Smack / Feb 15, 2012 / 12:52 am

Jeremy Lin Has His Best Night Yet; John Wall Blows Up

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Wow. Nothing else really needs to be said at this point. Jeremy Lin has done some cool things, but last night he took it to another level, wetting a pull-up jumper in Canada’s face with less than a second left in a tie game. The swag was ridiculous; In the huddle before he closed the fridge on the Raptors, Lin told Mike D’Antoni to give him an iso. Then he went out and capped the best night yet of the Jeremy Lin tour with New York’s come-from-behind 90-87 win. Lin (27 points, 11 assists) really shut Floyd Mayweather Jr. up in the second half after Jose Calderon (25 points, nine assists) was slapping him around for much of the first half. Jose had 12 in the first quarter, banging threes and just taking the ball right out of Lin’s mitts. But the game’s biggest sequence came with Toronto up five in the final two minutes. Iman Shumpert – who COMPLETELY changed the game with his defense in the second half – ripped Calderon at half-court and dunked. Then Lin went in for a three-point play, double-pumping at the rim to set up his game-winner … The Heat became the first team in 40 years to win three road games on consecutive nights by double figures by clowning the Pacers, 105-90. Indiana sat down to lay an egg early, falling behind right away as Miami played – in the words of the announcers – the best half of any NBA team all season. LeBron led the way with an easy 23 points and nine rebounds … Rodney Stuckey played one of his best games of the season, going for 23 and eight, and yet it was Tony Parker who punked Detroit down the stretch of the Spurs’ four-point survival. TP only had 14, but had a lefty layup and then hit a smooth floater in the last minute to keep the Pistons from stealing one. It was a typical Detroit finish. Ben Gordon missed a big three, felt he was fouled by Duncan and then picked up a technical in a one-possession game in the closing seconds … Sean Elliott: “Ben Wallace is breaking the record (this was for most games by an undrafted player). It’s unfortunate he’s doing it in front of five people.” Among other things Big Ben did last night was air ball a free throw in a way even DeSagana Diop would be jealous … Mike Conley dropped 21 as Memphis won an important game over a team they’ll probably be fighting with throughout the season to make the playoffs, the Rockets … James Harden (22 points) and the Thunder had absolutely no trouble stomping out Utah, 111-85 … And the Lakers won ugly, 86-78 over Atlanta behind 20 and 13 from Pau Gasol … The 2012 Olympic Women’s Team Finalists were announced: Jayne Appel, Seimone Augustus, Sue Bird, Rebekkah Brunson, Swin Cash, Tamika Catchings, Tina Charles, Candice Dupree, Sylvia Fowles, Brittney Griner, Lindsey Harding, Asjha Jones, Kara Lawson, Angel McCoughtry, Renee Montgomery, Maya Moore, Candace Parker, Cappie Pondexter, Diana Taurasi, Lindsay Whalen and Sophia Young… Keep reading to hear about the best night of John Wall’s season …

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  • Jerry

    Embrace the Linsanity


  • Phileus

    Maybe I’ll get hate for this, but Jeremy Lin’s reminding me of Derrick Rose in his rookie year: an exciting playmaker who can score, make tough shots in the lane, but is also prone to turnovers.

    Also, the Heat are unstoppable. Crapping on three teams in three consecutive nights? Who can stop them in a seven game series?

  • silky

    he is legend

    this is a surreal time to be a blue and orange fan. it is bit by bit making up for the last 11 years of insanity and anguish.

    nice adjustment with putting shump on calderon by pringles. you just had the feeling he was gonna pick him at some point.

    breathe and stop

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    anyone wanna predict an offseason lockout year rematch of knicks-spurs? lol

  • JBaller

    And the LINSANITY continues! It is just unbelievable that the Knicks are winning with this guy outta nowhere. I know the story should be getting played out by now, but the streak continues and so does the hype. One more win and NY is back to .500. Normally a .500 record wouldn’t be too impressive, but when their batting 1.000 with him in the lineup it has to mean something. ESPN said there were huge contigents from the Chinese and Taiwanese Youth Basketball Associations in attendance along with a sell out crowd. This guy is single-handedly bringing Basketball back to the masses; he’s a one-man economic recovery. I gotta repost this in tomorrow’s smack because there aint much more to say other than this is…

  • yoda

    i have a feeling that Lin is basketball version of Robert Johnson. he probably took his basketball to some crossroad at midnight and made a deal :)

  • the cynic

    i always thought Lin had a real shot at being a backup point guard in the league, but this is starting to get ridiculous. How did no one pick up on this guy?

  • JBaller


    Good one, but I think he is becoming the basketball equivelent of…


  • 4M

    At this rate, the Knicks should hold bible study sessions before and after each game. Not yet entirely sold in Cousins since he’s still shooting at a paltry 45%. But I have to admit he seems to have gotten his act together.

  • Ian

    if melo (ewing theory) misses the season then yeah maybe

  • Ian

    it be perfect if the west standings remained the same the whole season

  • Jason

    @JBaller: for real?! You think Lin is the Tebow of the NBA?! Lin helps the Knicks win; the Broncos won games in spite of Tebow. Tebow is a joke.

  • Franchise

    Sorry for Bieber-ing fellas but i said from the get-go that Lin is the truth….glad to see him validating it. He plays smart and has the balls to go with it, get used to it he isn’t going anywhere. He’ll get his minutes from here on out, and he’s those Lowry-type players who always had it but were never really given the opportunity to shine. And when that opportunity finally came, they jumped on that shit. Barring injury or the hype getting to his head, worst case scenario for this dude is being third option behind Melo n Mare in NY, or second option (maybe even the alpha) anywhere else in the L.

  • Franchise

    @Phileus no hate, co-sign ur post in fact.

    SMH at the whole Iverson thing, I’ll reserve judgment out of respect for dude, you should never judge someone till you walk a mile in their shoes, but DAMN. Him n Kobe were/still are the primary reason i started playing and loving the game of basketball. Too bad it had to end this way.

