Two Superstars, Two Separate Stories, Series Now 2-2
Dirk Nowitzki (photo. Monte Isom)
What a terrible great game. Seriously. The final few minutes were just piles of missed shots. We kept waiting for that dagger. It never really came. Eventually, Dirk Nowitzki made one more bucket than Miami did, wheeling to his right side around Udonis Haslem and hitting the go-ahead layup to send the Mavs to a 86-83 win and a 2-2 series tie. This game, whether it should’ve been or not, was about two superstars, one who rose to the occasion (sort of) and one who wilted (sort of). Dirk and LeBron. One had a terrible fever (100-102 degrees) and probably infected every media member in the building during his snuffle-filled postgame press conference (seriously, we hope they disposed of that mic). The other showed up 100% healthy, but then never really showed up, playing with as much aggression as Stanley from The Office. LeBron (eight points, nine rebounds & seven assists) had never scored so few points in a playoff game, and it was his lowest total since January, 2007. Down the stretch, Dwyane Wade had two key errors – first clearly pressing on a free throw and missing and then fumbling a pass on the Heat’s final possession – but he was a monster all game long (13-for-20 from the field, 32 points) and kept Miami in front for much of the second half. LeBron was in full-on facilitator role, to the point where it was becoming obvious. It got to a point in the third quarter where we thought, wait a second…is LeBron not shooting at all so that after the game he came vehemently claim that he’s not ANYTHING like MJ? It started to get weird when the only shots he wanted were pull-up threes. Odd. Even Mike Wilbon asked later: “I wanted to know if LeBron was sick” … Dirk made his first three shots of the game, like “Gimme that thing and get the #$%^ outta my way.” The rest of the half? There was a lot of “shrinkage” going on; he scored just two points from there until the break. By the third quarter, Dirk was spending more time complaining to the refs than getting back on defense, and seemed to be stuck in a losing battle with his fever. Then, he missed a free throw and we knew something was up. Dirk doesn’t miss free throws. Once in a while, he will during the regular season, but that’s for fun, to make things interesting. He was legitimately sick and weak. Still, Dirk fought through some terrible shooting (6-for-19) to finish with 21 and 11 and the biggest shot of the game … Trailing in the fourth, Jason Terry (17 points) finally woke up, scoring twice off staggered screens against LeBron, chewing him out after the first two buckets he’s scored all series against him in the fourth. Terry’s layup with five minutes left put the Mavs up. Miami didn’t score for five and a half minutes until two Bosh free throws with under two minutes left. Dallas had SO many good looks at the end of the game: DeShawn Stevenson (11 points) missed 2 threes, Dirk, Terry had two shots on one possession in the last minute, all wide open. Still, they survived … As the TV guys mentioned, the Mavs’ game is on the floor, and when that’s the case, you better box out. Early on, Miami couldn’t make anything, shooting just 29%. But they had nine offensive rebounds and somehow after one, the game was tied. Chris Bosh started early, making the Heat’s first three shots and hitting jumper after jumper on Dallas’ bigs. He had 16 in the first half (24 for the game), scoring in basically every way possible … Where was the emotion? The passion? In the first half, Dallas had the look of a team that didn’t believe. Stevenson was their best player in the second quarter. Seriously. He made three huge treys that kept Dallas within range, and a quick 9-0 run before the half finally grabbed some momentum for the Mavs … So Jim Carrey‘s reward for J.J. Barea sucking and shooting worse than Dennis Rodman after four Screwdrivers is to start? When your ace in the hole is Barea, you’re beyond desperate. Twice, he drove to the rim and missed easy layups. Even his perimeter shot, which was never a strength, was way off. But while he didn’t have a great game, the rest of the Mavs supporting cast won it for Dallas. Tyson Chandler (13 points, 16 rebounds), the JET and Abe Lincoln all brought it. For once, you can say Soulja Boy > Jay-Z … ‘Bron really struggled, but he did connect with Wade on a sick oop … At one point, Mark Jackson called D-Wade the third-best shooting guard ever, behind only MJ and Kobe. How does everyone feel about that? … Remind us to start a flop count next game. Over/under of what? Maybe…77? Does that sound right? … And interestingly, every Miami starter had a negative plus/minus, while everyone on their bench had a positive one … We’re out like Terrelle Pryor.
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June 8th, 2011 at 1:53 am
Duke says:
Lebron had the right idea. He didn’t want to attack the paint because he knows Dirk has the sniffles and that **** is contagious. No other reason.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:10 am
Buckets says:
I guess we all get caught up in how many pts LBJ scores but I like to observe a players effort and go from there. Like DWade had 32pts but he had a 45pt effort IMO. Between the blocks and rebounds, DWade was all over the place and it clearly showed. LBJ didn’t have that kind of effort to me tonight and that ultimately led to the L for the Heat. At least that’s what I saw in Game 4. How great was that save by Wade at the end???
June 8th, 2011 at 2:11 am
dagwaller says:
Another tight game. Great graphic, showing this is in a 4 way tie with the tightest series ever after 4 games. Insane!
June 8th, 2011 at 2:32 am
yoda says:
it seems dirk is on a mission. torn tendon, high fever, what ever… its time to go to work! always liked him (except when he plays against lakers) but dude is showing that he will do everything he can to win. hopefully his teammates won’t fail him again. i hope mavs take 3-2 lead.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:36 am
pipdaddyy says:
I’m afraid for Shawn Marion, Lebron will come out to kill in Game 5.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:49 am
gilford says:
That block by Wade on Chandler is insane and so is the alley-oop.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:54 am
gilford says:
As for Lebron, dude you’re freaking 6’8 and you’re being guarded by Jason Kidd who is 6’4(and 38 years old!) skrew the whole facilitator thing and attack the basket!
June 8th, 2011 at 2:56 am
Aaron_41 says:
Dirk’s the man.He will do anything to win. Mavs in 7… ^_^
June 8th, 2011 at 2:57 am
Sporty-j says:
I blame Spoelstra and Lebron for this 1. Wade is killing it and instead of him just put Wade in post. Hes starts putting the ball in Bosh hands, lets Lebron stand his 6’9 260 pound a$$ on the perimeter playing hot potato with the ball as the shot clock run down while Jason Kidd and Stevenson was sticking him? Wade struggled on the offensive end of the floor against Chicago but he still manage to keep his head in the game. Contribute what he could offensively.
But dominated Chicago with some nice blocks on Deng, Rose, etc. This is it and I hope he did not take
what Pippen said to the head about him might being
the Goat because hes got a long way to go to even be mentioned in the same breathe as M.J. One year of finally making a couple of big shots in the 2nd and 3rd rounds does not put him in the same class or league as M.J. We still got the Finals left which is the biggest stage in the world and where true legends are born. Lebron could have easily blocked Dirk shot like Wade almost did in game 3 when Dirk thru the ball out of bounds. But he just freaking stood there. I dont have a problem with the lack of offensive production. Him not being into it defensively either is what I have a problem with…
June 8th, 2011 at 3:05 am
Soopa says:
What an intense game. Great series.
Credit when credit is due: great refereeing tonight.
You look at Lebron’s 8 points and think ‘Man, he sucked’. But he only took 11 shots and is basically playing PG most of the game which means theres not a lot of plays being run for him!
If my PG had 8/9/7 with 2 steals id be happy. But when your name is LeBron you need 30 points for people to appreciate him.
Of course for his standards he played way below his normal level and he needs to play better for Miami to win it seems, but still…
If he had some more Kobe in him (pause) he would have taken 15 shots in the 4th. He didnt and i think thats a very good thing.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:08 am
Soopa says:
Oh and Tyson Chandler is a beast! Imaging where Dallas would be without him.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:47 am
the cynic says:
Dallas is just prolonging the inevitable.
June 8th, 2011 at 6:26 am
dcyrilcasa says:
I thought that Dallas would lose again coz Dirk had a flu. Tnx to Jason Terry for stepping up.
June 8th, 2011 at 6:38 am
alf (from melmak) says:
Let me do a little math. A player can play a maximum of 100 games per season including the playoffs. LeBron James is earning $14.50 million this year. This means that Bron’s take home pay is at least $145,000 per game excluding incentives and bonuses.
Today he played for 46 minutes which translates to $3,152.17 per minute.
If you were an NBA team owner, would you be happy paying him that amount when he only gave you 8 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals, plus 4 turnovers as bonus?
Just asking.
June 8th, 2011 at 6:44 am
Trey bing bay says:
I think maybe Lebron wants this series to go 7 games because he loves basketball so much! Otherwise there’s no explanation – I mean sh*t Lebron, it’s the goddamn finals!
June 8th, 2011 at 7:02 am
Mark2307 says:
Still think the HEAT will win game 5 and the series in 6, but 11 shots for Lebron isn’t enough! Needs to take 20 for them to win, this series should be over now the HEAT defo threw it away last night again. Credit to the mavs and dirk though Greta fight and belief in themselves, also the HEAT can’t be in the penalty that early it softens their defense! They would have won if not for that. I don’t like the mavs but I gotta lot of respect for how they have played this post season, may the best team win (GO HEAT)
June 8th, 2011 at 7:33 am
First & Foremost says:
Lebron did his job. Wade had it going, Bosh had it going, why would he start jacking up shots to break their rhythm? He could have played better on defense but for offensive purposes he gave the ball to the hot hand.
