NBA, Smack / Mar 4, 2011 / 7:56 am

The Magic Shock the Heat and North Carolina Lands a Monster Recruit

24-point comebacks are awesome. 24-point comebacks are great TV. But 24-point comebacks can also be disturbing because they take everything you thought you knew and turn it upside down. It appears as if someone needs to inject LeBron James with some tiger blood … Last night in Miami, the Orlando Magic snuck in and broke up a coronation of the Heat, dropping a monstrous “don’t forget about us.” After trailing by as many as 24 points in the second half, the Magic slowly cut down the deficit through a barrage of threes (16-29 on the night) and with some great defense from Quentin Richardson slowing down LeBron. Once Orlando took the lead, they held on for the final few minutes, including a final, frantic possession that saw missed threes from Chris Bosh and James (29 points) to win by three … The game was like watching a movie, and then watching it again backwards. Dwyane Wade (28 points) and James went from electric to ordinary, Gilbert Arenas went from dead to alive and the Miami role players went from deferential to commanding, taking a number of the biggest shots in the final minutes … Can we talk about the standing ovation that greeted Mike Bibby when he checked into the game in the first half? You would have thought Dan Majerle was making a comeback. Not saying Miami fans don’t know their basketball, but it appears as if the majority of them think they’re getting 2005 Mike Bibby … In the first half, Orlando could’ve brought out the entire city of Cleveland and they wouldn’t have stopped James. Wade wasn’t too bad either. The two combined to shoot 18 for 21, made every one of their free throws and had Miami playing at a championship level. They were in bulldog mode from the opening tip, posting up and abusing Jason Richardson (24 points, six threes), J.J. Redick, Mickey Mouse and everyone else that the Magic had to throw at them. Miami was all over the place, turning in a repeat performance of the last time these teams played in South Beach (a 26-point Heat win back in October). Meanwhile, Stan Van Gundy was probably losing weight with all of the screaming and fuming he was doing. Whenever you have a shot-clock violation out of a timeout, you know you are sleep-walking. There wasn’t a soul in the world who thought they were going to come back … At what point in Quentin Richardson‘s career did his only skill set officially become “Defending Superstars?” He went from only jacking threes and playing zero D to NEVER shooting and being the guy they look to for locking down guys like Melo & LeBron … Every game that Kevin Harlan does the color for always gets boosted to epic proportions. Did you check out the Charlie Sheen soundboard? They need to make one for Harlan … If there is a record for most deflections, floor burns and loose balls in one game, the Jazz and Nuggets‘ “duel of the broken hearts” definitely set it last night. The finish in Denver’s two-point win was crazy. Without their former superstar teammates, the Jazz and Nuggets have improved their energy levels, and at times last night, we felt like we were watching a high school game. “Intense” isn’t a strong enough word to describe the game. It was a mosh pit. One team would come with a jab. Then, the other would counter with a hook. On and on it went with no one creating separation. Eventually, it came down to Arron Afflalo (19 points), who hit a wing three-pointer with 11 seconds left to put the Nuggets up five. When Raja Bell‘s trey was long on the next possession, the game should’ve been over. But Devin Harris (21 points, 9 assists) hit a long three and then Kenyon Martin nearly gave Andrei Kirilenko the ball on the out-of-bounds pass. If Kirilenko had been able to control it, he had a wide-open layup to send it to overtime, but he just couldn’t hold on. It was one of the wildest finishes you will ever see … The TNT guys talked about the lack of superstars after the game: neither one of these teams has a go-to guy, and that’s why there were so many free throws, fouls and turnovers down the stretch … Amazingly, that was also Utah’s seventh straight home loss … Tweet from Blake Griffin last night: “I used to get #tigersblood at the snow cone shack as a kid… Is that not what Charlie Sheen is talkin about?” … Wisconsin and Jordan Taylor (39 points) might’ve beaten Indiana last night by 10, but they lost out on a monster recruit, who chose North Carolina over Wisconsin and a few other schools … We’re out like 24-point leads.

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  • tall order


  • http://Dimemag.com Chrisballz

    Yes. Orlando. HUUUUUGE win for them. Q rich is straight a defender machine. Killing it atm.
    Loving the nuggets energy. Playing with nothing to lose.

  • TJ 2

    the Heat are soft! they need someone on their team to start giving hard fouls and cursing at the air (for no reason) a la KG! this is ridiculous giving up wins like this AT HOME! Lebron and Wade need to start playing with some intensity! when these teams come back, lebron shuts down and gets that goofy look on his face and Wade starts turning the ball over! they need to get it together! LOL!

