 what Bowen is to defense at the 3. So if we’re going to give Bowen the benefit of the doubt against Jordan, wouldn’t we have to do the same for Rodman against Duncan?

    Bulls in 5? 4?

  • Ian

    Here’s something you should know that everyone else already does. International ball counts so that euro league title , mvp , gold medal and 3 rings make him a lock for the hof. Peace jay.

  • jdizzle

    And about the worst dunk contest dunks ever there were worst dunks than Antonio Harvey’s.

    Tim Perry’s ”turrible” 360 attempt, Dale Davis bouncing the ball directly into the crowd, Baron Davis’ blind fold attempt where he proceeded to windmill the ball straight to the ground, and of course…Darrell Armstrong’s full speed running reverse lay up. All biblical fails lol!

  • http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/you_re_a_homo_767.jpg JAY

    Yes, it’s called the Basketball Hall of fame but a large majority of the players who get in are NBA guys. Kukoc isn’t even in the Hall-of-Fame.

    and furthermore, Sabonis, who is easily the best European center ever, and even considered by some as one of the best centers ever, even though he only joined in the NBA when he was 32, isn’t even in the Hall. He’s in the FIBA Hall-of-Fame but not the Basketball HOF.

    Manu is a 2-time all-star and made the 3rd team all-nba team once. Before you guys start putting Ginobili in there you gotta compare him to the other great Euros. He’s a lock for the FIBA HOF. but I wouldn’t be as eager as some of you to put him into the Basketball HOF. When Kukoc and Sabonis get in, then u can start that discussion.

  • http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/you_re_a_homo_767.jpg JAY

    @Ian: “Peace jay.”
    You write that like you won something. Lol.

    See post #45. Sabonis has waaaaaaaaaaaay more accolades in Euroleague than Manu has. FYI, he’s not in the Hall. Hasn’t even been nominated.

  • darko’s doughnuts

    ROSE IS ROSE!!!! He’s ballin right now…Top MVP candidate for 1st half of the season!!!!

  • Ian

    Hehe sorry top 2guard as in shooting guard not that he’s the second best but he can make a case for 3rd best. That’s why I said he’s a top 2guard. Now where did I write the spurs win?? I just said the series is close because the 00s have seen a couple of team better than anything the bulls played in the finals. I bet I’m not the only one who thinks that the first threepeat bulls were better. Now using todays rules wouldn’t jordan and pippen foul out faster than bowen? Jordan said that thing himself that playing today he would prob foul fast.

    Super busy day for me austin shoulda left this for a sunday.

  • First & Foremost

    We all just need to take a Ginobili step back and ask why we even got caught up in this bulls-spurs question. The bulls beat all challengers with the expection of Jerry Krause of possibly gambling.

    I’ll take Stephen Curry in the Skills challenge. Isn’t one of the spots making a jumpshot?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9RJbLV98fI Showtime

    @ JAY

    No doubt Sabonis should be in, Bodiroga and a few others as well. Rodman should have been a Hall of Famer for years now and today even Reggie Miller got snubbed (he’s elegible for the first time this year and apparently didn’t get enough votes)

  • darko’s doughnuts

    P.S. Everybody stop hating on Bogans…he is solid…had a great college career and has played well for several NBA teams as a defensive stopper and solid off-gaurd. GO KENTUCKY!!!

  • http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/you_re_a_homo_767.jpg JAY

    @Showtime… agreed. IMO Rodman is a lock.

    On behalf of myself and Ian, we apologize for fucking up today’s Smack topic. Lol. Totally hi-jacked that shit. We went from Spurs/Bulls, to Drexler, to Manu HOF. All over the fukkin place!!

  • Ian

    Wtf didn’t we agree its not worth the argue?? That’s why I wrote peace as in later as in bye. Btw won what a battle of opinions? I said it before I don’t like arguing a lot with people that use lol and lmao that much.

