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Steve Nash Is All Alone In Phoenix; Utah Is For Real

Tim Duncan (photo. adidas)

Okay, so he does have Marcin Gortat (24 points, 15 rebounds). But other than that, Steve Nash is the last man standing in Phoenix. Last year, it looked like their deep trips into the postseason were over. Now, the fast-breaking, free-wheeling style is a thing of the past as well. We felt like we were watching ghosts in San Antonio yesterday. San Antonio beat Phoenix 102-91 in a game that would’ve mattered back in 2006. Now, it almost felt like Gregg Popovich wasn’t even taking it seriously. San Antonio controlled throughout, and even when the Suns made their run, he didn’t flinch. The minute he brought back in the starters for the finish, the Spurs regained control and shut down Nash and the Suns. If you can’t make this San Antonio defense pay, then you have some serious problems. Even Popovich would admit that. Alvin Gentry was caught in the huddle saying “We gotta do it like we used to.” Therein lays the problem. Grant Hill, Jared Dudley and Hakim Warrick can’t “do it like they used to.” Eight minutes in, Nash (20 points, 10 dimes) had zero assists while, for comparisons sake, Richard Jefferson had four. At one point, Phoenix was 3-17 in the second quarter … The Spurs had one of their best all-around performances of the season, and Tim Duncan had unquestionably his best game of the year, going for 24 points and 11 rebounds. At one point in the first half, he also passed Gary Payton on the all-time scoring list … Winning seven of eight against scrub teams is one thing. But beating Denver in the Mile High City is another. The Jazz blew away their in-division rivals in the fourth quarter, following the lead of their frontcourt in a 106-96 win. Utah took advantage of Denver on the blocks, and opened up an eight point lead in the fourth after Paul Millsap (26 points, 12 rebounds) went to work on two straight possessions. A few minutes later, Al Jefferson (18 points, 12 boards) threw Millsap a half-pass/half-lob and Millsap put it in over his shoulder. Big Al was so hyped, he gave Millsap a couple of really awkward ass slaps, the worst ones we’ve seen since Wally Szczerbiak. This all came during a stretch that saw Millsap go for 14 consecutive points, with Al Harrington and Danilo Gallinari (18 points) taking turns getting served … If Devin Harris (10 points, seven dimes yesterday and only one turnover… that’s all he needs to give them) can ever quit playing like a hungover high school kid, Utah could make some serious noise just a year after losing a Hall of Fame coach, and their best player since the glory days. But in the meantime, let’s file a petition to make sure the Jazz never wear those crap green uniforms again. Nasty green and dirt yellow should never be combined. Look out six months from now for No. 25 Jefferson jerseys in this color on the racks at Marshalls … Keep reading to hear why Lamar Odom almost retired …

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  • http://www.psychodrama.com Chicagorilla

    I posted this in the last Smack but i feel the need to post it here again

    @BNews

    Come on man. one day you’re tearing apart Derrick Rose saying that Monta Ellis is a better PG than him, then the next you’re saying how you called it that he’d be MvP. Then the next you’re saying there’s no way he’s the MvP. Kyle Lowry has a few good games and you claim you saw this coming. Kobe scores 40pts in 4 str8 games and you knew it was coming. Knicks are sucking dyck but you don’t care because you knew Melo would be putting up MVP-like numbers. make up your damn mind, and stay there.

    Also, no matter what convo we’re having, you make the claim that “I called that days/weeks ago when I said blah blah blah”. Here’s a thought, try coming up with a prediction or proclamation that is different from ESPN or the Media.

    Try predicting these
    Who will win Rookie of the Year in 2012?
    Who will win the Championship in 2012?
    What team will have the best NBA record?
    Who WILL win MvP (not maybe or have a case)?
    What will the 2012 All star rosters be?
    Who will win Coach of the Year?
    Who will be the most improved player?

    Give us an direct answer on all these. Don’t give us 2 or 3 different guys so when one of them win you can claim “I told you so.” Give us your exact predictions.

  • beiber newz

    random thought, i think this year’s rookie-sophomore game may be a can’t miss.

  • http://Www.bridgeheadstudio.com Sonic Reducer

    Smack is back, Smack is back, Smack is back!!! :D

    I hope it’s permanent!

  • beiber newz

    chicagorilla, i answered you in the last place you posted this. ummm, is the reason you posted this twice to make sure i see it? or to make it a public affair? and i mentioned i didn’t like your tone, not that i am trying to tell you how to speak, but just because i’m trying to continue on my straight path of peace and chill-ness. lemme know if you wanna be civil. if not, i’d rather not get in too deep into what seems like something where the both of us will just be going at each other’s throat.

  • http://www.psychodrama.com Chicagorilla

    @Bnews

    That’s fine if you aren’t going to answer any of the questions, but then you should also cool out on the “predictions” that aren’t really predictions since every media outlet is already saying the same thing and the ” I told you so’s” where you are correct about 1 out of 5 things that you predicted.

  • beiber newz

    hey take a look at this page chica:
    i’ve always been a stout supporter of kobe’s production. look at the 1st comment. http://dimemag.com/2011/09/93155/

    btw, i found numerous pages of me supporting the lakers as well as kobe while looking back at several articles. so i have a bunch of ammunition right now.

    ammunition sounds like an offensive word, but i am just using it to mean i have claims to support me when you mentioned if i “predicted kobe’s 40 point binge.” altho no1 culd predict when a player wuld go on a scoring streak like that, i did however believe in kobe’s superstar nature when many people on the site were predicting his demise due to old age, bad coach, minimal help around him.

    also taKE a look at post #21..it was in september…when i was still one of the more liked people by every one here. funny but sometime around november or december i transformed into the most hated figure here. but i want people to realize i got wrongly judged and that “beiber being annoying” thing is a newborn thing that has carried on for the past couple months to the point where people NOW believe i’ve been that annoying guy since i made my way on this site.

    i always thought i was a chill dude here. but i think something happened in the month of december where people won’t let go of it to the point where people now think i’ve always been a douche. some1 save me.