@14 – If I’m making revenue of a couple million per playoff game, yeah I’m fine with paying him 3Gs to almost get a Rondo-esque triple double.
Chalmers should play with a muzzle because his trash talking with the Heat up 7 lead to Terry’s string of baskets.
June 8th, 2011 at 7:37 am
Stunnaboy2K11 says:
LeBron played like donkey shit today, as passive as a gay guys dick when watching lesbian porn. Do not know why your bets player would give you a Rondo fucking line of 8/9/7.
Dallas wins game 5, goes back to Miami 3-2 and all they have to play for is a split, Miami are not realizing how big it is for them to win these games
June 8th, 2011 at 7:39 am
jzsmoove says:
did u say Abe Lincoln or Hey, Blinkin? i agree that Lebron looked like he might as well be wearing tights. no passion at all. or did he just expect to get his in the 4th but failed.
June 8th, 2011 at 7:41 am
That's What's Up says:
Best 2 out of 3 now. It’s anybody’s game
June 8th, 2011 at 7:44 am
kswizzle says:
dwade clutch… just bullshit ! i dont get why everyone is so amazed by d wade’s performance when its just a good game with poor D on him and all the plays made for him.
Again that theory about the big three being unstoppable when 2 of them have a good game is wrong. it only is true when lebron is one of the two.
I blame Coach spo for not drawing plays for lebron to help him heat up before the 4th and instead just having one dimension offense. poor coaching
props to carlisle the reall coach of the year for realizing that the heat cant win without lebron ( who did have an awful night) and keeping tuff D even when he is in an off night.
D wade was really hot and made tuff shots and never facilitate by spreading the floor which ultimately lead them to the loss
June 8th, 2011 at 7:58 am
hoopistani says:
Stories of “2 superstars”? Funny none of them is the guy who is the leading scorer in the finals.
June 8th, 2011 at 8:15 am
bigdoggchad says:
I really think LeBron is putting up a good front about being team first, but deep down it is killing him that if Miami wins Wade has MVP locked up. So last night he was like fine lets see if wade can carry us to a win by himself.
June 8th, 2011 at 8:26 am
JAY says:
“Lebron did his job.”
Um. No. If THAT’S his job then he’s not worth the money they are paying him. He played like shit. Period.
June 8th, 2011 at 9:23 am
sh!tfaced says:
Dag said it… These games are tighter than Ken Jeong’s bitch! (Finally saw Hangover 2… hehehe)
June 8th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Kudabeen says:
A whole Smack and no Shawn Marion mention? He was “A Man” out there with Chandler. He was taking in to LeBron and anybody and barking about it, which highlighted LeBron’s sheepish play.
LeBron was on some BS and there is no excuses about it. You can’t sit back and leave it on Wade. When Wade was on the bench LeBron did little. He didn’t come to play and that is why I hold Wade over him as a better player…yes LeBron size and skill set is superior to all others, but his mentality makes him less great too often. It is the Finals, what you claim you want and you are timid and hiding behind Wade’s skirt all game??
Bosh was more aggressive than him, even though Bosh fumbled 3 passes down the stretch.
Horrible, but it makes the series more interesting…
June 8th, 2011 at 9:45 am
DNice says:
Lebron playing like crap. Even the pregame speech he gave sounded kind of weak. Anyway Heat in 6, LETS GO HEAT!!
June 8th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Kudabeen says:
And the nonsense about LeBron not getting plays called for him as an excuse is empty…
These are PLAYMAKERS on the floor. they ran the same sets with LeBron and Wade making the decision. Wade attacked and LeBron retreated simple as that. How many putbacks and aggressive drives did Wade have vs LeBron?? Stop that argument. The man didn’t come to play and didn’t do what he was supposed to do to win. Can’t call him King James then give him excuses when he doesn’t show up. It is his choice to impose his will or fall back. This is Cavs all over again…It is hard to reconcile this type of LeBron performance vs Game 5 Pistons 2007 or any other performance where he is bullying opposing teams.
Dallas wasn’t trying to stop him…Wade was killing and Bosh was getting loose…He just took a game off.
June 8th, 2011 at 9:56 am
RikkJames says:
If Lebron comes out looking for his in game 5 , i feel better for the Mavs chances than if DWade did that. Half court Lebron isnt as mighty as fast break Lebron.
June 8th, 2011 at 10:15 am
First & Foremost says:
@Jay – Whose shots do you want Lebron to takeaway? Wade has the mismatch and has used it to his advantage all series. Bosh came to play early on so you have 2 rhythm shooters who got it going. Lebron initiated the offense, he played a distributing pg.
Lebron did have Kidd on him but what do you really want him to do? Wade/Bosh were giving the business to everyone. Lebron made the right reads and his team lost by 3. He put up some ugly shots and they missed but he also found a wide open Bosh [the 2nd half Bosh was some poop] who dropped at least 3 passes resulting in turnovers.
Lebron didn’t dribble the ball off of Mike Miller’s foot. Lebron didn’t dribble the ball off of Wade’s foot. Lebron wasn’t the one fumbling passes under the basket. Lebron wasn’t missing 4th quarter free throws. He does deserve some blame for the stagnant play in the 4th but no one else showed up for Miami. As good as Wade and Bosh both were, once the 6 minute mark happened they both disappeared [on offense].
June 8th, 2011 at 10:16 am
QQ says:
Thoughts for the game:
1. Lebron disappeared. I honestly don’t know if it’s the defense or he the ‘facilitator’ thing or he just decided to amuse himself: ‘Hmmmm what will Austin Burton say to defend me this time? I love that dude!’.
2.Wade was beastin’ but that play in the end… Hmmm. Is it the passer’s fault or Wade’s? Cause that play obviously lost the game for them.
3.Terry made two shots in the 4th, decided to talk shit like he’s been dropping points since Game 1, then proceeded to disappear again. As someone that is rooting for the Mavs, I would just like to say: FUCK YOUR BULLSHIT, TERRY AND JUST MAKE YOUR DAMN SHOTS.
4.That Dirk guy with all that fever stuff.. He’s pretty good.
June 8th, 2011 at 10:26 am
jdizzle says:
Im surprised no one has accused LeBron of quitting. But then again its still early…
June 8th, 2011 at 10:33 am
Ian says:
has tyson chandler ever finished a putback in his life?? god damn man you are 7’0
June 8th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Fish says:
Lebron has faded in the fourth quarter of playoff games his whole career.
He made a fairly valid point in the post-game conference after the last game, basically saying (in response to criticism of him not stepping up): I played great defense, I wasn’t chasing stats. Which, although mostly true, doesn’t entirely cut it. Did Jordan play great defense, and then defer to Pippen on the offensive end during the fourth quarter? No, of course not, he provided on both ends, as all great players do.
I think people are afraid to criticize the guy because he’s so immensely talented. Talent does not prevent choking.
June 8th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Slash says:
@First & Foremost
Lebron did have Kidd on him but what do you really want him to do?
LOL
June 8th, 2011 at 10:47 am
b$ says:
JET didn’t exactly dissappear….he did make 2 pretty big free throws at the end.
Dirk is all growed up taking it to the hole in the clutch like he should have been doing for the past 10 years.
Bronny just had another pouty game like he did last year to end his Cav career.
That series where Wade blocked Chandler then came back down and hit the lay in was some serious Superman sh!t.
What will be the turning pint in the series? Lebron wakes up? Barea or Stojakovic hits a shot? Miller gets hot? Butler returns?
June 8th, 2011 at 10:49 am
That's What's Up says:
@ QQ – post 31, section 1
pure gold
can’t wait for AB to chime in
June 8th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Otto says:
I was on the fence at first, but now I’m flat out going for Dallas. Barea is like Tommy DeVito on MDMA. Dude has no business being on a basketball court yet he carries a ridiculous Napoleonic complex in his potato sack. J-Kidd deserves a championship given that this is his 3rd NBA Finals appearance. The media should at least award him an honorary championship for not featuring his awkward son in every post game interview this time around. Not to mention Peja was a bad man back in the days and probably needs a ring to pawn off to some Serbian gangsters back home so he can even up his gambling debts with them.
June 8th, 2011 at 11:08 am
First & Foremost says:
@Slash – yeah, I know…
I questioned why they didn’t just motion Lebron into the post, let the double come, get some ball movement, and then get some open shot attempts. It did seem that Lebron wanted no part of Kidd during the ENTIRE game but seriously… ALL 3 can’t be aggresive at the same time. 1 of them has to pass the ball.
Lebron is the greatest regular season player in the league and Wade is of the better post season players. The Heat will be fine for years to come.
@ Peja’s playing time – Unless James Jones gets in the game Peja will be glud to the bench.