    Sorry another reason I think its gonna be close is the 98 series vs the pacers the spurs are better than the pacers and the bulls barely got by them. Hey a very wise man once said u trade malone for td and the jazz split the finals vs the bulls. (He’s not wise I kinda hate him but hey his comment helps me now so ill go with it)

  • hakasan

    this has been said many a times today, but bowen+manu holding their own against mj is pippen?? maybe if bowen+manu were on roids and pippen/mj has the flu… wait, you don’t want mj with the flu…

    and please keep in mind that while lebron/wade are still learning to play together, mj/pippen never had the problem as pippen knew he was second fiddle to mj… mj will probably drop 60 on wade, and pippen adding maybe 10 points, but holding lebron to 20…

    and seriously, if bowen/manu can contain mj/pippen, horace grant or rodman can more than neutralize duncan…

  • That’s What’s Up

    Look the bulls went 72-10 and they deserve there place in history.
    But that was the same year that the Raptors and Grizzlies joined the league. There was an expansion draft and a lot of teams were weakened as a result. So, would that 72-10 hold up in any other year? I’m not so sure

  • dapro

    Ok I gotta jump in on this arguement even though I know Dime couldnt have been serious with that statement

    First off Pippen was severly underated, his numbers increased in Mikes abscence and he was one terrible Hue Hollins call away from leading them to the Finals! Hue Hollins is no longer in the league as a result of that call…

    Bowen and Manu couldn’t gaurd Mike and Pip without help which negates Bowens reason for being in the game, the Bulls rarely doubled teamed the post so Bowen not getting open looks

  • That’s What’s Up

    their place…
    need coffee

  • Claw

    @Ian – Manu would make the Hall of Fame..in Argentina’s HOF he’s not sniffing the Basketball HOF.

    NOBODY on the Spurs could guard MJ or Pippen, Bowen? Both were bigger and stronger, they would have killed him in the post and shoot over him. Maybe if Bowen pulled that sticking his foot under them when they shot so they turned an ankle that could be considered “stopping” them.

    @Austin – Do you believe and of that stuff you write? Can’t tell if you actually have even a small amount of belief in your post or just to draw discussion. Reminds me you need to do another Lebron vs Kobe article or how Lebron is the best player in Miami and is a great guy.

  • First & Foremost

    @Claw – If Bowen had tried sticking his foot or punching people in the balls. David Stern would have choked the mess out of him with a bowtie after the game for putting THE Golden Child of the NBA in danger.

    I wouldn’t put it past a ref to stab him for trying that. All of his 3 pointers would be unreviewable 2s.

  • http://dimemag.com Austin Burton

    @Claw — Yes. When I say Manu and Bowen could “conceivably somewhat hold their own,” obviously I’m not saying they would get the upper hand, but at the same time, people need to be realistic about Jordan/Pippen. All-time greats? Of course. Did they absolutely crush and dominate every single team they played? No. Somebody said in the comments that MJ would give Wade 60. Really? How many times did MJ actually hit 60 in his career, and you think he’d just drop 60 on D-Wade like it’s something to do. Same for Manu/Bowen. We’re talking about a (at least borderline) Hall of Fame two-guard and a small forward who made All-Defensive Team several times. Jordan/Pippen aren’t just gonna crap on them easily.

  • Ian

    Austin not only that but they talk about them like they won every year or pulled out some russell type shit. Btw people jordan didn’t win in the punch and clothline era he was usually the one getting the beat down from the celts and pistons he won after larrys back gave out and isiah got tired of beating him. 6 titles and arguably the goat yeah but he didn’t beat the 80s teams and his finals opponents weren’t all that. Love that 60 on wade comment he didn’t do it against scrubs like that sure as hell he isn’t going to drop 60 on wade.

  • First & Foremost

    That’s what I was tellin you before. They are great but too highly regarded in this audience for a fair comparison.

    Also, whose rules are we playing with. I wish I could handcheck somebody doing the Eurostep.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9RJbLV98fI Showtime

    @ Austin

    Of course they didn’t crush every single team but they made life miserable for every single wing scorer. When you faced Jordan & Pippen (throw in a little Harper) you were doomed for a bad offensive night. They could take turns harrassing Ginobili the whole game while yould play free safety and help everywhere including on Timmy.

    On the other hand you have a fun matchup with Bowen hounding Jordan. Jordan will get his but Bowen might actually annoy him a little. But that leaves you with Ginobli who’s what, 6’5 and 200 pounds on Pippen. That’s the game changer right there cuz Scottie is gonna post him and they are gonna exploit that on every single possession. So you either have to double Pippen in the post or Manu is in foul trouble after 5 plays

  • dagwaller

    I think of it like this.