  • beiber newz

    about derrick rose and monta…i never said monta was a better pg, i said i like what monta did passing wise over rose. two different things.

    as for lowry: im not entirely sure i ever said i saw this coming from him. what i did say was that lowry has been producing like he is now for the 2nd half of last season. i said that because you mentioned his play this season sounding like a new thing. i brought up last season to probe at the fact he was already on the cusp. and this season he is solidifying his play from last yr.

    speaking on the knicks mention: i never said i didn’t care about the knicks team-wise. i been on record as saying billups leaving was huge because it’s like the teacher leaving a classroom and the students run rampant, going crazy. or in the knicks case, taking wild shots. i always stated i wanted their cohesion back. i even said their defense wasn’t good. also i think it was you that i told that they need time to gel. that greg poppovich called these games televised-practices. and we should give the knicks time before condemning them. i acknowledged their wrongs, but you seem to think all i focus on is melo as an mvp.

    i’ve been on record here for already saying i think the lakers will win.

    but i find it weird that you want me to predict awards as if i made myself some sort of psychic. all i do is make claims on the stuff i believe just like any sports talker does. in sports, people talk about who they think will win a game. people talk about how they think a certain team will do, how a certain coach would fair, how a certain trade will work out..etc. just because i made claims in the past, does not mean i proclaimed myself a psychic, so you asking me to predict a bunch of things catches me off guard.

    yes, i know i claimed many things such as me thinking melo will play like an mvp level player. what’s wrong with that? saying someone will play like an mvp is speaking more of the person as a worker. it speaks of them raising their talents. that’s all i did. i spoke of me believing melo now knows he is the main man on a franchise that gutted their franchise so he can lead them to the promised land. and i believed melo will fill in the big shoes needed to carry a woeful franchise to a deep playoff run. people mistook that for me saying melo will get the award, instead of understanding me saying he will raise his level of play, in affect play like a top notch player, aka like an mvp should.

    hope this did not sound too aggressive chicagorilla, i just wanted to write as clear as possible so there was no misunderstanding. i come in peace, and i hope if you choose to respond, you do so civilly man. don’t want to catch any heat.

  • Phileus

    “Criminally, this is definitely the worst thing he’s done since cutting MJ”

    Maybe that was supposed to be funny, but it was just stupid.

  • UncheckedAggression

    Damn it. Again? This conversation is going to happen again? Let this stuff go, please.

    Chi–I picked the Bulls as one of my league pass teams. I hope they’re worth it. I’m sure they’ll be more entertaining than my team.

  • beiber newz

    uchecked…i am just clarifying. i was provoked into it…i didn’t know what road i was going into. you’re right…i said i didn’t want to do this…but i just thought chicagorilla was owed some closure to his 1st comment. that’s all. if you notice how i responded the first time, i didn’t want to venture to this bs at all. i hear you. i just wanted bball talk.

  • K Dizzle

    @ Dime

    From CNNSI:
    All other storylines from the run-down house on Cowan Street pale in comparison with this one: The body of a 24-year-old woman was found this week in a shallow grave in the side yard, and the authorities say she was a homicide victim. As of Saturday morning the police in Wilmington, N.C., had yet to release her name, but they’d arrested a man named Andrew Bernard Adams and charged him with first-degree murder.
    The case became national news on Friday night, after the local media reported that Michael Jordan’s high school coach, Clifton (Pop) Herring, lived at the house where the body was found. Herring, profiled in this week’s issue of Sports Illustrated, himself had been arrested Thursday night, charged with resisting a public officer, and on Saturday morning he remained in jail in lieu of $300 bail. A police spokesman said Herring’s arrest appeared to have little or no connection with the body’s discovery.

    DO BETTER NEXT TIME…

  • JBaller

    Let’s just say what we’re thinking instead of constantly clarifying what we said in the past.

    I’m bummed the Nuggets lost. They needed this last home win before their 5 game road trip. I think it was just a let down loss after beating the Heat on Friday. They are no good on the road so they need to capitalize on every home game. The Jazz did play well and they’ve won some games lately. I think they came at Denver hard because they lost to them earlier. Nuggets have to get mentally tougher and not let down their intensity. To play as fast as coach Carl wants them to they need to go deeper into their bench to conserve energy. Plus their bench is deep as hell right now.

  • beiber newz

    ^got it.

  • http://www.psychodrama.com Chicagorilla

    http://dimemag.com/2012/01/dwight-howard-rewrites-history-kyrie-irving-wins-his-duel-with-steve-nash/
    Post #16
    January 13th, 2012 at 7:59 am

    beiber newz says:
    I think monta ellis has better pg skills than rose.

    If that’s not sayign that Monta is a better PG than Rose then i don’t know what is.
    and honestly if thats what you think and you have all the reasoning to back it up then fine I can at least respect that. But you don’t. you just spew random shyt each day you post on Smack.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7Er5TsQrGg alf (from melmak)

    Three things from the Utah-Denver game:

    1. Earl Watson can run a team. He is such an underrated point guard Late third quarter and the first half of the fourth quarter was thing of beauty.

    2. Alec Burks will be a special player. I know it is early but the upside is Kobe Brant and downside is Eddie Jones. Derrick Favors and Enes Kanter will be good players but Burks will be more important.

    3. Al Jefferson truly cares and is committed to winning.

    Anyway, here is a definition of “zero confidence” based from the New Orleans-Memphis game the other day.

    On a four-on-three break in the third quarter with Jarrett Jack having the ball, Gustavo Ayon running ahead of the pack flashes his hands and screaming at Jack to give him the ball. What did Jack do? Go straight to the basket with two defenders in his face.

    I play basketball and if someone is running hard and ahead of everybody, I pass him the ball. He has the best chance to score.

  • http://www.psychodrama.com Chicagorilla

    “all i do is make claims on the stuff i believe just like any sports talker does.”–BNews

    on the contrary my man. You don’t just make claims, you come on here each day to give yourself praise and pat yourself on the back. All the while it’s not like you went out on a limb on ANY of your predictions. That’s my point.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7Er5TsQrGg alf (from melmak)

    @ Chicagorilla

    Sammy Hagar once said in a concert when he was still fronting Van Halen — What is understood need not be spoken.

    Leave it. Ignore.

  • http://www.psychodrama.com Chicagorilla

    @Unchecked

    Derrick Rose will make your money well worth it. Now if he gets hurt Then I apologize in advance for John Lucas III.

