NBA / Jul 29, 2011 / 3:15 pm

Final Destination: NBA Legends Facing Down Father Time

Ray Allen

Ray Allen, Dime #11

But what about next year? How will some of these old-timers play? Will the fall off? Do they have one year left in them? I did some research and tried to match the players up with guys from the past who are most comparable. The one thing about all of these players that separates them from the others? They’ve had no major injuries. Nicks here and there, but nothing really major, just the type of injuries you would expect from players who are nearly 15 years in the league.

Kobe Bryant: 33 years old (as of next season), 48,000+ minutes, 14 seasons
Dirk Nowitzki: 33 years old, 41,000+ minutes, 12 seasons
Steve Nash: 37 years old, 38,000+ minutes, 14 seasons
Paul Pierce: 34 years old (as of next season), 40,000+ minutes, 12 seasons
Ray Allen: 36 years old, 45,000+ minutes, 14 seasons

I took one comparison and tried to match up the minutes played. For example, Bryant has amassed 48,000 minutes. MJ didn’t reach that number until his final season in a Wizards’ uniform, so that’s the season I will be comparing to…

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Ray Allen (2010-2011)- per 36 minutes: 16.5 ppg…3.4 rpg…2.7 apg…1.0 spg…49, 44 & 88 percentages
Reggie Miller (2002-2003)- per 36 minutes: 15.0 ppg…2.9 rpg…2.9 apg…1.1 spg…44, 36 & 90 percentages
It’s pretty obvious which way Allen is going. His numbers have been dropping every season since he came to Boston (with the slight exception of 2009, when KG was hurt). But if Miller is the blueprint, Allen should be fine. In Miller two final seasons after 2002-03, he saw his production drop (predictably) before rising back to nearly 17, 3 & 2.5 (per 36) in his final season at 39 years old. This might be because that happened to be the year Artest missed because of his suspension and the entire organization was in flux.

Still Allen should have at least two more years of the production he’s giving now considering he’s younger and probably an even better shooter than Miller ever was. With his numbers slightly down, but his shooting percentage is higher than it’s ever been, it’s obvious what’s happening with Jesus: he’s getting less shots, but the ones he IS getting are great looks.

Kobe Bryant (2010-2011)- per 36 minutes: 26.9 ppg…5.4 rpg…5.0 apg…1.3 spg…45, 32 & 83 percentages
Michael Jordan (2002-2003)- per 36 minutes: 19.5 ppg…5.9 rpg…3.7 apg…1.5 spg…45, 29 & 82 percentages

This is a tough comparison. Jordan was 39, turning 40, and retired after the season so Kobe is entering territory that not many perimeter players have ever gone to. The amazing thing about Bryant’s year last season was while his averages were down, so were his minutes. Per 36 minutes, he actually averaged the third-highest point total of his career (that’s either a good thing or a bad thing if you’re a Laker fan). Still, he fell off in the playoffs.

Actually, maybe a better comparison for Kobe is John Havlicek (53,000+ career minutes). The season he crossed Bryant’s minute barrier (48,000), Havlicek averaged (per 36) 17.2 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 4.9 apg with 45/82 percentages at 36 years old. The following season, his last, those numbers dropped slightly to 17, 4 & 4 with 45/86 percentages. That doesn’t tell us a whole lot besides Bryant’s numbers will probably drop slightly. Really, there is no way to tell what will happen with Kobe. He’s in uncharted waters to a degree for similar off guards. He could play one more great year and fall off or maybe slide into retirement. Who knows?

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  • Yucca Man

    You have to be very careful comparing anyone to Malone and Stockton. Even among the best of the best—virtually nobody played so well so old. They were almost absurd in their durability.

    That said, Stock vs. Nash is a reasonable comparison because Nash has already played at a high level much older than any other PG.

    But Malone vs. Dirk? When every post player ever besides Malone had significant decline in his mid 30′s, it would be a bit optimistic to look at the Mailman to predict Dirk’s decline.

  • hahn

    really cool article- its crazy to see how many minutes kobe has played and yet his production is still pretty high.

  • Dan Tanner

    yeah Kobe will be around until he literally loses an appendage. The guy will not quit and he shouldnt have to, he is still averaging over 25 pts a night and will be 33. Bryant will probably play at a high level until 35, I would say he has 2, maybe 3 years left in him of high level play. It will be sad to see a player like Bryant drop off, he is truly one of the all time bests and there has not been a played since Jordan that achieved his success and did the incredible things he did on the court.

  • http://www.dimemag.com panchitoooo

    lately ive been trying to make my game more efficient so that i can still ball hard when im older. at the moment my legs are still pretty fresh but its never to late to prepare for the future.

    ive been working on things like change of speeds and change of dribbling tempo as well. im trying to do more with my two step after i pick up my dribble and really work on my triple threat, jab steps, pump fakes, and pivot footwork. i believe if i can master these fundamental techniques i can dominate on the court over the next 15 years. oh and ive been running alots of pick and rolls lately trying to get used to quick decision making and on the spot passing. hope you guys step your game up too…

  • Ozone

    The Sports Guy wrote virtually the same article almost 6 months ago.

  • King

    When he dies i think we’ll find out that John Stockton was an alien. Same thing with Kevin Garnett

  • Russ M

    82 game season is a marathon. 52 games would be to the benefit of both the players & the fans. And, yes, I’m totally aware that this will never even be considered.

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