  • http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/you_re_a_homo_767.jpg JAY

    Congrats, tall order. Huge accomplishment. You can now call it a day.

  • Andy

    I could not believe the outcome of the game. I though Miami learned from their recent troubles. Instead of blowing out the Magic, they got crushed late…AGAIN! LeBron seems to be 0 for 200 in terms of game winners at the buzzer( or game-tying shots). I couldn’t believe this…The Heat look like a first round exit right now.

  • http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/you_re_a_homo_767.jpg JAY

    “Not saying Miami fans don’t know their basketball, but it appears as if the majority of them think their getting 2005 Mike Bibby.”
    Lol! Personally, I like Chalmers more than Bibby. Their defense won’t be as strong with Bibby playing heavy minutes. But I cheer against the Heat so I hope they continue to stick with Bibby.

    Question: Is Bibby signed for the duration of the year? Or longer? I hope he’s signed for 3 years. Lol.

  • x0t

    >Not saying Maimi fans don’t know their basketball, but it appears as if the majority of them think their getting 2005 Mike Bibby … ”

    “Maimi” is a typo but “their” is indicative of someone who doesn’t quite grasp the English language. I think we learned about contractions in fourth grade. I don’t doubt that the majority of Dime writers are there because of nepotism but at least get someone who can write.

  • First & Foremost

    Superman came out of halftime with the whole Justice League.

    Really… are we commenting on grammar? Talk basketball or go blog about drivers not using turn signals.


  • DNice

    Eh I blame the refs.

  • Stunnaboy2K11

    My God for once Dwight was, there I say, GETTING calls. It was like the refs were rooting for Orlando. That shit is hilarious! Agent 0 lives :D

    Please click JAY’s name for what the general world must think about you.

    RuPaul really isn’t trying to shake this soft image he’s accumulated, I mean shit can he only take jumpers?

  • QQ

    Damn, Bron, why do you have to ‘predictable brick’ your team again?


    That is all.

    To fools still doubting the Magic: WAKE UP.

    To fools still believing the Heat will make a deep playoff run with their ‘clutch’ players: WAKE UP.

  • First & Foremost

    @Stunnaboy – Maybe Bosh just needs a bigger mouthpiece. He must be grinding his teeth extra hard when asked to go get a rebound.

  • That’s What’s Up

    I just checked out tall order’s LinkedIn page.
    He has updated his accomplishments and put down “Posted ‘first’ on DIME Magazine Smack Article on 3/4/2011″

    The job offers should start flooding in

  • http://www.lakernation.com smoove chips

    dang,bron misses amother gametying 3 pointer. smh

  • Lee

    Again, Why isn’t Wade getting the last shot ??

  • NYK

    i was screaming at the TV saying how the magic kicked the knicks ass the other day and now then they get blown out by miami at half time.

    boy am i glad i didn’t change channels. that comeback was friggin awesome. J-Rich + Q-Rich, add a little old school hibachi. Best comeback win.

    did anyone see ESPN and the big-3 reaction in the press conference? it felt like they got beat by a team of scrubs in the first round playoffs or something.

  • SoulChorea

    That’s like 3 Charlie Sheen references in ONE post, y’all. The joke is already worn out; are people still laughing when someone says “Tiger’s Blood”? I think the joke was worn out after his 2nd TV interview.

  • http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/you_re_a_homo_767.jpg JAY

    LMAOOOO @ Stunnaboy
    Thanks for the reference, homie.
    What’s funny is xot is wrong.

    @Xot: “””their” is indicative of someone who doesn’t quite grasp the English language. I think we learned about contractions in fourth grade.”

    What contraction should have been used, smart guy? “They’re”?
    Their is a possessive term. so “their basketball” is actually the correct use. Did you fail grade 4?

  • SoulChorea

    Next thing you know, y’all wil be calling Big Baby “The Gooch” again.

  • http://dimemag.com Sean Sweeney

    Charlie Sheen jokes never get old. They are timeless

  • Xot is a homo!

    Hahaha. I noticed that right away. “Their” is the correct word to use. Xot you’re a dumbass, stay off this website if all you’re going to do is make us dumber by trying to teach us proper grammar. See how I used “you’re” there…any comments on that smart guy???

  • http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/you_re_a_homo_767.jpg JAY

    my bad xot.. i see there’s 2 “their”s in the comment so i take back the 4th grade crack.
    Regardless… Who gives a shit?

    BTW, is my use of “there’s” correct? I would want to offend those with a superiority complex.

  • First & Foremost

    Enough with the writing lessons. @Jay he was referring to the “their getting…”

    If a player gets hung on the rim, does the shotclock reset?