  • Andy

    I’m glad dime is showing some love to Utah. We have gotten better every game both individually and as a team. I see ourselves as last year’s Thunder. My favorite thing about the Jazz is how little national attention we get even for a team that is pretty consistently in the top 5 of the west. Paul Millsap made a pretty good argument for the all-star game tonight. 14 straight points in a tight game is pretty solid. He comes out in his postgame interview with the same humble demeanor as usual. Go Jazz.

    Paul Millsap – “We don’t care what the national media thinks about us.”

  • yoda

    i wish there are some kind of private messages on this boards here so all you who feel you should explain something to other posters could do it in private. we had rap battles, we had quotes of quotes of quotes of posts from months a go… i know you guys are passionate about all this stuff, but c’mon, it’s getting boring.
    @ beiber please do as a favor and answer Chi’s questions so he will lay it off. maybe you will be right maybe not, but this might go on and on forever.

    side note: this year i started my first fantasy league. and i suck big time. i think i made big mistake by choosing players that i think they would be great in team together instead of choosing players who would put numbers on their respective teams. ah well, shame on me. guess i’d be better GM in real life than fantasy owner :)

  • beiber newz

    chicagorilla, i asked you to talk civil, yet you get aggressive saying “i spew random shit”

    now i will explain myself and move on from this subject because you made this very intense, instead of just speaking with a cool head….

    ******************************
    like i have explained already, i wasn’t saying monta ellis is a better point guard than derrick rose. instead of you trying to tell me what i meant, i think you should question what i meant instead, that way, you won’t be putting words in my mouth.

    okay, stick with me….my first line in the post said, like you so nicely took out of context, “I think monta ellis has better pg skills than rose.”

    notice i used the word skills. i wasn’t speaking on the overall position. i know it’s confusing, but it’s okay for you to assume what it sounds like you thought i meant, because i can see how you can take it that way.

    if you continued to have read the rest of my post, you would see that i was talking specifically on the passing aspect.

    i used these lines in that same comment of mine:

    *Passing wise, monta is a notch ahead of rose.

    *If monta was forced to play pg for the rest of his career, his assists totals would reflect that.

    *He is locked in at sg so he don’t focus on dishing to much.

    now notice, i took the conversation a little deeper by swapping both players positions. i made rose the 2 guard and monta the one, and it forced me to think about their defense. i ended up saying: If rose had to play the two, I think he’d get torched on d as well. Rose is still a great player tho….I don’t want to sound like I am bashing rose because he gets the job done regardless.

    i rounded back to my passing skills message by stating : “Ellis is a natural scorer first but his passing skills get overlooked. He aint flashy wit it, but he can rack em up when he gets in passing mode.”

    no where did i say i think rose is subordinate at the position, but if you read my post carefully instead of too hastily, i believe it would have been easy to see that i was speaking specifically on the passing.

    being a pg takes a lot more than just racking assists totals. i wasn’t speaking of the overall position. if i were i would have brought up IQ, speed, handles, jumpshot, turnovers, athleticism and strength. all these skills encompass a discussion when discussing great point guards.

    i only spoke on the passing skill. and defense. but only because i spoke on monta being a one, so i thought about rose being a 2, and it lead me to say he’d get torched on defense. but that wasn’t even the main point in my message.

    and ALF:
    man, you need to chill out yourself. i am not causing any trouble. stop with all the BS treating me like a contagious disease. i am not doing anything but talking basketball. YOU need to be the one to be held in check man. it gets quite annoying when you just act like that. take notice, i am not doing anything wrong, if chicagorilla wants to address someone, and i respond respectfully, NOTICE that. and don’t try to cause a rukkus by doing all that childish commenting. act grown. this is a comment board.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    I just stayed up past my bedtime reading the SI feature on Pop Herring (MJ’s high school coach). Amazingly well-done story, and it makes me feel bad that Jordan keeps fueling the fire of this idea that Herring “cut” him without at least giving the man proper credit (publicly) for everything else he did to help MJ become the player he became.

  • iannyb

    Chicagorilla and biebernews need to get a room. Why you guys carrying feelings so

  • Yves

    Who cares what others think… My god… Online battles are hilarious. Chica… I think i get that you like your bulls and rose. Chill man just a sport.

  • Bilal

    Goddamn every day someone provokes bnewz. He retaliated. Blah blah blah.

    Yes I hate the constant proclamations of prophecy and maybe he is the jesus of basketball, if so please ressurect the knicks defence.

    Does anyone else think the deron is sitting at home wondering how he got banished to purgatory in NJ. The jazz are looking good (and I like the green jerseys). They might just end up with the best big man rotation in the nba. Its funny that the teams that traded their “mega-stars” (jazz and denver) ended up better teams than the ontaining team.

  • That’s What’s Up

    Beebzy has transformed him into Chick-agorilla. this is sad. Can’t log on without seeing a she-said, she-said dime-blog bitchfest.
    it’s not long before you two take it to the next level and start arguing with the caps lock on.

    Nash still looks great, but I agree that his team is garbage. After Shaq took a big old Shaqtus on that team they just have not been the same. A lot of teams could use Nash, but where would he fit the best? …I just miss watching him in the playoffs

  • That’s What’s Up

    @bilal – another reason denver is doing well is because JR Smith’s crazy-ass is stuck over in China.

    I’m not sure when King Jacker is coming back but I doubt George Karl is looking forward to it

  • Bilal

    @that’s what’s up
    Yeah you’re right, JR in china does help. But he’ll be back, hopefully to the knicks, speed up their demise. They could do with getting kenyon martin back though.

  • LMNOP

    @ TWU, The Knicks is the obvious choice for Nash, they get the pg they so desperatly need and he gets reunited with Mike and Amare. Trouble for Nash is that most teams looking to compete aren’t dumb enough to not already be sorted at the point guard, so everywhere else he’d be coming off the bench or still being out of the playoffs.

