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Smack / Apr 8, 2011 / 1:38 am

Derrick Rose Destroys the Celtics, Bulls Own the East

Derrick Rose
You know how when people are discussing NBA prospects like Jimemr Fredette and everyone – doesn’t matter if it’s an NBA TV talking head or your boy – always hits you with the “Who’s he gonna guard in the NBA?” question? The answer, invariably, is almost always, ” No one.” And that’s because good offensive NBA players cannot be stopped. By anyone. NBA players are the best athletes in the world – no one man can stop an offensively-skilled pro from putting the ball in the bucket. That fact was on full display for all to see last night in the Bulls/Celtics game as Derrick Rose squared off with Rajon Rondo. If you asked 10 NBA scouts to name the best defensive guard in the league, there’s a very good chance they would all go with Rondo, which means he’s arguably the best defensive guard in the world. And Rose lit him up, going for 30 points (on 9-16 shooting!) and eight assists in a 97-81 Bulls victory … During his in-game interview Doc Rivers said that their defensive game plan was to keep Rose out of the lane, but that didn’t even come close to happening. Rose lived in the lane all night, making Rondo look like a traffic cone and basically toying with the Celtics’ defense. One of the reasons Rose shot at such a high clip for the game was because the vast majority of his 16 shots were around the rim. It didn’t matter if Celtics bigs were waiting for him in the lane, he pretty much did whatever he wanted to do. He was incredible, hitting acrobatic layups, bank-shots high off glass, and floaters over Kevin Garnett. On one play at the end of the first quarter, Rose crossed up Rondo at the top of the key, drove the lane, took off, double-pumped in mid-air, went through two defenders and flipped in a spinning scoop shot. Later, on a fast break, Rose blew through a backpedaling defense and went right through a waiting KG for an easy layup like Garnett wasn’t even there … So what can we take from this Bulls’ manhandling of the Celtics? Well, for starters, Chicago looked younger, faster, stronger, hungrier. They dominated Boston in the paint, 44-22, and beat them on the boards 43-35. And above all, they out-defensed a team that is known for doing the same thing to their opponents on a regular basis … Chicago now has a four-game lead on the rest of the pack for the No. 1 seed in the East, all but wrapping it up as we head into the playoffs. Boston would have to win out and the Bulls would have to fall apart for the Celtics to steal the top spot. The Chicago win also mathematically eliminates the Miami Heat from landing that No. 1 seed … In the only other game of the night, the Portland Trail Blazers cruised past the Jazz, 98-87, in what was a pretty ho-hum run. Gerald Wallace was a beast, going for 29 and eight boards, hitting four of his six threes … In the third quarter, Wes Matthews knocked down a three from the top of the key and ran down the court giving Three Goggles. Reggie Miller called them “this ridiculous thing everyone does now after making a three.” Cool. Because Reggie never did anything stupid after knocking down shots when he played … We had an official Derrick Favors sighting in the first half. He found himself with the ball in the paint off a missed shot, turned and unleashed hell on the rim with a one-handed smash … Word came down last night that Quentin Richardson has been suspended for two games for his two-hand shove to Gerald Henderson‘s face on Wednesday night. We still find Q’s journey kind of funny – he started off as an athletic offensive weapon for the Clippers. Then he became a deadly spot-up shooter. Then he turned into a spotty spot-up shooter. And now he’s a defensive specialist for the Magic (See: Q’s work on Paul Pierce and LeBron James), and sometimes goon … That Bobcats game was expensive for the Magic. Aside from Q’s situation, Dwight Howard picked up his 18th technical of the season in the game and it was announced yesterday that NBA is going to uphold the call. That means he’s going to be suspended for Sunday’s National TV game against the Bulls. Nobody – the Magic, the NBA, ABC – is happy about no Dwight for the game … We’re out like Reggie criticizing basketball theatrics.

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  • yoda

    “NBA players are the best athletes in the world”. you are aware that veal still plays in nba? :)

  • Bill

    Playoffs are where it matters.. Whatever happens now is irrelevant, just like the Celtics showed last year they’ll do it again this year.

  • rickdaruler

    Extra early smack. Rose did his thing 2nite but something seemed off about rondo (probably lingering effects of his injury) but he was nowhere a disruptive as he normally is. Not that I’m complaining because I dispise the celtics but still

  • green machine

    Every point guard looks bad when guarding Rose. quit giving these guys excuses, they said the same thing when he outplayed nash, dwill, cp3 etc.. The kid is a beast and the MVP of the league. He busted Rondo’s tail and thats the plain truth, end of story. Now my celts have to regroup and beat out miami for the second seed

  • green machine

    @bill I saw every game the celts played last year and this is a completely different team chemistry wise. Our bench is softer than a babies bottom and this bulls team is not intimidaated by them. they force Ray Allen off of the three point line and make him a driver. Thibs knows their offense and defense like the back of his hand, and you could see frustration on the celts faces when the bulls were one step ahead on their offensive sets.

  • rickdaruler

    If that was directed @ me I wasn’t giving rondo an excuse. I was just saying defensively he wasn’t as disruptive as he normally was he disn’t seem all that quick on that side of the ball

  • http://www.forumblueandgold.com smoove chips

    Memo from Derrick Rose to the rest of the Eastern Conference:
    It’s gonna be a dogfight till the fat lady sings.And your defence ain’t gonna stop me.

    Crash put in some major work !The western conference finals are gonna be bananas from top to bottom.

  • !!!

    @RONDO LOL he sucks

  • pipdaddyy

    Why don’t more teams try with bigger defenders against Rose? I know he is quick, but at 6’3″ he usually laughs at other PGs, while I’ve seen some bigger 2-guards giving him trouble. If he is quicker you can have help defenders, but if he is quicker-taller-stronger, than its hopeless.