  • Fez

    @ Jay

    Buddy, if you are going to re-correct someones post, at least be right about it

    in that sentence he’s suppose to use they’re, as in “they are getting 2005 Mike Bibby”, and not “their” because its not their Mike Bibby

    their is possessive, in this case its not

    maybe you need to take a class on grammar

  • The Goods

    And that sound heard whimpering quietly into the night was the Miami Heat officially falling flat and becoming quickly obsolete. I almost feel bad for D Wade, he hitched his wagon to an absolute sham statistic superstar in LeBron and a fake, flopping, Chris Bosh whose big man body is a complete waste. Miami is a freaking joke, they may get bounced in the first round, for sure the second. I love watching this all blow up, slowly but surely Bron has made Miami his team and the result is just a complete disaster.

    Everyone has slept on Orlando and they are now collecting some big wins. I still think Boston gets back to the Finals by default since Miami is a joke, I cannot fully commit to Orlando, and New York though I love them is not ready yet.

    Best part about Miami is that they are still talking about “gelling” and “growing together” like its the third week in the season. Here is hoping Chicago runs them out of the damn gym Sunday.

  • Nihilist


    Perhaps this had something to do with AK losing the handle going up . . . I love how nobody is reporting this.

  • http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/you_re_a_homo_767.jpg JAY

    @Fez… continue reading buddy.

    and I agree with F&F… enough with the grammar lessons.

  • http://www.dynastybasketball.net sean.dynastybball

    Click my name if you didn’t get a chance to see AK’s gun going off to soon. Dude had it and then… he shot his load too soon

  • First & Foremost

    LOL… WOW @ Nihilist… What is the ref looking at? That has to be photoshopped. With that play K-Mart just moved up the clutch defender rankings.

  • Claw

    HHAHAHHAHAHAAH – Lebron is the King!

    Lets get all players that were good 5 years ago on the squad (or 10 years for Juwan Howard). They are solid, Bosh puts fear into the frontcourt as he dominates the paint.

    Can these guys even get out of the 2nd round? Could they beat Chitown or Orlando?

  • JBaller

    It must be a slow morning, as the majority of posts seem to concern either grammar or Charlie Sheen references.

    Perhaps tomorrow we can analyze Charlie’s grammar.

    The NBA, its (sic) fantastic!

  • shaw32

    Man where does Kenyon Martin rank as all time bad inbounders? I can think of many instances from his nuggets and even nets days where he gave games away inbounding the ball. Wcf comes to mind.

  • LakeShow84

    That Heat team???


    Those Cavs teams LOLOLOOLOLOLOL


    Didnt a player from a different team recently step up and SAY Lebron is the person u want shooting in the clutch because Wade is more dangeorus???

    I mean seriously didnt he leave Cleveland for something different???? What difference does it make if he still does all the same shit he did in Cleveland i.e massage the ball at the top of the key and make bad end game decisions???

    Bosh and Lebron launched game tying 3pt attempts?? and ur most clutch player didnt get one stab??

    Another question.. Serious question

    Does Lebron really make players around him better?????? With his passing ABILITY youd say yes.. with the superstars ive seen on all his teams id say no..

    All comedy to me regardless lol

  • LakeShow84

    @ Shaw

    Yeah i was going to say he cost them a game against us in the playoffs..

    Funniest part is hes STILL allowed to do it..

  • Brown

    Miami doesn’t look like a team that’s built to do anything in the playoffs. They’ve got two great starters on the wings, they’re old and slow at the 1 and 5 spots and have RuPaul at the 4. Their bench is awful.

    They’ve got two superstars, an overrated, overpaid, cotton-soft big man and a bunch of scrubs.

    Pat Riley is lying to himself if he thinks a team constructed in this way is a legit title contender.

    Role players should be a compliment to your stars, not just a patchwork depth chart.

  • Nihilist

    @ First & Foremost

    It is, in fact, an undoctored view of Courtney Kirkland. After witnessing quite a few of his games I am confident that any number of still frames would display his fondness of looking away from the action taking place before him. You don’t automatically become the worst ref in the NBA without some work. It takes sound strategy and execution. If you’re looking, it is difficult to make honest guesses as to what is happening.

  • QQ

    Well I can’t fault ESPN NY and Bron for creating another buzzword: ‘Predicta-brick’, which is perfect in describing any clutch moment involving the Heat’s ‘Big’ 3.