    Jordan was the Kobe of his day.
    Pippen was the LeBron of his day.
    Rodman was the best defender of his day, if not ever.

    So if we put the BEST 2 guard, the BEST SF, and the BEST defender in the League (unless you want to say it was Mike or Scottie) all on the same team and had the BEST coach handle them, wouldn’t you get a team KIND of like today’s Heat? The same team that has a top 3 record in the League or something?

    Except that they also had a respectable PG and a 6th man that would’ve started for any other team in the League?

    Wouldn’t that make them BETTER than one of the top teams in the League today?

    I’m not into hero worship, but these are some facts.

  • http://dimemag.com Austin Burton

    Think of it like this:

    1998 – Bulls pushed to 7 games by Indiana, 6 games by Utah
    1997 – Bulls pushed to 6 games by Utah
    1996 – Bulls pushed to 6 games by Seattle

    Now do you think those Pacers, Jazz and Sonics teams were better than that best Spurs team? So if they could at least give Chicago a battle, why would the Spurs get manhandled?

    Duncan is at least arguably better than anybody on those Indiana, Utah or Seattle teams. Pop is arguably better than Sloan, Larry Brown and George Karl. So why wouldn’t it be a close series?

  • Allen

    ginobili could hold his own. he didnt say he would be as effective or beat jordan but he could deifnetly play with them. ive seen alot worse players then ginobili get the best of jordan on several occasions. but yeah GO BULLS!

  • Ian

    Exactly the spurs are better than those teams that why the series is a close one not some bulls in 5 bs.


  • chris

    bill simmons got it right – “Derrick Rose -I still have him as the MVP. If you disagree, go look at the standings, try to find me 10 games in which Carlos Boozer and Joakim Noah played together, then watch Keith Bogans play for 10 minutes” -cracks me up cos its soooo true.

  • chris

    and the miami heat will ALWAYS be the miami CHEAT, as long as lebron and dwayne are there…those 2 dudes are so competitive, they travel, foul, fake at least 10 times a game each…and get away with it! wish the refs would crack down on them, then we’d find out how really good they can be.

  • Celts Fan

    @everyone – Manu’s definitely a hall of famer. he’s been the #2 on 3 title teams and the #1 on a gold medal team while being an all star a bunch of times and RAN SHIT in the EuroLeague for a few years before taking his talents to San Antonio. he’s the best international player ever not named Hakeem. it’s not the NBA HoF or the American Basketball HoF, it’s the Basketball Hall of Fame. It all counts and Manu will have a spot reserved for him. But yes, MJ/Scottie (whichever one Bowen didn’t guard) would make him pay.

  • Claw

    @Austin – I think the example of the Bulls just crushing them or MJ scoring 60 are exaggerated but its not like it was just MJ and Pippen, you also had Rodman or Horace Grant and Kukoc and a solid bench with 3 points shooters like Kerr or Paxson. TD is one of my favorite players and I loved watching him work the post but to say they could hang with the Bulls and possibly beat them in a 7 game series is far fetched.

    That Pacer team had Reggie in his prime and Rick Smits, who would be a top 3 center in the L today. The Sonics had the best record a couple of years in a row and this was the heighth of Malone/Stockton. I wouldn’t say the Spurs could beat any of those teams for sure in a series. That would be close.

  • http://www.werner.com.ar Andy W

    Manu for MVP

  • Claw

    Is Manu’s resume better than Kukoc’s or Sabonis who was considered the best passing big man when he came into the L at 32 and the tailend of his career?

    Manu is a great intl talent but i wouldn’t put him ahead of either Kukoc or Sabonis. I’d take Petro over Manu also.