June 8th, 2011 at 11:11 am
D says:
You guys keep saying don’t talk trash to Lebron, “let sleeping dogs lay”, “I feel sorry for Marion next game” and your all in denial of who this guy really is. He’s not MJ or Kobe where he’ll take this personal and actually come out to kill his defender if he feels in anyways disrespected.MJ and Kobe are hardwired from birth to be killers and will punish guys offensively if you disrespect…and actually play better when there pissed. Lebron is not that guy he wasn’t in cleveland and he isn’t in Miami which is why he joined forces with a guy (D.Wade)who is more like who you all are expecting Lebron to be. Lebron is loud, talks alot, poses for the camera and hides in the darkest corner of the room on the biggest stage which the finals are he did it in Cleveland when they went to the finals and he’s doing it in Miami now that there in the finals which has always been MJ and other credible NBA greats knock on him. D.Wade is quiet, composed, not a loud talker, no in to making theatric speeches or LOOK AT ME dances for the camera like lebron but he gets it done out on the floor look all great players do performing there best on the biggest stage which is why again you Bron zombies, he took his “talents” to south beach to take his place along side a killer and leader who doesn’t shy away from big moments but actually becomes better in them. Mark Jackson was right about his SG ranking 1)MJ 2.)Kobe 3)D.Wade all of whom got it done on the big stage and have won finals mvp’s…which by the way LeBron will not be winning if the heat do happen to win this series…Lebron is who we thought he was…so stop defending his impotent play on the biggest stage and excusing it with this ULTIMATE FACILITATOR shit. You guys like the rest of the viewing world knows that’s a bunch of crap and that LeBron has been a virtual no show since the eastern conference finals as his play has gotten worse as each game of the finals passes and D.Wades has gotten better. I really hope this ends any comparison of him with MJ or Goliaths of the game, at this point it’s futile to even put him in the same sentence with Kobe because Kobe has gotten it done time after time on the big stage and has the finals mvps to prove it. Lebron has acquiesced fully and knows that D.WADE is the leader of this team, hence is uncomfortableness at the end of the game press conference when D.Wade refers to himself as the leader of the team and how he had to lead “his guys”. Hell i’m uncomfortable watching Lebron’s posture and face change and wiggle with uneasiness as D.Wade says that stuff but it’s the truth
June 8th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Big Island says:
QQ – Exactly what “that’s what’s up” said. I swear I saw Lebron saying “That guy. That’s my guy.”
Tyson Chandler won that damn game. And apparently Bosh’s defense on Dirk wasn’t too bad at the end of game 2 because the guy everyone said should have been guarding him (Haslem) gave up the same thing last night. Except he let Dirk go to his strong, non torn up hand.
Alf – I’d be happy as fuck to pay Lebron that money because my franchise has increased in value, I’m in the Finals making money, and if I’m really lucky it’ll go 7 games. Mo money, mo money, mo money…. Dear God, he had a low scoring game, it’s not the end of the world. Am I happy paying him… Unreal.
I can’t take it anymore. This series will be the end of me. After the game I ate a fucking salad and watched the Bachelorette on DVR with my better half. And I didn’t even blink, it was like “Bachelorette? Sure! I love salad!” I just didn’t give a fuck. World, this is me not giving a single fuck.
June 8th, 2011 at 11:22 am
D says:
“Lebron is the greatest regular season player in the league” That shit is hilarious when you think about because you have idiots throwing hyperbole all around about this guy being better than MJ better than Kobe and a statement like that was ever uttered about those two but it’s so true. I hear the media and bron zombies defending this guy but his game is under a microscope with the biggest and brightest lights searing through this indestructable persona and essentially facade he has paraded in front of the cameras and the viewing world has watched him shrivel and crumble under these lights. Holding onto this titanic indestructable image that both the media and himself have created like a child holds onto their belief of Santa Claus and the tooth fairy only you guys aren’t children.
June 8th, 2011 at 11:25 am
D says:
Big Island this guy has had a bad NBA finals series and has essentially been a high priced decoy for the Miami heat the whole finals. D.Wade has shouldered the load the whole finals and than Chris Bosh.
June 8th, 2011 at 11:44 am
D says:
First & Foremost in AA formality the first step to solving a problem is admitting there is one. Are you kidding? “Wade has the mismatch”, “What did we want Lebron to do?”, “He made the right reads”, “He was the initiator of the offense PG”, “He should take some of the blame but not all of it” GTFOH are you in denial????????????!!!!!!!!!!Have you just emerged from a cave after a 1,000 years rest. They’re putting this guy up there with the MT.Rushmores of greats who have ever played the game. He can’t score on AARP Jason Kidd, that’s the biggest mismatch in the series they’re saying this cat is better than MJ better than Kobe both alloyed greats who have all the hardware to prove it and your excusing his play by saying he was the initiator of the offense and D.Wade has the mismatch???LMAO…what i’m hearing from Lebron apologetics is absurdity at it’s best…We are talking about “THE GREAT LEBRON JAMES” aren’t we? By the way has anybody seen that guy I heard he held an obnoxious, half baked, juvenile press conference where he announced to his fans and ex-boss that for the first time that he would be taking his talents to south beach but I have yet to see him play for them in my watching these NBA finals. No Lebron chase down blocks on little point gaurds for your daily espn highlight cannot cover up what the viewing world is seeing every tuesday, thursday and sunday. Those chase down blocked shots that make espn highlights are cliffnotes for the occassional and casual fan us the real fans now can watch you for an entire game and make an intelligent assessment of your play for four quarters without having to pay for NBA league pass. We’ve read your story and see you aren’t who espn has spoon fed us to believe that you are…a killer…a leader. Your leader is D.Wade and he’s showed up and left it all on the floor this ENTIRE NBA FINALS SERIES.
June 8th, 2011 at 11:45 am
quest??? says:
After those two missed layups barea actually had a solid game 8 points, 4 assists 3 rebounds in 21 minutes.
June 8th, 2011 at 11:46 am
rell says:
@First & Foremost
All 3 can’t be aggressive all game but each one can be aggressive at different portion of the game. Bosh was 1 for 7 after the break so LBJ had no excuse of not being aggressive at some point in the 2nd half.
Also I don’t Shawn Marion should be worried about LBJ destroying him next game because Bron haven’t really outplayed Marion in none of these game. Marion is basically playing Lebron to a stand still this series. Marion is averaging 15pts 6.5rebs 2.5ast 52%fgp 2.5TO while Bron average is 17.25pts 7.25rebs 6.25ast 46%fgp 3.5TO for the series. The supposedly best player on the Heat can’t outplay Marion right now.
June 8th, 2011 at 11:52 am
D says:
Damn good point @rell! Exactly obviously the “best player on the planet” can’t outplay Marion or J.Kidd.LMAO. He’s a golden retriever(well liked by family and friends, a “team player”) stop trying to make him a pitbull you guys. Lebron is just not a killer.
June 8th, 2011 at 11:54 am
BigStick says:
Slightly off-topic but dude I could barely watch Dirk’s postgame press conference. Guy looked like death warmed over and they still kept him up there for a long while SMH…
June 8th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Sporty-j says:
Thats whats wrong with you Lebron apologist. Lebron is is a grown f#&king man. He does not need you guys to be making excuses for him as if you are 1 of his bit&#e$ or is on his payroll. There are no excuses this year so plz stop with this he was just trying to be a facilitater B.S. Lebron said that he was going to be more aggressive after the game 2 lost and try to get to the line. He does not get a couple of foul calls and he stops driving to the rim. Than it was Marion is playing good defense in these playoffs. Marion is now sticking Wade which leaves Steveson and Kidd with the duties to now guard Lebron and hes hanging on the perimeter shooting 3s and long a$$ 2s instead of getting his big a$$ in the post. He would not cut to the rim or anything for his teammates to try to get him involved. Than he told the reporter to dont look at the stat sheet and look at my defense. He stood there and just freaking watched Dirk make that layup. This guy should be shooting fadeaway shoots in his sleep over whos guarding him now. Lebron his the most talented NBA player to ever come out of high school but its his mental toughness is what people always questioned. The guy has got Chris Bosh outplaying him by a mile…
June 8th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
CLAW says:
@rell: Damn it, I was going to post that today! Damn West Coast Time!
Marion has played well on both ends and been the 2nd best player on Dallas, the Matrix Reloaded!
Lebron “best” player in the reg season and the last 2 series – Who Cares! He’s not MJ, not Magic, and all these posers like Pippen that said they would rather play with Bron than MJ GO AHEAD you ringless bitches!
Wade is by far stepping up on both ends while Bron shrinks.
@F&F: Quit being AB! You are Lebron, the best player of this generation and you fade like a little bitch! Disrupt the FLOW! F that, BE THE FLOW!
Great series, Mavs win Game 5 and its on!
June 8th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Sporty-j says:
F&#k that s&#t today! Im going off on all Lebron defenders today. I dont know how you can defend him after that bit&#a$$ move last night. Guy chooses the Final to have the worst game of his career and dont be engaged offensively or defensively. Oh Im pi$$ed now so lets get it started today on Dimemag…
June 8th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
D says:
Very true @sporty J…he has always had questionable fortitude i’m sure he’s biting his nails in the locker room like he use to do in cleveland adding to the nervous and worrisome persona that most NBA fans have of this guy when it comes to there perception of him being clutch or performing big in big games. BTW LeBron does not have a post up game(he said he was going to be working on that last off-season)which is another of his weaknesses…D.Wade has one though he took pages from MJ and Kobe and developed that part of his game. LeBron is the most imposing physically of D.Wade, MJ and Kobe, he’s 8 years in and still has yet to develope the post-up part of his game. He’d rather shoot fade away threes, dunk on guys and jab step his defender to death with shotty footwork often resulting in turnovers for his team because he gets called for traveling…these are all fundamentals that take practice. It’s my belief that when his athletecism abandons him, as it does all the greats, that he will not be half the player he is now because he’s relied so long on his physical ability and never mastered the fundamentals like foot work or a post up game which allows you to score without as much physical exertion. If LeBron better his footwork and gets a post up game he will really, really good.