  • First & Foremost

    Honest guesses… Since i haven’t see the play live it is hard to tell. My best guess would be AK47 stole the pass, tried to gather himself for the lay up but the ball was poked out of his hands. All this happened before the ref could put his arm down. Think of it as Karma, OKC got robbed in that epic shootout last year.

  • TJ 2

    i think its funny also how wade and lebron arent real good down the stretch (bosh too i guess) and we already knew this 3 years ago, because when things got tough on team usa, who was the first person called on, KOBE! wade and bron got them through the early quarters but when winning time came, coach K was like kobe go ahead and do ur thing! so the heat need a “kobe” personality on their team! idk if any of the “big three” can do it!

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    miami needs to sign robert horry… vet’s minimum, 35sec/game… then you know who should take that shot…

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    “I mean seriously didnt he leave Cleveland for something different????”

    Yeah, he gets to live in Miami now.

    Seriously though, I think we can all agree that this Miami team, as currently constructed, absolutely needs LeBron/Wade/Bosh playing at a peak level all at once to win a title. And even then, they’re in for an uphill climb. But remember: This is their first year together. They’re all under contract for six years, right? Riley has time to figure out which combination of players work and time to work the salary cap to find the right role players. I’m just saying, if the Heat fall short this year, it’s not like the LeBron/Wade/Bosh experiment was an utter failure. Be a little patient.

  • http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/you_re_a_homo_767.jpg JAY

    Check Lebron’s tweet yesterday before last night’s game…


    Fuckin hilarious. Dude needs to quit the hype machine and just play ball. Shut the fuck up Lebron.

  • QQ

    It’s hard to be patient with a team that every one proclaims will just beast about every team in the entire planet, and the players actually acting like they already did that before the season ever started.

    And of course, it’s even harder to be patient with a team that’s gonna use every excuse possible to avoid manning up to the expectations that the players THEMSELVES had brought upon them.

  • Duncanrules

    Who here hopes for a Miami dismantle courtesy of the 50-11 Spurs tonight?

  • LakeShow84

    @ AB

    Given he gets to live in Miami i thought they got together to win MULTIPLE titles.. Nothing is certain in any of the main professional sports and the way they look theyd be lucky to get ONE title..

    Lebron and Wade are the same player but one is hyped to be bigger than the other while said underrated player is the most dangerous when u really need something to happen..

    My point??

    They wont win shit unless Lebron changes his game.. hes the only who can since hes got the size and speed and all the physical talent.. dude can guard some CENTERS if he wants..

    Wade is a PG/SG hybrid and THATS IT he cant play damn near all 5 positions like Bron..

    Bosh has NEVER been a banger.. he doesnt have the body for it so while everyone calls him soft.. HES BEEN SOFT..

    Honestly no one gets on dude because his numbers look so good but i think Bron is just into dropping stats most the time.. With his passing ability and a team with Wade as a slasher and Bosh as pick and popper where is the 15-20 assist game?? where is the game where he just boards and plays D???

    He can do all that but he STILL PLAYS THE SAME as if he were in Cleveland and he doesnt need to be lead scorer anymore..

    Like i said its funny.. but i cant blame him.. he knows if he plays to truly win he wont win MVP anymore, the media will look elsewhere and everything will start to fall domino wise lol

  • LakeShow84

    Oh but he may win a title..

    So dare i say?? its an ego issue

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    umm… miami knows what it takes to win a title with wade already… dominant big men and veterans who know their places on the team…

    hate to say it, but the last time a team won without a dominant 5 was jordan’s bulls… how bout them apples…

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    Nobody was complaining about LeBron’s style when Miami had that 21-of-22 run of wins going or whatever it was. My point is, we’ve clearly seen that this core group can be dominant — ask the Lakers and Orlando — so to say they won’t win a title is jumping the gun. And again, it’s just Year 1. Of course LeBron, Wade and Bosh were hyped to get together for the first time and had title visions in their heads; you’d be no less excited and acting like “we already won” if your favorite team had brought together three All-Stars (ask Boston fans). But they’re going to need a little bit to find that ideal roster.

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    ok fine, i’ll go with serviceable big men… even the 08 celtics had pj brown, who was 3 times all defense 2nd team and a young perkins… and i’m pretty sure everyone would agree that kg2008>bosh2011

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    but i do agree with AB that until it’s all said and done, we won’t know if this group really is that great… and if anything, they are pretty much locked for a good playoff spot… i am looking foward to competitive eastern conference playoffs this year…

  • Spangolie

    Damn, this fucktard of an editor has more excuses than the number of substances Charlie Sheen has taken in his whole lifetime.

    Man up and say that the Heat just plain aint doin what they’re supposed to do.