  • yoda

    @ JBaller

    I have general knowledge of who tebow is but i’m not from states and i don’t watch american football so not really sure what you mean :)

  • Shot In Ya Face

    This whole Lin craze is getting ridiculous.

  • nyk

    yeah i thought tebow was ridiculous. linsanity is even worse in terms of media hype. just let him play normally already.

    but kid can ball, call him asian nash, asian kobe, whatever, james dolan better give this kid a fat contract. it will do well in terms of marketing nba and the knicks over in china, taiwan, etc, as well

    but give credit to iman shumpert for that 4th qtr defense and the huge steal on calderon. after Amar’e got blocked for the 63rd time by Amir Johnson before the Shumpert steal i was about to shut that TV off.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    Carrying over from yesterday’s conversation about scorers…

    I’m still focusing on the mindset of the whole thing. When people talk about basketball, why is “involved” (as in “getting teammates involved”) only used in relation to scoring?

    Guys like Joakim Noah and Ben Wallace can have games where they get 14 boards, block 3-4 shots, dive all over the floor for loose balls, shut down an elite post scorer on crucial possessions, and score 4 points all night. Are we still saying they weren’t “involved” in the game? Guys like Bruce Bowen and Shane Battier can play a key defensive role for 35-40 minutes, get some steals, start some fast breaks, get a few boards but may only score 2-3 points. Are they not “involved” in the game?

    To me, the two peple most responsible for spreading the ball around are the point guard and the coach. One draws up the scheme, the other is responsible for executing it; or at least getting the execution started. Shooting guards and small forwards — Kobe, Carmelo, LeBron, Joe Johnson — their primary job is to finish possessions by scoring. (Oddly enough, nobody criticizes superstar power forwards and centers for not getting their teammates involved, even though they have the ball a lot and are just as capable of making passes.)

    I don’t understand why people cry for the return of the “true point guard” and the “true center,” but then complain when “true” shooting guards and small forwards continue to do what they’re originally supposed to do: score. We talk so much about the “flow of the game.” Does anyone consider that the “flow of the game” that the coach WANTS is for his best scorer to take a lot of shots?

    I can’t say Kobe “kills his team” when he has five championships and rarely misses the playoffs. Carmelo doesn’t have any rings, but I don’t think he’s ever missed the playoffs. Westbrook is a playoff regular and helping lead a very young team to legit title contention. If these teams are supposedly being “killed” by these scorers, then 80% of the league is dead.

  • http://www.bettlejuiceXs3.com Chicagorilla


    Derrick Rose on had 2.5 TO’s per game in 37mpg his rookie year. He never really has been turnover prone.

    Jeremy Lin reminds me of Steve Nash when he was in Dallas. Back then you could see that Steve was starting to figure out the NBA, once he got to PHX he just cut loose. Right now, Lin is just feeling his way around in the dark. He had 5 TO’s in the first quarter vs T-Dot. So he’s still very flawed. But watching him make those clutch baskets, then come down with ice water in his veins and nail that 3. I damn near pulled out the 45s and bussed a few shots in the air like it was the Chinese New year. I guess now i can see what those Tebow fans were feeling during football season. You have no idea how JLin is doing it or how long he can keep doing it, but you’re just enjoying the moment.

  • 4M

    Gotta admit that there have been times where I had to double check whether the person who posted an argument or started a debate was bieber or Austin Burton. Why do you always have to take things literally? Of course they aren’t killing their teams, literally. But guys like Melo, Kobe have all the tools to make winning so much easier. Yet they don’t do it all the time.
    Coaches want their best player to take a lot of shots but do they want those shots to be contested 20-foot fade aways? I don’t think so.

    And I’m predicting that austin will either say I’m missing the point or respond with something like “I get that but…” IJS. Has anyone won an argument with bieber and austin? Just askin

  • http://www.bettlejuiceXs3.com Chicagorilla


    You bugging dude. You are defending ballhogs by saying it’s their PG or Coaches job to move the ball not theirs. But if the ball and offense is run through them every f^cking play, like they are PGs, then it is their job to involve everyone else.

    Let Mike Brown try and take the ball from Kobe by calling plays for Bynum and Gasol all game long, watch how fast that MFer hits the unemployment line. Don’t even try to act like coaches have power in the NBA. This ain’t college. Kobe makes what Mike Brown makes in his sleep. They can always find another coach, you can’t find another star play who generates ticket/tv sales.

    Star players who bring the ball up the court and/or initiate the offense are playing as if they are a Point guard/forward. So in that case they know they will get the ball all game long and can shoot whenever. Their initial responsibilty should be to get the team involved first then get themselves into it.

    In defense of guys like Melo, Amare, Durant, i don’t think they are playmakers. Guys like Kobe, Wade, Lebron, Rose, Westbrook, can all make plays for their teammates to get them easy baskets. It’s just a matter of being willing to pass and their IQ. Guys like Carmelo, Amare, and Kevin Durant aren’t very good playmakers even when they try to be. They are actually better off just scoring buckets. Thats where the coaching comes into play big time, because the coach has to know when to set them up and when to allow the team to get touches.

  • yoda


    you are right about coaches decision how to play. fine example of that is Pop and spurs. Ginobili is better than half of shooting guards in nba almost since day he came to SA but due to Pop’s strategy and guess his personal way of playing ball, he was shooting guard who played within team concept. it takes some serious balls for coach to tell star players what to do and what not to do. kobe is headstrong so it took someone like PJ to control him. and while he was like he was, kobe was also one of best defenders in L, could pass like crazy, had nasty combo with shaq, while melo is none of that. it seems to me that melo only wants to shoot/score, no real interest in anything else ( seven years in L and his D is still awful).
    as for westbrook, that dude is always looking to score first, rather to play team ball.
    and as i’ve said it before, nba is hype machine and highlights machine so they promote rules that allows for guards to slash and dunk almost without any problems, so they could sell stars and merchandise related to those stars.