  • Ian

    kukoc over manu? ehh nope.
    sabonis over manu?? eh nope hes missing the nba hardware. petro sadly didnt have time to prove what he was able to do.

    none of them are over manu for hof consideration.

    smits top three center today?? (i dont agree with that) lets say you are right but that has nothing to do with td and the spurs td is miles ahead of smits not a chance of being close and if a team that has smits gives the bulls trouble imagine what a team with td could do. lets call reggie for what he is a great shooter and nothing else reggie is one of my fav players ever but hes OVERRATED. he cant do half the stuff manu does to win games. the pacers cant beat the spurs the sonics cant either. the jazz made the finals cuz the dominant teams out west got old they were the ones left standing. houston , portland , spurs , suns all of them were on the downhill. the spurs have beaten the lakers , kings , pistons , mavs , suns this decade teams that can beat the of at leastt (the lakers would def beat) give a close series to anything jordan faced in the 90s.

    btw who the hell mentioned nba hall of fame as being apart from the basketball hall of fame?

  • Ian

    then again no one played jordan better than reggie so im taking the overrated back hes one of my favs

  • LakeShow84

    Fuck man i cant read catch up on 76 posts lmao

    But Pippen would LOCK Ginobli down and Jordan would let Bowen do his thing (which was nothing offensively)

    And could Bowen really stop Jordan?? He couldnt stop Kobe so thats a no..

    Id say the way they would match up would lead to the loss..

    But vintage Duncan with who?? Luc Longley i think?? D’him up??

    Shit Timmay may go 30,15,4,4,2.. Vintage Tim Duncan was such a fuckin monster..

  • Ian

    no one stops superstars but you can slow em down
    kobe barely shots 40percent when playin bowen so ill take 30pts from kobe if it takes him 25 shots to get em.

  • Ian

    of course it would really be like 35 shots cuz he needs some freethrows

  • http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/you_re_a_homo_767.jpg JAY

    Cosign Claw #74.
    Sabonis and Kukoc should get in the Hall before Manu.

    @Celts Fan
    “Manu’s… been the #2 on 3 title teams”
    Parker won Finals MVP once. TD was MVP twice. I argue that Parker was the #2 guy in one of the 2 years TD won MVP. At best, Manu was #2 in 1 Championship run.

    “…the #1 on a gold medal team”
    FYI, Luis Scola scored 25pts in that Final. Yes, Manu led his team in scoring and assists during the entire tourney, but Scola wasn’t too far behind in either category and he led the team in rebounds (i think he was top ten in the tourney). There was a legitimate argument Scola should have won MVP.

    “while being an all star a bunch of times”
    If “a bunch of times” means twice then your right.

    BTW, while looking up what Manu did in the Olympics, I glanced at Scola’s accomplishments during his career…

    Very close to what Ginobili has accomplished. So if Ginobili is a “lock for the HOF”, as some of you suggest, does that mean Scola should at least be nominated??

    Ginobili is a very good player. Don’t get me wrong. It’s just that, IMO, the Hall-of-Fame should be reserved for the game’s greatest players/coaches/pioneers. Ginobili, to me, doesn’t fall into that title. It’s the HALL-OF-FAME for goodness sake… not the Hall-for-very-good-accomplished players/coaches.

  • Ian

    hey show hehehe i was looking at head to head stats and i see manu is 19-9 vs kobe alltime niceee

  • Ian

    james 9-5 vs kobe
    wade 7-7 vs kobe
    manu 19-9 vs kobe
    roy 7-3 vs kobe

    so kobe is a combined 24-42
    vs those players

  • dagwaller

    @ Austin – when you put it like that, I have to give it to you. I’d say Bulls in 6, maybe 5.

    I think that the best Spurs team could probably take some of the teams that pushed the Bulls.

    Still hard to say, because of the rule changes etc, which I think would make the Bulls even better.

    Ginobili is DEFINITELY going to the HoF. All of the guys that are up for it have a good shot. I can see Mullin not making it.

  • Ian

    theres in one thing that many of you guys dont give a lot of credit to because you are used to them is gold medals. in basketball whenever the us win is not that impressive cuz your 12th man is better than the best player on all the other teams most of the time. now when someone knocks the us down its some impressive shit. this isnt baseball that has a bunch of countries that can win its basketball its your thing. that 04 medal is worth more than the 3 titles hes has in the nba imo. i see jay tried to make it sound like the team was stacked because scola was good can someone please tell me if scola even has a shot at team if he was american? in short NO. how good is delfino?? or the short shawn bradley nocioni? has scola been one of the top three players on a team that has won 3 times(yeah top 3 cuz he was the best player on the 05 squad that beat the pistons)?? ehh again no. you can take all you want from his accomplishment but the gold medal theres nothing anyone can say about that one.