  • First & Foremost

    Those 3 came together to be unbeatable. We expect this team to be great and unstoppable because they have 2 guys that can take over a game at any point in time. On paper they have too many options to hurt ANY other team. To add to what Lakeshow said, their problem is that Lebron NEVER steps down.

    The gameplans are still the same vs. any Lebron team. Try to limit him to 30-5-5 and lockdown everyone else.

    This is suppose to be Wade’s team. Wade led a bunch of scrubs to the playoffs and felt he needed a better supporting cast. Not, Wade being someone’s wingman.

    Let Wade take over the team and the offense flow through him and at a MAX, they lose 7 games between now and a Parade down South Beach.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    Consider why LeBron isn’t “stepping down,” though: His first time on the court with Wade (preseason vs. Detroit), Wade gets hurt 3 minutes in, and LeBron automatically becomes the #1 guy. Next time on the court (season opener vs. Boston), Wade plays like ass and LeBron is again the #1 and almost carries Miami to a win. That set the tone right there. Plus, we don’t know what goes on in Miami’s locker room. Maybe Wade and Spoelstra and others are telling LeBron that he needs to be the #1 guy.

  • http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/you_re_a_homo_767.jpg JAY

    Agree with Lebron needs to know his role. The East is only getting stronger and with him wanting the dominate the ball so often, they’re getting too predictable offensive. If they do win a ring, they’ll have to do it on defence. Which is why I laugh at the Bibby signing. Lmao! Good luck in the playoffs with that guy playing point.

    Personally, if I were Riley, I wouldn’t bother trying to sign anybody else who can score. That team has 3 guys who can total 80+ points every single night. I’d sign as many defensive guys as I could get. Guys who will annoy the other team. They need a starting defensive/rebound oriented hustle center (Dalembert?), a lockdown pg/combo guard and that’s basically it. Bosh still looks lost because he’s still playing a role that he was forced to play in Toronto… being the key cog inside. I don’t really like Dalembert but he’s exactly what they need. His contract is up this year. Can they afford him?

  • http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/you_re_a_homo_767.jpg JAY

    “Maybe Wade and Spoelstra and others are telling LeBron that he needs to be the #1 guy.”

    Right… Lebron’s the best playmaker on the team and everyone in the locker room is asking LBJ to take over. If that’s the case Spoelstra needs to get fired and they need to hire a coach who will put Lebron in his place.

    I agree that we don’t know what is going on in the locker room but i think that’s far fetched.

  • First & Foremost

    Wade would get kicked off of Jordan Brand if he assumed position and let Lebron take his team.

  • QQ

    The thing is Bron has always been the first option his whole life, and he went to Miami to get some help, right? I mean, it’s the ‘winning a chip with the team that I know can best achieve it’ thing right?

    If that’s the case, why can’t he understand his role if he went to Miami to win a chip while being in a role within a set of stars that he never got in Cleveland? Isn’t that the most ironic thing ever?

    Wade actually saying to Bron ‘You’re no 1 now, Dawg’ ? What is this, a motivational sports movie about friendship? That made me spit my coffee.

  • LakeShow84

    @ AB

    But they still only 1-8 against the elite teams (and that ONE win was our Christmas game LOL).. and while everyone was blowing them off for their win streak a few of us actually noticed it was against weak teams..

    All im saying is a Lebron James team will always dominate and mutilate the scrubs but lose to the TEAMS that play as a team and actually have the pieces for championships..

    We’ve seen Wade win a championship with a herculean effort so we know he got it in him.. Lebron??? year whatever and his legion of fanboys are still waiting..

    And you cant say Wade getting hurt in 2 games set the tone for A WHOLE 82 GAME SEASON… Thats ridiculous.. they need to be 1A and 1B with Wade playing A and Lebron playing B and doing the dirty work hes capable of doing..

    Wade already does dirty work with his small ass its time Lebron followed suit.. he could do so much with his talent its comedy what he settles for..

  • bookkwormmaster

    First & Foremost says:

    Wade would get kicked off of Jordan Brand if he assumed position and let Lebron take his team.