  • Three Stacks

    @ AB

    If anyone says a player who plays 35+ minutes, D’s up and gets a good number stats without scoring is “not involved” just because of the point total, then I would think (without any condescension) that they don’t know much about basketball, at least not to the depth of an experienced fan. I don’t know much about cricket, same thing. Obviously those kinds of players are glue guys, and essential to a team’s success. If I had to guess, I’d say ESPN/sports media folk say offense oriented stuff to appeal to the casual fan, cause when you break down the game to the basics of “whoever scores more wins,” it’s easier for them follow. Most people are watching for the ball to go into the hole, and little else.

    But in the sense that “involved” means getting your teammates involved, I think that’s a different story.

    I’d say the term “involved” gets used most for scoring because that is pretty much the only aspect of the game that you can actively help a teammate consistently, and most important, voluntarily. Yeah, you need to help each other with team defense, and of course there are examples (like boxing out so your teammate gets a rebound, tips to teammates, etc) where you can help their stats, but most times you can’t control that stuff.

    It’s kinda hard to set up a teammate to get a bunch of rebounds unless you can aim your misses. Same with a lot of the other stats. Maybe NBA players are talented enough to bypass this rule, but more often than not, a player has to take what the game gives them. All you can ask of a teammate is that they play hard and hope they are in the right positions to make a play when the situation comes up.

    But a player willing to pass, involve your teammates…these are all things that can be decided upon by the person with the ball. The game is not always going to allow you to involve yourself, but whether you involve your teammates is solely the player’s decision.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz


    you know what i fear…..?

    if the knicks have a perfect record thru this whole lincraze and the very first game carmelo returns from his groin injury they lose that game, everyone and their momma, grandmomma, aunties, uncles, priest, extraterrestrials, bacteria and etc will look, point and say : SEEEEEE we been saying carmelo is hurting the team, trade him. he fucked up the linsanity, he is spreading his cancer to lin. we must immunize lin by shippin anthony out of town…….

    or some bullshit like that. he’d be the ultimate scapegoat for haters-united.

  • ab40

    Austin, the sf positon is a do of all trades position. They fill in the blanks of the team. They’re not supposed to be the leading scorers. Pippen was the ultimate small forward in that regard. BTW Lin still on a great run, but when melo comes back it’s gonna be different especialy with Chandler now also wanting the ball in the ofensive sets. If they get JR Smith as well I wishh the kid good luck. He’s stronger than I thought took Amir Johnson out on the layup. Very well balanced player. But if he’d be doing this in Golden State noone would care, if he did this in Charlotte even less people would. NYC and the media tend to make things bigger than they are. (went there last year the city of NYC didn’t impress me at all!) and well he’s another example. BTW melo saying I can play with anybody should take a look at the first 20 games of the season, he can’t play with anybody. When he comes back I think they should trade amare for bosh.

  • K Dizzle

    Dear Hoops fans, can we PLEASE be smarter than football fans and stop making stupid comparisons between Tebow n Lin? Tebow is a tight end learning how to play QB at the pro level. Jeremy Lin is a decent point guard, who’s team is winning and he’s putting up all-star numbers in starts. Tebow couldn’t hit 50% passing, which is shyt for a pro qb. Lin is shooting 49% which is great for a rookie point guard. The hype is heavy right now, but the kid is backin it up.I said it once, but it needs to be said again:

    @ Austin
    Agree with what 3 Stacks said in reply to this:
    “Guys like Joakim Noah and Ben Wallace can have games where they get 14 boards, block 3-4 shots, dive all over the floor for loose balls, shut down an elite post scorer on crucial possessions, and score 4 points all night. Are we still saying they weren’t “involved” in the game? Guys like Bruce Bowen and Shane Battier can play a key defensive role for 35-40 minutes, get some steals, start some fast breaks, get a few boards but may only score 2-3 points. Are they not “involved” in the game?”

    Anybody saying these guys aren’t involved in the game are just not ball-savvy. That’s all. If a player had 14 boards, 4 blocks and 4 points and is a defensive/rebounding specialist like Noah or Big Ben, then they had their mitts all over the game.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    btw…amare’s favorite word is phenomenal..trust me. i hear him use it to describe everything in like every interview

  • iannyb

    @AB dude you got a point,but guys like Kobe can do better…when he chooses to pass the ball they’re normally highlight worthy. He just a selfish mofo that refuses to take a backseat to anybody. Bynum and Gasol should be stunting with figures…more Bynum as Pau is too soft for his own sake. Kobe shoots 20+ shots at the allstar game…who does that. All I know is had Lebron had Kobe’s ream we’re prolly punching tickets to finals perenially

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    kdizzle! omg, when i said something along the lines of not comparing tebow to lin someone called me stupid or something for analyzing them like that as if i was supposed to be some kind of drone and accept the bs comparisons. crazy, thx jay for calling that one out !! it always takes a diff voice sometimes.

    lin may be younger kids’ john starks.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    thx kdzzle for calling that one…*

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    also…i have the feeling, if today, if you guys pulled out a vast array of michael jordan boxscores you’d probably be saying what you say about kobe about jordan more times than you think. shots taken sometimes are not the greatest indicators of what you think.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    o and just to clear it up, i don’t mean stark skill-wise . just heart and hustle and how he gets the crowd’s love and how he wasn’t the guy you thought would hav a huge impact, but that lil man comes and gives it all night in night out.
    i dunno….whatever lol im just happy knicks are moving up in the standings.

  • trollne1

    I couldn’t watch the NY game so I was just tracking the play-by-play. Less than 2 mins to go, I was convinced that they were gonna lose since Amare seemed to be playing terribly, getting his shot blocked every other time. Raptors were up by like 5-6 pts with a minute to go. Then I click the refresh button and holy crap Knicks up by 3 with 0.5 seconds left. Then I check who made the shot, of course it was Lin. Simply wow. Harvard Hurricane is clutch too. Now people are packing NY road games to see him, and cheer for him too. Insane. Sorry, I meant Linsane. Is it too early to say All-NBA? Lol.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    thank God allstar voting is over… cuz the coaches will make more mistakes? lol

  • trollne1

    I’m checking NY’s schedule and during the Linning Streak, the Knicks have played the Nets, Jazz, Wiz, Lakers, Wolves and Raptors. Not exactly a hotbed of defense (Wiz, Wolves, Raps, Nets)/great PGs. Knicks got a really good chance to extend their streak to 8 games (vs. Kings tomorrow and NOH on Friday). After that, it’s gonna be Dallas, NJ, then Hawks and Heat. Can’t wait for those games. If he’s still able to put up his usual 25/8 (and hopefully less TOs), then wow. I hope DRose will just rest his back and skip the ASG and maybe Lin can get in.