June 8th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
kswizzle says:
the mj pippen kobe magic comparison is so boring and childish can we talk about the match ups, coaching, dallas zone D, or stats that will reveal something interesting for the upcoming games, something else than lebron is no jordan because its getting a little silly all this hate.
Where are the real bball lovers. im tired of those bar arguments:
-Kobe is better than lebron.
-No, lebron is better than kobe and your dad…
and it goes on an on….
So yes AB is pro Lebron its obvious, but if it frustrates you guys, create your own blogs!!! i swear its easy… you can call it ihatelebron.com or mjisthebestfollowedbykobeandlebronisnowherenear.com just to give you some ideas.
June 8th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Sporty-j says:
I cant believe F&F is on here defending Lebron. I thought you were way better than that my dude. You Lebron fans should be calling him out at this point especially after Pippen just gave him such a high praise. Seems like in life Pippen wish he would have had the chance to play with Lebron since M.J. would never give him the last shot. Wade and Jordan on the same team would destroy Pippen and Lebron. Im sure Jordan would have rather have Wade as a teammate to than the backstabbing ungrateful Pippen. Delonte West is also no longer an excuse and im not ki$$ing Lebrons a$$ or going to wonder whats going on with this dude. He better come out in game 5 demanding the ball because this Diva wanting to be papered stuff is to much of a headache…
June 8th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
QQ says:
Sadly….. The WWE Tag Team championship of Sporty J and Austin Burton ends today. You will be missed.
I’m waiting for this classic scenario to happen:
‘AB: Wait a minute guys. Settle down. *writes a comment saying Lebron didn’t disappear, it’s not Lebron’s fault, Lebron’s still the best player on the Heat, etc*.
Dime Fam: Come on now, AB. Stop being an apologist.
AB: ME?! AN APOLOGIST?! *becomes ABSOLUTELY SURPRISED that he is accused of having a bias towards Lebron*
June 8th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
CLAW says:
@kswizzle: Like the people that shoot through other people’s ideas. Don’t tell me you don’t like it, tell me what you don’t like and how that can be improved. Don’t say everybody should be talking about the strategy of the game and not how Lebron is a douche and fades in crunch time THEN doesn’t offer anything?
Weak ass post, step up your game, your posts are like Lebron’s game in the 4th! You are better that that.
And for the love of all the basketball gods can JJ make a flippin layup, SERIOUSLY missed 2 with nobody challenging, frustrating to watch. But see him hit those shots AFTER a foul or at a timeout dude was money!
June 8th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
LakeShow84 says:
I dont care about Lebrons game.. Shit welcome to a Lakers fans world.. how does it feel to watch ur 2nd best player look like shit LMAO
But DWade????
DAMN..
Its funny because DWade has always been this player.. i think in a way he has always kept me from truly ACCEPTING Lebron as the best in the East.. We watched Wade do this FIVE years ago in the Finals.. When the man gets going,
HE IS A FORCE..
LIKE A CRAZY THUNDERSTORM WHIRLWIND FORCE.. Swatting shots, gliding in for dunks, hitting tough J’s.. doing EVERYTHING.. Give Lebron Wades drives with that body.. and u’d have something BETTER than Michael Jordan..
now THAT is what you call a fucking 2 way elite player..
Wade out there going HEAD UP with centers and not falling and NOT GIVING UP EASY BUCKETS.. shit even when Chandler went up stronger Wade still stopped his shot and made him shoot 2..
We give Lebron credit for being ultra athletic.. this ni$$a DWade is 6’4 gettin up in big frontcourt players shit..
INSANE…
And i have no fuckin idea who will this series.. part of me says Dallas will EEK out the next 2 while part of me wants DWade to go ballistic..
Im torn
June 8th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
First & Foremost says:
LOL… Nice posts by everyone. I’ve never made it a habit to defend Lebron. I just pick the opposite side of everyone else. Dwight > Rose; LMA > Love and so forth. I feel Lebron has always been a frontrunner. As soon he doesn’t think he has the upper hand he folds. So continue to say what you want. And I Digress…
Lebron played an awful game by SUPERSTAR standards but who on Miami stepped up in the 4th. Up 7 with however many minutes left and the best the entire team could do was a dunk and some free throws. Let me guess, it was Lebron’s responsibility to guard ALL of the Mavs open shooters. Is he supposed to use his 6’9 frame to just bowl through 4-5 screens at the top of the key?
Pippen said, when it is all said and done Lebron will/might be the GOAT. So after 7.9 seasons we are judging him against a HOF & a player that was drafted/traded into a better situation. What Pippen meant is that the talent is there. What can’t Lebron do? [Besides show up in huge games...] He can play point, he can get to the rim, he can shoot most nights, he can be a playmaker, he can defend positions 1-4, he is a marketing machine, & he could probably beat Superman in arm wrestling. His problem as everyone points out is that he doesn’t have the will or drive of a MJ or Kobe.
Lebron is more T-mac. He plays basketball because he is good at it. He may never win a ring but from a business standpoint, does he even have to. Look at his portfolio, basketball doesn’t appear to be is primary focus. He is that good, that an unfocused Lebron is still a top 5 player in the league.
So what if he plays second fiddle to Wade in this Finals. One of the guys he is being measured against played 2nd fiddle for his first 3 rings. Does Lebron have to run Wade out of town and then go on to win a ring without him, just to get back into the conversation?
For the GOAT comparison, it isn’t how you got the rings it is only that you got the rings. IF he gets 4 rings but only in 2 of them he was the lead dog. No one is going to care. He will simply be known as a 4x Champion. People don’t introduce Robert Horry as the 7x champion role player. Does he belong in the same category as Bill Russell, NO. In Lebron’s possible case, Wade winning a couple for him won’t vastly tarnish his Legacy. Chris Bosh will go on to become James Worthy.
Don’t break your keyboard/pad with the responses.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
da man says:
The things that stood out to me were bobbled passes and missed free throws. At least two or three times, Bosh received a pass in the paint on the move and bobbled the pass leading to a turnover. He also missed a couple easy layups. Last play of the game, Wade tried to drive before he caught the ball, almost a turnover.
I should probably add one more thing, Deshawn Stevenson. I’ve never seen him make three 3′s in a row before. He is one of the premier streaky shooters.
Jason Terry needs to settle down. He finally makes a few baskets in the fourth and starts lipping.
I know Shawn Marion is a good shooter and his form makes it look like it’s not, but seriously, he’s throwing up junk at the rim and it’s going in.
This series is coming down to who loses two in a row first.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
LakeShow84 says:
@ F&F
I was going to use the TMac reference too.. born with all the PHYSICAL TOOLS to excel at the game but born without the MENTALITY to MAXIMIZE those tools..
But i do disagree..
Lebron shouldve stepped up in the 4th.. i dont know which sequence he nutted away from but he basically dumped the ball off on Bosh.. and it was CRUNCH TIME.. Bosh’s shot was no better than his.. but give Kidd props.. he plays solid positional defense and has hands.. it actually looked like Lebron wanted no piece of him lol
You can play facilitator all u want but Lebron isnt stupid.. he knows when to attack.. hes a VETERAN at this point.. when Wade gives it up.. GET YOURS.. he knew that..
He nutted up.. But oh well.. im used to it lol
June 8th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
CLAW says:
I’ve always thought Lebron would be better than Kobe and I would hate on Kobe for his selfishness but Kobe would put it on himself and was a straight up killer. Wade is the same way but I don’t see Lebron as that type of person and I have to disagree if Wade/Lebron win 4 rings and Wade has 2 MVPs I do think that lessens his position as GOAT.
@da man: Getting a portion of Suns season tix for nearly 10 years the dude is always doing that flip shit and terrible release but that stuff just goes in.
Its been a great series, Wade’s block on Chandler was sick and I’m sure Tyson was pissed when that second one didn’t go down I’m sure he wanted to dunk Wade along with the ball. Wade is flippin 6’4″! Kid is sick but Dirk was equally clutch, much props to Dirk he isn’t shrinking like last time he wants it and putting that European soft label to bed.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
CLAW says:
Was funny, I’ve got Larry Bird crap all over my entertainment room and my 4 year old asked me if Dirk was Larry Bird! Before this series I would say hell no now go to the corner, but man Dirk has just upped his game where the comparison isnt TOO MUCH off, still not close but at least brings up a discussion.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Austin Burton says:
The fact that LeBron is the main topic of Game 4 conversation tells me a lot. If this were any other team playing Dallas, last night would be known as Dirk’s Flu Game. Just like how Game 2 became more about Miami’s collapse and Wade’s “early celebration” than about Dallas’ comeback. It goes to show that it’s more fashionable these days to criticize than praise.
(Not to mention, why is nobody talking about D-Wade’s missed free throw at the end? You know if LBJ had scored 30-plus and missed that FT, and Wade put up 8-9-7 while being “disengaged”, LeBron would still get blamed for the loss. It’s a crazy double standard, but I guess it comes with the territory.)
Anyway, my defense for LeBron? None. He played a bad game by his standards and should have been more aggressive picking his spots to shoot. That simple.