    While we’re all taking about Wade, LeBron, and the rest of the Heatles, can the Orlando Magic get some love? They staged an EPIC comeback against a legit title-contending division rival on the ROAD! Orlando was getting stuffed more than Jenna Jameson during an orgy. They couldn’t hit a shot, was getting worked over on D, ugly turnovers, they just looked awful. And in spit of all that they LOOKED like they were still in the game. They didn’t look defeated or like they had given up. They manned up and took control of the game and the result was huge come from behind win and one-ups in more ways than one against a team most people consider superior to them

  • Sporty-j

    Congrats to QQ and his Magic. Its funny how everyone is talking about my Heat but nobody has even mentioned our glaring weakness from last night. I told you people that after watching Riley turn this team over to Spoelstra. The past 3 years hes been by far the worst coach in the league. That 15-67 lottery team is the best coaching he could do if he did not have any superstars. If Wade would have left we would have been in the same boat as Cleveland record wise. Lebron has been hearing that hes still got a shot to win MVP with Rose and Wade has been taking a backseat to Lebron purposely lately to try and help his buddy win his 3rd MVP trophy but it just aint working and we need to get back to playing team ball especially at the end of games. Dont know when the STAT machine is ever going to realize that only FINALS MVPs is all that matters and these are the things that bother me with Lebron!!! Man i am sick to my stomach right now because i thought we adressed our center problems with Dampier, PG with Bibby, but coaching in my opionion is the #1 thing that should have been adressed after that 9 and 8 start. Lebron needs to forget about that stupid biased MVP trophy cuz i thought he came here to win rings instead of MVP trophys. This dominating the ball at the end of ball games must stop because hes slowly turning into Kobe ball-hog 2.0 on steriods without the clutch jeans, even though i know he wants to prove his doubters wrong. He just aint ready yet and needs to relinquish that role to Wade if he really wants to win a championships with his>>>”SOLDIERS” and cares about the betterment of the team or else we are doomed in the 1st round if we fall to that #3 seed and have to face the Knicks. Spoelstra is going to be on ESPNs top 100 count down to worst coaches in Sports history at #1 someday. Hey QQ can we trade Bosh for D.Howard since hes leaving you guys in 2012 anywayz or should i say by next years trade deadline??? Hahaha that Mr.Funny guy!!!

  • Claw

    @Austin – Cmon, at the beginning of the season they are making these big entrances talking about winning multiple championships and improving his chance on a real team. The Cavs were built for a one alpha dog team with a bunch of specialists and for Lebron to lead. They made it to the Championship, I don’t see this team doing that unless they upgrade significantly at the guard and mostly interior.

    You CANNOT win without some type of inside presence and what quality player will take a huge paycut to play there? With the new CB the cap might be smaller and they will be screwed.

    I love it, 3 championships in the next 5 years. Break the 72 win record. I said before the season started this team won’t win as many games as Cleveland did the year before and now it looks like they will only get as far as that team also in the playoffs.

  • Claw

    @Sporty Jay – That’s funny. “I thought we addressed our center problems with Dampier and PG with Bibby”.

    That is some funny sh*t, LMFAO. Get Stackhouse to come back and Reggie Miller and you’ll be set! Barkely said he could almost average a double double so there you go and he’s Wade’s boy.

  • LakeShow84

    Defense wins chips and Dampier was let go for a reason (under Carlisle) and Bibby got traded and was also let go.. Look at how much a PG with D has seemingly rejuvenated the Hawks..

    Bibby would be a good player in the end game ONLY on offense and u needed a 3ball.. THATS IT..

    But seriously 2 and a 1/2 superstars tying all that money up wont neccessarily leave room for much improvement.. what they gonna beef up their 1 and 5 positions and employ a serviceable bench??????????? Not unless A LOT of people take cuts like someone else said..

    @ Sporty J

    Why u always on Spoelstra bruh??? Hes a defensive minded coach and your Heat are one of the better defensive teams in the league without their best post defender (Haslem) and no real bigs.. I think hes done a great job..

    Especially when shit went bad earlier in the season.. he couldve done/said something stupid but he stood pat like a VETERAN coach.. dudes solid just young..

  • LakeShow84

    Whats makes me laugh is the Heat have one of the best records in the league and everyone is still getting worried over there


    Because we’ve seen all this before with Lebron’s teams lol

  • Lee

    People need to remember that they can always trade Bosh for 2 good plays, like to Houston for Scolla + 1 other

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    Like I said, give it time. In one offseason, Miami re-signed Wade and picked up LeBron and Bosh. Wasn’t that impressive enough for one summer? Were they supposed to construct an entire championship team at once? How about we see what Riley does next offseason (forgetting all the lockout stuff) before declaring this Miami team a failure.

    And it’s funny how LeBron is the only guy in the League who can put up 29-6-5 and we still spend the next day talking about how he doesn’t do enough. It’s like until he averages 30-10-10 while shooting 92% from the line and 55% from three and his team goes 80-2, people will never be satisfied.

  • LakeShow84

    See AB thats the problem right there

    You reference his numbers.. Hero’s are made in the end game..