    I still won’t give props to D’Antoni for unleashing Lin. I will, however, praise him for seemingly able to adjust his team and turn it into a more defensive-oriented/scrappy team. Probably figured out his SSOL offense will never work in NY. Sure the schedule is partly to blame, but maybe D’Antoni’s finally figured that Chandler, Jeffries, Shumpert, Fields and Lin are good defensive players. Plus, he decided that Douglas is trash and stopped using him so gotta give him points for that.

    Anyway, I won’t be surprised if Lin makes a game winning block or steal against Tyreke tomorrow. Yeah, I called it.

  • Black samba

    In reference to may weather and pacquio, the span-cutioner strikes again. First pau, then Rubio and Calderon. Is Marc’s goofy ass next?

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    Great game by the Raptors. Mind you, if they won I’d be calling them stupid. Calderon has been on a tear lately. You can hear the frustration in his voice during postgame interviews, but he’s kept it professional this whole time. And I, for one, am grateful for that. He’s the leader of that team. Not Derozan. Not Bargnani. Calderon is. If he gives up, then we turn into the Washington Generals… I mean, the Wizards.

    LOL@Webber for “introducing” the “new” nickname in the studio after the game: “Shao-Lin”. He needs to bookmark DIMEmag.

    Is there any question of who the league’s Most LINproved Player is??

    Re: AB’s comment.
    I don’t even know where to start. AB made like Elastic Man on that one, because I’ve never seen anyone reach so far on a comment. Without getting to deep into it, I’ll just say this…
    “Getting his team involved”, has always been an offensive expression… that’s the shortened version of “get them involved in the offense”. That saying goes hand-in-hand with “sharing the basketball”. You won’t ever see Noah diving on the floor, and grabbing rebounds, but never touch the ball on offense, then the commentator says, “Wow, D-Rose really got Noah involved in the game.” That’s an offensive expression.

    And 4M’s comment had me laughing. Sometimes I do the same thing. Lol. But I don’t have to look at the name… beiber posts like his shift button is broken. That makes it easy to differentiate the two.

  • yourdribbleizcookiez

    Jordan Crawford is my new favorite player! I thought I was the only one who does that…

  • yourdribbleizcookiez

    Jordan Crawford is my new favorite player! I thought I was the only one who does that…lmao

  • Skeeter McGee

    Tebow was drafted in the first round and a relative God of the college landscape. I honestly had not heard about Lin at Harvard and obviously the large majority of basketball fans did not either. Then you add the fact he was undrafted, had a stint in the D-League, was cut by 2 teams and was thrown in as an afterthought at starter with 2 stars already out. Tebow had the starter removed from the team and the offense changed to fit solely around him.

    If anything, Lin’s accomplishments already far outweigh that of Tebow. And make no mistake, that is NOT a knock on Tebow, but if nothing else, a huge compliment towards Lin.

  • Ian

    other than the gasol part yeah i agree with you.

    i hope they do cuz melo is a scrub and is the most overrated player since ewing. i bet denver wouldnt give back half the players they got for melo back in a trade for him.

  • http://ufl.edu Big Freeze

    Lin broke the record for most turnovers in a player’s first 5 starts. If he can cut down in the turnovers, he is a legit star.

  • http://ufl.edu Big Freeze

    Ans wasn’t Dimemag prematurely crowning the Blazers the best in the West a few weeks ago? Shame on anyone who thought or thinks that.

  • control


    Th HUGE thing a guy who is classifed as selfish will do, over a guy who specializes in scoring, is look to score for themselves over looking to score efficiently for the team. Guys who come in looking to only score are usually set up by the pg, and score with of a set play, usually in the flow of the offense. A guy like Melo will take low % shots that are not the best option for the team, which leaves the guys who are in position to make the better shot fustrated, as well as making team inefficient over a long timeline. Any player who doesnt make the play that has a high % of success, hurts the team.

    Ever play ball with a guy like Kobe, while you are in Bynum or Pau’s shoes? It is very difficult to hustle around and stay on your game after the 10th time you fight for a post up, or are just straight up open, waving your hands and jumping up and down, then you see that prick shoot a fadeaway over 2 guys (lowest % shot in basketball). You know how that makes you feel? Even if shot goes in, you still hate the guy a lil, cause you are out of position and you were just straight disrespected…As a guy who can beast 99% of pickup players, I’ve BEEN that guy, watching some cocksucker freeze me out to jack low % shots (usually asshole is wearing Kobe or AI jersey) while I’m holding my dick…After two games like that, I’m getting a new team.

  • jzsmoove

    Super Lintendo vs Jose Beast Calderon was pure joy to watch. And i do not remember the last time i was rooting for the opponent (there are a few) while playing my Craptors. and dog gone, Lin displayed the most vanity i have ever seen since Larry legend not taking off his warmups for the 3 pt contest. Lin waived off grown men, I GOT THIS.

    I do not remember the last (if any)the ACC celebrated a game winning shot by an opponent either.