  • McSimon

    What? Spolestra once made Lebron guard him, and he was helpless just like anyone else. Rose is force of nature and nobody can’t stop him

  • K Dizzle

    @ greenmachine (post #5)
    Great post! Dudes underestimate how much Thibs got on the Celts. He will match Doc on every play if they meet in the playoffs.

    I wanna take a moment to tell EVERY Bulls “fan” who wanted to give up Deng AND Noah for Melo to take a moment…..raise your right hand…..and smack the shit outta yo’self…..That is all

  • 808

    I ALSO thought that the Celtics were kinda “biding their time” until the Playoffs…One of those elite teams who could just hit a switch in the playoffs. But after watching this game…I don’t know…

    These teams don’t look ANYTHING like they did the last two years. D-Rose looks better the CHI D looks better…and the Celtics look straight up OLD.

    Rondo may have been “off”, but with the entire Chicago team playing D like they did, will it really matter???

  • common sense

    kendrick perkins for jeff green, oh dear ainge. green falls into the beasely and antwan jamison category of not a 3 or 4, their like 3.5s so their effectively useless on a serious team. also, its been said before but rondo needs to take some shots, miss or not, the guy is like the cowardly lion, hes actually scared to miss…

    celts have no chance to beat bulls, thib is COY and lebron should be MVP, the stats dont lie, the guy is a trip doub machine and peeps act like he should be doin more. he aint a closer but dont discount the work he puts in, talk about under appreciated. hes gonna be like mj, he should win MVP every year but it gets repetitve so it goes to someone else on occasions.

  • jerkishbehavior.com

    DRose MVP them song “what more can I say” jayz if u don’t believe DRose is the MVP after last nights performance ur just a plain ol hater, point blank period

    @common sense obviously u don’t have it if u think Lebron is MVP, MVP is more than just #’s plus bron said it himself that DRose is the MVP

  • JAY

    Cosign K Dizzle #10
    I think we were 2 of the 3 people here who were calling that potential traded stupid on Chicago’s behalf. You just don’t give up chemistry for a player like Melo, especially with a pg like D-Rose. Can you imagine if they made that trade? There’s NO WAY D-Rose is even in the MVP race if dude played with Melo.

    There’s no I in TEAM but there’s “me” in Melo. Dude is too greedy.

    As K Dizzle said, slap yourselves please.

  • Josh Tha roc

    @dizzle
    Hahahaha classic.
    Funny cos it’s true.

  • egypt

    The 2010/11 Bulls: great regular season… enjoy your early summer

  • JAY

    Rondo didn’t look “off”. He looked shook.

    @ common sense.
    Change your name bud. James should be MVP? Are you serious? The Heat is underacheiving. You can argue that it’s their first year together but the fact is, they were predicted to dominate. Chicago is exceeding even their most optimistic supporter. D-Rose is the MVP.

    “common sense”?? I beg to differ.

  • rickdaruler

    I can think of one Bulls fan(and avid smack reader/poster) who said give up the farm for Melo they’ll remain nameless for the time being.

  • 92021SpurMD

    Exactly JAY, and to further go in on “common sense”, I wouldn’t just stamp COY for Thibs either, there’s a guy in SA who bit the bullet and decided to let his team go with a different style, and they’ve flurished off of it.

  • 92021SpurMD

    And please someone make people understand that MVP means Most VALUABLE Player!!! Take Rose and LeBron off their teams, and what does their missing VALUE do to that team? The Heat still make the playoffs, the bulls, not so much. D-Rose is the obvious choice, stop going off stats, it’s not the MOP, it’s MVP!!

  • neoy

    D Rose is MVP, there is nothing left for discussion, Lebrons stats are superior but hes not even the go to scorere down the stretch on his team, how can he possibly be MVP???

  • money

    got some reggie miller haters at dime

  • JAY

    Could common sense be AB in disguise? Lol

  • NTstateOFmind

    unbelievable. what can Rose do for some people to admit hes a superior talent in this league without also mentioning excuses regarding the injuries, stats, and teammates his opponents have

    give the man his due, DAMN.

  • jdizzle

    Someone should ask Reggie whats the difference between the Three Goggles and Putting The Guns Back in The Holster.

    Surprisingly not much hate towards Rose, but then again its only 9 am(central time)

  • The Goods

    Rose is the MVP and the Celtics are done. I understand the financial reasons behind trading Perk, but it has shattered their team swag, most notably Rondo. I think without question we are looking at a Chicago Vs. LA/OKC/SA matchup in the finals. Those are the only four teams right now I can see making it all the way.

    This whole suspension/technical foul mess with Dwight is causing a huge distraction with Orlando and so far Gil has not been that No. 2 option they have so desperately needed (although his kicks have been nice all year). Orlando cannot get out of their own way at this point.

    As for the Heat…what a mess, they get crammed at home by a hapless Bucks team that is dealing with their own problems in Brandon Jennings right now. LeBron cares more about this branding deal with Liverpool and oh by the way his madre is out until dawn getting sauced up and slapping down car valets…wtf?! Is there any doubt after all this that she was creeping with D West??? What a circus.

    D Wade has to sit around right now with his head in his hands asking what have I done?! – Big ups to the Bulls see you in June, as for the Show, lets finish strong and go get #3.

  • First & Foremost

    All year I’ve felt Dwight Howard should win the MVP because he is the player that affects his team the most on both ends of the floor. I have also said Derrick Rose will win the award but that comes from the ambigious criteria used to hand it out. He isn’t the leader I’d like him to be on defense yet, but the argument can & has been made that his offensive brilliance trumps his defensive mediocrity.

    Congrats Mr. Rose and better luck next year Mr. Howard.

  • Josh

    I thought MMA fighters were the best athletes in the world… But regarding the Dwight Howard tech: if the NBA had overturned that call, then the secret that NBA is rigged would be made more public….