But I do think it’s silly how so many people are using this one game to make blanket declarations about LeBron’s career, his heart, and his overall crunch-time mindset. Pick a Hall of Famer who has played in the Finals, and I bet you can find at least one bad game on their ledger:
Ray Allen: 0-13 FG, 2 pts (Game 3, 2010)
Paul Pierce: 2-14 FG, 6 pts, 3 asts (Game 3, 2008)
Dirk Nowitzki: 2-14 FG, 4 TO (Game 4, 2006)
Shaquille O’Neal: 2-5 FG, 5 pts, 6 rebs (Game 2, 2006)
Kobe Bryant: 4-13 FG, 11 pts, 4 TO (Game 3, 2004)
Scottie Pippen: 2-16 FG, 4 TO (Game 5, 1998)
Magic Johnson: 4-13 FG, 14 pts, 4 TO (Game 2, 1991)
And all those games were losses for the aforementioned player. But is anybody questioning the heart or clutch ability of these guys? Does anyone even remember these particular games?
June 8th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
LakeShow84 says:
I give props to Dirk for COMPLETELY abandoning his shot..
A shooter wouldve said fuck it ive made a few FT’s and hit a layup let me try one..
But given the situation dude took it to the rack REPEATEDLY.. and that game winning layup was a millimeter away from being a brick..
Props to the German..
June 8th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
LakeShow84 says:
I dont think anyone can talk about Wades missed FT because hes made the same FT’s earlier in his career for a Finals MVP..
Just sayin AB lol
Lebron has to clear a hurdle that Wade already has in a sense..
Until Lebron gets that ring as the truly dominant force hes been billed as for 7+ years everyone will get on him for the SMALLEST shit..
U could honestly say everyone is EXASPERATED in waiting for it to happen and thats where all the animosity is coming from..
Look at the proof.. Lebron gets handed all these labels.. recently by Scottie and people ACTUALLY get on board with the idea.. THEN???? he goes out and lays an egg like this..
I can imagine people just want dude to shit or get up off the pot by now lol
June 8th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Big Island says:
OK, this is getting out of hand. Lebron had a poor game number wise. Only 2 of the 3 guys can realistically go off in the game, and both Wade and Bosh scored a bunch. If you were a GM, you mean to tell me you’d pass on Lebron? Stop it. Just stop it. I like seeing the guys highlights, but I don’t like him for a bunch of reasons, but he’s a beast. One game fellas, one game. I’d like him to play like ass for the next 3 so Dirk can win, but I am not betting a fucking penny on that happening.
Is that game any worse than the crap Kobe pulled a few years back in Sacramento? I’d take a guy going 3-11 and at least playing over the guy who just flat out quits in a game. But Kobe is wired to be a killer. Get. The. Fuck. Out. With. That. Bullshit.
I feel bad for Sporty-J. He has been in here for a month talking/taking shit and he has to be crapping in his pants right now.
In closing, fuck these guys:
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Kobe
Carmelo
And props to these guys:
Dirk
Dirk
Dirk
Dirk
Blake Griffin
June 8th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
LakeShow84 says:
When Wade is taking those FT’s u expect him to make them both no questions asked..
When Lebron is taking those FT’s u (i do) wait for him to split them..
Or is that just me????
June 8th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Big Island says:
Austin – thanks for reminding me:
Fuck Paul Pierce too.
June 8th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Please cut all that
REALISTICALLY ONLY 2 GUYS CAN GO OFF SHIT..
That is utterly ridiculous lmao
June 8th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
Skeeter McGee says:
MJ would have scored 8 points playing with a blindfold…
And don’t try to defend LeBron on this one, because I am a Bron fan, but he played like a straight up b*tch…
June 8th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
K Dizzle says:
Why are clowns postin that Jason Terry needs to STFU?
Naw, you need to take your keyboard and make it 2 pieces over your head cuz y’all don’t even understand.
All day yesterday, they were rippin on Jet on every radio show, every talkin head sportsshow:
“Why you wanna wake up the beast?” “Jason Terry said what? Lebron stopped him in game 1 and 3, but can’t do it all 7 games?” “He needs to STFU. LBJ is the best in the world”
Dude was laughed at and clowned. Guess what? All the talent in the world don’t give you heart. JT got heart. Dude had two more buckets than Lebron did in the 4th so put that in your pipe and smoke it! Shit, I wish he woulda talked more. Everytime Jet caught the ball in the 4th quarter, he was takin Lebron. Everytime. Drivebys, dimedrops, floaters. In the 4th quarter!
@ jswizzle and F&F
y’all need to stop clownin yourselves. There’s goin the other way on an argument and there’s just somedays you leave shit alone.
Lebron James is on a milk carton right now.
Can you even imagine Kobe, Mike, Tim Duncan, shit Gilbert Arenas when he was healthy get called out by a randon reporter sayin “You seemed to shrink away in the 4th”.
Then have an opponent say “Dude stopped me twice but he won’t do it all series”. Then have DESHAWN PHUCKIN STEVENSON come with the “Miami ain’t that good defensively. Portland was better. Miami just got good schemes”
Maaaaaaaaaaan. All that trash bein spewed. Mike….Kobe…
Gilbert go for 60, straight smashmode. Tim puts up 30, 20, 8 with 7 blocks.
That performance was embarrassin. As much as I think Lebron’s a bitch, I fully expected him to smash last night. I was watchin that press conference after game 3 when he replied back to that reporter and covered his mouth like: “Damn, this reporter just ended Dallas’s season. How you gonna piss off ‘The best player in the world’ during the Finals?” I guess not.
Can we put this Lebron vs. Kobe vs. Mike thing to bed now?
That was a Finals game. Dude went 3-11 with 4 turnovers and didn’t get a single point in the 4th quarter. Mario Chalmers was shootin. Mike Miller was shootin. UD was chuckin. Lebron didn’t even try to get to the free throw line. There’s not scoring and there’s not even bein aggressive. If the Heat wanted Andre Iguodala near-triple-double numbers, they wouldn’t have signed a dude with career averages of 27-7-7…
Like Lakeshow said “He nutted up….but we really are used to it”
June 8th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
Skeeter McGee says:
@ Austin
Notice how MJ wasn’t on that list… If people are going to “crown” the self-proclaimed “King” then he better step the fuck up.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
dapro says:
Those defending Lebron are missing the point, I’m not one to go off numbers in Game 4, it was his lack of effort and focus during that game. Funny how he has been praised for “lockdown” D but Jet drove to the basket twice for layups in the fourth after calling Bron out.
I will admit he takes alot of unneccesary critisim but in some cases, the critisim is valid. I stand by my belief that Dwade is the better player simply because he uses his god given tools and abilities better than Lebron. Dwade sets the tone for the Heat, his numbers usually result in Wins.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Krayzie says:
All great players have had bad games in the finals….LeBron has had 2 or 3 this finals and 4 when he got swept in 2007 – didn’t he shoot like 37% in that series?
June 8th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
K Dizzle says:
Question: WTF does “ONLY TWO GUYS CAN GO OFF” even mean?
I grew up on Larry-McHale-DJ or Parish,
Magic-Kareem-Worthy, Duncan-Ginobili-Parker, Garnett-Allen-Pierce, Dr.J-Moses-Andrew Toney, HARDAWAY-RICHMOND-MULLIN!
The more I read that bs about “only 2 guys can go off”, the more I gotta ask if some dudes actually hoop or just watch it on tv. If Bosh doesn’t hit that jumper in game 3, Miami loses. In tryin to defend Lebron’s terrible game, the arguments are comin off as soft. Y’all makin it worse…
June 8th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Reminds me of how Kobe had that game 7 last year when he couldnt put the ball in the ocean.. everyone talk MAD shit about that game
BUT???
Who scored 10-13 points in the 4th quarter of that game??
Thats right lol i hate to bring that up but thought it was a solid example of a superstar coming through when it mattered most and saying fuck the 1st 3 quarters..
June 8th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
First & Foremost says:
At least he didn’t pull a kobe and attempt to shoot his team out of the game. I don’t have his shot chart up but he made 3 shots – 1 being a put back and another on a breakaway. So he was 1 for 9 everywhere else but you want him to do what he did in game 2 and not pass Wade the ball when Wade was having a better game… Okay. Yeah, because we all were praising his decision to that the next day. It was the same situation but this time he passed the ball.
Just like earlier in his career. He drives the lane, kicks it out to an open 3 point shooter. Shot misses and Lebron lost the game for not having the balls to take the last shot. Very next game, last possession, he looks off everyone, travels in the lane, pump fakes, spins, lay up with 4 defenders on him bounces out, “Oh he should have passed the ball since he gets so much attention, he needs to trust his teammates.”
He could throwaway a used condom and people say he is harming the environment. Yet, if he puts it in the recycle bin that shit is nasty.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
dagwaller says:
Can’t believe that I’m saying this, but:
Dirk didn’t have that great of a game last night. This wouldn’t count as a “Flu Game” because he didn’t really do that well. He came through in the 4th and he started on fire…in between it was garbage haha.
And I’m still worried about LeBron. Remember the Bulls series, when everyone was doubting Wade while anointing LeBron? Nothing’s changed, just good coaching.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
LakeShow84 says:
@ KDizzle
That shits a cop out lmao
If only 2 players can REALISTICALLY go off WHY THE FUCK THEY SIGN 3 SUPERSTARS????