    PS ATL is a worthless piece of collective shit.
    PSS Blazers curse passed it on to Oden who rubbed in on Aldridge.
    PSSS Trade melo

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    i think there’s a huge difference between being involved in a game and involving other players in a game… being involved is paying attention, doing your job, and that would certainly apply to the solid defenders who perhaps don’t even get to the stat sheet… then there’s involving other players in a game, which means your play leads your teammates performing better. while grabbing a rebound or blocking a shot certainly takes pressure off teammates, it doesn’t make them play at a higher level… directing the defense is usually not quantifiable on the stat sheet, and thus directly an offense (assist/scoring) is more prominently discussed when talking about getting others involved in the game…

    and the linsanity continues… buzzer beater is a buzzer beater, even if the defender is joe pots… but yeah, naysayers will point to the fact that lin’s ft%/to’s are not all that great, and that joe pots had quite the field day on the box score as well… but, hey… a W is a W… lin had to incorporate amare’s 35min 25 shots back into the offense right?

    by the way, dude’s not a rookie… just cuz he barely played doesn’t mean he didn’t play… or else, jermaine oneil never had his rookie year until he went to indiana…

    someone mentioned that lin hasn’t faced good defenses/pg’s… while i agree that chicago/okc/miami are better teams than the nets/wizards/wolves… lin’s played again dwill/jwall/lakers… i think it’s safe to say he’s not a gimmick and has legit talent to play in the L

    great comparison to john starks… also undrafted, also signed by the gsw first, and then went to the knicks… lin and amare the next starks and ewing? interesting…

  • That’s What’s Up

    I’ve started calling him: TAI JESUS

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    type… *against* not again…

  • That’s What’s Up

    seriously though… Detroit has fallen off hard. There were maybe 1500 people in that place last night.

    Rucker Park gets bigger turnouts than the Pistons

  • jdizzle

    *Young Jeezy voice*LIN, LIN-LIN, LIN-LIN! LIN, LIN-LIN, LIN-LIN!
    LMMFAO @ Super Lintendo!

    @Control I’m not even gonna ask why you were holding your junk during a pickup game. But hey, at least you got your hands on a ball (GET IT? BALL?)

    I’ll show myself out…

  • Knicksfan84

    Jordan Crawford is a FOOL for that valentine’s day comment… but yeah so true indeed.

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    oh and…
    who’s that mayweather fella?
    all i know is manny pacman…

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    “Tai” is spelt “Thai”… which he is not. That’s like calling an African dude Jamaican. People from Taiwan are Taiwanese… shortening it makes the statement incorrect. He’s Taiwanese, not “Tai”.

  • control

    Oh yeah, anyone notice how absolutely HORRIBLE the Suns were last night with Nash sitting the game out? Gortat shot 4-13 (55% on season), the entire team shot 33% and they didn’t score for like the first 8 minutes of the game or something. It just happened to be an off night I guess, just like every other night Nash happens to sit out. It has NOTHING to do with Nash making teammates better though, they do it on purpose just to make Nash look good…(sorry AB for bringing this up again, haha).


    With some of those guys I’ve played with, I’m lucky they even let me play with my own balls…haha.

  • Big Island

    Oh man. Apparently, because that’s all the news out here was talking about, Kobe and Vanessa are patching things up. Maybe that explains why he started 1-10 last night.

    AB – There are obviously specialist guys on every team. Rebounders, defenders, scorers, passers, towel wavers. Melo is good for getting baskets. But when he takes a 17 foot fadeaway when he is double teamed with 10 seconds left on the shot clock, he is shooting to shoot. There is a better shot to be had. His shooting that shot hurts his team. When the shot clock is winding down or whatever, that’s fine. Defensive and rebounding stats don’t hurt a team. If Chandler played lazy defense, got 2 boards and no blocks, that is hurting the team. A guy disrupting the flow of the offense to squeeze off his shot is the same as a guy not rotating on defense, or not blocking out on the boards. Apples and oranges.

  • QQ

    The Knicks are Lin’s team now.

    There’s really no point in arguing for Carmelo.

    Everyone has basically deserted him at this point.

    Why wouldn’t they?

    Isn’t he supposed to do the same things this nobody is doing right now? Like, a year ago? Electrifying the team and getting them wins? Showed glimpse, but like everything about Carmelo, you just felt duped because it’s not completely there.

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    just wondering… when was the last time knicks won 6 in a row?

  • That’s What’s Up

    Jay – so, are you african or jamaican?? (joke)

    I spelled it Tai for Taiwanese to get the point across

    not Thai, as in Thailand

    either way, Melo is gonna come back and f*ck the whole thing up. It was fun while it lasted.

  • CLAW

    Tought to say its hype when Lin is putting up numbers that haven’t been seen in nearly 40 years for a rookie. Lebron already had a “Chosen One” spread BEFORE his first game.

    Turnovers are high but they are because they are trying to push tempo and he’s passing the ball, they aren’t from dribbling too much. Same shit Nash went through when running that same system, got the MVPs but people harped on his T/Os. Push the ball, take chances, take advantage of the other team being out of position.

    Kid looks to be solid, but this extra playing time at this level will start leaving a toll on him, while Melo we will see if he really is a team player when he comes back.

    Knicks fans- Would you do that deal again? Would the Knicks be better off with Wilson Chandler and Gallinari stroking the outside J than Melo?

  • QQ

    And isn’t it poetic justice that this is all happening in NY? Home of the most rabid fans in the L?

    Douchebags, assholes, etc.. Yes, but can’t argue bout their passion.

    When Melo comes back and messes the whole system… Two games in, the fan will sense it and will SURELY drive Melo out of the team. FOR SURE.

    If this is any other team, Melo could jack all he wants without repercussions.

    But this is NY. They might be real bastards out there, but if you mess their team, especially now that they’re fucking golden, it’s bye bye.

    Quote me on this.

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    It don’t matter… BRUCE will diss me whether I’m African or Jamaican.

    I’m praying that Lin and Melo can play together. I really want to use that Melo-Yelo nickname for their tandem. It’s racist… I realize that… but it’s funny as shit. I busted that one on my asian homies over the weekend. It had them ROLLING in laughter.

    ** I just googled the lyrics to “Mellow Yellow”…. wtf? That dude must have been on crack.

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    @QQ: “When Melo comes back and messes the whole system… Two games in, the fan will sense it and will SURELY drive Melo out of the team. FOR SURE.”

    Personally, I’d say “IF”, not “When”… but you’re right. If Melo doesn’t mesh with this kid, the fans will blacklist his ass. This whole situation couldn’t have happened in any other city other than NY. If Karma truly is a bitch, she’s going to shit on Carmelo Anthony.

  • That’s What’s Up

    Bruce hates himself, he just projects it on others.