  • First & Foremost

    WTF – how does his mom have to do with anything the Heat are doing? Are we going to go on Maximus’ finger paintings too?

    Howards tech’s reset in the playoffs. He’ll have to get to 7 [which unfortunately is still doable] before he sits out another game.

    So what if he chooses to join in on a once in a lifetime sports deal. Maybe if Yao didn’t own a basketball team he wouldn’t be hurt so much, right? Not like it is a secret Lebron is the biggest self promoter not named Deon. If Lebron wanted a ring he would just buy Darko’s but he is content on living his life the way he wants to and he wants to be a global icon. So why not be involved with the biggest sport in the world?

  • jzsmoove

    So what can we take from this Bulls’ manhandling of the Celtics?…it means that Danny Fucken Ainge is a tard.
    Perkins for jeff Green really?

  • ILL_Will

    @ K Dizzle

    I was born and raised in the Chi and there was NOBODY in this city who hated Deng more than me last year!! I wanted Melo to come to the Chi badly. Clearly, he belongs with the Knicks, because even if they get D Will or CP3 Melo will NEVER lead the Knicks to a championship. He’ll lookback and realize he should have stayed in Denver.

    Anyway, I have taken both hands and in machine gun fashion began slapping the living SH*T out of myself repeatedly! LOL I, if anybody else in the city deserved that. Now, I’m all about the Sudanese sunami! LOL

  • MattO

    Dime – whatever you did to your RSS feed, it’s working now, so don’t change anything!!!

  • Reno Hightower

    3 goggles….get yourself a pair..

  • JAY

    LMAOOOOO @ ILL_Will!!!!!

    “I have taken both hands and in machine gun fashion began slapping the living SH*T out of myself repeatedly! LOL I, if anybody else in the city deserved that. Now, I’m all about the Sudanese sunami! LOL”

    Phukkin hilarious!!

    Now all we need is Chicagorilla to do the 3 Stooges 2-finger-poke-in-the-eye to himself (without the one-handed block), then we can move on.

  • Sporty-j

    Its like Chicago knew every play that Boston was going to run they even ran it. Thibs might have shown my Heat how to beat the Celtics since i think that Ray Allen is there most deadliest weapon. Run his a$$ off that 3 point line and make him a driver. Thanks Thibbs but i still dont see anybody beating the Celtics when Shaq comes back. They still were the most dominant team in the league when Shaq was healthy and Perks was out. I still dont see them missing Perks at all once the playoffs start.

  • LakeShow84

    Wow

    F#$k MVP

    DRose is all of a sudden the best PG in the league hands down??

    What a spectacular change of events lol he wasnt even IN THE DISCUSSION last year and now the kid is BEASTING top 5 defenses effortlessly..

    Wow thats all i can say.. and thats the one team that makes me nervous because we cant do shit against a PG with that kind of dynamic..

    If it is Lakers/Bulls Bynum will have to earn his money as the man waiting for Rose when he takes to the rim.. which means he will have to be healthy cuz with Rose hes going to need all the timing he can get..

    And if Rose can keep his play up as he has ALL YEAR (and i think he will) the Bulls are making it out of the East..

  • Sporty-j

    (Before)

  • Sporty-j

    Top 5 defense. How can you still call the Celtics a top 5 defense when Shaq is out and Perkins is gone. Once Shaq comes back they will be a top 5 defense again but until than. They are average…

  • LakeShow84

    Ummmmmm last time i check they were top 5 in defense.. and Shaq been injured for AWHILE now bruh..

    And it aint like Shaq makes them a better defensive team with his “spry” legs lmao

    Oh Sporty.. you kill me..

  • Sporty-j

    The league needs to hurry up and develpoe an offensive MVP award. Wade, Kobe, Bron, Howard, and Gasol would probably finish top 5 in the voting every year if the award was based on what it should be. Rose is the MVP this year but things need to change and they need to define the meaning of the award. MVP is suppose to be the best player in the L offensively and Defensively. Basketball is not like football where certain players only play offense or defense. Its time to start giving the award to who dominates on both ends of the floor and hopefully during the lockout they will discuss this and make changes to the meaning of the award and how it is award…

  • JAY

    @sporty
    “Thibs might have shown my Heat how to beat the Celtics since i think that Ray Allen is there most deadliest weapon. Run his a$$ off that 3 point line and make him a driver. ”
    People have been trying to do that since he joined the league. Lol. The difference between the Bulls and “your” Heat is 1) chemistry, and 2) the Heat have just 3 players who can play and contribute… the Bulls guys all contribute.

    “I still dont see them missing Perks at all once the playoffs start.”
    Perkins is a much better defender than Shaq is. He’s more athletic and can play for long stretches without declining in performance. They WILL miss Perkins in the playoffs because, FYI, they already miss Perkins.

  • Sporty-j

    Hes a space eater compared to Perkins who was a great low post defender. Do you not see they are a diff team with neither Shaq or Perkins. I dont care about there ranking. Anybody can attack the basket against them until Shaq comes back. F%$k stats and rankings and just watch the game…

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9RJbLV98fI Showtime

    @Sporty

    I don’t think there’s another poster here on dime where I disagree on almost all statements.

    Shaq better than Perkins?

    Shaq is too slow to make the proper rotations, Shaq can’t show on pick and rolls, is a worse help + position + low post defender.

    Have I mentioned that Shaq never was that interested in defense to begin with? There’s a reason guys like Mutombo, Mourning, heck even bums like Shawn Bradley or DJ Mbenga got dunked on so frequently … they challenged shots. Shaq only went for the weak stuff like hook shots

  • First & Foremost

    @SportY-J EXACTLY!!! However, people just associate the scoring title with OPY.

  • LakeShow84

    Shaq isnt fast enough anymore to offer solid help defense when Rose penetrates..