GTFFOOOOHHHHHHHHH
June 8th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
karmatic says:
did u see LEBRON flop in the 2nd period? prime soccer move, would have earned him a yellow card (telling the nba refs to start calling technical fouls on the bad actors can’t happen too soon IMO). MAYBE lebron hurt himself so bad with that swoon(‘my elbow’) he was useless the rest of the game…or maybe he’s just a douche who can’t accept the consequences of his ‘decision’ to go somewhere that dwade is the man (and a much better flopper too, as his 2006 championship ring attests)
June 8th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
LakeShow84 says:
@ F&F
i dont understand where ur coming from..
DUDE lets not even mention the name..
Your SUPERSTAR had ZERO points in the 4th quarter.. YOUR SUPERSTAR didnt DRIVE the lane ONE TIME damn near looking for contact or his shot.. Your SUPERSTAR didnt block, steal or even make ONE solid defensive play with under 2 minutes left..
Fuck “well its a Rondo stat line”
Thats a SUPERSTAR.. Rondo aint billed as no SUPERSTAR.. Shit there is only a valid 5 in the NBA.. and this ONE SUPERSTAR is billed as the best in the NBA.. Recently compared to, arguably, the greatest of all time..
Like i said he was doing what coach asked him to do in facilitating but he had his spots.. and he backed down.. plain and simple..
I honestly doubt it will happen again.. but still there isnt any defending that shit..
I dont think anyone would even be talking about it AS MUCH if people already werent trying to defend dude like he played as best he could..
June 8th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
LakeShow84 says:
If im Lebron and my shot aint fallin???
Im crashing the boards TOUGH, im slashing creating distractions, im playing ALL OUT DEFENSE and giving HARD fouls when need be..
Why Wade out there as the last line of the defense?? he aint a front court player and if ANYONE can get there in time its Lebron..
Thats why Wade will always be better to me.. he dont care.. he dont care about missing.. how many even thought MAYBE Lebron didnt take a shot because he was AFRAID to take a shot?? Wade was BALLIN let him take the reigns is a cop out..
All that talent and SHEER PHYSCIAL presence and dude becomes a bystander?? impossible if it aint mental..
June 8th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
the cynic says:
@k dizzle
you’re acting like Jason Terry took over the game, he was still awful on the court. You have such low expectations for Terry that you thought he played well, when the reality is he just wasn’t terrible. This game he made a couple of floaters (big whoop), but his knees continued to buckle whenever he took a jump shot. Terry and Peja are long lost cousins from the choker family tree
June 8th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
da man says:
@ K Dizzle
Unless we’re all NBA players secretly posting comments, I think we’re all watching it on TV. I hope you’re not trying to compare your pickup games to the NBA. Unless you played D-1 or something.
I don’t see a problem with what Big Island said. All those threesomes you mentioned, I bet there were more games that one or two played well than all three at the same time.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Austin Burton says:
Bottom line, LeBron can’t win (public opinion) until he wins (championships). F&F is right; everything he does at this stage is going to be picked apart, whether it’s passing too much, not passing enough, passing in the clutch, shooting in the clutch, dancing during intros, posing after a big play, wearing shades indoors, etc.
How many people remember or mention that Magic Johnson got swept in the 1989 Finals? How many people remember that Larry Bird averaged like 13 points per game in the 1981 Finals? How many people forget that Michael Jordan missed A LOT of game-winning attempts and fourth-quarter shots? How many people remember that Kobe Bryant took his foot off the pedal in Game 7 of a playoff game in 2006? Even look at D-Wade: How many people remember that Wade was unable to get out of the 1st round from 2007 to 2010?
I would imagine that even LeBron’s most vigorous critics have to AT LEAST admit he’s a very very very good player. If they’re somewhat observant, they can see he’s a great player. It’s not really a fair situation – I’ve covered the over-importance of team success to an individual’s legacy before – but once he gets a ring or two, the negative will take a backseat to the positive.
June 8th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
First & Foremost says:
@ Lakeshow & K Dizzle
You sign a 3rd player so that if 1 doesn’t perform up to his standards hopefully the other 2 make up for it. As for the examples above, those are complementary peices. Wade-Lebron-Bosh are all expected to average 25+ each. Manu-TD-TP can have stat lines of 17 & 7 and be praised for the harmony. Even though 1 of them comes off the bench.
Peirce-Allen-KG all bring something different. Once again you;ll have a game where KG scores 12 but Allen & Peirce get a combined 42. Big whoop, 54 points yet how many times have Miami’s stars combined for 60+ or 70+
Also, you guys are being oblivious to the fact that once Dallas went to their zone in the 4th… no one was getting to the rim. Wade had 1 dunk because Tyson switched on him during an inbounds play. Did you expect Lebron to keep shooting even though he was having an off night, in a tight game, where Wade had 30 and Bosh was knocking down shots early on? When was Lebron suppose to get his? Wade took over the game but we are talking about why Lebron didn’t take the game over from Wade. All season long he gets clowned for not being there in the 4th, but in the Finals he has to just magically get it done?
June 8th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
K Dizzle says:
@ Lakeshow – Grown ass men strugglin today. It’s like their faith got shaken or somethin lol.
Hurts em to say, ‘Yeah, Lebron had a bad game’
Instead it’s like “Kobe had a bad game in sacramento like 2 years ago” LMAO!!!!
Sacramento? When did they ever beat us?
C’mon people! Sporty-J the biggest Miami fan out here n even he sees it. It was a bad game. We hearin Lebron James is the best player in the world right now. Stop makin excuses for 8-9-7 on 3-11 and hope he busts out next game, that’s all (Lookin at you F&F)
ps Stevenson back at it again:
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/news/story?id=6641556
June 8th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
kp says:
@ Lakeshow and K Dizzle
Just because you guys CAPITALIZE words and say GTFOH and use ???? a lot, doesn’t make what you say fact.
June 8th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
LakeShow84 says:
@ AB
It comes with the territory.. now u know how Laker fans feel about the Kobe hate.. And honestly wait until he gets one or 2 rings.. it wont matter.. people STILL going to have something to say..
But dont act like it aint warranted and dude is dealing with something NO ONE ELSE DEALS WITH.. hes a superstar.. Remember how critisized Peyton Manning was before he won a championship??
Comes with the territory and u put up or shut up.. i guess shutting up would be playing like last night LOL
@ F&F
The zone DEFINETELY befuddled them lol
But that aint the point the whole reason everyone pushed Lebron even higher on the ladder was because OH YEAH his jumper has been more CONSISTENT in the 4th this year.. Dude was bombing Chicago AND EVERYONE GAVE HIM HIS PROPS.. myself included
Everyone took a back seat and said “shit he just MIGHT BE”
So dont act like hes been critisized the whole time leading up to the Finals.. he was PRAISED.. shit by all account before the Finals started this was LEBRONS TEAM HANDS DOWN..
U realize dude is 0-for whatever from 3 in the Finals in the 4th quarter???
but oh im just nitpicking LMAO
Lebron James, Dwayne Wade and Kobe Bryant are the best players in the NBA.. they get BUCKETS.. they run offenses.. they MAKE PLAYS.. They are PLAYMAKERS..
there is no excuses.. Magic, MJ and Barkeley playing together u dont think MJ and Magic running ROUGHSHOD on people all Finals long in the 4th??
And best believe Magic OR MJ even with a streaky J wouldve shot ONE, 1 jumper in the 4th if the zone had them stumped..
June 8th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
Big Island says:
All I am saying is that when Bosh scores 10, it’s because Wade and Lebron get 20+, why isn’t it the other way around? I want Lebron to play terribly, I never crowned him the GOAT, but it was one game. One.
KDizzle – Bird was the only great player in Boston. McHale, Parish, DJ, all took a back seat, and saying they are all time greats is unfair to the other great players. Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Scott. It was Magic’s team, and he always had games where he didn’t score more than 15. And every guy led the team in scoring at some point. Duncan was the man, Manu and Parker complimented him. Mullin, Richmond and Hardaway played on a team coached by Don Nelson where EVERYONE averages 30 but give up 32. I see what you’re saying, but the situations are not at all the same. Lebron had a bad game on a big stage, he doesn’t help himself by being an ass, but he’s not a shitty player. I’ll even go so far as to say you take Lebron over every single guy on your list of examples other than Magic, Bird, Kareem and Duncan.
June 8th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
Krayzie says:
There’s no reason why LeBron couldn’t cut to the basket or come off screens when the ball wasn’t in his hand or atleast put himself in a position to score. He was just standing and watching his team play from the 3pt line. Get in offensive rebounding position if you don’t want the ball, do something to help your team.
And for the last time, his D is sooo overrated….he gets beat by his man a lot unless he is playing 4 ft off them ala Derrick Rose. His chase down blocks on guards 8 inches shorter than him have people praising his defence. When anyone can see by actually watching a Heat game that Wade is the best defender on the team, as well as offensive player and his hustle/heart/desire is unmatched!
June 8th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Krayzie says:
And Wade came form the other side off the court and almost got Dirk’s layup, he was a split second late. He has a higher IQ than LeBron, he knows that Dirk is taking that shot and completely leaves his man to make a play on the ball. Even if Dirk passes to Wade’s guy, an open jumpshot has a lower % to go in than a Dirk layup, he played the law of averages which is the smart thing to do. LeBron didn’t close out on Dirk and “witnessed” him lay it in.