    Also, on a similar note to freeing Nash, i think Ray Allen needs to be freed from Boston, unless him being stuck there as they fall into obscurity is his punnishment for selling his soul for a chip. i hate seeing one of my favorite players stuck with all those dicks in Boston, i hate seeing one of the greatest jumpshots in the history of the world being used as a 4th option on offense, BEHIND Rondo spazzily chucking the ball at the rim with all the grace of a drunk teenage girl giving her first blowjob.
    Dime you’re right, the Celtics are Rondo’s team now, and that is why they are 4 and 7, and that is why Ray Allen needs to bail while he still can.

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    Leave it alone guys… both Chi and beib. Agree to disagree, and move on.

    I hope the Knicks land Nash. For Nash, and for competition in the East.

    I think Minnesota and Toronto are #1 and 2 as league’s best worst teams.

  • control

    Tony Parker was playing some solid defense on Nash last night, didn’t give him anything easy. Nash’s teammates didn’t give him anything easy either, how many open jumpers can a set of guys miss, god damn. I needed Nash to sink two free throws and three threes for my fantasy team, but Spurs weren’t giving him that shit, Popovich was being a dick by not letting Nash run against some 2nd stringers at all.

    LMNOP

    I agree with you about Nash and knicks, but I’d never want my Canadian brother to be on that fucking team. It would be a horrible paradox for me, my favorite player on my most hated team.

    I agree even more with your assessment of the celtics, I was actually going to rant and rave about the exact same thing myself, haha. Pierce looking like you could carve 5lbs of bacon off his back ain’t helping, but they really are Rondo’s team now…I think they shot like 28% in a game lately? It’s amazing how teams don’t guard Rondo still, just give him free reign to do what he wants and lock down the other guys.

  • control

    Anyone catch “JB’s” top 5 point guard list last night during spurs and suns? Haha, was Rose, Paul, Nash, Deron and Westbrook…other fool asks “what about Rondon?”, JB responds “what about him? Hah”. Its funny that its now cool to hate on Rondo…

  • Bilal

    @jay
    Wolves and raps are defo the best of the worst, guess that’s what happens when the teams buy into the coach’s philosophy.

    @control

    I agree about nash on the knicks. I felt bad when andy rautlins played for the knicks, but nash on the knicks. That’s a kick in the balls.

    Rondo shouldn’t have his own team, his jumpshot (or lack of) is not the only problem, its his attitude, he seems like he needs to be babied at all times.peronally I thought he should have been traded (wasn’t there talk of a cp3 tarde)

    The celtics are a team in disarray, they seemed to have just fallen apart when they traded perkins, was he really that crucial to the chemistry of the team? I just don’t get it, its not looking good for the future, don’t they have a lot of money tied up to pierce, garrnet allen and rondo?

  • beiber newz

    jay…
    i want to leave it alone more than y’all want me to. believe me! i just thought it’d be wrong to ignore such a long post by someone. didn’t yall see where i asked him i’d only respond if he was civil?

    after reading a couple of the comments , i must say this site has some comedians :D which is why i like coming here….the two guys in the lead for funniest comments of the day already belong to:

    bilal: “Yes I hate the constant proclamations of prophecy and maybe he is the jesus of basketball, if so please ressurect the knicks defence.”

    AND

    that’s what’s up: “it’s not long before you two take it to the next level and start arguing with the caps lock on.”

    those had me chuckling out loud. i don’t do that often.

    ************
    back to basketball talk though !

    this nash talk is quite intriguing…for one, i’m all for a nash move to the big city. however, i kinda see him like a bag of bread that a less fortunate family needs. the bag of bread has an expiration date, as does nash and his career. the suns have held on to nash for SOOOO long that it pisses me off that i can’t tell if they are trying to compete or rebuild. it’s definitely somewhere in the middle. which is damn weird.

    but yes, i believe nash would be unrestricted after this season…but by the time he’s able to choose where he wants to sign, he’ll be a year older, or in bread talk, closer to stale, he’s already piling up the injuries, (back, ribs, etc.) or in bread talk…mold.

    but with all that said, he’d still be a top 10 point guard in the game. he’s tough, so the old/beat up part doesn’t scare me too much. i just wish he made his way to mew york at around 35ish at least..not 38/39. but his vision is top 3, even by that time. a lot of point guards get high totals, but i think nash, kidd and cp3 have the top three VISION of any guard in the game.

    call me crazy…but i already think rubio is 4th.

  • Bilal

    @BNewz
    Thanks
    I think I have to agree with you regarding the vision of PGs, rubio is definately 4th. But we do have to remember he isn’t like other PGs his ages/years in nba. He has been playing PG (true PG) for years at a pro level. He has had time to develop and fine tune his vision. Note that all these guys mentioned also have high bball IQ

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    @Bilal
    I gotta disagree with you about Rubio’s vision. There are many players who grew up playing the PG position exclusively, but they don’t have anywhere near that kind of vision. A guy is born with that type of vision.
    You can teach a guy plays, and have him repeat it enough until he becomes familiar the timing of the cuts, and screens, and understands where the passing opportunities are… but you can’t teach the level of vision that Rubio has. There are only a few guys in the league who see things on the break like Rubio does… those guys are gifted not taught. I don’t think it has much to do with how many years he’s played pro ball. Nash was making ridiculous bounce passes through traffic as a 16 year old with the Canadian Men’s team. It’s a gift.

  • Bilal

    @Jay

    i take your point, let me just clarify. yes vision is a gift, there is no denying that, but we do see that there are some PGs that show glimpes of really good vision, but they often are more inclined to scoring and use athleticism. vision can be fine tuned, so this is what i mean, rubio has been able to fine tune his vision.

  • silky

    lol@ the Peter gibbons reference…. fk odom and those part timers. between him and Vince u still wouldn’t have a whole heart.

    smack was pretty decent today…. a day without having to flog the horse about the knicks, celtics or lakers is refreshing

    true pg’s are hard to find lately… i hear it that vision is something innate. too many young dudes trying to score and pat the ball, not enough coaches teaching the position properly

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    @Bilal
    I still disagree… Lol. But oh well. I’ll just agree to disgree and move on. I don’t want to litter today’s Smack with a bunch of repetitive back-n-forth. We’ve had a lot of that lately.

  • Eduardo

    Thanks JAY.

    That’s the attitude.