    He’ll be there, say, less than half the time but if Rose can go around KG’s help D and find a window i dont see him having trouble getting past Shaq’s help D.. sure Shaq may knock him on his ass but how long you think that will hold up?? Rose is a competitor so i dont see him switching his game plan after takin a bump..

    Even Perkins wouldnt have made THAT much of a difference for the problem that is becoming Derrick Rose..

    You could call last night his coming out party..

    The patience that kid is showing in attacking is scary.. hes starting to control the game with his speed.. he was a maestro yesterday.. And honestly i cant think of a speedster controlling the game IN HALF COURT sets.. hes burning 1on1’s and beating help from the top of the key..

    Wow is all i can say..

    And Miami cant guard ANY of the top 5 PG’s so good luck with that Sporty.. Kid is #1 PG by a MILE at this point.. ok CP3 been ballin too but damn..

  • LakeShow84

    LMAO @ Showtime..

    i like him.. he cracks me up

  • Sporty-j

    I never said Shaq is better. Do you guys read carefully befroe you post showtime? As long as Boston has that big in the middle to cover Garnett. Im not beliveing the Celtics are still not the best team in the east unless i see Shaq is out for the post season…

  • http://www.MVPresidesinChitown.com Chicagorilla

    so instead of cats admitting their extreme lack of basketball knowledge is what led them to disrespecting the ish outta Rose and giving waaaay too much props to guys like Rondo, Noah, Deng, and Perkins, they hide it by calling out Melo supporters, Danny Ainge, and im guessing me lol. Amazing. U guys should just learn to admit when you are wrong.

    I will address one thing though, Celtic fans who are crying over SPOILED milk, a.k.a. Perkins trade, you won’t be saying that ish in 2yrs when Green is your best player.
    A guy who effectively plays the 3,4,and 5 (Green) vs a undersized 5 who’s lack of talent and skill were easily disguised by KG and the Celts defense (Perkins)???? Thats insane. That would be the equilvalant to Bulls fans crying back in 96′ that the Jerry’s were stupid for trading my man Ill Will Perdue for Dennis Rodman.
    Clearly there could be chemistry issues, but in the end it will be for the better.

    As for the Deng/Noah/Melo trade…you guys again are only thinking about this year, i could care less about this year. This is the Lakers year no matter who is in the east because DStern says so. No way Stern doest want Kobe and Phil to get the 2nd 3peat. Last years fixed finals proved that lol.
    So hell flucking yes id take Melo over Deng and Noah. One year of losing in the 2nd round to Orl & Rose getting Mvp does not trump dominating the league for the next 5 yrs.

    Just because Melo is in NY and everyone is hating on him (instead of the shitty coach) doesnt depreciate his value. Just like with Rose and Love, you will be eating crow next year.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    @JAY — “The Heat is underacheiving. You can argue that it’s their first year together but the fact is, they were predicted to dominate.”

    How is 54 wins and a legit shot at a championship in their first year together underachieving? (And if you don’t think Miami is a legit threat, ask the Lakers.) Just because the media/fans/Heat players predicted immediate dominance doesn’t mean any of them made smart predictions.

    Again, history shows us that Miami wasn’t SUPPOSED to dominate this year. In Scottie Pippen’s first All-Star season (’89-90), the Bulls won 55 games, finished 3rd in the East and lost in the ECF. The next year they won a championship. That 1990 Bulls team had more cohesion than this Heat team, because Chicago didn’t have an entirely new roster and Pippen/MJ were in their 3rd year as teammates. So what were you really expecting from Miami? Bosh is an upgrade from Horace Grant, but at the same time, Phil Jackson was an upgrade from Erik Spoelstra.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9RJbLV98fI Showtime

    @ Sporty

    At this stage all Shaq does is take up space. That’s nice but at the same time he hurts your defense. He’s not quick enough to make the help rotations. He isn’t mobile enough to show on pick and rolls. If Miami runs some kind of pick and roll with Wade/Lebron and Big Z it’ll get ugly because Shaq doesn’t help on the drive and can’t close out to Big Z who can easily bury the 18-20 footer.

    They lost their defensive anchor in Perkins and Shaq doesn’t help them at all. You should be happy. I said it the day the trade happened. The only team Miami had no chance against took a major step backwards

  • LakeShow84

    “Last years fixed finals proved that lol.”

    I hope u just meant the league stretching it to 7 games lol we had that in the bag..

    Until Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett “all of a sudden” drank from the fountain of youth and was able to guard Kobe and Gasol..

    Shouldve been over in 5.. maybe 6.. Game 2 was a joke.. cant remember the last time Kobe got into FOUL TROUBLE IN THE PLAYOFFS..

  • LakeShow84

    LMAO @ AB

    like i said.. the defining wins of the Heats season will be the 2 games they won from us.. I love how u reference it..

    BRUH THEY ARE 0-6, COUNT THAT, ZERO OUT OF SIX against the other teams in their division.. i dont think they have a LEGIT chance lmao

    (just ask the Lakers) lmao

  • daprophet0605@yahoo.com

    Let me just throw my two cents in quickly, Deng has been playing great this year but this is his ceiling. He isn’t always aggressive enough and the Bulls are too dependant on Rose to create the offense. They need a two guard someone in the Rip Hamilton, Aaron Aaflalo mold. Having said that I would still trade Noah and Deng for Melo RIGHT NOW!!! My concern for my city is that the current Bulls have peaked too early….

    When the playoffs begin, the defense from the true contenders will tighten up and although Rose will still attack the basket it won’t be as easy.

  • LakeShow84

    The Heat arent even the kind of team to make it far in the playoffs..

    Maybe because its the east and the bottom feeders are ugly but any team that relies on the fast break to win isnt going to win much in the playoffs..

    and ALL of the big 3 have to go off for 20+ points EVERY game?? there is no big back there with solid help D or even a threat of offense and or both???