I Hate Miami!!! but gimme Wade anyday over LeBron!
June 8th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Austin Burton says:
@KDizzle — I wouldn’t play the Kobe card too hard today. Just saying, LeBron has two wins over the team that swept Kobe.
June 8th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
K Dizzle says:
@ Austin – you full of shit, bruh. REAL basketball fans know why Magic and the Lakers got swept in 89. Injuries come to mind? You think everybody on this site 16? Do better next time.
@ cynic – Jason Terry took over Lebron and that’s all that matters, son. He came out and said Lebron wasn’t gonna hold him all series, he got laughed at, then he came out and stepped up huge in the 4th quarter of a must-win game, makin big shots, nailin clutch freethrows to seal it. Since when is hittin tough shots in a finals game in the 4th quarter a “BIG WHOOP”? Weak reply. You rippin Jet for takin and makin the shots Lebron didn’t even try with 38 yr old JKidd on him???? See how foolish you lookin right now? Your hate fails today, try again thursday.
@ da man
Really good post.
My only reply is while it may be true that only 2 of the 3 of my triples may have played well, it was never the guy who was supposed to be the best of the 3 at the time.
Austin posted a list of hall-of-famers WITH rings except for dirk who had a bad game here or there. Most of those guys were past their prime.
None of those guys were EVER CALLED OUT for shrinkin in the 4th quarter in a game, then ACTUALLY SHRINKIN AWAY the next game.
I’m lovin this shit Lebron has ONE REALLY BAD GAME n the defenders try to make it somethin its not.
We can do this all day, but it don’t change the fact that Lebron didn’t show up when it mattered. He don’t even have the 4 assists he had in game 3 to fall back on. He just didn’t show up. Dude got a pass from DWade, under the basket and didn’t even think about goin up. He flipped it to Bosh who wasn’t expectin it and….turnover.
And point blank, if he played for my Lakers and had a game like that, I’d shit on him even more. You the best in the world. It’s the Finals. You got JKidd on you. Your team needs aggression. Nuthin…
June 8th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
LakeShow84 says:
“There’s no reason why LeBron couldn’t cut to the basket or come off screens when the ball wasn’t in his hand or atleast put himself in a position to score. He was just standing and watching his team play from the 3pt line. Get in offensive rebounding position if you don’t want the ball, do something to help your team.”
But i cosign Big Island
It was just ONE game.. but can everyone stop acting like dude DID ALL HE COULD??
Thats the main arguement..
NO one is saying Lebron isnt shit.. thats RETARDED.. we are saying he didnt show up last night.. there IS NO ARGUING THAT..
All this started because F&F said that “Well it was Rondo stat line, what more could u want??”
UMmmmmmmm ask Sporty J.. YOU WANT UR SUPPOSED “BEST PLAYER” to do SOMETHING in the 4th.. SOMETHING.. just dont become a spectator..
No one is saying ANYTHING about Lebrons legacy or even his overall career.. he just played like shit last night and AHEM according to DeShaun Stevenson, checked out last night..
And if that dont get Lebron going.. nothing will lol
June 8th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Austin Burton says:
@LakeShow84 — “Dude was bombing Chicago AND EVERYONE GAVE HIM HIS PROPS. myself included … So dont act like hes been critisized the whole time leading up to the Finals. he was PRAISED. shit by all account before the Finals started this was LEBRONS TEAM HANDS DOWN.”
That gets at my point. I already said I’m not defending LeBron’s game last night; he played bad. But I hate the people who are using last night to say, “See, I told you D-Wade was better! This is D-Wade’s team, always has been!”
Two weeks ago those same people were either declaring it was LeBron’s team, or they were silent while waiting for LBJ to slip so they could crown Wade.
The truth? It’s not LeBron OR Wade’s team. They share the title. Sometimes LBJ will do the heavy lifting, sometimes Wade. And sometimes Bosh. Neither LeBron or Wade is WAY better than the other. Why is that so hard for people to accept?
June 8th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
LakeShow84 says:
@ AB
That was a weak statement..
“2 wins over the team that swept the Lakers”
As a basketball fan u should know better.. thats all ill say..
oh and Kobe got 5 rings.. Lebron cant even decorate his pinky while Kobe fullfisted out here *SNICKER SNICKER*
June 8th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Shit Kobe got 2 FINALS MVPS off the teams that handed Lebron his ass in the lesser rounds the past 2 years lol
#justsayin
June 8th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
First & Foremost says:
@K Dizzle – I don’t have a dog in this fight but Sporty-J and Leroy Green both quit on their team. Look at the comments after game 3. Truth be told – I want Dallas to win. I just chose this side of the debate today.
Lebron could post Chuck Hayes triple doubles for all I care, I’m sure he will sleep easy and his hairline will receed a little more as his counts his millions and makes more business moves.
He had a bad game and his team lost by 3. You act like Chalmers was knocking down shots. You act like Haslem wasn’t fouling. You act like Joel wasn’t in foul trouble. The Superstar played like trash and his team lost by 3. Bosh catches a pass and Wade hits that free throw and then we talk about overtime. It didn’t happen like that, the stock market falling and the Heat losing was all that one Superstar’s fault.
June 8th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Austin Burton says:
@LakeShow — You’re absolutely right about Kobe, I’m just saying THIS isn’t the year to promote Kobe as the ultimate winner who always steps up in the clutch. But I was just taking a dig at the L.A. fans, nothing serious. You know where that’s coming from LOL.
June 8th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
LakeShow84 says:
They lost by 3..
If Lebron scores 4 points during one of those 5-6 turnover possessions the Heat win..
Is 2 buckets really too much to ask of your SUPERSTAR in a whole quarter??
June 8th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
K Dizzle says:
@ Austin – “@KDizzle — I wouldn’t play the Kobe card too hard today. Just saying, LeBron has two wins over the team that swept Kobe.”
@ AB – If Lebron keeps playin like Pau Gasol, Jason Terry can keep that tat on his arm. If Barea/Peja woulda played like that against LA, we’d still be playin.
Cosign what Lakeshow said – Check the posts. You haven’t once heard “Lebron James is a scrub”. What you’ve heard is “We expect better from one of the top 3 players in the world”
If I woulda told you after the ECFs that in the Finals, Wade would have 32, Bosh had 24 and the Heat still lost, what would your assumption be? Either Dallas lit them up or Lebron missed the game….
June 8th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
LakeShow84 says:
I dont even have a stake in this Finals..
If Dallas wins they beat the Heat, whom i personally dislike on a ethics scale lol but id LOVE to see Wade continue the play and bring it home..
IF Miami wins they beat the Mavs, whom i personally despise after fucking off our 3peat BUT id love to see Dirk get his.. he deserves it and wont be appreciated without it..
I dont care either way..
@ AB
LOL hold those digs bruh..
June 8th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
LakeShow84 says:
@ Dizz
Tell me everytime Terry or Barea brick that semifinals dont come to mind..
JVG even keeps bringing it up CONSTANTLY.. “thats the exact same shot Barea was hitting on the Lakers”
Everytime i see them brick i smirk.. FUCKERS lol
June 8th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
K Dizzle says:
@ F&F
I get what you sayin. Maybe just the wrong day cuz it looked so bad for Lebron last night.
I’m not an in-denial Laker fan. I know the Heat are HEAVY favorites. You got 2 of the top 3 players in the world and Bosh turnin it on at times, Dallas is severely overmatched. It speaks to the heart of players vs talent. It’s not the end of the world and I PRAY it goes 7 cuz this shit is entertaining. All I’m sayin is last night’s loss is squarely on lebron’s shoulders. If you the G.O.A,T. in wins, then you can be the goat in losses…
And let’s be real for a second, did you think Sporty and Leroy were die-hard fans? never heard of one before the Decision and never heard of the other til the lakers were down 3-0 or 2-0 to Dallas….
@ kp – THANK YOU FOR YOUR INSIGHT. YOU BROUGHT MUCH TO TODAY’S DISCUSSION. IN MY HUMBLE OPINION!!!
June 8th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
Austin Burton says:
@KDizzle — I think it’s clear, even to LeBron’s biggest supporters, that LeBron didn’t show up like he needed to last night. However, that’s only because he is held to a superstar standard. I think if Jason Kidd posted 8 points, 9 boards and 7 dimes, it wouldn’t be this huge story that takes up 40% of SportsCenter about how Kidd “shrunk from the moment.” Same goes for a few star PG’s across the League, including Rondo, Chauncey, maybe Nash and Parker. And LeBron was basically playing PG last night. My other issue is that even if LeBron had scored 32 but he’d missed that big free throw at the end and nearly turned the ball over on Miami’s last possession (like Wade), he would still be getting blamed for the loss.
June 8th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Sighs
Jason Kidd is fucking 48 years old tho AB lol
I think the media is just USED to the bouncebacks from the OLD greats..
Like Dizz said JUST LAST GAME Lebron was getting 4th quarter questions and the VERY NEXT GAME?? 0 points??? WTF??
Thats WAYYYYYYYYY against the grain there..
June 8th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
K Dizzle says:
@ AB – that would be a GREAT GAME from 38 yr old JKidd, but nobody comparin JKidd to Magic anymore. In his prime, he’d catch heat for an 8-9-7 statline. To cosign your point, Kidd had 0 points, and 4 turnovers, not forced turnovers, just threw the rock away 4 times.