    I mean look back at that Orlando series where he avg 40,8,8.. ive never seen a player drop those kinds of numbers and the losses FELL STRAIGHT ON HIM.. in the end of all those playoff games we saw bricked FT’s, ugly rushed shots, crab dribbles, stagnated offense..

    Dude avg over 40 pts and Hedo still said he LET him shoot that game winning 3 because he thought he’d miss it..

    If Wade, Kobe or Durant are torching u for 40 a night u think u let them BREATHE in the final seconds??

    It doesnt matter what he drops it matters how he helps his team WIN when it is all on the line.. I say he needs to do more with his talent but im not talkin about droppin BETTER #’s.. honestly like i said if he played to win his #’s wouldnt look so good all the time..

    But its ALL about lookin good i guess..

    And i would be satisfied with 20,6,6 and a dominant defensive effort that led to championship and validation for all the hype the man has caused.. That would be satisfaction.. everything, and i mean EVERTYHING, in between is moot

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    @LakeShow84 — In that same Orlando series you also saw LeBron hit game-winners, clutch free throws (two with less than a second on the clock if I recall in Game 5 or Game 6), and carry his team for entire games. If you watched that series you know a lot had to do with Mike Brown getting out-coached and Cleveland’s role players not stepping up.

    Are you really convinced LeBron hasn’t done enough in end-game situations? Really think hard of all the game-winners, clutch free throws, correct passes and times you’ve seen LeBron carry his team in the 4th quarter or second half to where they didn’t NEED a game-winner to get a W. Does he produce all the time? No. And neither does Kobe or Wade or Melo or Jordan or West. When you’re always the guy who is given the ball to decide the game, you’re going to fail sometimes. But it seems that with somebody like Kobe, we forget the misses and remember the makes. With LeBron, we forget the makes and remember the misses.

    When Jordan passes to Steve Kerr or Bill Wennington and they make the big shot, we praise MJ for not being selfish. When LeBron passes to Eddie House or Donyell Marshall — whether they miss or make — people get on his case for not taking the shot himself.

  • Claw

    @AB – That is one area I think Lebron does well is hitting the guy that has the better shot. But you see him this year, he has the open shot but still passes it. Kobe will have 2 guys on him and force it, and he needs to pass the rock but Lebron doesn’t need anybody up on him and he STILL passed the rock.

    I think his self confidence has taken a hit, they have high expectations that THEY created and they are not reaching them.

    Lets see how they bounce back tonight, as the Spurs aren’t that big inside but I think TP tourches them.

  • Sporty-j

    Lakeshow you are not listening bruh!!! Go rewatch the tape from the begining of the 2nd half when they tryed to get Bosh going. Wade and Lebron stayed on the 3point line watching before we built that lead to 24. Bosh made 3 out of the 4 shots to start the 2nd half but what disturbed me is that he stopped what was working just to get another 1 of his 3 egomaniac players going??? Break it down possesion after possesion, shot after shot and you will see Wade and Lebron hanging on the 3 point line watching each other go 1 on 1 to try and stop the bleeding. I just got to keep it real and have been watching this coach make excuse after excuse and make players like Beasley and etc look bad and never develope under him. Trust me on this 1 fam!!! Unless Doc Rivers comes back home to Florida with his fam which he has been saying he wants to do or if we hire someone like Jerry Sloan, Phil Jackson, or Coach K. I dont see it Lakeshow and have to be honest. We need a coach whos not afraid to stand up to Lebron make Wade practice as long as he feels like it. I never heard Magic Johnson or Ewing cry about having to be coached by Riley the way Wade has. Wade and Lebron wont run over those coaches i just named and to be honest i feel bad for SPO cuz i hate to see anyone lose there job but he allows it so i cant feel to bad…

  • Stunnaboy2k11

    Thank you AB for talking some sense

    It’s fashionable to hate LeBron, shiiiiit the guy took Cleveland to back to back 60 win seasons with THE WORST supporting cast a superstar can have and people talk shit

    Bron averaged 40-8-8 CARRIED his team against Orlando, and I mean carried, hit the gamewinning 3 and the clutch FTs and people STILL blame it on him.

    We’ve seen everyone from Kobe to Melo miss gamewinners. It’s all in the game

    If you wanna rip someone PLEASE rip on RuPaul

    I expected more from you man wasn’t it 2 years ago people were talking shot bout how Kobe couldn’t win one without Shaq? Now we add Gasol and he’s the GOAT ;)

  • Stunnaboy2k11

    Damn y’all don’t gone make me write a Pro-LeBron argument, but hey dudes on my Fantasy Team!!