    There is no PG who can stop or at least SOMEWHAT neutralize the PGs who are running amok in the East?? shit and Jameer Nelson isnt even mentioned in that breath..

    They aint legit.. all flash.. no substance..

  • LakeShow84

    Playoffs next weekend tho..

    I popped a boner when i heard that yesterday..

  • Claw

    @Sporty – Its almost TOO easy, Shaq was actually playing well and injury free in Phoenix and he SUCKED on the pick and roll, was terrible, teams were killing the Suns and just P&R them anytime Shaq was on the court. Now he’s injured every time he steps on the court? Boston is done, Perkins knows his role, play D and get boards, and he has upped the Thunder’s chance to take out the Lakers.

    Jeff Green the best player? Maybe if he played in CLeveland and I’d still take Hickson over him. That’s just ridiculous.

    @Common Sense – get some common sense, so Legina should get the MVP for what? Their team playing below expectations? What a joke!

    Bynum is getting scary, you know what that means Lakeshow, you know its coming! DNPs are around the corner!

  • Claw

    @AB – I gotta agree with you, the Heat will win, with the signing of Eddie Curry that will put them over the top….HAHAHHAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    Maybe in a Krispy Kreme Doughnut eating contest!

    Can they pick up another player WAY past his prime?

  • http://www.MVPresidesinChitown.com Chicagorilla

    shaq vs the pick n roll.

    please stop showing your ignorance ppl. Shaq may not be quick on the pick n roll but you telling me fellow fat ass Perkins is??? Gtfoh!
    And think about this for a second, who will Shaq be guarding??? Noah if Doc is smart. Why would Chicago go out of their way to run an ineffective pick n roll with Noah instead of using Boozer (being guarded by KG) who is brilliant off the pick n roll?
    FYI DRose doesnt need the pick for his offense, that only helps his teammates. Rose can get past most guards just using his handle and speed, the pick is set to open up his teammates when the defende breaks down.

    And correct me if im wrong but isnt Shaq shooting 67% FG? lmfao@ the thought that Perk is better than him. Even the old, fat, outta shape Shaq kills Perkins. Get yo mind right people.

    The win last night was nice but i have a feeling Doc aint showing his hand until the playoffs. The Celts may not want to face Thibs because he knows them, but Doc is a genius in knowing that we have no shot vs ORL in the 2nd round. Dwight will murder us and if any of the 36 shooters on ORL starts hitting jumpers then CHI is done.

  • Claw

    Seriously Chico were you in a Hot Tub Time Machine and watching Shaq from 10 years ago or are you living in the present watching him (if you can since he hasn’t played but a few games).

    Why would you run an “ineffective P&R” so maybe Rose gets wide open jumpers with Noah picking Rondo and Shaq still staying in the paint. Maybe that’s why, possibly.

    I do like Shaq againt DHow because Shaq is still an immovable force but he is an extreme liability on the Defensive end because he’s immovable.

  • Stunnaboy2K11

    Wow, I am amazed. I knew that Rose was good, but goddamn he tore my C’s up. His speed is amazing and even Rondo couldn’t even remotely keep up with him. Just sad and embarrassing to watch.

    As for Shaq? Come on now he’s 38. He played like 25 minutes at most. I think people are overstating is impact. My C’s are just not in it. No need for excuses just hope during the playoffs things get turned on in time.

    As for Melo? I still kind of think they should have done it but only if they get Melo to play defence. However Melo probably would stunt Rose’s growth. But they are gonna need Noah if they wanna matchup with the Lakers.

  • LakeShow84

    Im with Chi on that one (only one all week)

    Doc isnt going to show his hand yet.. he knows who hes going to meet in the ECF.. and no the Heat are not in that equation lol

    And for the record Perkins shows WAY HARDER on the pick than Shaq does.. shit Shaq dont even come out past the FT line.. at least Perkins bumps the ball handler and recovers in time.. Shaq dont even ATTEMPT this lol

  • JAY

    “Rose is the MVP this year but things need to change and they need to define the meaning of the award. MVP is suppose to be the best player in the L offensively and Defensively.”
    Really? Sporty… get outta here bro. Rose defines what the MVP award means. Take dude off that team and they are crap. That’s what wrong, people like sporty think it should go to the best individual player. If the league made an MOP (O for outstanding) in addition to the MVP, then the best individual player can get an award. For now, Rose is the definition of Most Valuable.

    If you ever wonder why everyone here jumps on all your posts…. it’s because there’s so many things wrong with them. LOL

    “hopefully during the lockout they will discuss this and make changes to the meaning of the award”
    I doubt revamping the awards is on their checklist of things to do during the bargaining.

  • Claw

    I do have to correct myself as Shaq has played 37 games, way more than I thought.

    Here are the problems with stats, Shaq is shooting 67% but wanna guess his FG% the last two months (Feb & March)?

    33%, shooting 1 of 3! 1 of 3 the last two months! Yeah Perkins has nothing on that.

    GTFOH!

  • Stunnaboy2K11

    Also CP is hurt and I’m getting worried whether it is a permanent thing. When Chris Paul is healthy he absolutely shits on every other PG, yet for the past year he’s been limping. Just hope after one more off-season he gets right cuz if not

    well I gotta concede best PG to Rose haha

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    @LakeShow84 — I expected Miami would struggle with Boston this year; the Celtics have better chemistry, more experience together, they can exploit Miami’s weaknesses, and they’re just that good. Chicago? Didn’t really see that sweep coming, but Rose is playing out of his mind and the three wins were by a combined 8 points. So it’s not like Miami has been dominated by the best in the East. They’ve played right with them. Miami also has wins over Orlando, LA, San Antonio, OKC, Denver and Atlanta.