  • http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/you_re_a_homo_767.jpg JAY

    I was looking at a list of players who are not in the Hall… Bernard King isn’t in?!?!? WTF? That’s messed up. I’m pretty sure he’s top 20 on the all-time scoring list. Maybe even sniffing the top 10 when he retired. That’s crazy.

  • LakeShow84

    @ Ian

    Lmao fuckin Trailblazers and their Garden lol

    And Manu is 19-9???

    Thats crazy lol but i will say Kobe never stops him and he never stops Kobe..

  • LakeShow84

    And yes Ginobli is a HOF..

    Crazy that Bernard isnt in i didnt know that either.. Thats fuckin racism!!!

    lol jk jk

  • LakeShow84

    Aye its Friday so ima show u guys the funniest shit i seen all week



    Kevin Hart aka Chocolate Drop in the studio.. Funniest shit lolololololololool

  • Mt. Pleasant

    Obviously I wouldn’t bet against MJ but it would be closer than you guys seem to think.

    I don’t want to get into a this year vs that year thing but in 97 and 98 the Bulls beat Utah in 6 games, many of them decided by 5 or less. I think most of these SA teams would put up more of a fight than those Utah teams. I was young but I remember Malone missing a lot of jumpers at the end of games I think that TD makes. And if you compare the SA roster’s to Utah its obviously better.

  • LakeShow84

    Mt Pleasant got a point

    Tim Duncan is better (way??) than Malone..

    Shit if Malone wasnt such a lame duck Jordan never wouldve made Russell famous with that game winner since the play before that Jordan wandered and stole Mailmans lunch..

    Malone wasnt clutch while Duncan is MAD CLUTCH..

  • Ian

    i know hehehee i didnt know manu was 19-9 i thought shit was closer.

    you know the sports guys says the same thing that theres no way he sees td being striped and dropped tothe ground like malone was.

    mr pleasant

  • First & Foremost

    So we all agree the Bulls would win, but it would be a hard fought series.

    Reggie should have been in his first eligible class. With the string of first ballots that have rolled through in recent years eventually someone wouldn’t get the initial nod.

    In all seriousness I though Dennis Rodman would get in posthumous.

  • Ian

    shit man i cant say my spurs would lose to the bulls.

  • First & Foremost

    Don’t think of it as losing to the bulls…
    Try saying falling short to a superior team after giving one hell of an effort.
    The Spurs would still be considered champions… of the Western Conference.

    Nah, I’m just messin with you. It would be a great series. I just don’t see the Spurs outscoring the Bulls 4 of 7 times. Even with the scenarios that Dime had us create because they knew today would be hella slow in basketball related news, we are mixing and Matching Spurs players to compete with the greatest team of the 90s. There are just too many “ifs”. The Spurs big 3 would need to be healthy, which set of rules, who comes off the bench for SA, and would Wade be in attendance jawing Jordan to drop 60 on someone? Too many factors.

  • Ian

    ok fair post
    damn jordan shoulda stayed for the 99 season that way the spurs coulda had a shot at them and i wouldnt mind a rockets vs bulls series also mid 90s.

  • hakasan

    i didn’t say mj would drop 60 on wade everytime… but lets look at mj’s 60+ games…

    i’ll give you that jordan dropped 60+ on the magics when shaq was a rookie, and 60+ on the cavs, but…

    60+ against the hawks with dominique, who is, using your terms, ‘arguably’ as prolific of a scorer as any player… especially during his prime
    60+ against the bad boys pistons… one of the toughest/dirtiest defenses of all times
    60+ against the celtics in the playoffs…

    i have little doubt that with today’s rules, and little provocation from wade/lebron or the whole ‘taking talents to south beach’ ordeal, jordan is capable of dropping 60+ on wade…

    the vice versa? not so sure… since neither james nor wade has reached 60 yet…

    what about comparing all the teams the spurs beat to win the nba title against mj’s bulls… the knicks? the knicks NEVER stood a chance against jordan, nets with kidd/carter/jefferson? pistons with the wallaces? or the cavs with lebron and no one else?