  • beiber newz

    jay
    i think vision is innate

    however
    i see bilal’s point.

    rubio was not born with the exact vision/passing skills he has now. he is not just as good at vision as he was at 10 yrs of age.

    i do think passing can be fine tuned, yet vision is something different. but i think vision can be improved by a number of factors:

    knowing your teammate’s spots
    practicing for better handles/accuracy
    learning the game and building IQ

    all three of those for sure help to improve the effectiveness of a PG’s vision.

    BUT but BUT…vision is just as much a gift, that if you don’t have it, working on those 3 things will just get you so far.

  • beiber newz

    pretty much what i mean is that if you were a coach of a youth team, i hope you’re not out there telling little jimmy “hey, you’re our 3rd string pg because your vision is not on par with our starter. also, you have no chance to crack the rotation because there’s no way to work on your passing because either you have it or you don’t.”

    i may be taking it to the extreme, but i feel like there is a way to fine tune vision as bilal said, BUT it can only be fine tuned if you have it. both of you are right. nash and kidd can work on their vision. it doesn’t stay at a constant. but what makes me even more convinced that you are born with it is that you still have the skill well past your prime. it’s not like hops. you can work on increasing your vertical. and you lose it because some are born with athleticism, but some work on it.

    a jumpshot too, some guys are born with it, and it stays with you for well past one’s prime. i.e..dell curry.

  • LMNOP

    Ah Control, its a common paradox, it surely cant be worse than seeing Jesus getting buried alive on the Celtics tho? There is always another option Nash, i hear they want to stick Dwight and Deron along side Dirk in Dallas, and i know Steves name doesn’t work as well, but if they signed Nash instead of Williams they wouldn’t have to dump all their other players and a team of Nash, Dirk and Howard plus a few other vets would look really good on paper.

  • Bilal

    born with a jumpshot? not too sure, that is something you learn its about being taught and practicing, its muscle memory at the end of the day.

    @LMNOP

    Nash back it dallas with his buddy Dirk, boy that has a fairytale vibe to it, the media would love it. throw in Howard, and Nash might just average 20 assists/game.

    I love Williams game, i really do, but after making Sloan quit, he deserves being stuck on the Nets. I never want him to win a championship (yes i know its harsh but Sloan’s a legend).

  • beiber newz

    yes, i do believe good shooters are born.
    but guys can also obtain one through practice.

  • http://www.psychodrama.com Chicagorilla

    Whoa you guys all need to chill the f^ck out. It’s not like I went on a 50 post rant/rap battle with BNews. I was just asking dude to change up his game a little so when he pats himself on the back it’ll be for a good reason.

    Either way, I was done with the convo after my last comment.

    As for your PG arguments.
    How can you put Rubio in the top 5 and he’s only been in the NBA for 1 month? Just this past summer guys were trying to crown John Wall as the “Next” Pg. Take some time and let these guys play ball and prove themselves. all that ranking shyt is for the birds.

    @Silky
    I don’t know if that coaches aren’t teaching it properly is the problem. There are a ton of real PGs in college. Guys like Jordan Taylor and Kendal Marshall are phenominal PGs with fantastic vision and leadership. The NBA doesn’t value that. They prefer guys who are lighting bolts up and down the court and can jump out the gym.

    The NBA’s deepest position right now is PG. If I was a lottery team, I’d be looking to grab one of these guys in order to kick-start my franchise.

    Here is a Debate question:
    If you had to be chased by a wild animal, which animal is the one you would most fear?
    Me and my boys had a long debate about this (there was some substances involved to help) and the most common answer was Gorilla. But Jaguar and Lion were also the tops.

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    LOL @Eduardo. No problem man.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    After reading today’s comments about Nash, Ray Allen and Deron, I have to ask:

    What is this idea about who does and who doesn’t “deserve” to play for a winning team? Somebody care to explain to me how this is decided?

  • silky

    i dunno… seems like coaches don’t emphasize the qualities needed to run the point enough, and they are scared to lay down the law because so many of the young talents are only trying to be in systems where they can do their own thing. that rush to show what you can do as soon as possible. being a pg requires being a student and unselfish. not too many guys open to that if it means sitting or coming along slowly

    pg’s are going to be like running backs soon… putting up big numbers early in their careers till the athleticism gives out and they realize the fundamentals and ability to run offenses in the Andre miller stage of their career just isn’t there. 6-7 yr nba careers.

  • http://Dimemag.com Panchitoooo

    @ chicagorilla
    If you include marine animals im picking great white shark. No way in hell are you getting away from a great white shark if its chasing you.

  • http://www.psychodrama.com Chicagorilla

    @AB

    a stand up guy who has put in many years in the NBA at a high level deserves to be on a winning/championship team. That’s why everyone wanted guys like Stock and Malone to win one so bad before they retired.

  • beiber newz

    chicagorilla, take no offense to this: i see many of your problems with my posts stem from you not understanding me. i don’t know if it’s due to you skimming or your lack to grasp my message.

    i did not say rubio is top 5 point guard in the nba. i would agree with jon barry’s list of the top 5 right now, s there is no room for rubio. what i DID say, (something that bilal fully understood) was that rubio’s VISION is top 4.

    i think before you comment on someone’s comment, you should look back at the person’s comment a few times over. it seems like most times you miss the guy’s message and create your own.

  • http://www.psychodrama.com Chicagorilla

    @silky

    I agree with how PG=RBs. There wans’t enough glamour around Jason Kidd and Steve Nash in their hey day. Too many guys were looking up to Marbury, Iverson, Steve Francis. So they kinda followed in their footsteps. But guys like Steph Curry, Rubio, Jordan Taylor, and K.Marshall are throwback PGs. They will get their shine eventually as they get older.

  • beiber newz

    also, chicagorilla…you did sound like you were looking for a fight…so i think the guys here are justified when telling you to calm down.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    @Chicagorilla — But most of those guys HAVE played for winning teams (i.e., at least making the conference finals). Ray won in Milwaukee and Boston; Nash won in Dallas and Phoenix; Stockton/Malone won in Utah; Garnett won in Minnesota … so is it that, after a certain amount of admired service, they deserve to play for winning teams for the rest of their careers? Isn’t part of the whole superstar thing being good enough to MAKE your team a winning team?