  • Claw

    @JAY – You know what lets put the CBA on the backburner, what I think we are all here today to discuss is the MVP award.

    HAHAHAH This has been a hilarious day, just need Austin to talk about how Lebron’s mom didn’t do anything wrong and is a great mom the media is portraying her as crazy. That it makes sense that Lebron got the RedSox to market his “brand”, great move! Bring it Austin, I had a crappy night with one of the kids sick I need some comedy today.

  • LakeShow84

    @ AB

    I think this Chicago team is playing with WAY MORE confidence now.. Those were close game tho so i cant say they were dominated but this Chicago team has actually gotten BETTER and is still getting BETTER..

    Add in that swag that comes with the confidence of dominating their conference and i dont see them losing to Miami..

    They are gelling right now while Wade is going to play through a leg injury and Miami is faltering.. doesnt look good.. Miami needs all 3 to be FULLY HEALTHY and playing lights out..

  • Claw

    @Austin – Cleveland has wins over Miami, LA, NY, and BOSTON! Yes, I said it, the Cavs are better than the Heat!! You know what’s funny is the Cavs have TWO PGs better than the Heat’s starting PG!

  • That’s What’s Up

    fuck cp3
    he probably keeps hurting himself when he’s pushing off defenders and dribbling over his head

  • LakeShow84

    Lebron James mom used to be crack head if im not mistaken..

    I think they coudlve caught her doin worst.. sucks dude gotta have his FAMILIES personal life out there like that.. Media sucks ass nowadays..

    Funny as hell she slapped dude and hit the deck right after.. must have been on those all your might slaps complete with the follow thru and hip turn lol

  • JAY

    @AB: I called the Heat underachieving because they were expected BY MANY to easily reach 60 wins, and maybe top 70. MANY articles were arguing, LBJ won 60+ the last two years with “scrubs” in Cleveland and now he’s playing with 2 of the games best. 54 wins are nice, but they were expected to do better… thus “underachieving” fits.

    @chicago
    Dude, Perkins is a much better defender than Shaq is today. Lol.
    And regarding the future of the Celtics… I’d rather have Rondo and a dominant post defender to guard the inside than Jeff Green, who’s not really sure what position he plays. Like I always say, PG and C are they bookends of a defense. Not too many teams can say they are solid defensively at those 2 positions. Wings are a dime-a-dozen.
    Rondo and Perkins would have been deadly.
    Rondo and Green…. ugh…. no thanks.

  • Stunnaboy2K11

    @Lakeshow

    I’ve seen people do the jumping slaps where you put all your might, even jump a little. After one of those you are GONNA hit the deck haha

  • Stunnaboy2K11

    @JAY

    I dunno, what I was hearing was that Boston wasn’t gonna resign Perk so I’d rather have Rondo/Green than Rondo/No-one.

    Post Big 3 Celtics are gonna be fuuuuuuuuuuuuuun to watch.

  • Claw

    @Lakeshow – I clown on Lebron for his hubris and more worried about marketing his brand than playing but from where he came from and overcoming his mom and other relatives he seems to have his head on straight. Maybe mom needs to pattern herself after her son.

    And I don’t mean, “I’m taking my talents to Delonte’s house” either.

    Amare and Lebron’s moms for Mother of the Year awards!

  • LakeShow84

    @ Jay

    No no if ChiTown says we all must be wrong.. including all the other players in the NBA who have called Perkins the best post defender in the NBA lol shit just ask Pau Gasol..

    @ Stunnaboy

    Ahhhhh the infamous jump slap.. you gotta be feelin some real anger to hit the hop on the pop lmao

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9RJbLV98fI Showtime

    Lets be honest – the big mistake was signing Jermaine O’Neal. 6 million bucks for this season and 6 million bucks for next season. They should have thrown that cash at Perkins and could still be the favorite in the east

  • JAY

    @ Stunna
    Chicagorilla was talking personnel moves regardless of salary implications so I responded on his comments. If that’s the case then fine. We’ll never know now.

    Look at this gem by chicagorilla
    “you won’t be saying that ish in 2yrs when Green is your best player. A guy who effectively plays the 3,4,and 5 (Green) vs a undersized 5 who’s lack of talent and skill were easily disguised by KG and the Celts defense (Perkins)???? Thats insane. That would be the equilvalant to Bulls fans crying back in 96′ that the Jerry’s were stupid for trading my man Ill Will Perdue for Dennis Rodman.”

    First off, Jeff Green will be their best player? Huh… is Rondo leaving?
    Second, Perkins is Will Perdue??
    and third, Jeff Green is Dennis Rodman?
    LMAOOOOOOO!

    Chicagorilla is thinking we’re all crazy, but reality check; he equated Jeff Green to Dennis Rodman. Oh… fuckin… shit…

  • JAY

    and ANOTHER thing…. the Celtic players weren’t upset when Shaw went down with this recent injury.
    Remember how depressed they were when Perkins was traded?

    But we apologize Chicagilla… you must have the inside track. Oh, omnipotent one.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    @Claw — I’m not getting into anybody’s personal business like that, but since I have been away for a little bit I did have something to say about the people getting on LeBron for his recent Fenway/Liverpool/Rousch deal:

    This whole idea of, “Why is he focusing on business deals right before the playoffs?” line of thinking is ridiculous. Athletes are people, and none of them should be expected to spend every waking hour of their day consumed by their job. Do any of us do that? Just because you have other things going on in your life doesn’t mean you’re not focused at work.

    As hard-working and focused as Ray Allen is, trust me, he doesn’t spend all day thinking about basketball. I remember before a Celtics/Knicks game I was in the locker room about 45 minutes before tip-off and Ray was talking about sci-fi movies and novels. That didn’t make him perform any worse on the court. If that was LeBron, somebody would be asking, “Why is he focusing on Tron when he’s got a game to play?”