    Melo-Yelo is good. I like that. I can’t understand why Melo just can’t work the ball around, cut, set screens. Maybe because it’s hard work, I don’t know.

  • Sporty-j

    Funk “MASTER” J long lost descendant, Sport “MASTER” J is in the mother phucking building today folks. That shot by Lin-DICK-ulous! As soon as Lin hit that shot, I just could not resist. I started running around my house screaming GOOAAALLLL. GOOAAALLL! Than I got to reminiscing about about how good the Knicks really might be once B-Didst gets back to run the second unit and what might be if they get J.R. Smith. And I started to get all excited and sh!t because it looks like there might be more competition out east for my Heat since Boston is slowly fading and Orlando won’t be sh!t pretty soon once Howard goes wherever(Net fans are praying). That’s what the phuck I’m talking about NEW YORK. Lin is about to blow up and become the TEBOW of the NBA. A phucking ASIAN has stole Melo and lalas spot light. If Melo was a real man he would give that starting position in the all-star game to Bosh who earned it out East. If not Jeremy Lin since it is taking him forever to come back from a freak “groin injury”???

    P.S.-If anybody in the NEW YORK area know Landry Fields. Tell him that Sporty-j wants to buy his couch so that I can have I may have some Lin-luck and don’t you phuckers Ever, and I mean Ever. Ever Ever Ever Ever think that you could beat the MIAMI HEAT. 305 bit@%3$! And if anybody got a problem with it…

    Come Holla at SPORTY-J and CHRIS BOSH…

  • QQ

    I could use ‘IF’ but of all the waiting on Melo finally bringing it together, there’s really no use on betting on this guy.

    Remember the trade last year, and some fools here are saying the Knicks are gonna be 4th in the East?

    Remember the start of the season and people are saying the Knicks are contenders because Melo has finally learned the system?

    And now, those same fools are saying he will be able to co-exist with Lin and finally play the other aspects of basketball?

    It’s just probability. You don’t bet for the guy who keeps letting you down. You bet AGAINST him. Simple probability.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    haters galore. easy to hate a man when he is on the sideline hurt.

    melo is the best player on the knicks. i welcome him back with open arms. funny, how ppl criticize one thing about his game. bet all your favorite players wish they had melo’s talents. he is a beast. lin can;t wait for his arrival. the coach can’t wait. amare can’t wait. i can’t wait. i have not deserted him because i am not blinded by hate. it’s like most of you guys come here to start bs convos about ball hogs bcuz you are wish your teams had another player on melo’s elite status. can’t wait for him to get back, but i hope he comes back healthy.

    and i love how ppl are looking at it like “melo is gonna fuck things up” um, no team has gone 82-0 (in this case 66-0) of course the knicks will lose a game down the raod when melo is in the lineup. it’s called basketball and sometimes good teams lose. fucking shit up does not entail a loss, it just means the other team beat you. melo knows how to play with good point guards. no one was talking about melo fucking shit up during the olympics.

  • silky

    @ chicagor

    really agree with the Nash in Dallas comparisons. lots of turnovers, bad d and some wild attempts but was feeling the pro game. took a historicly sorry team to wins, became team leader, adjusted to finishing in the trees and pick an rolling teams to death(even tho the p&r wasnt very effective last night)

  • Sporty-j

    Oh I almost forgot. I know Floyd Mayweather Jr has a big mouth and does not look good in the public eye right now. But he still would tap Pace Man’s a$$. With 1 hand tied behind his back. Let’s not get it twisted here folks… Anywaz carry on folks! I’m just here to keep order in the court room.

  • UncheckedAggression

    So delusional.

    1. Easy to hate a guy when he’s hurt? Actually, in Melo’s case, it’s far easier to hate on him when he’s playing. We’ve explained so many times why, so I’m not going to go back over it.

    2. So many things you just said were completely irrelevant. Of course a lot of players wish they had Melo’s talents. That’s never been the problem. He’s crazy talented. But he’s never been the kind of player that knew how to make a positive impact on his team. There is plenty of qualitative AND quantitative evidence to back it up.

    3. It sounds like you are now trying to say that the Knicks actually are good. For a couple months you had been trying to convince everyone here that the Knicks are terrible, and that their record was a reflection of how bad Melo and Amare’s teammates are. Now you’re saying they were a good team while losing?! “It’s called basketball and sometimes good teams lose”

    I just wanted to point out how ridiculous that post was, and really, how almost all of your posts are. I’m not gonna keep arguing this because it’s never worth it. Just felt like pointing these things out.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    here’s what i said about the lin-tebow comparison on feb 9th, and the response i got.

    me: I don’t like da lin – tebow comparisons. Tebow was rediculed for his poor qb skills and overcame them by using the skills he had to equal winning. Lin has good pg skills and was just a 12th man, who was cut twice but who still possessed good pg skills nonetheless…there’s the difference. Both got their chance, but tebow was doubted due to his poor throwing. Lin was doubted not cuz of the skills, but because coaches didn’t think whatever skills he had were good enough. Tebow no skill, lin skilled. But I was rooting for tebow every week cuz guys pummeled him with hate. I know a thing or two about hate from this website and how unfair it gets at times.

    enfuego: About the Tebow and Lin comparisons.

    Both grew up in devout Christian families. All about religious upbringing and background. Plain and simple. No need for ignorant over-analysis.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    i see that character still hasn’t “checked his aggression”

    me saying the knicks are bad?

    you mean when i said amare hasn’t been playing well so it isn’t fair to judge them?

    or me saying you guys condemning the amare-melo tandem as if they had a full team was fair?

    or me saying the knicks will still make the playoffs?

    or me saying i bet when the knicks go on a winning streak all you haters will pretend like you never said any of those crazy things?

    if by me claiming it wasn’t fair for you guys to conclude the knicks signing of melo and amare was too early cuz they didn’t have a full roster, was saying they are terible, you need to scan your brain if you have one.

    y can’t you just ignore me, watch your cartoons, drink your caprisun and fuck off?