    I’m not targeting you specifically, just fans/media in general who buy into this concept. When I hear, “The Suns owe it to Nash to trade him to a winner,” my take is, “The hell they do.” The Suns should be trying to put a good/marketable squad on the floor just like every other NBA franchise, and Nash is a key to that effort on both fronts. If they wanna trade him in order to pick up young pieces to build toward the future, or if it’s a trade that they honestly think makes them better or saves money, fine. But just to trade him so he can play for a better team, I don’t get that.

    Couldn’t I point to just about every player in the NBA and say “So-and-so deserves to play for a winner”? A lot of these guys came from underdog background and have put in years of hard work to get to the league. Once you get there, and even if you’re great for 10 years, I just don’t think it becomes your entitlement to play for a winner.

  • http://Dimemag.com Panchitoooo

    Lol@ packers discount double choke

    Man i should have called off today to watch basketball and smoke bowls. What the biggest matchup tonight? Im waiting for lakers v mavs…payback

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    @Panchitooo — Payback for what? Ain’t nobody worried about one game in January when L.A. is dealing with getting swept out of the playoffs.

  • silky

    damn the Knicks offense is offensive right now… good thing shump’s d is making it watchable

    both teams on ten man rotations… this takes getting used to. bench dudes actually gotta earn their money besides towel waving

  • beiber newz

    @silky, yea im flipping back n forth between that game and the bulls game. i don’t think there is a more fragile team out there in terms of championship aspirations than the bulls…meaning, if their best player is M.I.A., they go from strong candidate to no chance. it’s amazing how bad a team can look, but it’s expected. the times when the suns were in the championship mix when they had amare and em, if nash missed a game, they were borderline putrid. but that suns team without nash is still lightyears better than this bulls team with no rose.

  • http://Dimemag.com Panchitoooo

    @ AB
    Small payback for ripping our hearts out last season.
    I think its a big game for the Lakers team confidence and unity even though Dallas aint the same Dallas as last year. If the lakers win they take back a small part of what got crushed by the sweep.. Mentally the lakers need all they can get so we dont have a relapse of last seasons playoffs. This potencial W can jump start a winning streak that could go on for weeks. Miami rode a wave of momentum after winning their first game in Dallas this season and i can see the Lakers doing the same after tonights game. And no doubt kobe, pau, and bynum got this game triple circled on their calendar.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    @Panchitooo — Yeah I guess, I just never fully understood that thinking. Team X beats Team Y in a playoff series or in a national championship game, and the next time the teams meet in the regular season people are like, “Time for payback.” That’s like if you conned me out of $200 and my “payback” was stealing $15 out of your wallet. Doesn’t add up at all.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    @Chicagorilla — Sorry, one more thing I saw in yesterday’s Smack that I had to ask you about: You were hyping up JaVale McGee big-time, calling him the second coming of Ralph Sampson and saying his sky hook was something Kareem would be proud of. And not the first time I’ve seen you hype up McGee.

    Now, Dwight Howard dropped 28 points and 20 boards on JaVale a few games ago. So if you were firmly in the “No way is Dwight even in the same stratosphere as Ewing and David Robinson” group, how do you explain Dwight going HAM like that on Baby Sampson?

  • beiber newz

    burton…payback comes in many forms.

  • http://Dimemag.com Panchitoooo

    @ AB
    True it doesnt add up cause the regular season aint the playoffs lol but its more of a mental thing than anything. New coach, new system, and laker fans want to see something good happen against the Mavs regardless of the stage its on. Throw that Zen stuff out the window its beast mode time.
    its obviuos that Jim Carreys got the right game plan to beat the old look Lakers which makes it even more interesting to watch what changes Mike Brown has brought and how he intends to cover the lakers weaknesses. Coach browns job is even more difficult now that steve blake is hurt and we got rookies running the point. Win or lose i feel this game will have big effect on the lakers, more than any other game this season. Plus we got the Heat and Magic coming up, i cant wait to see what happens.

  • LakeShow84

    @ AB

    Aint no one dealing with getting swept last year..

    But best believe we worried about payback.. In January, next November and 2 years from some day in February..

    WE BETTER SMASH DALLAS TONIGHT

  • LakeShow84

    I dont think it warrants much discussion tho..

    If your in professional sports and someone sweeps u the year before and u dont feel the need to get revenge in any and all future meeting for at least 2 years??

    U dont belong in sports

  • Mt. Pleasant

    Forget whether Nash deserves to be freed.

    What I don’t get is why Pheonix doesn’t want to trade Nash while he still has value.

    This is the perfect time:
    -you’ve sold this season’s tickets already
    – you save his contract for the rest of this year
    -his value as he ages and plays on that awful team is only going to decrease
    – its a short season and a deep draft.

    If you have to suck for a year, this is the year to do it. If you traded him today for picks and youth, you’d suck for 50 games and you could build/market around the young guys next season.

    What am I missing?

  • beiber newz

    kyrie irving def getting rookie of the year.

  • yoda

    i read about pg’s vision etc. main problem now is that pg’s want to be sg’s. they would rather shoot than pass. kidd, nash and now rubio… they are guys who would rather make stuff happen for teammates than shoot them self. one of reasons for lousy pg’s when passing is involved are iverson and marbury. westrbook is made in same mold like them, but he has better player on his team atm.

  • beiber newz

    another stellar performance by carmelo anthony. bad shooting percentage, by good statistics. keep up the good work mel, but bring home some Ws along with it.

  • beiber newz

    but good statistics*

  • beiber newz

    i hear phil jackson has reached out to lamar odom…he and LO had a good talk, phil told him ways to clear his head and make basketball fun again.

    will this move by PJ spark something in odom that helps him out his funk, resulting in better play by him which fuels the mavericks? did phil jackson spark another western conference team? will the lakers feel the affects of a renewed LO/Mavs team?

    i hope not…i like LO too, but he is an enemy now, and PJ is a former lakers coach. but iguess he’s a human first. so i am not disappointed in the move.

    get well soon LO.