  • LakeShow84

    @ AB

    Dont over do it my man..

    He hit ONE game winner (33.333% of his CAREERS buzzer beaters at that)

    And hit his FT’s in ONE GAME.. And i even want to say he bricked 1of2 the pair before that.. seriously tho ive seen dude miss A LOT of FT’s with under a minute left.. a SERIOUS amount.. im not saying he’ll clang them both but its usually 1of2..

    It was a 6 game series and they won 2 so lets be nice and say he did OH SO GREAT in those 2 wins..

    those 4 losses were FUGLY.. with all the points i mentioned above..

    And what im REALLY saying is Lebron doesnt need the ball in his hands at the end of games when he has Wade there.. The HEAT dont need the ball in Lebrons hands in the end of the game when they got Wade there.. he dont need to do SHIT but feed Wade the rock and watch the show in the end of a game..

    Quit trying and wasting everyones time and energy.. Give the ball to the PROVEN closer.. Wade closed out FINALS games with FT’s.. ive watched Lebron brick FT’s in a nationally televised game in JANUARY.. GTFOH

  • LakeShow84


    This arguement is about CLOSING the game out Stunnaboy.. we dont need to bring up Kobe in this one.. a closing arguement with Lebron and Kobe?? PSH

    lol anyhoo

    Like i said ive never seen a player drop 40,8,8 and look so predictable at the end of EVERY SINGLE GAME..

    Here i cut it for u lmao

    “bricked FT’s, ugly rushed shots, crab dribbles, stagnated offense..”

    and someone please tell me that shit never happened and im hating in that Orlando series.. PLEASE

    What because Lebron dropped those numbers he shouldve been on the bench with under 2 minutes left because he already did his part so its up to his teammates to finish the MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE GAME?????

    Nah HE SHOULD FINISH IT RUTHLESSLY.. and he didnt..

    “bricked FT’s, ugly rushed shots, crab dribbles, stagnated offense..”

    That all im saying.. Let Wade close the game.. hes done it.. hes proven and Lebron isnt a proven closer to me.. 2-3 buzzer beaters over 7-8 years with the ball ALWAYS in your hands speaks for itself..

  • LakeShow84

    Oh and he wouldnt have needed that game winning 3 had he hit his FT’s before that..

    I just remembered that LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

  • LakeShow84

    Ima become a fuckin TWolves fan so people can stop acting like im constantly thinkin of Kobe when i dish on Lebron lol

  • Stunnaboy2K11

    Aight bro, I didn’t look through all those 70 comments to get he back story, all I thought this was as argument about whether LeBron aint as good as people think he is.

    As much as I hate the man, Kobe is on a different level closing out games. Even with it is with that ugly ass fadeaway. Wade? Ever since I saw him in ’06 no doubt the mofo is clutch. Let Bron run show for the first 45 minutes and let Flash run show for the last 3. what other team can say they can do that?

    Tell you what, I’ma join the T-Wolves movement so guys can stop throwing shit around when I praise Rondo ;)

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    My point is that Wade is not the only “proven closer” on that team. LeBron is proven too, but for some reason people want to focus more on his game-ending misses than his makes. (Closing is about more than just hitting buzzer-beaters, by the way. Sometimes the biggest shot in a game is hit with 3 minutes on the clock.) Anyway, I’ll say this much: Where has Wade been doing all this amazing closing of games? If I recall, Wade hasn’t been past the first round of the playoffs since 2006. LeBron has been in ECF’s, conference semis, Finals…

  • mo.B.bad

    LeBron should just give Hakeem a call and work on his post-game. Bosh ain’t a banger, Wade can put in work but why have him do that when you can have the beast that is LeBron on the block?

    if LeBron develops a post-game then all of a sudden the Heat have a half-court offense – Wade with the ball, LeBron on the block, Bosh runnin’ around tryin’ to hit his J. and that TRANSFORMS them as a team, offensively.

    also, it was interesting to me that during the start of that great run Spoelstra started to alternate Wade and LeBron in the rotation, so apart from the start and end of halves, they generally weren’t on the court together. and that worked better than their current tactics, frankly, coz it allowed each to play their natural game with an entire supporting cast who knew what they were doing.

    of course, LeBron isn’t gonna develop his post-game. which would be fine if he had gone ANYWHERE BUT THE HEAT. coz then he’d be the alpha dog but have complimentary pieces around him (Wade is not a complimentary piece, except on the fast-break).

    imagine him in NY with Amar’e? it’d be MURDEROUS.