  • Ian

    hahahaha super lintendo love it

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    Unchecked… beiber has never said the Knicks are bad. Even after they played like shit, beiber’s undying support for that team never dwindled. Even after losing to the sorry Toronto Laughtors he was the first to stand up on the Knicks behalf. He’s a hopeless romantic when it comes to his teams.

    It’s so fuckin annoying. Lol

  • Ian

    clay they would be 50 times better without the trade

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    that heat team is certainly very darn good, but…

    until the current heats actually wins a championship, i don’t think anyone is actually worried any more than another top tier team…

    personally i hope lin doesn’t get added to that crappy exhibition known as the rookie/sophmore games… does nothing for your nba career… save your legs and hit the 2nd half of the season strong… ASG is one thing, rook/soph is a joke…

    i wonder if melo is looking at the schedule to determine when he’s coming back… i bet he’s looking for games vs charlotte, new orleans, wizards, etc… to make sure he gets some Ws, or else it’s just a matter of time before the MSG crowd boo him during starting lineups…

  • Ian

    im sorry but melo sucks super talented but he fucks teams up. he has won a total of 2 playoff series in what 8 seasons??

    hes the winner of the double ewing theory denver is better without him and the knicks were better before and now after him. this is not a fluke hes overrated.

    players like joe johnson , melo and yeah ill say it cuz i havent hated on him for a while kobe (if he had to play for a team that hasnt been super stacked when they win) fuck shit up.

  • CLAW

    Stop the Tebow – Super Lintendo comparisons, not even close on skill but maybe on getting teamates to believe.

    Tebow can’t throw a decent ball. Yes he beat the Steelers, on throws that should have been knocked down or intercepted. His throws looked like punts! The receiver near the EZ dropped the ball because he was thrown off because it was an actual spiral!

    Lin has got skill, its not luck or having a great D that puts him in that position its his own ability and how it rubs off on the other guys (which is like Tebow) where guys are more willing to pass it around and get everybody involved. They do both get the teams to rally around them and are more confident.

  • UncheckedAggression

    Jay–Check again. Yeah, Beib supported the team. But he put all the blame for losing on the supporting players not being good enough to make the team competitive. All that talk about how incomplete they are. At first he did said they were good and would bounce back, but when that was looking extremely unlikely, he responded by bringing up the problems with the role players. You know, because it could never be Melo’s fault.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    jay…i culd kiss you for that post. “hopeless knick romantic” is a little overboard though haha but i’ll take it.

    in regards to your tebow-lin comment, take a look at post 70…happy there are more guys like you putting that shit to rest.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    didn’t i tell you to drink your caprisun and fuck off ? why is my name still in your mouth? stop caring about what i say if you’re always going to be aggressive. your name fits you perfectly.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    i thank the nba lockout for the knicks having lin.

    i bet had there been all these camps and summer leagues, coaches would have a much clearer picture of who they were dealing with.

    with such little time to make moves and decisions, some guys had shorter strings than others.

  • Big Bosh Man

    Is there a bigger loser on this site than Sporty J?
    This fool is losing his mind in mid february about a team nobody cares about till they choke in the finals again
    Dear Sporty Spice, any chance you could just disappear til the summer
    The DimeFam

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    wonder how the person who called me out for being ignorant by over analyzing the tebow-lin comparison feels now as i watch sportscenter analysts say what i said about it one week ago, say pretty much the exact same things today.

    that’s just a case of judging the name instead of the content. i can say something that makes the most sense, but as soon as the person reads the name first, the go into my comment reading it thru hater-lens and then madness ensues.

    like i said, happy guys now are putting the bs comparison to rest, because honestly, it is an indictment of lin’s skills when saying there is an on field/on court comparison between the two.

  • Three Stacks

    I’ve been looking for somewhere to place a futures prop bet on Jeremy Lin making the 2013 All-Star team, but I can’t seem to find anything yet. I figured the odds might be pretty good right now, and if China votes I think it’s a pretty good bet.

    That got me wondering what the proper odds on a bet like that would be. At least +800 or so, right? I was hoping for something like +1300 though, I would jump on a bet like that.

    Obviously there’s a lot of sports fans here, and usually sports fans like gambling…what do you guys think would be a proper line for this bet? And if anyone knows where I can place a bet like that, would like some feedback thanks.

  • Three Stacks

    How do you expect people NOT to make the Tebow-Lin comparison?

    -Both started seasons without any playing time, only to lead their teams to dramatic win streaks once they started playing.

    -Both had their skill sets questioned coming into their leagues, whether they could adapt to the pro game.

    -Both captivated the nation and took over sports headlines, especially grabbing the attention of casual fans.

    -Both have been extremely effective late in games and led their teams to some dramatic victories.

    Are they the same person? Of course not. But with sports media running 24/7 and always needing something to talk about, the comparisons were gonna be inevitable. Even the talk now of how they AREN’T similar is just part of the progression; they want to milk more content out of two recognizable names.

    The things that come on ESPN have nothing to do with who’s right or wrong, they just always need new sh*t to talk about. When something you “predicted” comes out on ESPN, it doesn’t mean anyone was right, it just mean they ran out of other topics and need to argue the opposite of whateverthefuck they were talking about earlier in the day.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    i am speakin more so on the fact that i was called ignorant even when i said somthin that made sense. regardless of whether one thinks it was right or wrong.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    like…there are coherent ppl on SportsC saying the exact same thing. whether or not you accept what they are saying, those pl are obviously not coocoo, or nuts, so you must at the very least respect their premise…i was called ignorant not becuz of what i said, but because i was the one that said it.

  • Ian

    three stacks
    whos gonna take that bet?? if super lintendo is on the ballot hes starting.

  • Three Stacks

    @ beiber

    I have no problem calling some pundits on Sportscenter ignorant, and no way does anyone have to respect their opinion just because they are on TV. Just like no one has to respect your opinion because a non-kookoo, non-nuts sports personality said something similar on said TV.

    That said, I do think you are ignorant for being so adamant about the non-relatedness of the two when there are obvious parallels that media can use to create a story. BUT I also agree that you are right about how people are prematurely dismissing your opinion simply because of certain things you’ve said, done, and repeated. That’s on you though.