  • http://Dimemag.com Panchitoooo

    LO should just leave basketball and become a reality star. I hate his game cause its so wishy washy lol. How can you coach a guy that doesnt bring his A game to the court every night? How do you know what situation to sub him in when hes so inconsistent? I feel he doesnt understand how to win with his talents. As if hes confused out on the court, should i score, should i rebound, should i push the break, should i just do nothing and hope the game comes to me. All he really knows for sure is that hes not finishing with his right hand EVER, you can count on that.

  • beiber newz

    WATCHING DIS NETS/CLIPPERS GAME…who wulda thunk it wulda get poppin ?! dis game got nice ! i almos turned it off!

  • Big Island

    You can bring your best effort and not your best game every night and be ok in my book. But if you don’t at least try, I can’t get behind that.

    I got lost in today’s comments. I have just kind of run through them lately because of all of the bs back and forth, but I stop at some guys.

    AB – The problem people have with Nash/Phoenix is that he plays his hardest every night, does everything right, and the management there isn’t even trying to put a team around him anymore. It’s a classic Sterling move. For a long time he would get a squad that was decent, and then let it/make it die for the sake of saving money. It’s not fair to Nash that they do that. People blast players for quitting once they get the big contract, but what about teams that are content to just be mediocre?

    All big guys want to be PG’s. All PG’s want to play the post. Every chick with curly hair wants it straight and vice versa. Vision is one thing, but knowing how to control and play within the flow of a game is another. Some guys work really hard to maximize it, for others it just comes really easy. It seems like it is easy for Rubio, Rondo on another team would be great for him. Westbrook doesn’t have it, but he might get it. Wall doesn’t have it, he might get it. CP has it.

  • http://Dimemag.com Panchitoooo

    @Big Island
    You better be ready for LO to really disappoint you then. I swear he lacks the fire and drive to be a great player every night. im just happy hes not on my team anymore lol. You know what mana is right? LO needs to find his mana or just retire already. I thought he got it playing with the national team but lost it again. Maybe PJ has helped him find it but i doubt it. Or maybe i dont want him to find it since hes on the Mavs now.
    I think one day he will look back on his career and wish he would have done more(to get in the HOF), schindlers list style. ” this height, these arms could have got more rebounds, my handles could have got more points”.

  • JBaller

    Too bad NY has nothing to offer the suns for Nash. I see him signing a two year contract with NY in the off season and finishing his carreer there. NY cam afford to pay him the vet min if the don’t resign some of the garbage men they currently pay to do nothing.

  • beiber newz

    how about we nix talking about skipping comments, isn’t that just a contradiction? it’s not contributing to basketball either.

    anyway. i hear dwight howard has added the clippers to his list of destinations where he’d sign an extension. for some reason…i don’t like him and blake on the same team. but i am not saying it wouldn’t be formidable. however, that’d be brick city in terms of ft %

  • K Dizzle

    @ Mt Pleasant n Big I

    -Let’s face facts. Phoenix management completely destroyed that franchise. For as long as I watched ball, the Suns would compete. They went from KJ to JKidd to Steph in his prime to Nash as a rook then in his mvp years surrounded by McDyess, Barkley, Richard Dumas, Chambers, Penny, Majerle, Ceballos, Mark West, Danny Ainge, Manning, Cassell, Horry, Finley, Chapman, Tisdale, Matrix, JJ, Amare, Bell, Diaw,QPich, Barbosa, Jim Jackson, James Jones then finally Shaq n G. Hill.

    Somewhere along the way, Sarver took over and started trying to save money when the Suns were the most talented and exciting squad in the l. They pretty much gave away Nate Rob, Deng and Rondo and lowballed Joe Johnson on an extension when he was cool with the hometown discount, by the time they traded away Matrix, the Suns were done…

    Now that it would be a smart business move to trade Nash for younger players n picks and build thru the draft n free agency, they decide they wanna ride the backs of a 38 n 39 yr old.
    Franchise in freefall…

  • Big Island

    Panchitoooo – Already there buddy. I love his game, but he just chills. Oh well, I got my “Dirk has a ring” thing set, so fuck em.

    KDizzle – Exactly! Phoenix could actually help themselves by trading Nash, both from a getting younger picks and good PR standpoint. They could help Nash, get younger guys/picks, and still suck. BUT they could set themselves up for future FA’s going there. Cleveland will never get another free agent to sign there who is worth anything because the owner puled such a bitchfest with Lebron and the CP thing. Sending Nash away would let other players who can sign someplace know that they did a solid for Nash. If I were a free agent, and I could go to a team who has done the “right” thing (I added quotes for AB) and are straight up about their dealings, you go there to help. They won’t be good for a few years. They could send Nash away, say they love him but they weren’t going to win while he still had some life left in him, and wish him well. They get some pieces, then make an offer in 3 years to some free agents saying we have everything but you, and they could be good again. They probably won’t, but they could.

  • beiber news

    Guys, I’m not sure if you noticed it, but the NBA is all about throwing the round orange ball into the circular metal thing with a net on it. All you have to do is put the ball through the hoop more times than the other team. I’m not trying to say I’m smart or anything, but I figured that out just by watching.

    I don’t mean to get anyone upset, but I just needed to share that complex observation. You know, just in case the rest of you didn’t notice it. Cause it’s so complex.

  • beiber newz

    the ONLY reason i could muster in defense of the suns as to why they haven’t let nash go yet is because they probably think there would be backlash from the fanbase. i dunno, that situation is just weird. what reason is there to keep nash in limbo? are they waiting for nash to make the first move or somthing? he already said he won’t make a trade request, so mgt…do your job, phx isn’t going anywhere.

    thinking about phx trade possibilities, if there were to be a blockbuster deal this season, i think channing frye would be included. i think if frye goes to a contender, we might as well call him ROBERT HORRY 2.0. frye is nice but he is struggling at the moment. put him on a team where he can get open looks and a big role, he will be a huge asset.

    but my thinking is that nash will not sign an extension wherever he goes if he is traded this season. he will wind up becoming a free agent, and sign where his heart desires.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    I definitely understand the sentiment of wanting guys like Nash, J-Kidd, Garnett, etc. to play for a winner in the final stages of their careers and go out on top. I felt the exact same way about Gary Payton, Reggie Miller and all my favorite players as they got older. I’m glad that T-Mac is playing for Atlanta and not Milwaukee right now, because I want him to go out playing for a winner.