  • LakeShow84

    ChiTowns basketball knowledge is OMNIPOTENT indeed!!

    I didnt want to touch that Green comment thanks JAY lol

    Honestly Shaq missed the beginning part of the season didnt he??? He and Perkins were out and Boston handled Miami without too many hiccups and ran away with the #1 seed..

    They really only started to slip once Perk got traded.. hmmmmmmmmm guess he mustve been more than “undersized” center.. ive heard on many occasions he was the ANCHOR of a CHAMPIONSHIP caliber defense..

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    @JAY — But “underachieving” by whose standards?

    People put too much weight on their own opinions. This is why I think Coach of the Year has become the most meaningless award in sports. You know what COY means now? “We (the media/fans) thought your team wasn’t going to be good, but you were good, so you must have done a great job coaching.” Nevermind that the media/fans actually just misjudged that team’s talent and underestimated them.

    As for the Heat, just because a bunch of media/fans predicted 65-70 wins doesn’t mean Miami was SUPPOSED to win 65-70. Like I said, history tells us that it was extremely unlikely Miami would dominate immediately. Just because we didn’t listen doesn’t mean Miami underachieved.

  • That’s What’s Up

    Austin, I know you said a few years back you were engaged, but with you leaving DIME it now makes sense; you and Lebron have eloped.

    just playin’ dude, but seriously…. NO ONE takes any Lebron vitriol more personally than Mr. Austin Burton. Not even sure why. all the dude does is play a professional sport

  • LakeShow84

    “he equated Jeff Green to Dennis Rodman. Oh… fuckin… shit…”

    LMAO

    And 12 million for 2 years of Jermaine O’Neal?!!? for reals??? is that really true Showtime????

    Holy shit Ainge has slipped down the hottest execs list this year.. what a fricking flibbadagidget lmao

  • Claw

    @AB- I’m all about taking care of business but his timing is TERRIBLE. Why would you come out with that right before the playoffs? You can ink a deal but not publicize it till after the playoffs, he is already known for bad “decisions” why even have the perception of putting your playoff seeding on the backburner.

    Again, as Whitlock said, “Harvard problems and has people giving him community college advice”. Redsox fans are pissed at the deal also. Seriously, can’t he get better representation or business managers?

    He makes it too easy!

  • LakeShow84

    Lol i like AB’s defense tho..

    Its how i ride with Kobe.. BUT im a Laker fan..

    Thats a man crush lol

  • Claw

    The fans and media MADE the Big 3 get on a forklift with a laser light show that gave me flash backs of a Pink Floyd concert and talked about winning multiple championships is the “fans” and “media” fault.

    It also influenced Vegas where Miami had the best odds to have the best record in the NBA.

    Its everybody elses fault! The Heat were very incognito during the whole fiasco.

    Seriously?

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    @That’s What’s Up — Honestly, it wouldn’t matter who was getting the criticism, whether it was LeBron, Melo, Michael Redd or Lester Hudson. It just annoys me when people talk about and treat athletes like they’re not human and when people jump to big conclusions after a short time. LeBron just happens to get the most criticism so I end up defending him the most often. Truth is, LeBron isn’t my favorite player and I’m not even claiming he’s a great guy. But he gets WAY too much crap from the media/fans than he deserves.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    @Claw — I also included the Heat in that group of people who expected too much too soon. LeBron, Wade, Bosh and whoever was responsible for the signing party aren’t escaping blame. They all should have known, as well as the media and fans, that instant domination was unlikely.

    At the same time, I’m not gonna blame the players or the team for being excited at what they did in the 2010 summer. Don’t front: If your team had signed 3 All-Stars like that, you’d be celebrating too. And last time I checked, Miami’s stars are still in their 20s; plenty of time to win multiple championships. Just probably not in Year 1.

  • Claw

    With a new CBA that might have a smaller cap I don’t know how they are going to do it. I think they might need to move Bosh because they will need to build a “team” around those three. You are only going to get what they have. Older players past their prime and no money to go after even better than average “specialists” such as stoppers or shooters.

    I don’t think their blueprint will work, and time will tell but I think you need a real team to win. You don’t need 5 ASs but you do need a solid team and at least 2 guys on your bench that can play and not see a significant drop in play.

    I don’t think it will get better, might get uglier.

  • Claw

    Austin – Cmon, Lebron is not your favorite player? Anybody on this board believe that? Give me one person!

    Sporty jay doesn’t even have your back on that one!

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    @Claw — You can only sign who is available. Considering they were basically building an entire team from scratch, Miami could only get who was on the 2010 free agent market and in the 2010 draft. In 2011, 2012, etc., not only will different players be available, the front office will have a better idea of what kind of players they need. They don’t have to trade Bosh to make it happen.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    @Claw — I’ve made it pretty clear over the years that my favorite player is Zach Randolph, with Duncan and T-Mac and every player from Seattle also vying for the top spot. But LeBron is definitely in my Top 10, maybe Top 5.

  • Stunnaboy2K11

    Honestly most of the Miami Heat hate stems from them throwing a championship parade before a championship. Tha kind of shit just annoys me.

  • Claw

    ZBo? I’m sorry. Feel you on TD, love his game and work ethic and possibly the best PF ever but doesn’t carry himself like that.

    Look in your crystal ball, who at the league minimum will they get to help their team. They’ve signed Mike Miller already so you need minimum guys. Don’t see it, maybe they can get TMAC! The Heat are trying to sign Eddie Curry how ugly is that?

  • LakeShow84

    And it all falls right in line with Lebrons attitude and stigma..

    Celebrating and toting yourself as the cream of the crop when u aint accomplished SHIT..

    That kid shit will always falter in the face of man shit..

    @ AB

    Lebron aint ur favorite player??