Point of all this is that Lebron comes back tomorrow and puts up a 30-20-10 statline, there’ll be 50 new posters and 20 reporters callin him the greatest of all time again. I try not to get caught up in all that. When Lebron James retires and his jersey gets lifted, then I’ll do the historical comparison. Right now, he needs to understand that every bad playoff game he has is gonna be used to try to tear at his legacy…
I fully expect him to rain destruction all over whoever the Mavs put on him tomorrow, and I don’t even mean 60 points. I mean like 22 pts, 14 assists, 12 boards, 4 blocks, 4 steals, 3-5 from 3. I fully expect it. If he comes close, he’ll back up what his fans are sayin. If he doesn’t…
June 8th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Big Island says:
Austin – He;s held to a superstar standard because he’s a superstar. If Chalmers had that night it would be impressive. Lebron had a shit game. That’s all it is. He had a shit game at almost the worst possible time. If handled himself like less of a superstar it wouldn’t be nearly as bad. Dirk has the same game and the outcry wouldn’t be as bad because he doesn’t carry himself like he is the man. He didn’t do any of the crap that Lebron has done. So yeah, it was a bad game because he’s held to a different standard, but he brings a ton of that on himself.
I think what everyone agrees on is that 1) Lebron played like smelly, hairy balls last night. 2) Lebron is a really, really good player. 3) If he saved my dog from a burning building, I wouldn’t be a Lebron fan, and I’ll never pull for the Heat to win (unless they play the Celtics) but it was one game. I hope it goes to game 7 and he has a WORSE game so it will really mean something.
Also, Austin, I might have to issue you a written apology for getting on you for saying everyone was fickle the other day. Jesus. Even Sporty J has turned on his boy. Dirk could go 0-40 in game 7 and he’d still be my botfriend.
June 8th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
Sporty-j says:
Oh no yall not going to do this cry me a Lebron river today. Talk about how its unfair that if Wade would have done this or that and if Lebron would have done this or that. Things would have been different. You guys are not going to come on here and make 101 dalmation excuses for Lebron today. This is it and the Finals are here. His offensive performance did not set me off last night even though he was not trying at all and passing the ball to Mike freaking Miller. That just stand there and watch Dirk make the layup was a bit&# move. It seems like from ever since Wade started saying I am the leader and Captain. Hes been acting like a bit&#. If hes playing to many minutes. He needs to say something. If hes mad that after the game 3 victory that Wade went over to Haslem and hugged him first and his feelings are hurt. He needs to say something. If he wants to win the Finals MVP he
needs to say something. I dont care who makes all the shots in the 4th or who team the media calls it. All I care about is championships and for Lebron to pull that no effort at all B.S. in the most important game of his life. Makes him look like a douche and as if hes Jealous that Wade was getting his shine on. You guys always talk about how critics are unfair towards Lebron and “if” it was this player it would be different. Lebron is not no other player in the league. Has been forced down everybodys throat since H.S. Has sucked up all the accolades and hype the media has given him that some feel he does not deserve especially with his attitude. Than when things go bad hes always pointed the finger, cried he did not have enough help, and has always had apologist to make excuses for him. The guy is the most hyped player in sports history and has no Jewelry on his fingers to validate it and you guys are crying unfair? Wade did not do no decision show like a high school recruit and just announced what he was going to do last summer with Bosh like a professional is suppose to just do. Now hes got people watching him who dont even watch basketball to see what he is going to do. And hes pulling publicity stunts?
June 8th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Austin Burton says:
This does remind me of the point I argued a while back after one of those days where people were getting on Kobe for shooting too much: Why is shooting/scoring such a huge focus when there are so many facets of basketball that are just as important?
LeBron was only shitty last night in the scoring department. Otherwise, he put up 9 rebounds, 7 assists and 2 steals, and it’s not like he was bad defensively. By every definition, he played a great “floor game.” But because he only scored 8 points on a stage he usually scores 20-30 points, it’s been labeled an across-the-board shitty performance. If LeBron had truly played bad overall, Miami wouldn’t have lost by 3, they would have been blown out. He’s too important to what they do to play bad across the board and get away with a 3-point loss.
June 8th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Skeeter McGee says:
Sporty-J
Co-sign everything you wrote regarding LeBron. To add on to your point, this is a classic case of us making him the man before he was even a man. By that, I mean the Sports Illustrated covers and all the hype when he was in H.S. fed the ego of the King to have self-entitlement before even sniffing a real title. You know what happens when everybody loves you for being something you’re not (the “next GOAT”)? Pressure mounts, and then the kinks in the armour show.
Am I saying LeBron is just another dude; no, not at all. All I am saying is when everyone hugs his nuts all the time, it’s easy for him to think that everything he does is right. And the way he played last night is a classic example of people expecting him to do something great every time, and him not being to withstand that pressure. As far as I’m concerned, he’s just a great, great talent, but never will be a great leader.
And isn’t that what separates the superstars from the all-time greats…?
June 8th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
LakeShow84 says:
@ AB
Because his team needed points in the 4th quarter.. and u do whatever ur teams needs u to do to win in the 4th quarter..
Not attempt zero FG’s..
And how many boards did get in the last couple of minutes?? assists?? Did he LOCKDOWN JT????
Shitty game..
June 8th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Skeeter McGee says:
@ Austin Burton
You’re putting too much weight on the numerical value as opposed to what his numbers SUGGEST. What it suggests is that he lost all aggressiveness and did not want to cut and attack the basket. With someone who can get to the rim at will, he looked like a better-passing version of Peja out there, just chillin on the 3-point line the whole time, during stretches of the game when his team needed him to be aggressive. I thought you of all people would know its not about the numbers, but the numbers don’t lie…
June 8th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
LakeShow84 says:
“As far as I’m concerned, he’s just a great, great talent, but never will be a great leader.
And isn’t that what separates the superstars from the all-time greats…?”
I like that.. something has to separate them.. that could be a solid factor right there..
June 8th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Big Island says:
I’m calling “fake Sporty-J” on comment 110. Unless he lost a ton of money betting Heat in 5 or winning last night’s game.
June 8th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
LakeShow84 says:
Sporty J did touch on someting tho..
Its only been 2 games BUT
Ever since Wade said he was the leader on National television LBJ hasnt been the same..
June 8th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
LakeShow84 says:
“Last summer when James had to contemplate what went wrong in a season during which he was sure he was getting his first title, he had to face the facts of that Game 5 nightmare. Then he fairly could say his teammates weren’t able to pick him up, they’d “died down in the moment” as James said two weeks ago. On Tuesday, Wade and Bosh combined to score 56 points. The Heat’s defense held Dallas to less than 40 percent shooting and just 41 points in the second half. The Heat lost because James died down in this moment in the same strange way he did a year ago.”
SNICKER SNICKER
June 8th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Skeeter McGee says:
@LakeShow
I wrote that because nowadays the term superstar is thrown around like the word “diva” is thrown around in the music business. It’s the intangibles that make you an all-time great, and right now I don’t see Lebron doing much in that category…
June 8th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
Big Island says:
Austin, Lebron gets those other numbers WITH 30 points every night. He’s not some Willy Lumplump out there. If he would’ve had 17 boards and 17 assists, then it would’ve been a good game where he just didn’t score. He’s in his 8th year, he averages 28, 7 and 7 for his career. It was a bad game. So he got 2 rebounds above his average, but take 20 points off of the table. No matter how you slice it, it was a bad game for him.
June 8th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
CLAW says:
Game 5 is it, Mavs win they have a solid chance of taking it, they lose they are done!
What will Lebron do? I think he goes off gets near 30 and Wade and Bosh drop off in scoring and they lose to the Mavs as Dirk and JT go off and Chandler puts up another double double.
You can’t have two guys have it be their “team”, there is no sharing. Somebody needs to be the alpha and Wade has established that and has gotten in Lebron’s face to get his shit going and he’s wilting. If Wade takes a back seat I think it throws them off their game and it could get twisted.
June 8th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
CLAW says:
@AB: Blasphemy on Bird’s Numbers (his rookie year compared to Bron’s 8th year)
AVERAGED: 15 Points, 15 Boards, 7 Assists, 2 Steals and shot 50% from the 3 point line (alright was only 1 of 2)
June 8th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
Chicagorilla says:
Did I hear this right
Lebron has shot less FTs than Bosh, Dirk, and Wade in the 4 finals games?
That’s flucking amazing. Seriously I have no idea how that could even happen. With all the touch fouls he gets, i figured dude to be at the FT line all playoffs. I wonder if it would be too easy for MIA if they give both Lebron and Wade all their usual foul calls. Maybe thats why.
June 8th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Chicagorilla says:
Yeah I just checked and Lebron was shooting 9 freethrows per game during this years playoffs
Now in the Finals he’s shooting 3.5 FTs per game?
Yeh something is really wrong with that….
Wade was shooting 8.6 Fts per game during the playoffs
which Wade is now shooting 7.5 fts per game in the finals
Bosh was shooting 6.3 fts per game during the playoffs
and Bosh is shooting 7.2 fts per game in the finals
I’d be very suprised if Lebron doesn’t somehow avg 15 fts per game the next 3 games of the series.