    It’s just the whole “deserve” language that bugs me. Like, where’s the line? It’s totally understandable why people say Nash DOES deserve to play for a winner, and why Ray Allen DOES deserve to play for a winner … but why DOESN’T Deron Williams deserve to play for a winner? Why DOESN’T Jason Collins deserve to play for a winner? Why DOESN’T John Wall deserve to play for a winner?

    That’s what I need explained to me.

  • beiber newz

    Guys, I’m not sure if you noticed it, but the NBA is all about throwing the round orange ball into the circular metal thing with a net on it. All you have to do is put the ball through the hoop more times than the other team. I’m not trying to say I’m smart or anything, but I figured that out just by watching.

    I don’t mean to get anyone upset, but I just needed to share that complex observation. You know, just in case the rest of you didn’t notice it. Cause it’s so complex.

  • beiber newz

    Hey guys,

    Do you remember awhile back when I made that observation about the NBA, that whoever puts the ball through the hoop more often wins?

    Well, I think I was completely right about that. I was just watching a game, and when it ended, whoever had more points was declared the winner….MEANING whoever put the ball through the circular thing more often won.

    I’m really not trying to pat my own back, but I thought it was worth mentioning that I was right about the NBA. How I was able make such a complex observation to share with everyone, I don’t know. I guess it was just a blessing.

  • beiber newz

    @#83-84
    chicagorilla…are you the one writing those fake comments? kinda sounds like you. just saying.

  • beiber newz

    i guess some more fake posts that went through late have altered the #s. now it appears as though 84 and 85 are fake.

    but i wasn’t going to address it further but i think you guys should take a look at an excerpt from one of the fake ones. i think we should laugh at the person behind it because they obviously don’t know the game of basketball.

    one post, i believe it’s #81 says: “All you have to do is put the ball through the hoop more times than the other team. I’m not trying to say I’m smart or anything, but I figured that out just by watching.”

    well, in actuality, putting the ball in the basket more times than the other team does not guarantee victory.

    if the knicks hit 20 threes…that is 60 points
    if the bulls hit 25 layups….that is 50 points.

    so your formula is wrong. what a dumb mistake. but sorry guys for getting away from talking basketball. i just thought we should at least mock the poor effort of the wannabe beiber newz.

  • beiber newz

    @panchitoooo..have you always had those feelings about lamar odom? i remember like a few years ago i was talking with somebody that if trading lamar meant getting a better player in return, i’d be for it, because he was so inconsistent.

  • Big Island

    AB – If a franchise level player plays the right way, stays out of trouble, busts his ass for a team – sorry, Odom just got a huge ovation – even if they aren’t going anywhere, and it’s just a matter of the organization not doing their jobs by surrounding him with talent, then at a point, that players deserves to know what it’s like to play for a contender.

  • http://Dimemag.com Panchitoooo

    Did you see that bynum triple team?

  • http://www.psychodrama.com Chicagorilla

    @AB
    you’re really reaching bruh. Me comparing McGee and Sampsons athletically ability, build, or style of play is one thing, but get real. You know damn well Mcgee ain’t f^cking with Sampson’s skill level or overall game. I don’t even know why you would take it there.
    Nice try though. Ewing and Robinson still shyt on Dwight 9x’s outta 10.

    @BNews

    Actually I spent all day doing recruiting and watching my players play in a big MLK tournament. Not sure why you would finger me for a fake post….well then again yeah i can. But to answer your question, No it wasn’t me. But I will say whoever it was was pretty funny.

  • beiber newz

    the fact you think it was funny is pretty eye brow raising…it is not even borderline funny. it is really strange. i don’t know y you would give it a humor endorsement unless…..well i already said who i think it was.

  • beiber newz

    chicagorilla, what do you think of the wannabe beib’s flawed formula for how a basketball game is won?

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    @Chicagorilla — All I’m saying is, you have talked a few times here about how much you like McGee’s game and how much of a beast he is. So when he gets dumped on by Dwight Howard, that doesn’t give you any indication that Howard might be better than you’re giving him credit for?

  • beiber newz

    Once again, I think we should mock the poor effort of the wannabe beiber (or from here on out: the wannabeiber) for using a flawed formula for how you win a basketball game.

    It’s so dumb, how can you make such a big mistake like using a flawed formula to post on smack? The reason I am never wrong is I spend my entire day working out complex formulas and reading old smack comments. I give a GOOD effort, unlike the wannabeiber who gives poor efforts. If you are gonna copy me correctly, you have to give up your entire life to making smack comments and making formulas that are never wrong.

    And Chicagorilla, because you thought the wannabeiber post was funny, then you must be him. In fact, if anybody ever reads a wannabeiber post and thinks its funny, they must be the wannabeiber. Wow guys, I think I just figured out who is copying me. Think about it, because there was no flaw in that formula at all.

  • 4m

    I swear Austin Burton comes off as the biggest troll in these sections sometimes. Do you really have to nitpick every word people here say and take it literally? For a seemingly smart person, you seemingly don’t get a lot of things.

    Of course there will always be fans who would say “he deserves to be traded to a winning team” same as how some people have already crowned Rubio as the next Pistol Pete and John Wall as the next DRose. There will always be fans who will have that mentality to root for the underdog, to wish that underdog success. Underdog in a sense that he’s always been a good and talented guy but stuck in a mediocre team.

    And I’m not sure if you’ve ever played competitive tournament ball but you never understood the mentality of a person trying to exact revenge on another team that humiliated his team before? No matter how cool you are, if you’re the defending champs and you got swept the following year, that will leave a bad taste in your mouth for some time. And the only way to get rid of it is to beat the team who did it.

  • beiber newz

    i just think chicagorilla was mad i commented on how bad the bulls are without rose. he seems like a sensitive homer who can’t take criticism. so he going out his way to sabotage my switch to goodness by making weird fake posts. i just hope you guys can tell when it’s a fake post. if it aint about strictly BASKETBALL then guys, know it aint me.

    anyway….yall hear stephen curry is surprised he aint get an olympic invite? i think he’ll fill chauncey’s role the next go around, without question. he will be the best shooter in the nba by that time.