    Ni$$a please lmao u defend dude even when he is wrong.. ive never heard u go AGAINST Lebron and hes done some pretty gooberish shit lol

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    I don’t feel like going through the whole list of 2011 free agents, but it depends on who’s available and who is willing to take less money to win. But you already have teams like San Antonio, Boston and the Lakers who pay 3-4 guys a bunch of money and fill in the gaps, so it’s not like it can’t be done.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    @LakeShow84 — Like I said, I end up defending LeBron because he gets the most unwarranted criticism. That’s why I ended up defending Melo a lot a couple weeks ago, because it was getting out of hand the criticism he was getting. I’m not saying ALL criticism against LeBron/Melo is unwarranted, though.

    Just don’t say anything bad about Z-Bo or it’s on.

  • LakeShow84

    ZBo lazy and looks like he got bad BO and that dead tooth breath

    Lmao

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    LOL at “dead tooth breath.”

    That’s not even right. But I know you’re just trying to provoke me. (“Don’t nobody better say nothing bad about Miss Jenkins, cause that’s when I lose it!”)

    Anyway, look at who I have defended the most: LeBron, Vince, T-Mac, Z-Bo, Joe Johnson (kinda), Dirk (kinda), Carmelo, Tony Parker … they’re not my favorite players, but players who get unwarranted criticism or are perpetually underrated. I for some reason tend to root for the guy everybody hates.

  • UncheckedAggression

    When I was reading over the comments this afternoon, I decided I simply had to comment on a couple things.

    First of all: while I know Chicagorilla is semi-retarded and says indefensible things at times, nothing has come close to the gems posted today. Just beautiful. Jeff Green the Celts best player in a few years. Shaq as good a defender as Perkins. And STILL insists he’d rather have Melo than Deng and Noah. All while implying that any alternative opinions are ludicrous. GTFOH! STFU! Chicagorilla, I salute you.

    Secondly, it does seem like people are writing off the Heat a bit too early. I don’t think they are gonna win the east, but I do think that it isn’t out of the realm of possibility. They’ll have to play incredible defense since their offense is terrible.

  • Stunnaboy2K11

    You defended Joe Johnson? Damn brah I just lost a whole hell of a lot of respect for you.

  • LakeShow84

    LMAO @ “Don’t nobody better say nothing bad about Miss Jenkins, cause that’s when I lose it”

    hahahahahahahahahahahahha

    So what about Kobe??????? mmmmmmmmmmmmmm??????

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    @Stunnaboy2K11 — You don’t like Joe’s game?

  • LakeShow84

    *Raises hand*

    I dont! falls in love with tough fallaways he isnt even notorious for making..

    Solid player if he was a 2nd-3rd maybe even 4th option.. plays solid and can hand out assists..

  • LakeShow84

    solid D*

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    @LakeShow84 — I don’t care if he’s not a superstar. Joe is very very good, maybe not great, but his game is smooth. He probably is at his ceiling where he’s the leader of a team that is about 2nd-round caliber, but that is pretty much the same way you’d describe Mitch Richmond and everybody loves reminiscing on that guy.

  • http://www.MVPresidesinChitown.com Chicagorilla

    hahhaha, sometime is seriously wrong with you people. You’re like WWF fans who wouldnt believe it was fake and everyone was roided out.

    Either way ive been right about so many things here that im amazed people still doubt me. Everytime i use logic to expose your stupidty, you all respond with a lame comment that shares the same comdeic value of Carrot Top.

    But because i hate repeating myself im not gonna go back and forth.

  • Stunnaboy2K11

    I hate Joe because of his contract mostly. I know its not his fault but still I mean 20 mil?

    Also he is not assertive, falls in love with tough shots and is clearly not a leader.

  • LakeShow84

    @ ChiTown

    PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWERS!!!!!!!

    @ AB

    His game is smooth and hes good dont get me wrong but he tends to get too fadeaway happy too much when the big games come along.. When hes on tho he can hit em from no mans land i know but ive seen him disappear in too many important SERIES..

    I say series because he plays solid in the regular season.. But once the playoffs comes along he can lay a few eggs..

    Like EGGSSSS.. i like his game i just dont see him as a superstar..

  • LakeShow84

    Honestly ive always like Joe Johnson because hes a 2 way player..

    I still say if he stayed ONE MORE year in Phoenix Nash would have a ring..

  • Claw

    Actually being a Suns fan you can point to Sarver allowing JJ to go as the beginning of their downfall. They had a tight window and JJ could defend 3 positions and was a great compliment to Nash as a spot up shooter. They sign him I think they get at least one chip. That was the beginning of Sarver’s tightwad destruction of the Suns!

    Not a #1, I think that much is clear but a good compliment player that can play D and has a solid Offensive game.

    ZBo and the Staypuff Marshallow Man – is there a difference?

  • First & Foremost

    Joe Johnson can be a number 1… he is just surrounded by a bunch of #3s. Josh Smith is a glue guy who is coming into his own with a better shot selection. Little Al would be a beast at PF if they had a better option at Center. Crawford is perfect coming off the bench. It isn’t Joe’s fault, he doesn’t have a usable wingman to run with. Not entirely his fault, he now is the reason they can’t rebuild without trading.

  • Claw

    Don’t see it, he isn’t assertive and he’s always been quiet. Lead by example is BS you need to get into players if they are slacking or not performing and he just can’t do it, not in his makeup.

    Solid player but don’t see him leading a team.

  • Q

    I haven’t posted on here since this summer, but I vividly remember alot of yall (k dizzle just to name one, n maybe chicagorilla could help me out with the rest) puttin Westbrook ahead of Rose because of their play at the world championships and just plain out doubtin Rose period..!!

    Well… Maybe u understand what type of player Rose is now…

  • darko’s doughnuts

    ROSE IS ROSE