    @ Ian

    Yeah I agree, but it’s still relatively new on the scene so now would be the time to grab the best odds. There’s no such thing as a 100% lock, and it’s not like China made Yi Jianlian or Wang Zhizhi perennial all-stars.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    the are talks about adding lin to the rookie-sophomore game pool.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    first off, i am not saying i am right, i am not saying who is wrong.

    2nd..i was just expressing that what i said should not have been taken as right, rather, that it was not spawned from ignorance because there are other people who can share the same experience who are not ignorant because their business is sports.

    now, 3rd, for you to say it’s on me for ppl to prejudge my comments because of what i’ve done in the past is really saying more about you (not you specifically). it just shows a very closed minded perception, it also shows complete biasness.

    even kobe is able to offer compliments of rival stars.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    i wonder if derrick rose’s injury is lockout related due to the high number of bunched up games. he is really hurting my fantasy team, the first year i take him i’m paying for it. i shoulda went with klove !! no, i like rose’s talents and figured he’d elevate his game, i have no regrets. just get well soon dr1

  • http://coolone woohoo

    Amare and Lin screen and roll @ the top of the key. As they execute, Chandler trails them into the paint. Melo moves into a wing spot, ready to receive the pass (if it comes) and shoot or slash. Novak stands on the 3 pt line, catch-and-shoot ready.

    How can the Knicks lose??

  • JBaller

    Just getting back from work, so I didn’t have time to post again since last night.

    My Tebow comparison was just a lighthearted jab at the hype machine. It’s true that they have little in common other than America’s immediate obsession with him because of the quick turnaround their teams made. It’s easy to illustrate the differences in the two. Hopefully Lin won’t start posing after every bucket he makes.

  • the cynic

    Lin has skill. Tebow has some sort of lucky horseshoe or voodoo doll that makes the opponent do something retarded like a 9 man front

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    how does the nba leave off ray allen from the 3pt contest ? first the all star game screwups and now this?

  • http://www.bettlejuiceXs3.com Chicagorilla

    You know what’s awesome about Jeremy Lin? That all the other NBA players are excited for him (unless they are playing him that night). I keep reading tweets, and quotes from players all around the NBA talking about Jeremy Lin.

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    uh… wow…
    really can’t expect the league mvp to do better fantasy wise the next season… gotta use that as the cap… and seriously? klove who had more 30-20 games than anyone active in the L?

    i really hope lin rests all star weekend… there’s absolutely no point in wasting energy on the rook/soph game… usually it’s just full of kids who are either on horrible teams but get good stats or kids with potential but barely gets any pt on a good team… lin has starter minutes on a team looking to make a run in the playoffs… rest… don’t risk injury… start in next year’s all star game…

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    start? over rose? will there really be a massive lin cult following by next season?

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    i think as long as he averages 15/8 next season, he’ll get all of the yao votes plus the domestic asian american votes… but really, it would be up to nike to fight adidas on this one :P

  • UncheckedAggression

    I don’t think Lin will have a chance at starting next year unless he sustains really good numbers. 15/8 probably won’t do it, though I don’t even think that will happen. Remember, the pendulum is gonna swing the other way eventually and there will be backlash because of overhyping the kid. Lots of people that are loving the story will stop short of voting for Lin over Rose.

    I’ve always thought he’d be a really good backup guard in the NBA and that’s what I still believe. If he becomes a long-term starter, he won’t be one of the better ones.

  • JBaller

    I heard Ron Artest went nuts in the players lounge when Lin hit the game winner. He already suffered from insanity before there was Linsanity!

  • Big Island

    Lin would absolutely get voted in as an all-star. It’s a popularity contest and nobody in the league is more popular than Lin right now.

    QQ – I am giving you all of my money to make your Melo bet. Knicks fans love the guy underdog guy, John Starks, and they are all in on Lin. Melo is an unbelievable basketball talent but a terrible guy to have on your team. The first game he comes back, they lose. Book it.

  • Skeeter McGee

    @ beiber

    Read my post (around #40) regarding my feelings on the Lin-Tebow debate, I think we share the same stance on this issue.

    Both were great and inspirational though, so I don’t want to take away from what Tebow did and what Lin is doing.

  • Ian

    beiber yes over rose or wade. if we put yao on the ballot the man gets in right now. 15 and 8 would do it next season.
    i think the league had to take yi of the ballot a couple of seasons ago so the dude didnt get voted in.

  • Three Stacks

    I don’t know why people are so certain Carmelo won’t be able to play with J. Lin. Melo played in a pretty quick, high scoring offense in Denver for several years, and sure he ran a lot of isos and dominated certain possessions, but I can’t recall his getting so much flak for stalling an offense before.

    I don’t know how similar it is to the current Knicks offense, but it doesn’t seem likely he’ll come back and automatically destroy all the chemistry. And I hope he’s secure enough that he doesn’t need to “prove” himself by getting numbers. Kobe would absolutely do that, though hahaha.

    Imagine if Kobe was in Carmelo’s shoes and coming back to a team that got hijacked from him. That would be the most epic freeze out, wow. (On a side note, I would love to #TradeKobe. Laker fans, who else is with me.) He’d probably gun for 50. Watching Kobe play these days is like watching someone in perpetual heat-check mode even though he’s ice cold. Hopefully Carmelo isn’t gonna be like that.

  • QQ

    ‘Hopefully, Carmelo isn’t gonna be like that’.

    Like I said, simple probability.

    When the odds are swaying towards ‘YES, HE WILL BE LIKE THAT, THAT FUCKING HERO BALL GAME THAT STALLS HIS TEAM’, you just really can’t say ‘hopefully, he won’t’.

    That’s like saying ‘hopefully Floyd Mayweather won’t make an insensitive remark’.

    The odds are so against it, you’ll be a fool to even believe it would go the other way.

  • http://www.bettlejuiceXs3.com Chicagorilla

    You guys do know that Rose beat DWade in votes this year rather easily. So Lin wouldn’t be starting over Rose, he’d be starting over Wade.

    But i doubt the NBA would let that happen

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz